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Extract Files from ROM???

Does anyone know if there is a way to extract files from ROM? Since we can add files via MKROM is there a way to either extract files from the ROM or the .nbf or .nb1 files?

yes, just use the dumprom utility but remember you wont be able to pack them all back in for the compress.dll is not being utlized yet.
You can get dumprom for win32 here http://www.xs4all.nl/~itsme/projects/xda/dumprom.html
Dont forget dumprom can extract files from 4.x roms with the '-4' commandline option.

What I would like to do, if possible, is to extract the files that makeup IE in the 4.00.10 version and then load them into an SPHi700 running the 2002 ROM. Then change the registry keys and see if it will work. It appears that there are only two files required though there might be more. If it needs API calls and entry points in the OS that are not there in 2002 then it wouldn't work. Otherwise I would have an upgraded IE in the 2002 SPHi700.
Any idea if I can do this and if it will work?

Hi Barjohn. Thanks for the info regarding the "g" and I have found a rom of .05 that it works with.
As far as taking IE from .10 to ppc2002 I don't think it will work. The architecture appears to be different, as well as the registry structure. Something like Win98 to WinXP.
Just my .02 but that is what I have been reading online.

Building Rom using MKROM

Can anybody please help me to build a rom? specially to the XDA-developers, thanks in a million...in advance.
My question is:
1. Do i need a base rom(no program included) on the cfg/(rom.nb1)? is it necessary ?
2. what is the maximum files i can put in the files/ directory? that will be splited by mkrom, i know it is depending on the version since 3.17 the maximum for all files is 5 M. how about other version. 4.01,4.05, 4.10 and 4.16
3. when i run the bash setup.sh nk.nb1(4.05), using parameter for 4.05 i get a message "!!! your rom is not known to me: md5:fb9e70c5786f08e4db6db7c184c59704" is this normal or it is not define on the splitrom.pl ?
4. what kind of editor did you use for building a BMP file with 16 bit, I tried to use adobe photoshop 6.0, but i can not seem to save it as 151 k, the option is only 24 bit and 8 bit, if you can give me a site where i can download it , i will really apreciate it.
Thanks for the Help..
More power to the XDA team
and
Welcome TMO 4.16!!! (which i think no diff with 4.10)

1. yes you do need some kind of rom to start with
2. you can check using
Code:
perl splitrom.pl yourrom.nb1 -ob <your bmp offset> | perl calcgaps.pl 0x3ffff
and add the sizes of the holes.
you have to figure out where the bootsplash is for your rom. ( for new roms this is most likely 0x81ec0000 )
3) there is a list of 27 roms I know about in splitrom, if I never saw your rom, the signature will also not be there.
btw, what rom do you have?
4) I think we used photoshop for that. ( Peter Poelman knows more about that )

thanks for the reply XDA developer Itsme,
but how can i build a baserom with the rom i have, I have a ROM 4.05 which i created in jeff's kitchen? or any site where i can download the base rom 4.05?
I have a ROM 4.05, 4.10 which i get from jeff's kitchen and also the original 4.10 TMO. regarding the signature of the ROM, i read your splitrom.pl and i found out you 27 list of roms, but i didn't find that signature "md5:fb9e70c5786f08e4db6db7c184c59704" is it because my ROM is not base ROM?
my param is ;
wincever=4
start1=21740000
size1=0040000
start2=003c0000
startbmp=81ec0000
startop=81b00000
I'll still try to use the photoshop, maybe i miss something there.
Please correct me if i done something wrong with my commands.
I have Perl 5.8 and cygwin, installed in windows 2003
then make the path for perl/bin and cygwin/bin
then i copy all the things i need to build a rom in one directory including nk.nbf(with jeff's 4.05) and mkrom tools(which i got from the demokitchen)
i run "perl setup.sh nk.nbf" to extract the bootimage.bmp and rom.nb1 to cfg/ directory
then i dump "dumprom -4 -d files -q nk.nbf" to extract all files in files directory
then i convert "perl fdf2reg.pl files/default.fdf cfg/default.reg"
"tr -d "\0" <files/initobj.dat >cfg/initobj.txt"
"cp files/initdb.ini cfg/initdb.ini"
then in files/ directory i delete all the windows files i leave only the program with the dll i wanted to add in the rom like total commander, file commander.. etc...
(I compare it with the original files of WM2003)
then i run "bash mkrom.sh out/out.nbf"
but i got an OVERLAP message on the screen
and also the same message like i told you before "Your rom is not know to me"
Please Help me with this because i want to build my own rom according to the program i need.. and many thanks.

split rom does not recognize romkitchen roms, since they vary too much.
you should use an original rom, not one from the romkitchen.
the overlap means that somehow the params file was not correct.
or maybe you just tried to add too much files.

XDA developer Itsme said:
split rom does not recognize romkitchen roms, since they vary too much.
you should use an original rom, not one from the romkitchen.
the overlap means that somehow the params file was not correct.
or maybe you just tried to add too much files.
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Thanks Itsme, thats why splti rrom can not recognize the ROM I have, I'll try to search for the base ROM in the forum, or can you give me a site where i can download the baseROM, I think that's why I am having a OVERLAP because there is a added program on my ROM, XDA-Developers File1 and File2 is duplicated.
It answer my question regarding the ROM i have, thanks a lot man you really a good help.
Now my only problem is to find all the base rom so i can start cooking some ROM.

mkrom for WM2003?

I have been looking for a mkrom that works with 2003 ROMs. since kitchen cooks 2003 rom, there must be one version of mkrom that works with 2003.
I downloaded the kitchen, and tried to use the small set under one of _/ directory to cook my version of 2003 without setting out the entire kitchen. but got into one problem. -- the xda does not boot
it shows the boot screen, and the G324e4, R6.10.00 4.00.11, then stops there
one thing I figure went wrong is:
the default.reg I got out of default.fdf is oly about 30k large while the old 2002 version of default.reg is more than 200-300 k large.
any one can help here? I cooked based on 4.00.11 rom, which by itself installs on my xda fine.

Hi Pine
If you are trying to add files to you're Rom you will need to use an original (Not one from Jeffs Kitchen) as the XIP segments get screwed if you try to re-write them. (not sure why) If you run Mkrom without adding additional files you will find it loads fine.
Richard

I was not trying to add my files at all. I downloaded a rom, followed the step to cook a new rom without adding any of my files. the resulted rom does not load. quite disapointing experience.
I used the 4.00.11 rom, used the 4.00.11 directory in the kitchen download, modified mkrom to comment out the wince 3 version variables and uncomment the 4 version variables.
anything else I should do?
or the kitchen downloaded from xda-developers.com does not actually work with 2003 yet?

O.K.
Rom Kitchen contains parts of the old Mkrom but relies on more perl scripts to do the work. I have done the same as you and it works fine for me. Best guess is you havn't converted the the default reg properley did you use tr -d "/0" <default.reg>default.txt to convert ? check that you can actualy read the output if its in hex then youv'e done it wrong. The output file should be around 8 to 12 kb
Richard

you can find the most recent version here

Remove files from ROM

How can I remove from the original ROM some files like T-Mobile, AIM ... etc. ?
I cooked up a 4.00.10 T-Mobile with GPRS monitor and batterypack but i want some more addons.
Can someone tell me what steps are required to remove from the ROM some files ?
Thanks,
Decebal

ROM = Read Only Memory.

But, i've we're able to add Programs to the ROM in the ROMkitchen, i think we're also able to remove programs.
Regards
Stefan

cruisin-thru said:
ROM = Read Only Memory.
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obviously i do not deserve that
i was talking about the ROM image and since i've already succeded in putting into the ROM two apps i want to try something else.
so if anyone know how to remove at least T-mobile and AIM files from the image i'll be happy.
thanks,
Decebal

I believe they are in an area not able to be modified.

I was just quoting from that site, it does state that it cannot be erased, modified etc, no offence meant here. :roll:

The mkrom tools will allow you to 'unpack' a rom, i.e. extract all the files that are in it.
A rom, to the best of my understanding, has a 'native' or stock part to it, and then a series of XIP chains -- programs that are added into the free spaces of the rom.
I dont know what happens if you try to remove files from a rom that are part of the standard build...
Maybe the TMobile stuff is in a 'removeable' section of the ROM... there is also the 'operator' section... I am assuming that is a location that will give the 'operator' or creator of the rom space to put specialized programs, such as TMobiles phone apps, etc.
So, it seems that your best bet is to get the mkrom tools and read about how to extract/remove files/rebuild a rom.
Hey, it may even work!
J

You can rebuild a rom image from extracted files and leave some files out but Mkrom does not use compression and therefore the rom you end up with will probably be bigger than the rom you started with.
Richard

If I am correct, an eeprom is something else than a flash-rom.
so the article at least states it incorrectly.
if it is flash, you should be able to modify it.

XDA developer Itsme said:
If I am correct, an eeprom is something else than a flash-rom.
so the article at least states it incorrectly.
if it is flash, you should be able to modify it.
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Now, I do think that the real question is "How do we unlock the 'ROM' so that it can be modified being that it is an eeprom?"
Misterdollymaker

you need backup the ROM to *.nb1 or *.nbf file, than using tools to add/delete file to *.nb1 , write the new file back to XDA ROM. it is fun to add/delete file to your personized ROM!

cgigate said:
you need backup the ROM to *.nb1 or *.nbf file, than using tools to add/delete file to *.nb1 , write the new file back to XDA ROM. it is fun to add/delete file to your personized ROM!
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this is quite interesting...can you elaborate further?? I wish to learn more...

cgigate said:
you need backup the ROM to *.nb1 or *.nbf file, than using tools to add/delete file to *.nb1 , write the new file back to XDA ROM. it is fun to add/delete file to your personized ROM!
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Yes, please! I wish to learn more too! I am looking to remove the standard sounds and replace them with my own (using same names) as well as the boot image and desktop.

yea, no kiddin, i'd like to know how too!
im sure its not impossible, 'they' did it the first time arround.
why not hacking it? and since its all at no charge (no profit) are we realy breaking any patents?

I wanted to know if there is an easy :wink: way around, to put our own programs in the rom. xda-developers certainly can't put ezwap2.5, and the total commander appears to be older version, while new version is much better. There are some more freeware application I'd love to put in there

xda-developers already posted some tools to do job, such as MKROM ...

cgigate said:
you need backup the ROM to *.nb1 or *.nbf file, than using tools to add/delete file to *.nb1 , write the new file back to XDA ROM. it is fun to add/delete file to your personized ROM!
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I'm interested too
How can i add/delete file from nb1 file?
Thanks
Fabio

I've used mkrom suite to do this (even for Smartphone2002). This are great tools.
Unfortunately it's not as easy as you might think. It's nearly impossible to build a ZERO-KNOWLEDGE ROM file explorer which can add or delete files "on the fly".
You will still have to look for valid gap's in the original rom where you can add a new XIP block.
All .exe and .dll files are "fixed up" that means they MUST run at THE fixed ROM position where they have been initially placed (execute in place). If you dump an exe or dll file you can't use it for other than disassembly to see how things work.
Removing files is a very hard task (they are splitted over the whole rom). And the resulting gap's are mostly not more than 10-16 kB. All you can do is to "hide" files (simply patch the directory entry).
So you see compression is not the real problem (see programers corner for a .bib file which can be used with romimage.exe - a Microsoft Tool to build XIP blocks, this tool supports compression)
John Smith

only the kernel actually runs in the virtual memory area mapped to rom,
all the other XIP stuff runs from a virtual memory area mapped somewhere
in the top of each processes memory space.
( look at the 'real=' values in the output of dumprom )
so for all the other modules it should be possible to move them around
in rom a bit, I think you only need to keep the pagealignment the same.

Hi,
The virtual memory address is also fixed in the module. (That's why I've to rebuild all the stuff I want to copy from other roms).
Since all relocation info is gone the module can't run from another memory position. So the only thing you can do is to move it in it's own XIP section...
John

Someone help to dump WM5.0 Emulator image.

The WM5.0 emulator is working on my PC.
Japanese Emu, S-Chinese emu, and T-CHinese, emulator. also english.
i want dll, mui, exe files from them, to make Japenese or chinese WM5.0
on my Himalaya with english WM5.
Hope someone can help to dump it or make dump tool.
i have a dump tool my friend made for WM2003 emulator, so not worked for WM5.0.
if need emulator image from WM5.0 SDK, i will upload i them.
Please help!

ms would be pretty stupid if they made it possible for one to unload a real rom image from an enulator
as far as i know then all roms have to be 100% made / "compiled" for each pda to work
so unless that emulator was using an 100% image of the rom for the device you want to upload it to later
i doubt it would work

Rudegar said:
ms would be pretty stupid if they made it possible for one to unload a real rom image from an enulator
as far as i know then all roms have to be 100% made / "compiled" for each pda to work
so unless that emulator was using an 100% image of the rom for the device you want to upload it to later
i doubt it would work
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thanks for your comment,
but plese dont worry i want just take the resourcese from dll or exe, to make mui files to pretend interface of OS.
i used this way to make japanese OS on my Blue Angel with PPC2003se.
Mr, Mamaichi teached this way to me in the past.
for your refference
http://asukal.seesaa.net/article/6114096.html
http://asukal.seesaa.net/article/5052836.html
Japanese site, but you can see the JPGs

ooh got a bit confused then i guess

Asukal
You can dump the ROM image from WM5 emulator with a normal dumprom tool, but first you need to convert image from B000F to the NB format with the command:
perl splitrom.pl PPC_USA_GSM_VR.BIN -wo ROM.BIN -oe 0x82000000
and then dump it as a normal rom:
dumprom.exe ROM.BIN -5 -d C:\ROM_DUMP
I've tested that on english version of emulator.
you'll need splitrom.pl script and a new build of dumprom tool from itsme.

Mamaichi>>>
thanks for your information!
i will try it!!

Thanks Mamaich!
after i got your private message and done it!
i got dumped roms files form mnu!
@Japanese OS image
@Simple chinese OS image
@Smart phone (WM5) japanese image
after succesfull them, the splitrom have error on following emu image.
@English OS image
@Traditional OS image.
i dont know why???
may try to restart windows system and try again
any way, i got it!
thanks!

hi Asukal,
can you please give me the links to your emu images?
i'm too lazy to search.. ;o)))
thanx
buzz

Yes, why not!
Here it it!
http://www.asukal.jp/ROMs/PPC_USA_GSM_VR.rar
20MB <not dumped yet>

i could dumed english image also.
here it it!
http://www.asukal.jp/ROMs/SDK_ENG.rar (17.32MB) dumped files
i dont know why i couldnt up load this as attachment???? :shock:
so i must use my own server :?

Asukal said:
after succesfull them, the splitrom have error on following emu image.
@English OS image
@Traditional OS image.
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what is the error text? I've dumped english ROM without errors

to mr,mamaich
i got successfult to dump english SDK emu rom after that.
But i took Bin from SDK in another computer.
I guess Bin file which i tryied dump at beggining was broken or have some problem??
or i have already opened and drove this emu image on the Emulator many times so it was not default already.
i have never tried again about T-CHinese Bin.
i think it can be possible if i took out another T-Chinese bin from another SDK.
the error text was...... cant remember exactry because i left that computer coz i am trip in europe now.
maybe.....
This image files has incorrect(or invalid) boot image.....or some like that.
sorry my late rplay.
I am in Germany now and have to visit Milan and paris after here.
thanks

MUI's in wm2005
Hi, everybody!
I followed this thread and successfully created some MUI's for 2005 (I think) but I can't get the device to load them. I tried changing the registry settings (worked for 2003se) but it didn't help.
No changes I made are visible and the files can be deleted, so I guess they are just ignored for some reason.
Can anyone help please :?:
Thank a lot!

that is true, also cant do that.
keep on studying now.
Something different from WM2003!

MUI security signature?
Hallow again!
I think the problem might be with the digital signature Microsoft now requires. :idea:
Also I made the following experiment:
I put the resources in 2003SE MUI officeres and btres and it did load, but when I tried it with shellres or coresres it didn't work.
I think it won't load unsigned system files…
Any ideas?
Any leads will be greatly appreciated!
:lol:

Re: MUI's in wm2005
levenum said:
Hi, everybody!
I followed this thread and successfully created some MUI's for 2005 (I think) but I can't get the device to load them. I tried changing the registry settings (worked for 2003se) but it didn't help.
No changes I made are visible and the files can be deleted, so I guess they are just ignored for some reason.
Can anyone help please :?:
Thank a lot!
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because on 2003, files are copied to RAM. on 2005 are used directly from ROM.
buzz

Re: MUI's in wm2005
buzz_lightyear. 2005 can also load dlls to RAM, for example when they are started from storage card or built-in storage.
There maybe one more reason. The DLL may be not loaded if your resource DLL does not have some resources that the original DLL has. Or if your DLL is somehow incorrect. You should make a program that calls LoadLibrary() for your MUI DLL and check the error code if it does not load.
For MS Smartphones there was a registry key that allowed to run unsigned applications. Maybe the similar method exists for WM5.
Asukal. I've attached the program that would try to dump shellres.dll of your device to \storage card\shellres.dll. I've tested the program only under emulator, on the real device it may crash.
If it would not crash - you should look into the produced DLL to examine its resources. This dumper would produce DLLs that are unable to load (they have no relocations information), and their size is larger than it should be, but resources should be extracted correctly.
PM me if the program crashes. And it probably would crash. I'll try to do something.

Mr,Buzz and Mr,Mamaichi!
thanks your comments, and i have just back from Paris and too tired to try mamaichi`s testwm5.exe
aftre sleep while, i will try it! (i dont afraid crash! glad to be sarifice!

I'd recommend you to try this tool - http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=23520&start=25#152044

To mr,mamaich
The first attached testWM5.exe dumped only dump.dll(?)
the second TESTWM5.exe of the link can extraxt installed files also, and RAM files can be dumped.too.
but not crashed.
i will remake MUI file and test it!
Thanks!