Hello everybody; Sorry for this silly question, but it seems i cannot fully power off my smartphone in order to have it full charge the battery whithout the phone being on. By this i mean the smartphone totaly powered off and not only having deactivated the radio section of the phone which deals with the mobile phone section of the appliance and the bluetooth ; When i press on the power button, the only thing that happens is that the display switches off and not the smartphone; I was accustomed to a real switch off on my other smartphone P900 withj symbian UIQ 7.0
Have i missed something or is this condition a feature /bug of the phone or microsoft windows mobile 2003?
Thanking you all in advance for any input i remain
Arnaud
Hi, I'm new here. Just known XDA II for two weeks.
About ur question, I think it's not a bug but rather a feature. U can turn off the phone by click the phone icon at the top bar.
I would hate it if I can't power off the pda without the phone is on.
'cause when I sleep I really don't need the pda section. :wink:
Hi
Yes, you missed something...
A "real" power-down is similar to a hard-reset, and believe me, you won't do a hard-reset if it is not totally necessary.
The XDA unpackes the program files at powerup into its sdrams and keeps the data in the sdrams when it is switch off. Of course this sdrams need power to keep the data.
Otherwise, you can still remove the battery :wink:
But, I agree, it would be interessting to know how long the battery lastest when the phone is switch off.
regards,
actually, you CAN remove the battery
after all, the battery IS removable.... and intended to be replaced.
But then your PPC will be on the "backup battery" and 30 minutes
later you will lose all your data. too bad.
The fact is, not only you absolutely cannot turn this thing off,
if you're down to 5% power and will be awhile before you
plug it for more power,
YOU BETTER TURN IT OFF AND TURN THE PHONE OFF
if you somehoe run down the battery to zero with a phone call,
you will have a hard reset in 30 minutes ....
this is all the result of the STUPID MS DECISION, long time ago,
not to put all the critical data/install/whatever in FLASH / SD card.
this is all the result of the STUPID MS DECISION, long time ago,
not to put all the critical data/install/whatever in FLASH / SD card.
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It wasn't a bad decision for the time - memory that kept its contents without power was very expensive, and very slow. It's still not great. Symbian went the no-power memory route, and the earlier devices (Nokia 9200 series) were crippled by it (CPU underclocked to 56MHz to cope with the memory, and too little memory to do everything people wanted).
Don't forget, you can't just use regular flash memory - it's still too slow, and will wear out with too many write cycles, however a good feature would be a 'hibernate' mode that dumps the static ram to flash ram, and restores on power up. Sort of like the *FlashMan utilities, but actually useful.
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i have had a few gadgets, mobiles and electronic stuff in my time, but to this day have not heard such a stupid thing as if i leave my phone untill the battery goes flat, I LOSE ALL MY DATA??!! this has alreeady happened to me after 1 nite i forgot to put the damn thing on charge, somebody should tell the makers of O2 XDA that some people have a life that does not revolve around constantly checking if your damn phone is about to wipe out all your data everyday!...also I cant seem to switch the damn thing off, by that i mean, there are times when you dont want people to call you, so you switch off your phone the normal way, by pressing the off button, was this too hard to incorporate????!!!!
...phew, feel a little better now, thanx guys.
i was worried about the Switching it off thing aswell at first.
Awnser is "Turn Wireless off" tap on the signal meter and the option is there.
also about saveing battery life, remember to allways press the power button on top when your not useing it
and to stop all sound, mute it
thing to remember is..
its a PDA with a phone built in.
not
a Phone with a PDA built in.
there is a diffrence as i say to ppl who tell me "man why d'you want a phone like a brick"
p.s. back up all data to your pc now n then
battery life never been a problem to me so far
and i can leave it days without a recharge.
anyway, it switches itself off as a failsafe if power gets too low.
obviously you need to go back to an organizer on paper. :lol:
The XDA /MDA is more a computer that a phone.. :shock:
Over 23 years of computing an ppl still think backup up is not needed.... :roll:
Hey dont knock rai. Its peeps like him that keep us IT'ers in a job :lol:
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Hey dont knock rai. Its peeps like him that keep us IT'ers in a job :lol:
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LOL!! :lol:
granted that the XDA is more a computer than a phone, but i dont lose all my software and my documents if my laptops battery goes flat.
im not aking to have the wheel re-invented (honest), just expect a simple "OFF" switch to "switch off" the device and to have my data and contacts still there, should i sacrilegiously forget to charge it.
rai, there is an option to write your contacts and other data to ROM, thus preventing loss of contact and appointments or all data if you have enough space.
rai said:
granted that the XDA is more a computer than a phone, but i dont lose all my software and my documents if my laptops battery goes flat.
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Ypu would if you had i lightweight laptop w/o harddive and everything stored in memory. :roll: And that's what the PPC is...
Ok, granted, you have got a SD card, so you can store data on 'disk' if wanted. I have everything synced, on SD backup, or on the SD card.
Worstcase scenario is i may have to wait until i get home to resore all data...
Practical: Just plug it to power in your car and and home at night, and you'll probably even forget it works on a battery that could go flat :lol:
Perhaps the only solution fro PDA is this :
"Toshiba announced that it created a hard drive the size of a coin targetted for the mobile phone sector. The drive can hold as much as 3GB of information and will start shipping in 2005.
Related Link: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20031215/ap_on_hi_te/toshiba_tiny_disk"
but unfortunately we have to wait till 2005 :lol:
hi Johan, how does it work in a SE p800, does that have a HD?
It's one of the fundamental differences between Symbian and pocketPC - Symbian specifies that the devices main memory should not loose its contents when powered down fully. WinCE takes the other approach.
A few years ago, WinCE was probably the best way to do things, as non volatile RAM (or rather RAM that needed /very/ little power to maintain state) was slow and expensive - it was one of the bug bears of the 9210 that it had too little RAM, and the whole system was heavily underclocked - down to 56MHz if my memory serves me right.
Nowadays, this type of memory is a bit cheaper, and certainly more performant (remember this is not your regular flash memory we're talking about - that would be just too slow and incapable of the write cycle demands). This means that Symbian devices now have comparable performance to the WinCE, yet WinCe is still burndened with the loss of memory on power out.
One thing I'd like to see is an automatic "hibernate" feature added to the core OS. When power drops below say 1%, all open programs are closed, the remaining critical RAM contents copied off to flash storage, and the device won't wake up again until it's charged. It'd mean that device manufacturers would have to provide enough built in spare space on the flash ROM for this, but the current situation of manually backing up the critical data with the *flashman utilities is a poor substitute.
I know several people who refuse use PPC/WinCE because of the total data loss on power out, but as with so may WinCE problems, it could be fixed quite easily with a bit of thought on Microsoft's part.
Thinking about this for a moment, it would probably be relatively easy to create a third party app to do something along these lines - we can get the battery power level, we can 'unprotect' the spare ROM space, compress and dump the critical files to it along with a 'reawaken mode' flag, and we could have a little app that runs on startup and does the reverse if the flag is present, followed by an automatic soft-reset so that all drivers etc can reload cleanly. The only tricky part is making sure that there's anough space available for the main data for contacts/diary/registry/etc plus any additionally installed programs - these could be prioritised by the user if there's some that are more critical than others.
All that sounds a little complicated for rai.
He could simply copy his contacts and save it onto the extended_ROM using a basic txt document, or save it on his SIM, which is what we all should do anyway. :lol:
Or...
he could go the long way and copy the actual file for contacts and the calendar, then paste it into a secure folder in the extended_ROM, and if ever the problem does occur again, copy and paste it again.
Either way, let this be a lesson to you all: WinCE gives you all the programs Symbian users can only dream about, but there are drawbacks - you've got to be just a little bit more responsible with their devices. Like one chap here said: It's NOT a phone.
I'm sure I've seen a prog that does automated backups to the SD card. So there is an ideal, non user intervention solution.
Also when the backpack comes out you could get a nice CF Flash micro disk. That brings all the joys of your laptop with mechanical hard drive..... hhhhm mechanicaaaallll.
oh here it is, the answer to your problems. Automated backup and low battery backup
http://www.spritesoftware.com/ppc/products.html
rai the reason your laptop's batt is soo big is related to the fact that it use a harddisk because harddisks are full of moving parts which spin at a pretty fast pase
this cost batt juice
so if the xda or p800/900 had a harddisk you would not have much time to put in your data before the batt was flat
Pocket Backup Plus from Sprite Software, like stricker said , is the solution to all these problems ... use it and ....keep cool ! :wink:
Thanks for the link, didn't know about this program (as I always back up to PC anyway). OEMs should buy it and stick it preconfigured into their roms.
I've seen that backup prog recommended by others and in interest of doing as I preach I installed it. However I found an issue.... may just be affecting me tho. See the other thread I started, "spritesoftware backup package".
XDA2 backup and restore
I use sprite's backup program and backup every day to my PC. I copy this backup and of course the program to an sd card, and my webserver. That way I can be reasonably safe. Mine went flat today, but used one of those emergency chargers(takes AA batts), and was back in business in a few mins.
Am I going mad or missing something. :shock: It appears that the phone functionality of the Atom is not as good as the mini. With the mini I could use the phone keypad to type a name to find the contact, select it and then open contact details in the phone book. I could press the centre button to open up the contact details and then select which number I wanted to dial. Once I dialled a number I could go back to the contact card and choose another number.
The mini also allowed you to go to the speed dial by pressing the left button or right button for call history.
These features have disappeared on the Atom. If am correct then this is a backward step. I thought the WM5 is supposed to be an improvement. :x
Am I the only one missing these features or am I missing something in the set up.
Is there a work around this or an application I can purchase? Any help would be appreciated.
Hi, I think you will not find many people owning an Atom in this forum...
However I was thinking to buy one, when I decided NOT to do so because of some limitations associated to the phone, T9 and phonepad... a colleague of mine bought one, though.
The phone app is not WM5, it's custom software by the phone manufacturer, that's why they are different. There are threads that tell how to install phonepad (a HTC proprietary app) on non-HTC devices (search for "phonepad" at www.eten-users.net) but beware that this is not legal. Alternatives are discussed here: http://www.ppcsg.com/lofiversion/index.php/t71549.html
BTW: did you find any way to switch the atom off (completely, I mean)? The manual says you cannot. How is it possible to change the SIM card, then?
Thanks for your reply. I though I was going mad. I am not sure what you mean by turning it off. I havent tried changing the sim card. I just turn the power button off. But it amy be still on in the background.
Yes, if you press the power button the display turns into standby. It is still on, though (and the RAM drains battery). On my S200, keeping the power button pressed will allow you to switch it off completely (a cold boot is then necessary like after a soft reset).
To change the SIM you need to remove the battery, but my friend is afraid to do so unless the device is switched off completely. According to the manual, however, you cannot do this. So I was wondering if it's risky to remove the battery while the device is in standby.
I just took my sim card out and put it back again. All it did was a soft reboot and I was up and running again. No data lost. Like most of these devices it has a built in battery to keep the memory intact when the main battery goes flat or is replace.
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I just took my sim card out and put it back again. All it did was a soft reboot and I was up and running again. No data lost. Like most of these devices it has a built in battery to keep the memory intact when the main battery goes flat or is replace.
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Windows Mobile 5 uses permanent storage so no backup battery is required! You can take out the battery for as long as you like.
I know it stores data on permanent storage, but can I take out the battery without previously shutting the device down?
I use/have used the Imate PDA, PDA2 and PDA2K... all of them lose all of their programs/settings (pretty much a hard reset) when the battery dies. Does the Hermes act in the same way? I was told by a sales person that since it has 128MB rom the programs install to that and you don't lose them when the battery dies like you do now. Is that true?
Hermes uses persistant memory. Won't lose apps in memory unless you hardreset. So your safe if battery runs out.
V
Good information, i have had a hard time with my i mate jam,,,,
thanks
asz
Great, thanks for the info vijay. Can Anyone expand on how it tells the difference between a hard reset and a battery going flat then? Any othere differences in relation to this?
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Great, thanks for the info vijay. Can Anyone expand on how it tells the difference between a hard reset and a battery going flat then? Any othere differences in relation to this?
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Devices running Windows Mobile 5 change the area of memory information is stored. Its called persistant storage and is one of the major benefits of WM5. Its slighter slower but all information is saved if the battery dies.
Older devices (WM2002, 2003, 2003SE) used to save information to the RAM. Faster than persistant storage in WM5, but RAM needs power to keep the information stored within. Thats the reason why data used to be lost if batteries ran out in the older devices. There is a back-up battery in the device is case of power loss but tend to only last around 20mins unless you replace or charge the battery.
Think thats about right, im sure i'll be corrected if i'm wrong.
Hope that clears things up for you.
Thanks silent... So how does a hard reset work then? if the programs are stored in persistant storage?
Also, it can't just be software based can it? Ie if i put WM5 onto one of my Imate PDA2's then that wouldn't keep the settings if the battery died... it would have to be a combination of OS and hardware right?
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Thanks silent... So how does a hard reset work then? if the programs are stored in persistant storage?
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Well, the hard reset routine actively erases the persistant program memory. A bit like formatting a hard drive.
Also, it can't just be software based can it? Ie if i put WM5 onto one of my Imate PDA2's then that wouldn't keep the settings if the battery died... it would have to be a combination of OS and hardware right?
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Yes.
Cheers
Daniel
When the battery of a Tytn dies ALL DATA is savely stored.
you can however, reset the device if it won't start a program or if data is corrupted.
1. If the device still runs you can go to the settings menu and select system > erase memory. this will set the tytn back to factory defaults.
2. If the device locks down on startup you can also turn it on and after it has been turned on pres the power button again and keep the power button pressed and press the reset button simultaneously until the device reboots.
Actually, there have been "unofficial" ports of Windows Mobile 5 for the Blue Angel series of Pocket PC Phones and they do indeed use persistent storage, just like the "official" Windows Mobile 5 devices do. Your device needs to have enough persistent memory available to support this in order for it to work, and the Blue Angel does. It is tricky to do, but does work.
im a noob in this Blue angel > WM5 thing and i did it too.
its not that hard.
to bad the build of WM5 for blue angel was a little heavy for the processor.
the persistant memory was there, so i could keep my data when my battery died.
finally i switched back to wm2003 because it was much faster.
now i bought a tytn and gave away the blue angel because this one is better.
Great guys, Thanks heaps for the help.
Hi y'all,
since a few days I'm the owner of a Qtek S100. The previous owner bought it a year and a half ago and has never updated anything on it.
The ROM is version1.06. (Radio is version 1.05). I've tried to register on qtek.nl to get the latest updates but you have to enter an IMEI-nr during the registration and since my device is from Belgium as is my IMEI, I can't register!
I see that there are different kinds of ROMs circulating so my question is; Which one do I need/ is the best?
Should I install rom and radio apart or does rom contain also radio?
I've heared about a special rom-pack that also has the big storage hack in it. What about this?
Do I also have to install the camera patch? Where can I find it?
I've also heared about a A2DP bluetooth patch..
The sticky about upgrading is kinda outdated and didn't help me much..
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Aside from this I have some other problems I've encountered. I don't know if they'll be fixed after I update the ROM but here they are;
- how do I lock the buttons/screen? The only thing that seems to work but isn't very convenient is to enable a the password in the settings and check the box next to "prompt if device is unused 1 minute". No plain button/screen lock?
- If the device is on stand-by I don't get any notification that I've received an sms. Only when I disable the stand-by by pushing the power button then I get it. But this could be like half an hour after I've received a message.
- if someone calls me and I end the call, how can I save his/her number to my phonebook?
- If I take of the batterycover the device shuts down. Is this supposed to happen?
-How do you completely shut the device down? If I press and hold the powerbutton (like described in the manual) the backlight dims, if I press it shortly it goes on stand-by.. but how do I turn the device of (without taking of the battery-cover..)
- Is it normal that when my battery is low (10-15%) the bluetooth doesn't work?
- Which 4GB SD-cards are known to work 100% with the Qtek S100?
- I've noticed that the battery is kinda weak/worn out? Where can I find a replacement with a higher capacity?
Maybe I should also say that this is the first time I work with Windows Mobile so don't be too harsh on me
Thanks for helping out!
Anyone?
debilio said:
Hi y'all,
I see that there are different kinds of ROMs circulating so my question is; Which one do I need/ is the best?
Should I install rom and radio apart or does rom contain also radio?
Do I also have to install the camera patch? Where can I find it?
I've also heared about a A2DP bluetooth patch..
- how do I lock the buttons/screen? The only thing that seems to work but isn't very convenient is to enable a the password in the settings and check the box next to "prompt if device is unused 1 minute". No plain button/screen lock?
- If the device is on stand-by I don't get any notification that I've received an sms. Only when I disable the stand-by by pushing the power button then I get it. But this could be like half an hour after I've received a message.
- if someone calls me and I end the call, how can I save his/her number to my phonebook?
-How do you completely shut the device down? If I press and hold the powerbutton (like described in the manual) the backlight dims, if I press it shortly it goes on stand-by.. but how do I turn the device of (without taking of the battery-cover..)
- Is it normal that when my battery is low (10-15%) the bluetooth doesn't work?
- Which 4GB SD-cards are known to work 100% with the Qtek S100?
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Okay, I'll make a start with what I know off the top of my head but would recommend a bit of reading here and on MoDaCo.com as all the answers not too difficult to find.
I'm using iMate 1.12 ROM which is the best from that source. I've not tried any other operator/manufacturer versions so can't comment. The radio version will be included and the camera patch is not needed with the latest updates. A2DP patch is here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=249219
I recommend pocketMax's screenGuard and phoneAlarm for locking & notifications respectively :
http://www.pocketmax.net/index.html
With the Dialpad on the screen, go to Call History. Press and hold on the number you want to save, first option is Save To Contacts.
Pocket PCs until very recently were designed to never be completely shut down. This is why we have a backup battery. Make sure that you pull the little rubber lug away from the battery before you remove it as you can initiate a hard reset otherwise. This is in the manual.
Bluetooth can be a battery-drainer so I'm not surprised it won't work with that level of juice. I'd try and avoid letting the battery level get that low if possible as the backup only lasts for about 20 minutes. After that you will lose all your data etc.
I use a MobyMemory own-brand 4GB mini-SD in an adaptor. I have had a couple of problems with it but generally it works fine. Today screen plugins installed on the card can be slow to load.
http://www.mobymemory.com/
I'm sure other members here will correct me if there are better answers and fill in the gaps otherwise.
please do search and few readings on this forum... and hmmm i saw some anwers that actually u can get from your xda manual book
happy reading...
how long will the hd2 retain ram while the battery is removed or completly flat?
cant seem to find any mention of it in the user guide
If you're wondering whether the phone hard resets itself when it loses power then you don't need to worry. This hasn't been a problem since Windows Mobile 5.
excellent news thanks!
must admit, i've not been involved with WM devices since, well... a long time ago!