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Hi,
Recently I bought the XDA2 backpack. After looking through the manual, there wasn't any instruction on charing the backpack battery. Anyway, I attched to the XDA2 and charged through the cradle, but the backpack battery wouldn't get charged. Any idea what's going on.
Thankz
vitoon said:
Recently I bought the XDA2 backpack. After looking through the manual, there wasn't any instruction on charing the backpack battery. Anyway, I attched to the XDA2 and charged through the cradle, but the backpack battery wouldn't get charged. Any idea what's going on.
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Did you plug in the power adapter to the cradle? Charging via USB power alone is probably not enough to charge both the XDA II battery and the Backpack battery.
Backpack problems
I got my backpack on Friday 24/3/4, had no problems charging with either USB, or AC Adaptor. What I did have problems with though, was that when I ran the backpack flat (and used my phone battery for the rest of the day), I found that the phone no longer recognised the backpack. NOTHING I could do, would charge the backpack battery, and the phone wouldn't even see it. I even tried charging without the normal battery, and only the backpack. (DON'T DO THIS, I LOST ALL DATA).
I ended up replacing it from my place of purchase. (I'm fortunate to still be in the DOA period)
Charging my XDAII & Backpack via USB, works fine
rahjinoh - Have you let your backpack run completely dry yet? Like, until even your phone battery drop to 25%? Perhaps mine was faulty...
Hi Kev_in_oz,
I had the same problem as you did. The backpack was working fine the first 5 days I had it. On the 6th day, my unit couldn't recognize it, no matter what I do. Had to have my backpack replaced as well. I'm glad it's still under warranty.
The question is, is it just a faulty hardware, or something is wrong with its design - I hope not!
How is your replacement backpack so far?
It's Ok at the moment, but mine only had the problem when I dropped it down to Zero. I called the XDA Help-line (after replacing my battery), but they said that I'm supposed to drain it to zero (they actually said "Charge it for 8 hours, then let both the phone and backpack drain to Zero, then charge it for 8 hours again, and backup often, as you will lose all your data when everything's at Zero").
I'm sacred to do it now, as my shop is out of stock, and if this one dies, I'll be stranded without my compact flash slot. I had to wait 3 months before they got the first unit into Australia, and I'm terrified it will take just as long to re-stock.
Personally I believe it's Faulty Hardware design, ie the Backpack can't be "seen" when it's on zero charge, thus isn't charged...?
Well, When I got my original backpack, it was drained (0%) when I checked it. XDA was able to recognize it.
I'm afraid that it might be something else...I hope that it wont happen again as I have the same situation as you have, no more stock from where I purchased mine. I had to wait about 3 months as well to get my unit...
Here are some of the things I did on the day my XDA lost sight of the backpack:
1. I went to a computer store and was curious with an EagleTec CF Wifi card which I inserted in the backpack. It wasnt plug and play, tried to install the driver but an error occured. On my way back, I noticed backpack couldnt be detected. After several attempts (soft reset, dettached/attach backpack, the unit detected it again).
2. On the way home, I used a brando sync charger with a car adapter...Backpack was fully chargred when I got home. After a while, my unit couldn't see the backpack again, this time it was permanent. The next day, I was able to replace my backpack....
Now I don;t know what really caused the problem...I really hope that it doesn't happen again!!!
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Kev_in_oz said:
I got my backpack on Friday 24/3/4
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Kev, where did you buy it? Retailer? OW?... I try to get one for a while but haven't been lucky so gar...
Regarding you battery problem: I think it could be either a faulty device or the current software doesn't work properly (don't forget that you got your XDA before they even releazed the back pack - they should have a fix for it with the next ROM upgrade)
Besides: is the battery inside the pack user replaceable?
I'm extremly happy with my BackPack, combined with a Dell CF WiFi card it adds a lot more versatility to the XDA II. I LOVE the presentation software, works a treat, particularly like the feature of being able to display the speaker notes on your XDA II but only the slides are projected. Very handy.
I have not run the battery to zero but I would have liked a way to charge the BackPack separate from the XDA II
When I got my backpack it was already left 25%, I just couldn't charge it using both USB and the adapter. I think I got a faulty device. Need to exchange for a new one. Thankz
My Back pack has died AGAIN!!! I'm doing the 8 hour charge (roughly once every 3 days, when my main battery drop to about 20%). Now my phone no longer recognises the backpack. My wifes phone (she got one on the 2nd April) also does not recognise the backpack now, so it's not a handset problem.
Does anyone else have this problem?!?
Doh!
I received my back-pack just today...
...and I'm reading these post just now.
However, it seems my back-pack is only not able to charge its battery.
Because I bought it far far far from here I think not to ship back and change it.
My question: You having problems with back-pack battery charging, did you find something wrong using the CF slot?!?
And...is it still working or You left it on the shelf?!?
Thank You in advance!
Giuseppe
I've had an o2 mini s for about a week now and i'm pleased with it on the whole. My only real concern is battery life. My mini seems to drain much quicker than by xda 2 s which I had before. I seem to drop about 10% in 1 hour 10 mins and that's just a few calls/txts and minimum fiddling.
8:20 100%
9:42 88%
I've dropped all the o2 software and don't have any tricky 3rd party apps installed only;
xbar3 ( great btw )
avantgo wireless
ebook reader
tcpmp
I've read quite a few posts about battery life being good on this phone but i'm not seeing it. I'm still in my 14 day cooling off period and i'm considering sending it back for a replacement.
Jeff
Is Wifi off, bluetooth off. Do you check your email every ... minutes over GPRS?...
With email checking every 10 minutes my qtek battery last at least 2 whole days.
wifi/gprs/bluetooth all off - not used today
Just phone today - maybe 12 calls.
Time now 14:21 battery at 61% !
Now i'm worried ......I reckon i'll be down to 30% by this evening.
16:32 - 49%
maybe there are problems with these batteries i had problems with charging the battery it didnt seem to show correct level, sent it back for another unit
17:26 - 38%.
If another goes we'll be up here all day.
My battery life seems to be utter rubbish every time I charge my MDA Vario over the USB link. I can go to bed with 100% battery and find it dead by morning. This has happened two or three times since I bought it on 5th November. Last Saturday morning I had the USB cable connected to download some music to my SD card with 100% charge at 10:00. I played music for about an hour through the supplied headphones and by 13:00 I was down to 50% battery. By that evening I was down to a few %. I've read reviews that you you should squeeze about 10 hours of continuous music from this thing on one full charge so an hour of music and 7 hours of standby/sleep seems pathetic.
If I charge using the mains charger and sync over Bluetooth I get a standby battery life of about 5 days. Obviously that is shortened with use so in practice I am charging it every 2-3 days (no point starting a day with only 20% left!).
I have no idea why USB charging is completely hopeless. I have tried soft resetting or closing all active apps after charging, to make sure ActiveSync isn't actively running and causing a drain (just as you are advised to with a Bluetooth sync) but that seems to make no difference. USB charging is rubbish. Mains charging is the only way to go, IME.
21.50 - 24 %
Charging over USB hopeless
tdodd said:
I have no idea why USB charging is completely hopeless. I have tried soft resetting or closing all active apps after charging, to make sure ActiveSync isn't actively running and causing a drain (just as you are advised to with a Bluetooth sync) but that seems to make no difference. USB charging is rubbish. Mains charging is the only way to go, IME.
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I confirm USB charging IS rubbish. The reason seems to be that the power available out of that conector on a PC is not enough to charge properly... I had the same issue with BA and Himalaya...
Answer: get a USB charger / car charger that can deliver 1A minimum.
BTW I found a craddle for the Wizard in Dubai @ Plugins. It comes with USB port/cable + power adapter. Works like a charme.
Cheers,
Hal.
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My battery life seems to be utter rubbish every time I charge my MDA Vario over the USB link. I can go to bed with 100% battery and find it dead by morning. This has happened two or three times since I bought it on 5th November. Last Saturday morning I had the USB cable connected to download some music to my SD card with 100% charge at 10:00. I played music for about an hour through the supplied headphones and by 13:00 I was down to 50% battery. By that evening I was down to a few %.
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My C500 Did that when I had it Plugged in the Front USB ports on my case, I normaly had it plugged in to the onboard USB at the back of my pc with a usb ext cable so I could have it on my desk but I went off to a lan party and when I plugged everything back in I put my USB cable to front usb port and found it was Discharging my Battery instead of charging it, got my usb in Back port all is fine again now
Maybe you have yours in to the front USB port or non onboard port?
I use a laptop, which only has two USB 1.1 ports but they each supply enough juice to power a USB ADSL modem (not that I'm using one of those these days), which is more than some PCs will manage and also my USB hard drive, which my Shuttle won't. So there is no lack of power from the USB ports on the laptop.
Of course, the USB spec only permits a maximum current demand of 500mA so any equpiment expecting more should not be using USB for its power supply. In any event, the phone does charge from the USB ports, albeit very slowly, but eventually the orange charge light does go green. So my situation is not one of discharging instead of charging.
I've just swapped my ROM from Vario to k-jam so I'll see if that makes any difference to the performance. I know it's given me 802.11g, which was missing before.
I had an M500 briefly (Magician) on Orange that had very poor battery life, it was one of the reasons I ebayed it, gave the contract sim to my wife and started a cheaper better value T-Mobile account with an MDA Compact, which
had better battery life. Typically overnight after a full charge the Orange unit went down to 75% and the T-Mobile one was at about 98% on standby.
My Vario I have now, my other T-Mobile account has very good battery life and charges very well off USB. If I sync it in the morning whilst reading my emails and stuff, let it charge USb for about 25 mins, it'll be full and by the night it will have dropped down to about 80%. This is with about 30 mins of calls, about seven or eight emails sent/received and maybe 15 mins with WIFI on.
tdodd said:
I use a laptop, which only has two USB 1.1 ports but they each supply enough juice to power a USB ADSL modem (not that I'm using one of those these days), which is more than some PCs will manage and also my USB hard drive, which my Shuttle won't. So there is no lack of power from the USB ports on the laptop.
Of course, the USB spec only permits a maximum current demand of 500mA so any equpiment expecting more should not be using USB for its power supply. In any event, the phone does charge from the USB ports, albeit very slowly, but eventually the orange charge light does go green. So my situation is not one of discharging instead of charging.
I've just swapped my ROM from Vario to k-jam so I'll see if that makes any difference to the performance. I know it's given me 802.11g, which was missing before.
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do you have a link to the imate rom? is the vario rom also available?
sundip said:
do you have a link to the imate rom? is the vario rom also available?
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I can't remember for sure where I got the k-jam ROM ( I think someone saved a copy somewhere) but try here - ftp://ftp.clubimate.com/ - and then save file K-JAM_WWE_1010903_106_10110_ship.exe
That is a self installing upgrade that includes the whole k-jam ROM and k-jam extended ROM files.
I don't know where to get a Vario ROM from. I did back up my own copy (I hope) but the method is a bit whacky and as I only have a 1GB mini-SD card my ROM backup image is 1GB because the only way to secure the image is to dump the whole card to a file.
Before you go playing around do make sure you have your own backup of the ROM or if not the whole thing then the Vario extended ROM files at least. I'm using the k-jam ROM with the Vario Extended ROM.
Re: Charging over USB hopeless
hal said:
I confirm USB charging IS rubbish. The reason seems to be that the power available out of that conector on a PC is not enough to charge properly... I had the same issue with BA and Himalaya...
Answer: get a USB charger / car charger that can deliver 1A minimum.
BTW I found a craddle for the Wizard in Dubai @ Plugins. It comes with USB port/cable + power adapter. Works like a charme.
Cheers,
Hal.
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Hi,
Is there any way to disable USB charging? I didn't connect USB very often since it will charge automatically and I don't like the battery be charged very often. It might kill battery soon. I like to sync with bluetooth; however it is much slower than USB. It's amazing if there is any tool to disable USB charging. Because it will sync fast and will not hurt the battery. Thanks for the suggestions in advance.
Cheers!
Michael
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Michael Lin said:
Is there any way to disable USB charging? I didn't connect USB very often since it will charge automatically and I don't like the battery be charged very often. It might kill battery soon. I like to sync with bluetooth; however it is much slower than USB. It's amazing if there is any tool to disable USB charging. Because it will sync fast and will not hurt the battery.
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You are thinking of older batteries such as Nicads. Topping up often does not hurt Lithium batteries, in fact it's better for them. Their main enemies are deep discharge and heat - and that's exactly what you're subjecting it to by letting it run flat, then charging for hours to get it back to max.
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Ineedtoys said:
You are thinking of older batteries such as Nicads. Topping up often does not hurt Lithium batteries, in fact it's better for them. Their main enemies are deep discharge and heat - and that's exactly what you're subjecting it to by letting it run flat, then charging for hours to get it back to max.
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Dear Ineedtoys,
Thanks for the reply. I understand that there is no so called "memory effect" on Lithium battery; however when I checked the battery spec, I always found that there is a "charging cycle limitation". For example, a specific battery claimed that it can be rechaged 10,000 times, then very USB charging will be counted also. It will reach 10,000 times faster. This is my concern. I don't know if this is right or wrong. Can somebody help to clarify this?
B. Rgds.,
Michael
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Ineedtoys said:
You are thinking of older batteries such as Nicads. Topping up often does not hurt Lithium batteries, in fact it's better for them. Their main enemies are deep discharge and heat - and that's exactly what you're subjecting it to by letting it run flat, then charging for hours to get it back to max.
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Dear Ineedtoys,
Thanks for the reply. I understand that there is no so called "memory effect" on Lithium battery; however when I checked the battery spec, I always found that there is a "charging cycle limitation". For example, a specific battery claimed that it can be rechaged 10,000 times, then very USB charging will be counted also. It will reach 10,000 times faster. This is my concern. I don't know if this is right or wrong. Can somebody help to clarify this?
B. Rgds.,
Michael
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Michael Lin said:
Ineedtoys said:
You are thinking of older batteries such as Nicads. Topping up often does not hurt Lithium batteries, in fact it's better for them. Their main enemies are deep discharge and heat - and that's exactly what you're subjecting it to by letting it run flat, then charging for hours to get it back to max.
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Dear Ineedtoys,
Thanks for the reply. I understand that there is no so called "memory effect" on Lithium battery; however when I checked the battery spec, I always found that there is a "charging cycle limitation". For example, a specific battery claimed that it can be rechaged 10,000 times, then very USB charging will be counted also. It will reach 10,000 times faster. This is my concern. I don't know if this is right or wrong. Can somebody help to clarify this?
B. Rgds.,
Michael
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That's true. It's the same with Notebooks. The more you charge it, while it's in use, the faster the battery gets "killed"!
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Michael Lin said:
Hi,
Is there any way to disable USB charging? I didn't connect USB very often since it will charge automatically and I don't like the battery be charged very often. It might kill battery soon. I like to sync with bluetooth; however it is much slower than USB. It's amazing if there is any tool to disable USB charging. Because it will sync fast and will not hurt the battery. Thanks for the suggestions in advance.
Cheers!
Michael
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Answer my own question.
I am quite sure that the USB charging can be disabled since I used to see the config on a HP device. I also believed that this can be done by 'registry' since it is Windows tradition. I finally found it after a short study. Please go to
HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\usbfndrv
and change the
EnableUsbCharging to '0'
then
soft reset => Bingo.
Hope it helps.
Michael
Just got my new extended battery yesterday, and so far it works ok.
But now I need a new carholder of course, because the old Brodit mount wont take my Uni anymore now that it has become thicker....
Anyone found a solution to this, I prefer to have it in laptop mode in the car, I use TomTom a lot!
/HM
The Exec I have with expanded battery still fits in the Brodit holder, OK so its not quite as easy to get in the holder, but it's fine once located - Mike
Mine doesn't at least I don't think it does, I haven't tried to actually force it in though, did not want to ruin the holder, can you tell me how much your Uni has gained in thickness with your extended battery?
Mine has grown almost 6 millimeters, but if yours is the same increase, I will definitely try and force it in after all.
Cheers
/HM
Oh, I forgot to ask, can you still use the socket for the charger?
At least 6MM the battery is a LI-PO cell 3150mAh device (part number PU16A), it is a tight fit in the Brodit mount but it will go in, and yes I can still use the charger cable - Mike
is the extended batter alot better ?
as i'me getting an Xda Exec this week
I use the extended battery when away from home with the device, the main reason is Internet access, the battery gets hammered when connected via 3G so the extra weight and capacity is worth it for me, not for everyone though - the Exec is a lump to start with add the extended battery pack and forget the shirt pocket to carry it in! - Mike
hi,
well i managed to snap my charging port inside my hd2 and well, i get nothing when my charger/usb plugged in... im wondering about directly charging the battery whilst being able to use the phone at the same time... ie having the charger contacts on the phone and battery at the same time... wondering if this is possible as i dont want to damage the battery/device...
also what would i need to hook to each contact? i know positive n negative poles but is what the middle contact??
any help with this would b much aprieciated... thanks
luke
p.s i couldnt see anything that would help me in the other forums i looked at
Yuor best bet is to buy a 2nd battery and a battery charger from ebay then use 1 battery whilst the other charges.
Its not to expensive to repair, if thats the only fault
i see ur from england too so do u know any cheap places that can repair this fault? links if possible... thanks
any joy? I found the following two websites but am now weighing up my options.
htcphonerepairs.co.uk/HTC-HD-2/Charger-Port-HD2.html
simtekworld.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=529
I have a similar problem. Don't know how or why but for some reason it suddenly stopped charging on Friday night. £50 to get it fixed is a bit excessive.
I wonder if a battery charger might be a better option?
EDIT: the answer to my own question (so far, at least) is "YES". Bought a cheap charger and battery off ebay and both are working well (touch wood). It's a pain in the butt having to change battery and not being able to charge it in my car but it's also quite useful having 2 batteries.
Im having the problem that i cant recharge battery with a usb cable conected on a computer ...
It starts today, I'm hating this ****, coz i use the 3g of the cell on the computer. And the battery drops even conected with a usb cable.
Wat I need to do help me pls.
WandersonGD said:
Im having the problem that i cant recharge battery with a usb cable conected on a computer ...
It starts today, I'm hating this ****, coz i use the 3g of the cell on the computer. And the battery drops even conected with a usb cable.
Wat I need to do help me pls.
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have you tried a different usb cable and ports
or tried turning usb debugging on
Bro, i tested all ports, all cables... I cant find usb debug on stock rom... I even uninstall the app that i have instaled yesterday.... Don't know wat i can do.... Im not willing to do a factory reset.
Let me explain even better... I can charge my phone in the normal way... but i cant keep charging my phone on usb when i'm using the phone while charging.
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Bro, i tested all ports, all cables... I cant find usb debug on stock rom... I even uninstall the app that i have instaled yesterday.... Don't know wat i can do.... Im not willing to do a factory reset.
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Go to settings, about hit the build number 6 times that will activate developer opinions USB debugging is in there
There is probably a hardware connection issue. I believe you don't need a driver just to recharge thru usb. Are you able to make data connection to your pc using usb cable?
Your USB port will charge at a slower rate using PC-USB , if you're tethering the phone is probably discharging faster than the computer is charging - if you're on KK for example screen on will use 1700MHZ if in use so quite a drainer, Failing that, it's possible it's a faulty USB from either the computer or the device.
I'm able to make data conection with my phone and usb...
And like i said, I didn't have this problem until today... I think it coz i install crack app, or put a new sd card.
WandersonGD said:
I'm able to make data conection with my phone and usb...
And like i said, I didn't have this problem until today... I think it coz i install crack app, or put a new sd card.
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It's possible they may be causing it, the cracked App could be running anything in the B/G of your device keeping it awake hence USB not charging it as it's in use. Uninstall it (and support the Dev by buying it!!) see if it makes a difference.. Another thing is check your wakelock/battery use.. Media scanner might be eating up your battery.
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It's possible they may be causing it, the cracked App could be running anything in the B/G of your device keeping it awake hence USB not charging it as it's in use. Uninstall it (and support the Dev by buying it!!) see if it makes a difference.. Another thing is check your wakelock/battery use.. Media scanner might be eating up your battery.
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Already uninstall it, same same.
Probably its Media scanner, coz I put 4.5gb of music and 1gb of photos and videos yesterday... How can i control it ?
You have to let it index the files - it varies on how long it takes, but it should reset OK on your next battery cycle at least.
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You have to let it index the files - it varies on how long it takes, but it should reset OK on your next battery cycle at least.
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Index Service and google services are consuming the most of my battery... So I have to w8, correct ? But it takes soh long, like days ?
OK, this is very simple but you need to figure out which of the following problems is yours:
1. phone is not charging at all
2. phone is charging, but at slower rate than it is discharging
1 you can test by noting battery level, shutting it down and let it charge for an hour or two, or even overnight. USB 2 should give you about 400-450 mA, battery has capacity of 3200 mA, so figure in about 8 hrs your batt.should charge from 0% to 100%. or about 10% -15% an hour.
2 you can test by watching how much discharge you have overnight: I normally have 3% -5% discharge over 7-8 hrs night, when phone is not used, but on.
If your phone discharges more than 20-30% overnight, then it will take forever to fully charge and at above about 70% discharge, it will never charge fully, since discharge rate is similar to charge rate. If that was the case you need to find what is responsible for such high discharge rate. As somebody else already mentioned if you're using phone while charging, the screen alone will take as much power as the charge can deliver, so in that case the best you can hope for is slower discharge.
pete4k said:
OK, this is very simple but you need to figure out which of the following problems is yours:
1. phone is not charging at all
2. phone is charging, but at slower rate than it is discharging
1 you can test by noting battery level, shutting it down and let it charge for an hour or two, or even overnight. USB 2 should give you about 400-450 mA, battery has capacity of 3200 mA, so figure in about 8 hrs your batt.should charge from 0% to 100%. or about 10% -15% an hour.
2 you can test by watching how much discharge you have overnight: I normally have 3% -5% discharge over 7-8 hrs night, when phone is not used, but on.
If your phone discharges more than 20-30% overnight, then it will take forever to fully charge and at above about 70% discharge, it will never charge fully, since discharge rate is similar to charge rate. If that was the case you need to find what is responsible for such high discharge rate. As somebody else already mentioned if you're using phone while charging, the screen alone will take as much power as the charge can deliver, so in that case the best you can hope for is slower discharge.
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My case is 2. phone is charging, but at slower rate than it is discharging, AND only on USB, on energy socket is totally normal...
I don't know, i wish my phone is indexing, coz yesterday I put tons of pdf, photos, musics and videos, but why it taking so long to index, is it normal?
My problem is so serious that if I put the phone on usb and let it away sleeping, even like that the phone slowly descharges.
Well, maybe this is the answer : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2461958
I will wait little longer to see if its continue indexing.
Sorry can''t help much with indexing, it's the first service I shutdown on all my computers and phone as well, I would imagine you have to wait it out until it's finish or root and shut it down, I don't know about you, but I very rarely search my own files, to the point it's not worth it even if the impact of indexing was miniscule. In the meantime can you force shut it down at least when not charging from outlet? Possibly it will restart, even before next boot, but maybe long enough for phone to charge.
Well i fix my problem. But I'm not satisfied.
Wat you need to do is ERASE all your PDF data. PDF files has a king of a problem with indexing on note 3.
Of course if you have a rooted device, you will have more options.
I'm not satisfied because i can't have my pdf classes on my phone, where i like to study. At least all in once.
TY FOR ALL THE CONTRIBUTION.
I think you give up too fast, you bought expensive phone, why not use it to it's full potential? One option would be to root and freeze indexing like I did. I'm not sure if that would disable searching for words all together or just slow it down, but I think that's better than nothing. Another option which I just thought of now, kind of crazy idea, but maybe it would work, rename file extension, instead of file.pdf use something like file.123 or maybe even file extension that should not be indexed like .jpg or .png. Hopefully indexer will not read file header and just skip it. When you need to read it just force open with some pdf reader, no idea if it will work but try. Another way, maybe it won't index compressed files like zip and again I don't use it so don't know how it would work in real life, but just couple ideas to try.