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switching off GPRS but not GSM

Another dumb question I'm sure but heh thats what this place is for, so those who know can tell those of us who dont!
How do I turn of the GPRS element of the wireless radio but still leave the phone on. On my XDA 1 I'd dial up via gprs for emai/web then when I'd finished I'd disconnect, leaving the GSMN phone on in the background. with the II when I dial up via gprs the only way to disconnect is to turn the whole 'wireless radio' off then turn the phone back on...not ideal.
Or am I missing the point!

it's the same on XDA I with WM2003 ... you can press the red button for 3 seconds and the GPRS will be down leaving the phone running ... or you can use this nice s/w http://www.gb-soft.cz/XDAII/default.htm
Good luck ...

Turning off GPRS
To turn off GPRS Point and Hold your stylus on the O2 icon until your connection settings pop out and untick the connection.
Hope this Help.

How to disconnect the "Always On' GPRS in WM2003

Some questions about the "ALWAYS ON" GPRS connection in WM2003 (device = imate aka XDA II)
1. Does it consume extra battery life if the GPRS is alawys on?
2. When I'm connected but not actively doing anything (upload/download), does the device keep communicating with the service provider? i.e. sending control information back and forth even when i am actively not using it?
3. If the GPRS connection is active, are there any chances my phone reception or the phone's ability to get a phone call/SMS/MMS is adversely affected? I dont want people not to be able to contact me or send sms/mms because my phone is always connected on GPRS.
4. Once the GPRS connection is made, and i'm done doing my "thing", how do I disconnect? Cause currently I have no way of disconnecting.

1 yes like your phone use more power when you speak in your phone it use lot more power then not using it
2 a bit not too much
3 it should not
4 www.GB-SOFT.cz/xdaII should add some features

humayunl said:
Some questions about the "ALWAYS ON" GPRS connection in WM2003 (device = imate aka XDA II)
4. Once the GPRS connection is made, and i'm done doing my "thing", how do I disconnect? Cause currently I have no way of disconnecting.
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Press and hold the Red Disconnect button for several seconds (Approx. 3 Sec) and it will disconnect.
Dustoff

humayunl said:
Some questions about the "ALWAYS ON" GPRS connection in WM2003 (device = imate aka XDA II)
4. Once the GPRS connection is made, and i'm done doing my "thing", how do I disconnect? Cause currently I have no way of disconnecting.
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Press and hold the Red Disconnect button for several seconds (Approx. 3 Sec) and it will disconnect.
Dustoff

Mind you, I use an MDA I.
as far as I know, the only way to get off and stay off GPRS is to go to settings->system->memmory->running programs and close anything that might use it (mailbox, IE, etc...)
If the signal indicator says it's connected to GPRS, then yes, you are actively connected to the tower/cell network. Sending info constantly, I don't know?????
GPRS effecting other network connectiveity???? I've heard yay and nay and have no professional opinion. Personally, I have no problems recieving a call, sms, etc... while connected to GPRS.
As far as power consumption, I would assume yes, it sucks up power. I have noticed about a 15% increase in power consumption using the web for an hour or so per day as well as automaticly checking email once every 45 minutes.
I also recently discovered a beautiful little prog that I cooked into my MDA I OS. PocketNav. It allows you to switch programs, close certain ones with only two "clicks", or all the progs at once, etc.... Check it out!!! It will be worth your time (I don't know where to get it other than stephan's kitchen).
Good luck!

gsm and sms should disable grps while it's using the band
but not cause problems
there is also the program PHM task manager
which is pretty much a copy of the task manager in windows 2k and xp so if people know and like that then it's a good program

Dustoff said:
humayunl said:
Some questions about the "ALWAYS ON" GPRS connection in WM2003 (device = imate aka XDA II)
4. Once the GPRS connection is made, and i'm done doing my "thing", how do I disconnect? Cause currently I have no way of disconnecting.
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Press and hold the Red Disconnect button for several seconds (Approx. 3 Sec) and it will disconnect.
Dustoff
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He Dustoff,
Great stuff! Worked fine for me. Thanks.
Ronald

Dustoff,
Where is the Red dsiconnect button I am supposed to press and hold?
I am using WM2003 and after Iam connected, i havent been able to find any place where there is any disconnect option. in the connection bubble all i can see is that i am "connected" but there is nowhere for me to disconnect.
Can you please let me know where you find this disconnect option.
thanks

Red disconnect button
It is simply the red button of the telephone.
On another hand, if someone calls you exactly in the same moment when yours GPRS is fully active downloading something (a big picture, a long message, ...), you may appear as "unavailable"

Rudegar said:
4 www.GB-SOFT.cz/xdaII should add some features
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Hi.
I have not tried the above software yet, but here is the problem I have...
I use Wi-Fi a lot at home and quite often keep the Wi-Fi on and use WiFiFoFum away from home. I have managed to set up my pay as you go GPRS connection. But whenever I'm away from a Wi-Fi network the GPRS connects and my applications then access the internet.
There needs to be an option of "not connecting gprs automatically when there is no Wi-Fi connection."
What I have had to do is change one of the setting for the gprs so it cant connect, and I have to change it back when I need it.
Switching from Wi-Fi to gprs can cost a lot if things connect without me knowing. It costs £3 for a months use of 1Mb.
Regards,
Ian Watson

creating a phantom connection, and "picking" it as default may be slightly quicker than changing the settings of you primary connection.

I think holding down the HANGUP/STOP button for 2-3 seconds is the fastest and easiest way.

interestingfellow said:
creating a phantom connection, and "picking" it as default may be slightly quicker than changing the settings of you primary connection.
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I have found where I can stop it from connecting the GPRS if it cant get a wi-fi conncetion. Connections icon on the connections tab, then the advanced tab, then the select networks button - "programs that automaticall connect to the internet..........". I have changed this from gprs to my isp.
Ian

xda2i... Gprs always on??

I have just recently got a Xda2i.
Every time I turn it on, i find the gprs enabled.
I have had my old xda2 for more than a year now and this has never happened before.
I am just worried that I am gong to get a shock on my next bill. :shock:
I know that it may use a few bytes here and there, but it tends to add up after a while.
The only way I can stop it from doing this is to go into flight mode. Whats the point of having a xda if the phone is always off? :?
maybe I have changed some gprs settings?
Concerned,
Frogger

The "G" sign at the top of the screen does not mean you are connected to GPRS all the time.
It simply means you are in a GPRS area of the network, so GPRS is available when you need it and connect by tapping the "G" symbol.

lydiachris, or maybe someone else can tell me how to make a disconnect after I've get connected to the Internet over GPRS. In WM2003 (not SE) there is a button Disconnect, but in 2003 SE there is only Hide button... so How can I disconnect from GPRS without tourning on Flight Mode?
Exept Press and hold Hang up Button. :roll:

Hi Lydiachris, please could you tell me where to get hold of the "I-Mate PDA2 ROM:v 1.11.144 WWE " rom. I have looked everywhere and can't seem to find a link. Cheers...

Frogger said:
I have just recently got a Xda2i.
Every time I turn it on, i find the gprs enabled.
I have had my old xda2 for more than a year now and this has never happened before.
I am just worried that I am gong to get a shock on my next bill. :shock:
I know that it may use a few bytes here and there, but it tends to add up after a while.
The only way I can stop it from doing this is to go into flight mode. Whats the point of having a xda if the phone is always off? :?
maybe I have changed some gprs settings?
Concerned,
Frogger
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I think if you hold down the hang up button it disconnects the gprs,
it had me wondering for a while.
R

GeoKVANt said:
lydiachris, or maybe someone else can tell me how to make a disconnect after I've get connected to the Internet over GPRS. In WM2003 (not SE) there is a button Disconnect, but in 2003 SE there is only Hide button... so How can I disconnect from GPRS without tourning on Flight Mode?
Exept Press and hold Hang up Button. :roll:
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But there ist no other way without extra software. PhoneAlarm 1.22 for example brings back the diconnect-button. Or use the taskbar-icon from SPB GPRS-monitor, it also got a gprs disconnect button and shows you all gprs stats. But only the full version does that, not that gprs-monitor coming from exROM (T-Mobile).

Here is very good application it adds missing disconnect button and few more options just place it in windows folder make soft reset and go to settings/system/GB-SOFT Tweak enjoy :wink:

Forcing GPRS to disconnect - O2 XDA mini s

Anyone know how I can force my mini s to disconnect from GPRS after it has checked my email?
Si.

press and hold the red phone button (hang up) for about 5 seconds - you should see it switch from GPRS (small [G] icon) to 'GPRS Available' (large [G] icon)

I'd rather it did it automatically - so I can leave it alone all day and it will connect to check now and again then disconnect.

same problem here. is there a fix?
also when i have forgot to disconnect am i paying for gprs? or is it just any content i download?
cheers.

GPRS is paid for by data usage, not connection... so you can leave it connected (so long as nothing is downloading in the background!)
V

cheers vijay, but have you got a workaround for original question?
on my old c500 when i had finished getting mail it automatically switched itself off.are we missing something?

vijay... unfortunately, at least on my Qtek 9100, there's always some data sent.. very infrequently, but over a day of no activity, the GPRS Monitor application that came with it reported 200KB traffic. So I always make sure to disconnect regardless

ZeBoxx: it doesn't surprise me. At least in theory, you only pay for data transfer on GPRS, not time connected like on dialup. However, I think activesync is an unpredictable beast at bet. I never use GPRS - so for me, to ensure I'm completely disconnected I use a dummy grps account.
futuresbright: I'm working on a set of such tools, but I believe there's already a command line tool to disconnect GPRS. I haven't made one yet that will automatically disconnect after checking email. I have to work on a related app, so I will try to look into the question, but I can't promise any time frame I'm afraid
V

Yeah, the monitor comes with a little icon on the Today Screen with which you can explicitly enable/disable GPRS as well. So obviously it can be done by external software

GPRS disconnect on O2 XDA mini S
If I tap the GPRS icon on the top bar when I have a GPRS connection up, I get an option to disconnect it (and it works!). I too don't like the thought of racking up data calls even though it is supposed to be packets switched not circuit switched.

no worries vijay,thanks for your time.
will just have to remember to switch off manually for now.

GPRS always auto disconnects after some time

I found a lot of posts where people ask for auto disconnect. My problem is the other way round: When I connect with GPRS after some 5 minutes or so my QTEK S200 disconnects by itself. This might be caused by the cab file MP_autoDisconnect_EnableDRM_prophetUA(AKU2.0)_060112.cab which I found in enhanced ROM?
I don't want to hard reset to see the effect this cab not beeing installed. Any ideas to help???

I have the same problem... lets see if anyone knows how to enable GPRS for longer then only 6 minutes.

I have the same problem... lets see if anyone knows how to enable GPRS for longer then only 6 minutes.

it's because of your mobile operator. i've the same sh.t here. it keeps disconnecting after 5-10 minutes and the traffic rounds up. and i have to pay more... i've a hima, my friend's SE W800 - same crap, keeps disconnecting. i'm sick of GSM networks, they're getting old and do not meet modern speed and reliability requirements. so i'm afraid we'll just have to wait until WiMAX or something else comes to replace an old man. cheers

You might wanna try this from wiki here:
If you want your GPRS (or EDGE) connection to always be on, set the following:
HKLM\Comm\ConnMgr\Providers\{7C4B7A38-5FF7-4bc1-80F6-5DA7870BB1AA}\|gprs connection name|\AlwaysOn = 1 (DWORD decimal)
And to turn it off:
HKLM\Comm\ConnMgr\Providers\{7C4B7A38-5FF7-4bc1-80F6-5DA7870BB1AA}\|gprs connection name|\AlwaysOn = 0 (DWORD decimal)
Note that |gprs connection name| will depend on the name you've given your GPRS connection
I'm on tmobile web n walk, so its a pain to wait for gprs to reconnect everytime.... I've just started using this for about a day, but looks ok so far... try it... see if its the magic ur looking for

zep said:
it's because of your mobile operator. i've the same sh.t here. it keeps disconnecting after 5-10 minutes and the traffic rounds up. and i have to pay more... i've a hima, my friend's SE W800 - same crap, keeps disconnecting. i'm sick of GSM networks, they're getting old and do not meet modern speed and reliability requirements. so i'm afraid we'll just have to wait until WiMAX or something else comes to replace an old man. cheers
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I don't think it's connected to the provider as I know enough people using the same provider where GPRS stays connected a long time. The only difference we have is the PPC. I will try jamichy's solution later this week when I will be back home. In the meantime Craic Dub - does it solve the problem on your side?

jamichy said:
You might wanna try this from wiki here:
If you want your GPRS (or EDGE) connection to always be on, set the following:
HKLM\Comm\ConnMgr\Providers\{7C4B7A38-5FF7-4bc1-80F6-5DA7870BB1AA}\|gprs connection name|\AlwaysOn = 1 (DWORD decimal)
And to turn it off:
HKLM\Comm\ConnMgr\Providers\{7C4B7A38-5FF7-4bc1-80F6-5DA7870BB1AA}\|gprs connection name|\AlwaysOn = 0 (DWORD decimal)
Note that |gprs connection name| will depend on the name you've given your GPRS connection
I'm on tmobile web n walk, so its a pain to wait for gprs to reconnect everytime.... I've just started using this for about a day, but looks ok so far... try it... see if its the magic ur looking for
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O.k. I couldn't wait and tested today. Now the connection seems to stay as long as you do not stop it.
But: It connects automatically to GPRS when you connect the phone to your provider. That's not really what I wanted. In other countries this will create extreme roaming costs.
Any other idea on how to stop this auto connect? Even using phonealarm's "do not start GPRS automatically" does not help, again it starts connecting when you dial in your Phone PIN.

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Seems the Reg Hack is not a brilliant idea... I have setup my device to power off display after 2min... when i press power button to come out of standby, it freezes the device for abt 40 to 50 sec
Its worse when i get an incoming call, the screen is on but does not respond to touch or pressing green button...
So i changed registry back... and bingo, everythings ok again....
But now, i've found another way, a little freeware app that does all I want and more, and you get the option to choose connect gprs on boot or connect when needed... etc... take a look at:
http://www.gb-soft.cz/XDAII/product_gprs_tweak_wm5pe_en.htm
I'm using now, and seems ok

jamichy said:
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Seems the Reg Hack is not a brilliant idea... I have setup my device to power off display after 2min... when i press power button to come out of standby, it freezes the device for abt 40 to 50 sec
Its worse when i get an incoming call, the screen is on but does not respond to touch or pressing green button...
So i changed registry back... and bingo, everythings ok again....
But now, i've found another way, a little freeware app that does all I want and more, and you get the option to choose connect gprs on boot or connect when needed... etc... take a look at:
http://www.gb-soft.cz/XDAII/product_gprs_tweak_wm5pe_en.htm
I'm using now, and seems ok
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Sounds interesting. Still difficult for me to understand what it really does:
- What means "search GPRS [G] on start radio"
- What means "start [G] on start GPRS
- What means "Switch GRPS always On/Off hold till for following connection"
Can you tell me what it does non your side? Im a startting to hesitate trying to many things. I am still not convinced of WM5 - I installed GPS pgrs monitor (on QTEK CD...) which did not work together with phone alarm. And to deinstall was the ususal WM5 hassle, only using sktools and manual deletion of a file after another soft reser I was able to remove it again

Search GPRS ON start radio=gprs connects on startup
Start G on start GPRS=gprs connects when an application needs web connection, and stays connected
Switch GRPS always On/Off hold till for following connection=default settings, connect when needed, then disconnect
Havent had the phone freeze problem, and gprs connects on startup, and stays connected... which is fine for my tariff, tmobile web n walk unlimited gprs

jamichy said:
Search GPRS ON start radio=gprs connects on startup
Start G on start GPRS=gprs connects when an application needs web connection, and stays connected
Switch GRPS always On/Off hold till for following connection=default settings, connect when needed, then disconnect
Havent had the phone freeze problem, and gprs connects on startup, and stays connected... which is fine for my tariff, tmobile web n walk unlimited gprs
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Seems to work flawlessly so far on my S200. Thanks for your help Jamichy!!
The only thing I'am still missing is EDGE in Germany... :wink: