How can I remove from the original ROM some files like T-Mobile, AIM ... etc. ?
I cooked up a 4.00.10 T-Mobile with GPRS monitor and batterypack but i want some more addons.
Can someone tell me what steps are required to remove from the ROM some files ?
Thanks,
Decebal
ROM = Read Only Memory.
But, i've we're able to add Programs to the ROM in the ROMkitchen, i think we're also able to remove programs.
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Stefan
cruisin-thru said:
ROM = Read Only Memory.
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obviously i do not deserve that
i was talking about the ROM image and since i've already succeded in putting into the ROM two apps i want to try something else.
so if anyone know how to remove at least T-mobile and AIM files from the image i'll be happy.
thanks,
Decebal
I believe they are in an area not able to be modified.
I was just quoting from that site, it does state that it cannot be erased, modified etc, no offence meant here. :roll:
The mkrom tools will allow you to 'unpack' a rom, i.e. extract all the files that are in it.
A rom, to the best of my understanding, has a 'native' or stock part to it, and then a series of XIP chains -- programs that are added into the free spaces of the rom.
I dont know what happens if you try to remove files from a rom that are part of the standard build...
Maybe the TMobile stuff is in a 'removeable' section of the ROM... there is also the 'operator' section... I am assuming that is a location that will give the 'operator' or creator of the rom space to put specialized programs, such as TMobiles phone apps, etc.
So, it seems that your best bet is to get the mkrom tools and read about how to extract/remove files/rebuild a rom.
Hey, it may even work!
J
You can rebuild a rom image from extracted files and leave some files out but Mkrom does not use compression and therefore the rom you end up with will probably be bigger than the rom you started with.
Richard
If I am correct, an eeprom is something else than a flash-rom.
so the article at least states it incorrectly.
if it is flash, you should be able to modify it.
XDA developer Itsme said:
If I am correct, an eeprom is something else than a flash-rom.
so the article at least states it incorrectly.
if it is flash, you should be able to modify it.
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Now, I do think that the real question is "How do we unlock the 'ROM' so that it can be modified being that it is an eeprom?"
Misterdollymaker
you need backup the ROM to *.nb1 or *.nbf file, than using tools to add/delete file to *.nb1 , write the new file back to XDA ROM. it is fun to add/delete file to your personized ROM!
cgigate said:
you need backup the ROM to *.nb1 or *.nbf file, than using tools to add/delete file to *.nb1 , write the new file back to XDA ROM. it is fun to add/delete file to your personized ROM!
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this is quite interesting...can you elaborate further?? I wish to learn more...
cgigate said:
you need backup the ROM to *.nb1 or *.nbf file, than using tools to add/delete file to *.nb1 , write the new file back to XDA ROM. it is fun to add/delete file to your personized ROM!
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Yes, please! I wish to learn more too! I am looking to remove the standard sounds and replace them with my own (using same names) as well as the boot image and desktop.
yea, no kiddin, i'd like to know how too!
im sure its not impossible, 'they' did it the first time arround.
why not hacking it? and since its all at no charge (no profit) are we realy breaking any patents?
I wanted to know if there is an easy :wink: way around, to put our own programs in the rom. xda-developers certainly can't put ezwap2.5, and the total commander appears to be older version, while new version is much better. There are some more freeware application I'd love to put in there
xda-developers already posted some tools to do job, such as MKROM ...
cgigate said:
you need backup the ROM to *.nb1 or *.nbf file, than using tools to add/delete file to *.nb1 , write the new file back to XDA ROM. it is fun to add/delete file to your personized ROM!
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I'm interested too
How can i add/delete file from nb1 file?
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Fabio
I've used mkrom suite to do this (even for Smartphone2002). This are great tools.
Unfortunately it's not as easy as you might think. It's nearly impossible to build a ZERO-KNOWLEDGE ROM file explorer which can add or delete files "on the fly".
You will still have to look for valid gap's in the original rom where you can add a new XIP block.
All .exe and .dll files are "fixed up" that means they MUST run at THE fixed ROM position where they have been initially placed (execute in place). If you dump an exe or dll file you can't use it for other than disassembly to see how things work.
Removing files is a very hard task (they are splitted over the whole rom). And the resulting gap's are mostly not more than 10-16 kB. All you can do is to "hide" files (simply patch the directory entry).
So you see compression is not the real problem (see programers corner for a .bib file which can be used with romimage.exe - a Microsoft Tool to build XIP blocks, this tool supports compression)
John Smith
only the kernel actually runs in the virtual memory area mapped to rom,
all the other XIP stuff runs from a virtual memory area mapped somewhere
in the top of each processes memory space.
( look at the 'real=' values in the output of dumprom )
so for all the other modules it should be possible to move them around
in rom a bit, I think you only need to keep the pagealignment the same.
Hi,
The virtual memory address is also fixed in the module. (That's why I've to rebuild all the stuff I want to copy from other roms).
Since all relocation info is gone the module can't run from another memory position. So the only thing you can do is to move it in it's own XIP section...
John
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The Scoter Kitchen team is proud to release the first release of the kitchen. This kitchen incorporates all the tools used by Oki and the rest of the team to decode, modify, and rebuild ROMs. It includes a help system that is meant to be clear to new users, and useful to old pros. Of course, this is only the first release, and thus will have bugs, and areas in need of improvement. This Kitchen is based on Bepe's WM5 Kitchen, and many of his tools. Special thanks to Mamiach, itsme, machinagod, gmap, buzzlightyear, and many others. Oki started the initiative, and we in the team are grateful for allowing us the privilege of contributing. There are also many additional tools not directly used for general ROM analyzing that can be found throughout. The kitchen is designed to be sleek and clear for the new user, while still containing all relevant tools for every part of the build process. This post is one of many across multiple forums. We are opening up development to all, and ask for volunteer translators. We will coordinate through forums primarily, but later plan on PM's, e-mail, etc. to effectively coordinate further development of the Scoter Kitchen. In addition, the kitchen is designed to extract most HTC ROMs, but it has it's limitations in the tools included, and the outlined process which are in the help files. Again, this will become better implemented through the help of the community. Now though this Kitchen is designed primarily for the Scoter, we intend to make this kitchen the primary hub for all PDA customization across all WM5 platforms. This post will be posted on many forums, and since the team members communicate primarily w/ English, we ask that those respond to this thread in English, or at least include an English translation. As a last note, you are solely responsible for any damage to your device or computer that might result from the use of the Scoter Kitchen, or any of it's parts. The following posts are left blank and will be filled w/ info later. Here are the download links:
http://www.MegaShare.com/107480
http://rapidshare.com/files/15460590/Scoter_Kitchen_1.0.exe.html
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Jason
Kitchen Team Members
Oki
JKR
DwD
Theo - Greek translation
Nadavi
gerttom
Preaper
Friends of the kitchen
Bepe (done as much as any other member and is considered an incredible contributor, and even that doesn't give him enough credit)
Kinger
blueboy
Marshal
cyril - French translation
bakker_be - Dutch and German translation
kterz
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Jason
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Jason
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i had done a backup with ur utilites but the size of BDK0,BDK1 & BDTL0 is 0 byte why it is so ?????????? I stop here and wating for reply
to bad these dont work for the hermes .nb and .nbh files.. hopefully in the future it can be integrated..
shogunmark said:
to bad these dont work for the hermes .nb and .nbh files.. hopefully in the future it can be integrated..
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Yep, we plan to add the nbhextract to the tools. And as far as the backup utility, that only works for the Scoter. We don't own htc devices, so that why we've asked the community to fill in the gaps. The extraction is universal, since there will be back and forth on various ROMs. The ROM installer also only works for the scoter. So, some info on these and anything else that the HTC community would like added, just tell us how. We can't really test these things, so we rely on you guys. At some point, the installer will ask what device you have, and install apps that apply to your individual devices.
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Jason
thats cool.. integrating the the hermes stuff will be difficult at this time anyway since we dont have a good set process on everything, we are still fighting the possibility of bad nand blocks with some cooked roms.. Something that i think would be really cool would be a full blown GUI with all these features built in..
here's some release notes I posted over at Buzz's site
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4d45h said:
Questions.....
1. What is OS.bat. It says missing OS.bat when I click Cooker and start the build OS.
2. Where do you put pakages inside LOC(Bepe ways of cooking)
3. What is CEImage.bin? Is it the same as nk.nba base ROM Bepe ways.
Thanks and what a great tool.
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1. That is a file created when you decode a ROM. I'm not sure what exactly it is for, bepe could answer that.
2. You can't use the current Kitchen ROM archives. The Scoter Kitchen incororates some more advanced versions of bepe's apps. The best way to describe the current situation is that bepe's WM5 Kitchen is version 1.0, and the Scoter Kitchen is 2.0. Since bepe was a big part of the Scoter Kitchen development, this should make sense. Keep in mind that this is not ready to be a replacement to bepe's kitchen yet, because it is only setup for building ROMs for the Scoter. We released it to all for many reason: 1) To speed up the development of the Kitchen for use w/ other devices, 2) it currently seems to be the most complete set of tools and help files for decoding ROMs, 3) the help files have a lot of info that may be interesting to many users. Most notable tools from bepe that are in the Scoter Kitchen are: DMP2PKG.exe, and PKG2DMP.exe. These tools actually have their own UI's that are fairly impressive. So to answer you question, you'd need to decode your current ROM and then begin modify that. Oki is the ROM hacker on the team. Essentially what he does, is extract the drivers (in the OEM folder) from various ROMs for our device, picks the best ones, adds in the SYS files and then puts in the packages for various apps. Anyways, bepe combined the LOC and SYS folders together into the SYS folder. for aesthetic reasons, the SYS folder is referred to as the OS folder in the build room. This is only a short cut name, and actual folder is still called SYS and is located in the Utilities folder.
3. Yes, this is in the help files in file:///C:/Scoter%20Kitchen/Utilities/Tools/Excess%20stuff/J-Guide/Extraction%20Room.htm?zoom_highlight=.bin .nb, .bin, and .nba are handled in the same way. just copy the location i posted into your browser address box.
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Jason
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A few release notes. The install directory is C:\Scoter Kitchen. You will also see an uninstall script in c:\. This obviously uninstalls the Kitchen, everything is removed (including any work files in the kitchen) except the desktop shortcut. Also, since the imgfs tools are used so much by ROM cookers including myself, the Kitchen will place a copy of the imgfs tools in the %SystemRoot%\system32\ directory. This allows these tools to be opened by any command box w/o having to change directories. As you explore the kitchen you will see readme files in almost all folders, describing what is in that particular folder. Lastly, you will see like 15 command box shortcuts throughout the kitchen, this just makes things easier since their working DIR is the one they are placed in.
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Jason
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Nobody here seems to be too forthcoming w/ info about other devices. Now I could go and search for all this info on my own, but then I probably wouldn't have the time or energy to modify the kitchen accordingly. W/ that said, I'll list some specific questions.
1. What programs are required for installing ROMs on various devices, and what are the procedures?
2. Are other devices capable of changing just the CE image through the boot loader, or does this have to be done using itsme tools? And what is the procedure?
3. Is the page pool setting in the same address on all HTC ROMs, or does this vary from model to model?
4. Explain the whole IPL and radio rom issue.
5. What would you like added to this kitchen?
You could just point me to specific posts too. Like I said, the Kitchen is completely functional for us Scoter guy's, so we won't spend the hours and hours required to research this stuff, since we won't get any benefit. But if some direction is given, we are willing, and wanting to expand our kitchen for use w/ other devices.
Regards,
Jason
I thought that it is just for Mio, and a little more documentation to it will be nice, thanks
xplode said:
I thought that it is just for Mio, and a little more documentation to it will be nice, thanks
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Well it is fully functional for the Mio, but most all tools are here on this site. The two things specific to the Mio are the ROM backup utility, and the ROM update utility. Everything else applies to the HTC community. We are hoping that somebody will point us in the right direction for the equivalents of the two previously mentioned tools. Now as far as the documentation, yes, we plan to expand it. However, what specifically do you feel should be added?
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Jason
First of all, this's a very FANTASTIC tool!
In the BEPE's ROM Kitchen, there's an initflashfiles.txt file in the folder of each OEM apps which is used to create shotcut or copy/move files, its content will be combined with others into the initflashfiles.dat. Does this file still make sense in your kitchen?
BrightMoonHeart said:
First of all, this's a very FANTASTIC tool!
In the BEPE's ROM Kitchen, there's an initflashfiles.txt file in the folder of each OEM apps which is used to create shotcut or copy/move files, its content will be combined with others into the initflashfiles.dat. Does this file still make sense in your kitchen?
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yep
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Jason
@JKR
I have reach up to using the DMP2PKG.exe stage, which can see the files in the *.dsm (see attached pic).
How to extract the files in the *.dsm?
How do I use RECMOD.exe?
CWKJ said:
@JKR
I have reach up to using the DMP2PKG.exe stage, which can see the files in the *.dsm (see attached pic).
How to extract the files in the *.dsm?
How do I use RECMOD.exe?
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Hi,
You probably read the help files, huh? Yeah, those are dated, my bad. You don't actually have to touch DMP2PKG. The extract modules/files has dmp2pkg already scripted. At the time I wrote the help file, bepe didn't allow for command line commands. He has since, and I have scripted for it since. The following is an excerpt that I post over at Buzz's site.
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Ahhh, I see problem. the .dat file needs to be in one of the folders, the OEM one i think. When Oki (rom team member) creates a file set, he includes the .dat file in the same folder that mxip_lang.vol is in, on our device it's 6acba9af-b4de-c7a3-802b-91ff1f140caf, but is probably different on yours. Anyways, I'm not sure where you got the idea to drag those to the tools folder, if it's in the help file, please tell me where. I've just re-looked at the help files, and they are quite dated. I've added a lot of automation to the process. Sorry for that. The correct procedure to extract a rom and rebuild it is to extract a .bin, .nba, .nb, or .nb0 file from your rom image. Then drag it to the extract modules. Open in another window the build room. put the .dat file (if it was placed in the modules folder) in the OEM folder. Drag all the contents of the OEM folder to the OEM shortcut in the build room. Drag all the contents of the SYS folder to the OS shortcut. Place the .bin or equivalent file in the rom template folder, and place the boot.rgu file in the \rom template\xip folder. The boot.rgu may be different for different devices, so use one that works on your device. I don't remember where exactly we got ours from, but I think it may have been from bepe's file set for his kitchen. Now launch the cooker. In the end, you should have a .bin file in c:\Scoter kitchen, aka one level up from the build room. hmmm, looks complicated. This is in the help files, but like I said, I need to update them, we were anxious to release the kitchen, since it had been under development for so long.
Regards,
Jason
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As one more note, you probably wouldn't have to worry about the missing entries in the dmp2pkg interface. Probably just dated references from your ROM, it's a custom ROM?
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Jason
The rom is custom rom by Helmi, AKU3.5 v1.3, see my signature.
I will take sometime to digest you writings.
Still have not able to extract the *.dll, *.exe, *.hv, etc.
Will try adding & delete files later.
@JLR
I am back, manage to get some time to try the extract problem I faced.
Thanks, the extract works.
See the attached zip file of extracted files' directory list.
I have some questions,
1. what "<DIR> SYS" does, seems to have some *.dsm and some repeated DLLs.
2. If I do not need some *.exe, *.lnk, *.etc files, I just delete them?
3. How do I know that I fully deleted the files related to the feature that I do not want?
4. How do I know which corresponding *.dsm to be deleted?
5. How do I know which files goes to which directory in the \Windows\ of PPC?
6. How do I add files, how do I know what *.dsm to add and the name of the directories with very long string.
Questions please...
What is the importance of extracting files compared to extracting modules?
I have a base nbf file that I converted to nba file, that I want to modify to add the apps to build the ROM, I am confused as to which one I need, is it the files or the modules?
Great work! Thx for very useful tools!
What about map.txt support that helps to replace the GUIDs with the actual Package Names? I seen it in Bepe's kitchen...
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Jason
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I need help. I was able to run the cooker file without any errors. Now what?
How can I recreate the .nbf file? Where can I find it? Should I be looking at the DUMP folder?
-------> Is POSSIBLE to put ADOBE and POWERPOINT in MEMORY CARD to increase space??
Is possible to cut Power Point (2,29 mb) and AdobePDFreader(1,91mb) from the main memory and put them into the memory card??
It would increse a lot main memory space...
Experts, let me know if it's possible....
And what about all the files called "HH_WEATHER...", I have an other program fot meteo forecasts, so I don't use the original one... Is it possible remove all these files?? (I think that they are all images, I only opened a few, and they were all forecast images...)
BYE BYE......
the things you mentioned is probably burned into rom - you won't be able to remove it.
ww2250 said:
the things you mentioned is probably burned into rom - you won't be able to remove it.
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Yes, I know..
But I lose the warranty if I install a cooked rom....
If my device in future won't work correctly (or don't work at all) I wouldn't be able to put the original rom back??
Alternative Solution
You could compress the two executables with UPX and use Resco Explorer to overwrite them in the ROM. That won't save you as much space as moving them to external memory, but by compressing the files, you will save a decent amount of space.
tyr0ne said:
You could compress the two executables with UPX and use Resco Explorer to overwrite them in the ROM. That won't save you as much space as moving them to external memory, but by compressing the files, you will save a decent amount of space.
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Actually that will use MORE space. If the files are in ROM they arent using any of you Program RAM. If you overwrite the ROM files like this the new files will be in RAM!!!
flykthewiz said:
Actually that will use MORE space. If the files are in ROM they arent using any of you Program RAM. If you overwrite the ROM files like this the new files will be in RAM!!!
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Are you sure about that??
Do you mean that, if I compress these files, when I replaced the originale ones with the newest, the pocket pc places them into the ram and not the rom??
How is possible it??
So I can do this operation or not?
I would be happy if only I had 2/3 mb more....
flykthewiz said:
Actually that will use MORE space. If the files are in ROM they arent using any of you Program RAM. If you overwrite the ROM files like this the new files will be in RAM!!!
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Anyone know this inconveniet??
the only thing is with anything that you add to your ppc after initialization... it stores it to the ram, not the rom, you would have to actually cook a similar rom to your original rom to have the new stuff in there, and all you would have to do is get the official ruu for your device before you call back in, and you are good to go, thats what i do!
MrGalione973 said:
the only thing is with anything that you add to your ppc after initialization... it stores it to the ram, not the rom, you would have to actually cook a similar rom to your original rom to have the new stuff in there, and all you would have to do is get the official ruu for your device before you call back in, and you are good to go, thats what i do!
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Ok, perfect...
I think that in the future I'll try a cooked rom, I know that it increase the space, a lot!
The only thing that worried me is the following:
If I have to repair the device, I must put the original rom back, but if I can't do it (ex my device doesn't start correctly)?
I had a Nokia N73 brand with my operator Tim, I have unbrand it (knowing to lose the warranty), but some months ago I must bring it to a Nokia Center, to repair.
And they don't see nothing about the difference between the original Imei and the actual one (that are different because you must do that to update yur firmware)....
flykthewiz said:
Actually that will use MORE space. If the files are in ROM they arent using any of you Program RAM. If you overwrite the ROM files like this the new files will be in RAM!!!
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So u mean it's possible to replace a ROM file in the windows dir with another?
If so, HOW... i want to replace smartdialing.dll in my htc elf with another one that's patched containing another language(greek) but it doesn't seem to work.
Any help on this one?
larryg4 said:
So u mean it's possible to replace a ROM file in the windows dir with another?
If so, HOW... i want to replace smartdialing.dll in my htc elf with another one that's patched containing another language(greek) but it doesn't seem to work.
Any help on this one?
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He talks about replace the file with resco explorer....
I think that you only have to copy the new file and paste it into the windows directory with resco....
Isnt it possible just to copy the program files to memory card and change the registry settings for those apps to point to new location?
jem777 said:
Isnt it possible just to copy the program files to memory card and change the registry settings for those apps to point to new location?
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I would want know exactly this thing....
Anyone know??
jem777 said:
Isnt it possible just to copy the program files to memory card and change the registry settings for those apps to point to new location?
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Some programs are hardcoded with paths in "\windows" directory - by moving stuffs around, things may break. Many programs that are expected to be in ROM fall in this class.
But then even if you are successful in "copying" it elsewhere, you won't be able to delete what's already in ROM. Overwriting it is just an masking action. ROM is ROM - follow me, Read Only Memory. Thus no memory is saved whatsoever.
Unless you flash it somehow.
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Some programs are hardcoded with paths in "\windows" directory - by moving stuffs around, things may break. Many programs that are expected to be in ROM fall in this class.
But then even if you are successful in "copying" it elsewhere, you won't be able to delete what's already in ROM. Overwriting it is just an masking action. ROM is ROM - follow me, Read Only Memory. Thus no memory is saved whatsoever.
Unless you flash it somehow.
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Ok, I understand the problem..
Tell me only the last thing....
If I copy the files to the memory card and then I create some shortcuts to these files, and replace them into the windows folder, do you think that they'll work or not??
When the pocket pc try to use them, It'll find the shortcut(and not the program itself) but this will direct the pocket pc to the program itself....
Would it work??
If I copy the files to the memory card and then I create some shortcuts to these files, and replace them into the windows folder, do you think that they'll work or not??
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If I copy the files to the memory card and then I create some shortcuts to these files, and replace them into the windows folder, do you think that they'll work or not??
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Noone know if it would run??
re-read my earller post. the answer is there already. if you find it difficult to understand, why don't you try it out yourself? it's incredibly simple.
Is it possibile? I heared that custom ROM are protected...is it?
So it's not possible to havea dump of a custom ROM starting from a nbh file?
modules are protected, you cant use them. But you can use anything else. Look for HTC ROM Image editor. That will be the easiest way to extract files from a cooked ROM.
I tried just now...after loading the nbh file...nothing...it seems to be nothing, even with a not cooked ROM (a stock one)
You tried what?
Protection depends on the cooking method. ROMs built with old tools could be dumped no problem, but ROMs cooked with most new tools can not be fully dumped to a rebuildable state. The real question is, what exactly are you trying to get from the dump? If you just want a few files, that should be easy enough. If you want complete packages, that's trickier.
I tried to use HTC ROM Image editor, but it seems not work...
I need a complete dump because I'm tired to reinstall everytime my favorite apps and settings after a reset, so I would like to remove programs I do not use and add my favorite ones!
The ROM editor should work with any ROM for HTC devices. I think you are out of luck with getting a full dump from a custom. If I were you, I would just learn to cook your own.
Eheh...may I could be able to do a very mine ROM, but for some features...mmm...too much time to learn too much things...
Lazy me!!!
Talk to your rom chef, and see if they will share their kitchen for personal use. Which rom is it?
Da_G put together a kitchen a while ago called Dump Kitchen (I think). There's a thread in the Raphael rom forum. It lets you dump and rebuild roms, and i you know what you're doing, it's pretty easy to add apps and a little trickier to remove them (might as well just cook your own at that point). Just search for it; I think you can re-cook roms built with newer tools.
Farmer Ted said:
Da_G put together a kitchen a while ago called Dump Kitchen (I think). There's a thread in the Raphael rom forum. It lets you dump and rebuild roms, and i you know what you're doing, it's pretty easy to add apps and a little trickier to remove them (might as well just cook your own at that point). Just search for it; I think you can re-cook roms built with newer tools.
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I doubt you would be able to use the modules, but I could be wrong.
Here's the link. I'm pretty sure it works with newer roms.
The bottom line is that any rom built with platformrebuilder (EVK etc) cannot be dumped into complete packages. Platformrebuilder deletes the dsm files which associates the files into packages and it also deletes the rgu/reg files which are the registry entries for each package. Not to mention it also deletes the last s00? file in modules making modules impossible to rebuild. According to bepe the only function of the last s00? file in a module is to make it rebuildable so it's practically useless to the module.
Bepe designed platformrebuilder this way not to make roms "protected", but to save space in the rom and increase module speed (by decreasing module size). There's no way around it.
Edit: it appears the tool Farmer Ted posted is used to dump a rom, add files/reg entries to it, then rebuild a flashable nbh.
So it means...it's impossibile to do what I need...yuhuuu...
zat81 said:
So it means...it's impossibile to do what I need...yuhuuu...
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Just try the micro-kitchen. You can dump roms, but all you get is the raw dump. Removing apps will be tricky-you will need to know all the files that have to be pulled out. But, it's pretty easy to edit .hv files, so you can remove reg keys or change them however you wish. You can also add anything you want, it's not that hard to do.
I think I'm going to start learning something usefull..."cook for dummies"...eheh...I've read some guide, tutorials and...maybe...could be not so difficult as I thought...I've just to start from a good base kitchen!
A good place to start....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=669414
zat81 said:
I think I'm going to start learning something usefull..."cook for dummies"...eheh...I've read some guide, tutorials and...maybe...could be not so difficult as I thought...I've just to start from a good base kitchen!
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zat81 said:
So it means...it's impossibile to do what I need...yuhuuu...
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Yes thats what we are trying to tell you..lol
yep in newer Kitchens roms and dumps.. there isnt a way to make what you want... you must to talk to your chef and ask him for special rom for you with that info... and or apps i didi many of them to ppl that like sthe version... but sometimes vanilla or with PIM info... if he sahres with you the kitchen... you will be so lucky, just load the rom and deselect the apps you dont want then add yours and your info, but that you must to learn how... to add that... you must to learn and read is not so simple
Just a small note to add to this:
The last S00X section in a module is the .CRELOC section. This is used to relocate the module on-device (not used to relocate the module on the PC, in the kitchen, where we do it prior to flashing)
Not having the last s00x means that you wouldn't be able to imageupdate that ROM (because the on-device read/write IMGFS driver would not be able to re-base the module since .CRELOC is missing)
But you can certainly still re-base that module on the PC side prior to rebuilding a ROM. So that function in itself won't preclude you from porting modules from one device to another
Dumping a Rom with the Vistang-Kitchen works for beginners in cooking very simple:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6019219&postcount=499
ATT ships at least some of their Windows Mobile phones with a pre-populated contact list to a bunch of their services.
It is probably pim.vol which is not in the pda.bin, but is found in the root of the storage system after startup.
The goal is to have a blank contact list after hard reset or burning.
Is this something that can be accomplished in one of the control files during cooking or is it possibly a case of overwriting a default pim.vol that is copied from the extended rom during hard reset? The data does not appear to be in any of the *.rgu, *.xml, initflashfiles.dat, *.provxml files.
This is the last trace of ATT customisation in the current custom rom and it would be nice to get rid of it.
AT&T stores them in the file default_contacts.xml
I don't remember which OEM folder it is in, but you should be able to find it. I just create a blank file with the same name and store it in my personal EXT folder. That way it overwrite the AT&T file.
Thanks for your quick reply.
There is no file named default_contacts.xml in the dump here.
The dump is of the pda.bin only because that is all that is available for that version in vanilla factory form.
When you say "OEM folder" is that in some other area of the rom?
Are you cooking a ROM or what exactly are you trying to do?
In the kitchen, the file is in the OEM\<Device Name>\OEM\409\OperatorPkg folder.
If you can't see the file in your kitchen, make sure you have your file explorer set to show all hidden files as well.
I can assure you that the file is there in my kitchen and I just dumped it from the new Tlit2 ROM. Was also there in the original stock ROM for the Tilt2
I'm cooking a pda.bin which is loaded using USDL Grandprix.
The source is a dump from a Samsung Epix device, not the update file.
This is because it is an Omnia kitchen which does not seem to know everything about the file structure, but is able to cope with the pda.bin in both directions when supplied with an OS.NB from a rom dump.
Exploder is showing all files with hidden and system attributes. attrib.exe was also used to double check for the existence of the file in the entire tree.
There is no OEM directory.
If the OEM directory actually represents another partition on the flash, then which one?
All WinMo devices are similar. Find where all the pplication packages are (EXT) and there shoud be one with all the AT&T customization.
DJGonzo said:
All WinMo devices are similar. Find where all the pplication packages are (EXT) and there shoud be one with all the AT&T customization.
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Well of course they are. They all start with the same code base from Microsoft.
The point of the question is to find out whether the files are in a partiition that the software has not managed to dump.
Post your stock rom and/or dump please.
plumsauce said:
Well of course they are. They all start with the same code base from Microsoft.
The point of the question is to find out whether the files are in a partiition that the software has not managed to dump.
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Post a dump then buddy.
What you should do is just look in the \windows folder (you can flash the rom, right?) and then just copy out all of the provxml's and xml's. Look through them, and you'll probably find the one that's buggering up pim.vol. My guess is that it will have a name suggestive of its purpose.
If you have mortscript, then you can just do it automatically with this script:
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XCopy("\Windows\*.provxml","\Temp\",TRUE,TRUE)
XCopy("\Windows\*.xml","\Temp\",TRUE,TRUE)
They'll end up in the temp folder; you can copy them to a pc and then open all of them up and search for the contact names.
Farmer Ted said:
What you should do is just look in the \windows folder (you can flash the rom, right?) and then just copy out all of the provxml's and xml's. Look through them, and you'll probably find the one that's buggering up pim.vol. My guess is that it will have a name suggestive of its purpose.
If you have mortscript, then you can just do it automatically with this script:
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XCopy("\Windows\*.provxml","\Temp\",TRUE,TRUE)
XCopy("\Windows\*.xml","\Temp\",TRUE,TRUE)
They'll end up in the temp folder; you can copy them to a pc and then open all of them up and search for the contact names.
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Yes, flashed it 20+ times yesterday while debugging
The latest is that there are a couple of mxip*.xml files that appear in the root of the pda storage area. The content has not been looked at yet because it was discovered at the end of the session. But, one of them is mxip_initdb.xml. As you said, "highly suggestive". These files are not part of the dump. So, they must be getting copied or written by a process instead of being static.
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actually, they are in the dump, just not *.xml, they are *.vol.
binary format, so I guess I'll have to troll around in there using a hex editor.
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The device already has a tricky piece of code. It runs a process on cold restarts that rewrites imei* files. The trick is to disable the process. Then, modified imei* files will work properly without being overwritten.
There are also some registry entries that cannot be touched on a flash/restart because there are insufficent permissions at the time. Entries that are known to work after reg unlocking will fail to work at that stage. Touching any one of the restricted entries with a mxip* file will fail everything in the whole file.
DJGonzo said:
Post a dump then buddy.
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And what would you look for in the dump?
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And what would you look for in the dump?
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The stuff you've missed.
indagroove said:
The stuff you've missed.
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wouldn't it be more productive to at least describe what area to look in?
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wouldn't it be more productive to at least describe what area to look in?
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You are saying that your stock device rom is different than most. Other chefs have already described what to look for. You have been offered help to look through the rom and the dump, but you seem to be declining the offers, so never mind.
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You are saying that your stock device rom is different than most. Other chefs have already described what to look for. You have been offered help to look through the rom and the dump, but you seem to be declining the offers, so never mind.
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I have said that there are differences between devices. That would hardly be surprising. When someone says look for file "x" and it is not there, that would be a difference. It is then fair game to ask if whether it might be stored in one of the other partitions which has not been dumped.
If someone has said that they have checked from the root of the dump and double checked using a second tool, then that assertion is likely valid.
If you have no specific file or files to look for, then so be it.
Hi,
I have a really strange problem.
I have two HTC HERMES, one good that I use and a second that I use only fot test purposes because it's not in good conditions.
I cook ROMs with "ROMDonalds Kitchen" and I have neved had any problem.
Since yesterday, every new ROM I cook, I have this problem:
if I don't edit "default.hv" the cooked ROM goes well in both my HERMES, but if I edit it, the ROM can only be loaded on the second HERMES (the one not in good conditions).
In the other HERMES after flashing, when I make the reset or even the hard-reset, the ROM begins to boot but then stops after the first splash-screen and the screen becames white.
I always flash from SD (hermimg.nbh).
What can be the problem?
Can be a problem of the good HERMES of the two I have?
Can be a difference in hardware between the good HERMES, even if they are identical from outside?
Many thanks !
Hi,
I don't understand why you need to edit default.hv but probably you have your reason.
It's better to leave it untouched to my opinion.
To edit the registry you can edit the .rgu in the specific package or create
a new package with the new registry overwriting the first package registry.
The second suggestion you can keep your tweaks in every rom you cook and switch the stock packages more easy.
What you are writing is indeed weird but this way you avoid errors in the .hv files.
Edit; btw, because Hermes is a pretty old device I'm asuming the kitchen you use is still using .rgu instead of .reg in the packages, latest kitchens mostly use .reg
.rgu and .reg files are same and containing the registry.
Grtz,
Laurentius26
yeah its true, what do you change in the d.hv? maybe you can tell us, what about to use another kitchen? or do your changes in app.reg ext pkgs or in oem packages to void edit it
I edit .hv files when I add or remove programs from the ROM.
I've tried also Ervius kitchen but when I try to dump my ROMs It gives me some errors...the only kitchen I was able to use is RomDonald's..
Can You suggest me another good one?
Thanks
Airxtreme's Oskitchen or Barin's OSbuilder, they are both in Chef Central here.
You don't need to edit .hv files as when you remove the package all registry of that package will be gone too.
eryunt said:
I edit .hv files when I add or remove programs from the ROM.
I've tried also Ervius kitchen but when I try to dump my ROMs It gives me some errors...the only kitchen I was able to use is RomDonald's..
Can You suggest me another good one?
Thanks
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I dont think ROMDonalds processes rgu files. If I remember correct, you have edit the hive files to use that kitchen.
Wow, that's gotta be a huge pain in the butt.
ai6908 said:
I dont think ROMDonalds processes rgu files. If I remember correct, you have edit the hive files to use that kitchen.
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Yes, It is correct.
But the strange thing is that only one of the two Hermes I have, accepts the ROM after I edit the .hv files...
The question is:
Is there a separate memory where the hive is stored, and can this memory be faulty in one of my Hermes?
eryunt said:
...Is there a separate memory where the hive is stored, and can this memory be faulty in one of my Hermes?...
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If you mean the fixed address - the answer is No. *.hv are files and files do not have the fixed address.
I've tried also Ervius Visual Kichen, but when I dump my ROM It gives me these two errors:
1- "Xipkernel's DSM not found! I'll create new...Maybe protected XIP (not portable !!!)"
2- "Boo.rgu in xip not found!Create new...But maybe ROM will be NON BOOTABLE !!!)"
What's wrong?
Thanks for all the answers You provide !
XDA, really a great Community !!!
Hi,
I don't know what you are doing to setup Ervius?
Are you importing a new stock rom into the kitchen?
The errors you can check:
Ervius kitchen/Rom/Shared/'Sys build'/MSXipkernel/
boot.rgu and the .dsm should be there.
Without boot.rgu and the dsm the rom won't boot.
Are all your desktop system files unhidden and vissible?
eryunt said:
I've tried also Ervius Visual Kichen, but when I dump my ROM It gives me these two errors:
1- "Xipkernel's DSM not found! I'll create new...Maybe protected XIP (not portable !!!)"
2- "Boo.rgu in xip not found!Create new...But maybe ROM will be NON BOOTABLE !!!)"
What's wrong?
Thanks for all the answers You provide !
XDA, really a great Community !!!
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The visualization of hidden files is active in my PC, and I am trying to import a NON STOCK ROM to add or remove packages.
Ervius kithchen gives me the errors I described, and also OSKitchen gives me errors..
Can these kitchens import only STOCK ROMs?
I used ROMDonald's kitchen because It was able to edit a ROM that was already cooked...but the editing of .hv files is wrong...
I advise you to use a stock rom as you can test if everything is working ok.
After this you can do your modifications.
I know it's a bit of work but the advantage is to use a new kitchen which is much more configurable.
Editing .hv files isn't that good, but we talked about that already.
Another tip, I always zip my kitchen after I know a configuration is working and I flashed the rom succsesvol, before I continue to the next step.
eryunt said:
The visualization of hidden files is active in my PC, and I am trying to import a NON STOCK ROM to add or remove packages.
Ervius kithchen gives me the errors I described, and also OSKitchen gives me errors..
Can these kitchens import only STOCK ROMs?
I used ROMDonald's kitchen because It was able to edit a ROM that was already cooked...but the editing of .hv files is wrong...
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eryunt said:
Yes, It is correct.
But the strange thing is that only one of the two Hermes I have, accepts the ROM after I edit the .hv files...
The question is:
Is there a separate memory where the hive is stored, and can this memory be faulty in one of my Hermes?
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It doesnt make sense why one device would run it, and the other one dont! Are you sure the hive files do not have any errors?
Try to flash a stock ROM first, then flash the cooked one. I know hermes has ext storage, and that can through errors...
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It doesnt make sense why one device would run it, and the other one dont! Are you sure the hive files do not have any errors?
Try to flash a stock ROM first, then flash the cooked one. I know hermes has ext storage, and that can through errors...
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That's the point...It's a nonsense..
I've already tried to flash stock ROM on both devices before flashing the cooked ROM, but It's always the same nonsense, one loads the ROM, the other doesn't...
At this point only a malfunction or a difference in hardware between my two devices could explain this strange behaviour
Don't know how to solve...
are you trying to recook my roms? hahaha just kiddin
everybody knows that we don thave bootable and full dumped roms from customized ones, due to DSMsif you want to make a roms looks like or be something like a... i recommend to ask for the kitchen many retired chefs on Legacy devices can share it to you or just dump the rom and xtract the things you want
but make your own Stock OEM an set good your Native Kernel