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XDA II will have blackberry functionnality?

My IT manager has informed me that the XDA II will have blackberry capabilities once "O2 implement some changes to their servers" , which will apparently happen somewhere after X-mas.
Anybody else heard of this?

It was my impression, from something I read I believe, that the functionality comes from both 2003 mobile upgrade, and microsoft .net (2003) exchange server. Basically I was lead to believe that if you have say MS exchange server .net or 2003 what ever it is officially called, and a pocket pc phone running 2003 mobile the blackberry type functions can be had.

RIM client is being shipped in new O2 XDA II firmware next year. This means you can use it with RIM BES servers to deliver push E-mail.
This will not give the true Blackberry experience though as the carriers have only licensed a portion of the BES solution and it's functionality is limited. There is no push calendar, contacts etc. etc. and the configuration aspects are limited on PPC2003.
Good for marketing purposes but pretty much useless in my view in an enterprise deployment. It's my understanding that the RIM BES support is a firmware only solution and you will not be able to add extra functionality without the carrier licencing it and delivering it to you in ROM form.

The RIM BES is done with software. So in theory it could be implemented on the XDA II. However the BES is not cheep!!
It would be good to see if an XDA II could get the seamless e-mail connection that the Blackberry does. However the Blackberry is not a particularly good phone and when I last looked did not support SMS but P2P. If they can get over the technical aspect and the cost of the BES it would be great and I for one would perches the service in a second.
Gil.

Yes it can
the xmail software can be used to match what blackberry can provide - you will need a computer permanently linked to the network (either yours or a shared machine)

A T-Mobile manager in San Francisco explained it this way: The combination of the new Pocket PC Phone Edition 2003 software on your PDA and new mail server software (undoubtedly Exchange Server 2003, although she didn't say), lets email show up on your PDA without you having to check for it manually, just like SMS messages do. If that's what you mean by Blackberry capabilities, then it looks like everyone who has or upgrades to Pocket PC Phone Edition 2003 and gets email from an updated Exchange Server will have "Blackberry capability." She explained that the mail server will send a specially coded SMS message to your PDA (which you will never see) which will notify the OS that there is email waiting to be downloaded. The PDA will then automatically initate a download of the email. From your perspective, it will seem that the email will simply show up -- a la with a Blackberry device.

It is Exchange 2003 and Windows Mobile 2003 combo. You can set Active Sync to sync "as new items arrive" option. This option sends a special email via SMS to your phone to pull the new data. So, it becomes very close to Blackberry RIM, I love it. It saves my time to check for new messages on the road.

People are confusing two capabilities here
RIM / Blackberry INBOX software is rumored to be shipping with / in the XDA II firmware sometime in '04 (might be available now). This would allow EITHER a RIM desktop redirector OR a Blackberry Enterprise Server to wireless synchronize Exchange email with the XDA II. The BES option is much better than the 'redirector' as it doesn't require a PC to be constantly running redirecting email for every user doing this (dumb approach).
There are multiple "Blackberry Like" capabilities that support the XDA II that some of you have been referring too. Microsoft new 'titanium' / Exchange uses SMS (dumb approach) to wake up the XDA II and 'tell it' to come pick up it's mail, calendar, etc. SMS is costly in some cases, and not guaranteed message protocol in all cases.
Other ISV's are developing / have developed 'Berry like' capability for XDA II -- Synchrologoc, Extended Systems, Sybase iAnywhere, others.
Most of these take the same approach as described above by Microsoft -- some are a bit more clever approach that uses TCP/IP as the underlying Push notification vs. SMS -- which makes them alot more flexible and reliable.
NET-net: There are two options to achieving the Pushed email / PIM to the XDA II: via RIM / Blackberry approach, or via the MS / ISV approach described above.
Make sense? FYI: I know this because I am the RIM product mgr for my company, and have been exploring some of the options that are RIM-like with other device and platforms.
jpd

There are 3rd party solutions that allow for this kind of thing also. We are currently using Synchrologic Email Accelerator to do true IP push to our WM2003 devices. The device polls the server to see if new messages are there and pulls them down if there are any new items. Email, Contacts, Tasks...any of your PIM items are "pushed" (it actually appears to be a pull, but oh well) without SMS messaging taking place.
I guess my point is that this is WM2003 capability, not necessarily XDA II. You can have this "blackberry experience" today if you use the right software. Granted, its not cheap, but I know our mobile users love it.
-wurd up

wurdipus said:
There are 3rd party solutions that allow for this kind of thing also. We are currently using Synchrologic Email Accelerator to do true IP push to our WM2003 devices. The device polls the server to see if new messages are there and pulls them down if there are any new items. Email, Contacts, Tasks...any of your PIM items are "pushed" (it actually appears to be a pull, but oh well) without SMS messaging taking place.
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Yeah but the device has to be on to do this, right? I mean to "poll" the server, your PPC has to be turned on, right?
With the Exchange Server method, it will send the SMS which will cause your PPC to wake up, dl the email, and tell you "you've got mail".
-arebelspy

your PDA is never actually off unless you let the battery die. When you turn it "off" the screen just blanks to save battery. I agree, SMS message wakeup is a stupid and wasteful approach.

IP Telephony

Hi,
my new provider offers a GPRS flatrate and I wonder if there is a tool to make IP telephony (for international calls) possible.
Does anybody know a company which offers that kind of service for PPCs? Or is there a kind of workaround to use this service from XDAII via GPRS?
I've been using Net2phone and Webphone before, I think it is impossible to convert and run their access programs on PPC. So maybe there is a way?!
Thanks for any comments on that topic...
bobopopo

You may want to try MS Portrait and Skype which now has a PPC client.

Skype for PPC
Has anybody used skype and a SD Wifi Card?

Has anybody used skype and a SD Wifi Card?
I did i works PErfect i have a mda 2 and a scandisk sd wifi card
perfect only no video

You can use Net2Phone and other VOIP services on the Pocket PC...simply download either X Lite, X Pro or SJPhone and set them up to use the Net2Phone servers. Or you could just download the already-set FWD Pocket PC client from www.fwd.pulver.com. Voice quality over GPRS may not be all that good though...

There is a PPC version of XTen's VoIP client (the probably best VoIP software client), but it costs $50 for the newest version (X-Pro). see: http://www.xten.com/index.php?menu=products&smenu=xpro
But it seems like speech quality is problematical on the imate devices. see: http://support.xten.net/viewforum.php?f=7
What I was able to find was this previous version of X-Lite, which seems to be free: http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=8886

According to a reply to an email I sent to Xten Networks, you can download a trial version of X-Pro's Pocket PC edition from their site. The *.cab can be downloaded straight to your XDA from the following site:
http://builds.xten.net/download/?8cc389c2722bfa6f7dbb62de512cd930
Alternatively, you can download the *.exe file to your PC and then install it to your XDA. It can be found at:
http://builds.xten.net/download/?0c14043762718fd7b11deb85e7b6a0f8.
The user's guide is available at:
http://xten.com/docs/X-PRO_PocketPC_Users_Guide.pdf
Hope this helps

I'd love to hear otherwise, but I don't think this could work at all. VoIP requires a consistent 17k data transfer with little loss and low latency (under 225ms). All my testing points to about 1000-1400ms latency and heavy packet loss, often greater than 50%. This is part of the design of GPRS; using "spare" data space so that the voice calls are always clear.

i recomend woize Sip program it works grate on Qtek 9100

Hi, im using woize it is sip program sip = internet telefon.. woize works grate on 9100 if u ar on w-lan, it has 1 bug but is going to be fixst in ner fjutjer http://www.woize.com http://www.woize.com/smartphone.php
Known bugs
There is a problem with the volume on devices with a built-in GSM phone. The application will work but the volume is very loud.
Woize - a SIP based VoIP app now available for MS Smartphone : SmartphoneWoize Beta available now
January 25, 2006 [MS Smartphone]
Contrary to Skype, that is based on proprietary P2P technology (similar to the one in former Napster P2P), Woize is based on de facto industry standard in VoIP (Voice over IP) industry - the SIP.
Interestingly processors of speed 200 MHz that are in all smartphones and some slow Pocket PC devices, can handle SIP well, although they have problems or can't handle Skype at all. Since nowadays more and more MS Smartphone (the small brother of Pocket PC in Windows Mobile family) phones have built-in Wi-Fi, this SIP based Woize program may be a blessing...
Woize is digital telephony made simple. When signing up, you receive your own phone number that can be used from any computer anywhere in the world to call your friends and business partners at incredibly low rates. And they can call you - right to your computer!
SmartphoneWoize allows you to use Woize wherever your phone is connected to a WiFi network. The functionality of the application is similar to the PC and Pocket PC versions of Woize. Get SmartphoneWoize now and start calling other Woize, PocketWoize and SmartphoneWoize users for free!
Similarly like it is in Skype: Internet to Internet voice calls are free and calls to regular phone numbers are available at special rates (not free).
If you have a Pocket PC phone with slow processor (like HTC Wizard or HTC Prophet) you may consider using Woize too - there is a version for Pocket PC available too. Since these slow Pocket PC phones have problems to handle Skype voice calls, Woize may be the solution for you. Pocket PC version of Woize is here.
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Sounds good and looks nice. Have you used it ok KinkyGolab?
V

yess, the onley problem is the bug and it is the onley problem i haw found. u can also send sms from it and i get free sip telefon nummber and if u haw sip box att home u can setup so u can get
ur woize cal to ur SIP/ATA box in sted if ur pda is turn of
im going to get my Qtek 9000 to day so i can test woize on it but im going to test it tomorow
Settings
SIP Server: sip.woize.com
Outbound Proxy: sip.woize.com
SIP User ID: SIP-Username
Password: SIP-Password
For more detailed instructions for your SIP/ATA box please refer to your SIP/ATA box manufactures manual/guides on how configure your box.
vijay555 said:
Sounds good and looks nice. Have you used it ok KinkyGolab?
V
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In fact, Woize is NOT SIP based. The client uses proprietary protocol and Woize has SIP gateway (not too different from Skype). SJLabs, XTEN and Cicero are SIP based clients that do not tie you into a service like Voize, Skype, MSN, Yahoo and AOL do.

All interesting. If the performance is good, and if it is SIP compatible, do we need to worry Finn?
I never use SIP - I'm always much closer to a phone then wifi, but it's good to know in case I'm planning any acts of insurgency :shock:
V

I think is not possible send SMS to any number... only SIP numbers!
Is Not?

KinkyGolab said:
Hi, im using woize it is sip program sip = internet telefon.. woize works grate on 9100 if u ar on w-lan, it has 1 bug but is going to be fixst in ner fjutjer http://www.woize.com http://www.woize.com/smartphone.php
Known bugs
There is a problem with the volume on devices with a built-in GSM phone. The application will work but the volume is very loud.
Woize - a SIP based VoIP app now available for MS Smartphone : SmartphoneWoize Beta available now
January 25, 2006 [MS Smartphone]
Contrary to Skype, that is based on proprietary P2P technology (similar to the one in former Napster P2P), Woize is based on de facto industry standard in VoIP (Voice over IP) industry - the SIP.
Interestingly processors of speed 200 MHz that are in all smartphones and some slow Pocket PC devices, can handle SIP well, although they have problems or can't handle Skype at all. Since nowadays more and more MS Smartphone (the small brother of Pocket PC in Windows Mobile family) phones have built-in Wi-Fi, this SIP based Woize program may be a blessing...
Woize is digital telephony made simple. When signing up, you receive your own phone number that can be used from any computer anywhere in the world to call your friends and business partners at incredibly low rates. And they can call you - right to your computer!
SmartphoneWoize allows you to use Woize wherever your phone is connected to a WiFi network. The functionality of the application is similar to the PC and Pocket PC versions of Woize. Get SmartphoneWoize now and start calling other Woize, PocketWoize and SmartphoneWoize users for free!
Similarly like it is in Skype: Internet to Internet voice calls are free and calls to regular phone numbers are available at special rates (not free).
If you have a Pocket PC phone with slow processor (like HTC Wizard or HTC Prophet) you may consider using Woize too - there is a version for Pocket PC available too. Since these slow Pocket PC phones have problems to handle Skype voice calls, Woize may be the solution for you. Pocket PC version of Woize is here.
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nice, thanks for pointing it out!

Blackberry on the Polaris

Is anyone able to tell me if Blackberry is going to work on a Polaris? And what's the difference (if any) between Blackberry Service & Blackberry Connect.
Basically I want to be able to use the Polaris with my corporate BB server.
Thanks in advance for any help with this.

speakeasy said:
Is anyone able to tell me if Blackberry is going to work on a Polaris? And what's the difference (if any) between Blackberry Service & Blackberry Connect.
Basically I want to be able to use the Polaris with my corporate BB server.
Thanks in advance for any help with this.
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Plz, dont ask anything concerning BB in this forum... u r really off topic.
HTC has push email (and contacts, pim, etc...) like BB. Just check here:
https://secure.europe.htc.com/en/htcmail/index.html
So the answer is: YES, u can act your HTC like u can do on a BB

Anyone still using HTCmail after the trial period? I can't seem to find how much it costs.
answer:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1823333#post1823333
ps. wrong forum!

Abbsta said:
Anyone still using HTCmail after the trial period? I can't seem to find how much it costs.
answer:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1823333#post1823333
ps. wrong forum!
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it cost 11 euro per month (12 months subscription)

wonderiuy said:
Plz, dont ask anything concerning BB in this forum... u r really off topic.
HTC has push email (and contacts, pim, etc...) like BB. Just check here:
https://secure.europe.htc.com/en/htcmail/index.html
So the answer is: YES, u can act your HTC like u can do on a BB
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I think the question is valid. I have had a PDA for years and have moved through different version of device and OS. I love the features you get (including stylus/touchdrive screen) the ability to add many applications/themes and even upgrade to new roms etc not to mention Tomtom/GPS and push email from exchange.
I love the exchange push but my company are against it as they have been blackberry for a while and are worried about security/viruses and control of devices.
I recently was given a Blackberry from work which just turns out to be a basic phone with email...they work great but i cannot do much else. I have no memory expansion, MP3 player, not much decent addon applications, rubbish themes and no touch screen.
I would love to take the sim with its data tariff and put it in my Wizard or Universal or even my old XDA2 and use it for the blackberry service. I cant use it for excahnge push a it is disabled at the corporate end and if it was available would cost a fortune as the blackberry GPRS tariff charges extra for any data not going over blackberry.
I am stuck with 2 devices where I would dearly like to have one. That one would not be a blackberry but a fantastic WM6, touch screen, Satnav, Audio player, Camera, media viewer, media streamer from my home PC, media streamer from the internet over Wifi or GPRS, web browser, bluetooth stereo headset, voice dialing.....oh, and email from blackberry connect with my company SIM would be nice.
I think I am getting a bit bitter about this.........Sorry for the rant....I realy want Blackberry Connect V4 on my wizard.

Sorry if this is the wrong thread (mods, feel free to delete/move or tell me where I *should post), but . . .
HTC Mail is no good for me as it costs money. My company wants to give me a Blackberry but, like OhtwoXCDA2, I want a 'real' device. So, I'm hoping that the free BB Connect will allow me to get mail from my corporate Blackberry Enterprise Server to the Polaris.
And, to answer my own post, a friend who knows about this stuff assures me that you can simply install BB Connect on a WM6 device, enter the PIN fom the BES and everything will be rosey.
Confirmation from anyone else would be nice.
p.s. there's also a thread going on here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=360114

Blackberry Mobile definitely works with the Kaiser, so I can't see any reason (by looking at the specification comparison to the Polaris) why it would not work on the Polaris.

OhtwoXDA2 said:
I think the question is valid. I have had a PDA for years and have moved through different version of device and OS. I love the features you get (including stylus/touchdrive screen) the ability to add many applications/themes and even upgrade to new roms etc not to mention Tomtom/GPS and push email from exchange.
I love the exchange push but my company are against it as they have been blackberry for a while and are worried about security/viruses and control of devices.
I recently was given a Blackberry from work which just turns out to be a basic phone with email...they work great but i cannot do much else. I have no memory expansion, MP3 player, not much decent addon applications, rubbish themes and no touch screen.
I would love to take the sim with its data tariff and put it in my Wizard or Universal or even my old XDA2 and use it for the blackberry service. I cant use it for excahnge push a it is disabled at the corporate end and if it was available would cost a fortune as the blackberry GPRS tariff charges extra for any data not going over blackberry.
I am stuck with 2 devices where I would dearly like to have one. That one would not be a blackberry but a fantastic WM6, touch screen, Satnav, Audio player, Camera, media viewer, media streamer from my home PC, media streamer from the internet over Wifi or GPRS, web browser, bluetooth stereo headset, voice dialing.....oh, and email from blackberry connect with my company SIM would be nice.
I think I am getting a bit bitter about this.........Sorry for the rant....I realy want Blackberry Connect V4 on my wizard.
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You are looking for this then:
http://www.asia.htc.com/resource/sea/bbc_web/index.html
BlackBerry® Connect™ for Microsoft® Windows Mobile® enables Windows Mobile-based devices to leverage the benefits of BlackBerry® wireless services, including BlackBerry® Enterprise Server and BlackBerry® Internet Service. Now, Pocket PC and Smartphone users can connect with email and other data applications and enjoy a familiar Windows® user experience.

Mi HTC Touch works like a charm with Blackberry Connect 4.0.0.92.
Yo can download the different versions here:
http://www.sems.org/entry.asp?entry_id=276
See also this page for downloading manual and Desktop connect:
http://www.sems.org/entry.asp?ENTRY_ID=225
Regards
speakeasy said:
Is anyone able to tell me if Blackberry is going to work on a Polaris? And what's the difference (if any) between Blackberry Service & Blackberry Connect.
Basically I want to be able to use the Polaris with my corporate BB server.
Thanks in advance for any help with this.
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