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Hi,
now this may sound really stupid to most of you since you are all very eager to have the newest ROM on your XDA's, but I don't really get it. My O2-XDA was always working fine, and when I read some topics here, I got the idea that I was missing something.
So I upgraded my device to radio 4.21 and ROM 3.17.03 but I don't notice any difference. Also, no programs have been added (except for the wireless modem application), and the ROM still comes with useless stuff like the Action Engine, which is useless since O2 Netherland is taken over by Telfort and it doesn't support it anymore. O2 England has a newer ROM version to offer, I might try that, but...
Why would I?
I have read countless topics on upgrading, also on upgrading the XDA to WM2003, but why? It's always "it works great!!!" or "I can't get it to work!!!" but the real difference (except the feeling of having the newest ROM in your device) is never explained.
So, someone, tell me what I'm missing here?
programs made for wm2003 dont always work on ppc2002
like voicecommand from ms
this is likely to become a bigger and bigger problem as time goes by
I agree with you on there is no BIG motive for upgrade. The only noticed differences are:
1. SMS better handling
2. GPRS "Always on" feature, but it's not that fancy except if you keep MSN messenger on (who does this ??!! :shock: ).
3. MIDI files for ring tones (never worked for me tho :evil: )
Rudegar said:
programs made for wm2003 dont always work on ppc2002
like voicecommand from ms
this is likely to become a bigger and bigger problem as time goes by
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That's true, but if you don't need these s/w you shouldn't sacrifice the stability. However, will this amount of experience in this forum it's not that complex any more.
1. SMS better handling
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Can you explain this to me?
Because my XDA already has GPRS always on (and you're right, who does that ).
Chances are I already have the better SMS handling, but didn't notice it? What is the exact difference?
Capt. PV.
I'd probably apply the 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' rule if I were you.
I upgraded my XDA (and recently did a full hardware upgrade to an i-Mate / XDA II) because there were features I wanted (such as wireless modem) for a particular purpose, but I doubt I'd have upgraded if that weren't so.
If you're comfortable with your baby as it is, (and aren't slave to a constant compulsion to pull things apart to figure out why they work) don't mess with it. :roll: .
SMS has character count. GPRS always on is very useful when you are actually trying to do something with it. If you want to continue using old software that's fine. Same reason not to upgrade from DOS 6.1. But personally I like getting software and installing it without worrying about whether my O/S is new enough. Some of us just like to experiment too.
We also live in the hope that bugs and nuances will be fixed with each O/S release and service release. If you believe the XDA is without nuances in its original form then you don't use it enough.
If you cannot think of any single reason to upgrade - then don't.
SMS better handling also includes the 4 buttons in the dialog upon recveiving the SMS so you can call/delete/reply immediately instead of opening the Inbox item. This is plus the character count and the auto-name-insert feature after the first 3 letters.
The GPRS always on feature saves the time to get attached, but if this time is less than 3 seconds and usually the s/w is connecting automatically then it's not that issue (at least for me) as I noticed that making/receiving phone calls is faster when GPRS is off (I might be wrong tho ).
I notice you are running the standard O2 setup with the latest rom and radio stack 4.21, if you go to the rom kitchen you can still cook the same rom but you can add a whole bunch of programs to the unused space in your rom area, if you dont mind losing the bloated O2 auto setup and use the developers setup you will have even more free space. These programs are instantly available, use no ram unless running and make the xda a much better pda/phone.
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So, someone, tell me what I'm missing here?
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Hi,
Pocket Quake II doesn't run on PPC2002 :twisted: "due to a bug in the Operating System" so other software may also not work. The second important thing is Media Player 9 installed (with codecs).
do people really play quake 1 and 2 and other fps on their pda's ?
or is it just to impress people ?
because i've messed around a bit with quake1 and feel like a handicap'd zombie trying to gain any kind of control over the game
compared to how i can do it on a normal pc
imho then the controls of pda's dont mix with fps that well
the whole aiming thing require one to use the pen and i just cant do that fast or precise enough for gaming
We use the Universal for speech systems for people with disabilities. However the speed of the device is marginal for us, because the system itself uses a massive (30%+) fraction of the processor time even when the system is at idle.
I've just been asked if using any alternate ROM images might help speed the device up much, and I haven't got a clue. Help!
Does anyone know if any of the ROM images that are out there makes a significant difference to the speed of the universal? Is there a ROM image around which completely removes all phone functionality (not all our users use the phone)?
I'd be very grateful for any guidance, before we start trying ROM images at random...
Stuart
Hello, first of all, -and I'm not sure about this- I think that the ROMs images are not available at this site's FTP anymore.
Then, if you can have a ROM, prefer the "plain vanilla" ones, unless you might need several extra programs, if you need speed, you need a light and simple ROM, there are several of them, from Helmi's, to Ivan's and others that I just can't remember now, look out in the posts and find a stable one to use, test it with your app until you think is the right one.
Alternatively you can increase your CPU's clock, but this drains the battery faster, a solution for this might be to install a larger battery, your use of the uni might permit all of these things.
I haven't tested any custom ROMs, but I have a friend with a uni that has installed in its uni a Helmi's ROM, I saw it, it seems quite speedier than my T-mobile one, he told me that the voice tags call fuction didn't work and something else, but, was it faster indeed.
bye
stuartaw said:
We use the Universal for speech systems for people with disabilities. However the speed of the device is marginal for us, because the system itself uses a massive (30%+) fraction of the processor time even when the system is at idle.
I've just been asked if using any alternate ROM images might help speed the device up much, and I haven't got a clue. Help!
Does anyone know if any of the ROM images that are out there makes a significant difference to the speed of the universal? Is there a ROM image around which completely removes all phone functionality (not all our users use the phone)?
I'd be very grateful for any guidance, before we start trying ROM images at random...
Stuart
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have you tried to kill useless proggy at startup???
if you want i may be able to make a clean rom for you...
actually try increasing the pagingpool a simple hexedit on existing roms (wm6 section of this forum look for helmi's kitchen)
Thanks for the suggestions so far.
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have you tried to kill useless proggy at startup???
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I've tried killing everything I can. The processor is occupied by one thread within devices.exe; and I can't really kill that process... Everything else had minimal/no impact.
Stuart
What application are you using to identify process usage? 30% sounds very high to me.
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What application are you using to identify process usage? 30% sounds very high to me.
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The remote tools in Visual Studio. Shows 1%-4% processor usage at idle for other PDAs, 30-35% for TyTN and Universal (the only 2 HTC machines I had access to). I used the kernel tracker thing to track execution, and it was one particular thread in devices.exe which was both busy, and also, sometimes, thrashing around at <100 micro-s frequency.
This figure does fit with our other experiences. The particular speed problem we have is with a library which is spec-ed to work on any machine with 400Mhz+ processor. Works fine on other machines, including some quite old PDAs, but has 'issues' due to slow processor on the Universal and is simply unusable on the TyTN.
I couldn't find anything I could do to improve this in RAM - and a colleague asked if any of the alternate ROMs might help - and I've haven't got a clue, but hoped someone might know if any of the ROMs are visibly faster.
Stuart
Have you tried changing the default clock speed?
Hi Stuart,
I think there are a lot of applications out there which allow you to overclock and change the clock speed of Xscale CPU's. Things like XCPUScalar 2007. If you look at this thread(http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=304786)you should be able to find some useful information regarding scaling the CPU speed, hope this helps.
Will.
i have Flashed my rom with the ROM Black diamond 1.3
i have notice that my phone moves slawly
if i jump from option into the others he gives very very slawly reaction
is there is solution to make it faster ?
or new rom ?
thanks for the help
I know I'll catch a little flak for this, but here goes:
I do not recommend loading WM6 on your Wizard.
I know, I know. It's fun, etc. to hack your phone, and I'm not saying don't hack it. Load different builds of WM5, and you'll see some dramatic increases in speed. Most WM6 builds (remember, I said MOST) will slow down your wizard. The bulkier they are, the more likely you'll see a slow-down. The processor in a Wizard just isn't that fast, compared to most phones that have come with or been officially updated to WM6. HTC's official stance was to pass over the Wizard for the upgrade, in spite of the clamor of Wizard owners.
I've had considerable luck just streamlining my Wizard's WM5 by turning off lots of useless features (menu animation? WTF?) and by overclocking it, but not too aggressively.
At the end of the day, it's really up to you, and there'll be lots of people who disagree with my position.
BTW, here's what you can do with a streamlined WM5, a few freeware apps (rlToday, Mortscripts, PaulyA.com Vista Dialer, etc.), and one pay-for app (Wisbar):
Hello thanks so much
Atlest you did answered i really appreciate your help
if i back to the WM5 can i still connect with wirless?
Hi guys. I am in the process of doing research into making my own ROM. I would like to know if you have any requests or ideas for me to base my ROM on. I want to know if there are some features, apps or configuration that you would like to see that other ROMs may not have.
Anyway let me know here and i will try to include the most popular options.
I got one...
I L-O-V-E the Khanx Touch Navia.
HOWEVER, the only thing missing, in my opinion, is a calender tab that I can see my upcoming appointments. In the original M2D you can only see 1 app ahead.
I would like to see a ROM without M2D, but with Throttle Launcher. Not everybody likes Manilla.
Since the time I got my orbit I'm missing very simple ROM and I requested it many people:
I need just serial ROM with all the unnecessary stuff removed, such as microsoft bug report, touch cube etc, with optimization tweaks and without side software at all. I'd say lite version of the serial 6.1 ROM =)
All of us got their must-have software so just let people choose what they need.
All the ROMs existing now are a kinda clones, its have very similar functionality... The mistake of the most of rom-makers is that they are trying to provide all possible features together with their ROMs. They insert there manilla, opera, config tools and many more, and I guess it takes them a lot of time to have all this things work together. Then after some time this "extra" tools getting updated and you have to develop updated ROM and catch new bugs...
Actually, the closest software to my wishes was Bepe's software, but it's not updating anymore...
I am going to look into two versions.
Naked build
lightweight and simple.
only the essential apps (to be decided)
basic config/customisation tools
Skeleton build
bare bones
no extra apps
basic config/customisation tools.
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Actually, the closest software to my wishes was Bepe's software, but it's not updating anymore...
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I had a quick look for this, but couldn't find what you mean. can you please send me a link.
t1m said:
Since the time I got my orbit I'm missing very simple ROM and I requested it many people:
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I agree....I tried all the new ROM's and finally went back to pre 6.1 more memory, faster speed, reliable phone and most important - Clean customised installs and screens.
I wish I could get something similar to Khanx Lite and Panosha's butterfly ! I have no interest in Manila, 3d or whatever - just a naked build and my own apps - whatever needed- installed have over 50MB to play with and nearly 2+ days battery life -what more could i ask for?
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...I wish I could get something similar to Khanx Lite and Panosha's butterfly ! ...
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i will check them out. sounds like a good place to start
Ideal ROM for me:
1. Fast and stable build (probably official HTC build is better than some leaked build)
2. Minimum software - no cube, no customer feebback, no opera, no manila, no windows live and live messenger etc.
3. Performance tweaks included
4. Video call support (I mention this since recently many chefs drop this functionality from their ROMs)
5. Maximum free RAM
How about a kind of tracker app?
I am planning to cook a ROM for me including this app:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394203
Also remove some apps to make the system faster.
In my case, I dont need the audio booster, audio manager, calculator and getting started.
Regards,
Luciano
HTC Cruise
Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
How's the cooking going Jabba1701?
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How about a kind of tracker app?
I am planning to cook a ROM for me including this app:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394203
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That won't help you at all Luciano. The program works by sending the location to another phone by sms. That phone number has to be cooked in the ROM, else it would be gone upon hard reset. So this kind of applications only works when you cook your own personal ROM.
Jabba1701
I agree with the "Skeleton build".
This is a numbers game - quite a few posts have wished for such a skeleton ROM, but many more seem to like all the doo-dads and frippery being cooked into the ROM's on offer. Since most chefs quite rightly wish for donations, they choose the doo-dad route.
The basic reasons I dislike the doo-dads is that I have no use for most of them (I use the device as a mini-computer as much as a phone), they consume flash memory and RAM and you cannot update them without flashing a new ROM.
M'Amine's kitchen and one of his new ROM's is the place to start, I suggest. He has not protected his ROM's so we can completely dis-assemble them, remove the doo-dads and re-cook.
I'm slowly wending my way through this process now. The basic difficulty is figuring out all of the folders, files and Registry references associated with those doo-dads I want to remove.
working on this ROM has been pushed back in the queue a fair bit. We are currently getting our house up for sale so we can move for our kids school next year and my wife's new job. There are a few things i'd like to look at to make testing the ROMs a bit easier and quicker (ie an emulator or similar) but i really haven't had the time to even google it.
Hi, I agree with all previous comments. In my case I like to build my own UI with WAD so I do not like m2d/manila/htc roms. They look all the same to me and I still end using additional software for photos, music and even contacts
I am very happy with the rom I am using: swtos light rom (see my signature).
The only problem is swtos is not anymore with a touch so I do not expect any updates to new builds. I would say I have a 0 bugs rom, with 160 mb for programs and circa 50 mb free ram. I do not plan to go back to wm 6.1 official or to try other roms if I do not have relevant new features over this one in terms of performance.
Since swtos is not cooking polaris anymore he may be willing to share the kitchen. You can see in the thread that people is happy with this rom and missing swtos new work.
I have a couple of suggestions:
- naked roms are so naked that are only good for very advanced users. light roms most of the times already include config tools, ui and basic programs. I think a really naked but pre-configured rom would be great.
- I would suggest to explore radio compatibility. It seems to be a nightmare quite often and many people do not want to flash the phone many times.
- I suggest to concentrate on performance, scrolling and Ram recovery and exploit current hardware as it is rather than bringing it to the limit (eg. 3d drivers)
Bepes rom I think is much older than swtos so even if it is well known for its stability, I would not use it as the starting point.
Good luck !
I'm attempting to build an ultra-clean ROM from one of the public releases recently.
I tried one from c_shekhar but it contained some very confusing (to me) entries on Language and SYS versions.
Trying one of M'Amine's next
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Jabba1701
I agree with the "Skeleton build".
This is a numbers game - quite a few posts have wished for such a skeleton ROM, but many more seem to like all the doo-dads and frippery being cooked into the ROM's on offer. Since most chefs quite rightly wish for donations, they choose the doo-dad route.
The basic reasons I dislike the doo-dads is that I have no use for most of them (I use the device as a mini-computer as much as a phone), they consume flash memory and RAM and you cannot update them without flashing a new ROM.
M'Amine's kitchen and one of his new ROM's is the place to start, I suggest. He has not protected his ROM's so we can completely dis-assemble them, remove the doo-dads and re-cook.
I'm slowly wending my way through this process now. The basic difficulty is figuring out all of the folders, files and Registry references associated with those doo-dads I want to remove.
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sorry mate, not sure how i missed your post when giving an update.
I am the same as you with how i use my phone, it is more like an organiser and computer that just happens to have a phone in it. I use mine for Geocaching, tomtom, email, twitter, photos, brain training games..... and i occasionally get a phone call or SMS or two.
Do-dads are great fun to try out, but the novelty wears out over time, and they just suck up resources and slow other apps down and hurt stability.
At the moment i am trying out the more popular lite ROMS to see what they do and how they perform so i can get a feel of to expect from mine.
hey been using nsfans 6.5 rom for a long time now, wouldn't mind trying a new rom.
looking for quick and stable, which rom is better nuvogues 7.0 or baroggi44's new build...anyone tried both yet?
Fair question!
I always encourage people to try both! Barogi44 was pretty much inspiration to try my hand at my own!
And to be totally honest, NuVogue 7.0 is a little bit of a dive in a different direction from the previous 6. It has some features, such as a unique UI, that might not even continue in 8.0 and beyond (I wanted to tinker with it, but it can sometimes slow down the system a little more than I like).
Two things about my build: first and foremost: I put stability above all else when I cook my ROMs - if a program will make it unstable, I won't include it - you can install it yourself, later if you really want it - but if I think it will compromise stability, I'm leaving it out. Second: I always hear that mine boots extremely quickly - but I don't think "boot time" should be a determining factor in which ROM you use! It's always about what you're looking for in your build - which programs are pre installed, how stable the ROM is, etc...
If you have the bandwidth and a little bit of time, I say: give'em both a try! Barogi44 certainly has more users than I do (based on thread length and feedback alone!), so to be honest - that may just be a tell tale sign in itself!
NuAngel
I'm currently using your latest rom now NuAngel. It is fast and stable, which important to me.
I flashed to barogi44's latest build durng my post, it boots slower than yours...his home screen is like the htc-default except abit flashier. but i like your drop/up down list layout as well.
where' gps in your rom?
also if v7 wasn't so large, there's a lot of things i wouldn't put in there...maybe i can try cooking my own rom, what apps do i need to try...anyways NuAngel, the rom is work great so far, i like the photo 'scratch' effect for pictures, kind of neat....sometimes its just little things that make me like a rom more than another, good job!
Thanks for the comments. Yeah, NuVogue has gotten VERY big lately, but that's the addition of the care-pack: if you look under File Manger and the root of the phone, you can see there is a folder called "NuVogue Care Pack" - that folder is just a bunch of Installers that you can use to install many popular programs (including a better version of the EZ Input Keyboard, Swype, if you want it, Google Maps, and more!) - without the need to take the time downloading all of the giant CABs. If you don't want any of those programs, just delete the NuVogue Care Pack folder - it will warn you that these are system files, but you can just go ahead and delete them, it won't cause any problems.
As far as where's the GPS? That I don't know - not sure what "GPS" app you're looking for. GPS works perfectly in other programs such as Sprint Navigator, Google Maps, Trapster, etc... but if you're looking for a particular program, I'm unsure what you're used to using.
Also - if you'd like to switch the interface to the Manila style with the large clock, you can simply click START > SETTINGS > HOME SCREEN > slide right to ITEMS > and check the box that says TouchFLO. I like Titanium, though - I find it much faster.
Any further questions, just put them in the official NuVogue thread.
NuAngel
baroggi44's ROM is a newer build of WM6.5 where as nuvogue7.0 is an older version. Don't let the numbers mess with. Just becasue nuvogue7.0 is 28014 doesn't mean that its newer version of WM6.5. I can't find the tree that shows all of the different builds.
Here is how I see it after trying pretty much everything out there (including Android) on my Vogue:
For the best (IMO) newer 6.5 ROM that includes newer TouchFLO - I'd choose brack21's ROM over on PPCGeeks. It is a ROM that I never had to reboot, found it very stable and fast.
For the Titanium only ROM that fast lean and mean, I'd pick nuvogue 6.0. I did not install 7.0 but am now running 6.0 with few Titanium customizations: installed Home Screen Customizer from Marketplace, which gave me Contacts and App launcher in Titanium. I also installed Titanium Notifications add-in which gives me notifications in Titanium too. (The only problem with that is that notifications do not display correctly as there is some overlapping font issue if you had a missed call). Perhaps 7.0 is best for that...
i'm using nuvogues 7.0, so far so good...i'll try the one you suggested, thanks for the input.
Thread moved to General. Next time, please use either the Q&A thread or post under General if you have questions like these.
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baroggi44's ROM is a newer build of WM6.5 where as nuvogue7.0 is an older version. Don't let the numbers mess with. Just becasue nuvogue7.0 is 28014 doesn't mean that its newer version of WM6.5. I can't find the tree that shows all of the different builds.
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Very true, but in my experience and the experience of the people that use my ROM, newer doesn't always mean better. If you ask "the average user" to tell you the difference between ANY of the builds, they have no answers.
28014 mostly expanded on a few Internet Explorer features - but I also find it far better at memory management & stability. I reboot my phone once every 5 days or so. When I used 23569 or other 23xxx series builds I was 2 days at best, and I hear the same from several of my users and friends. Don't get me wrong, there are other builds in the 28xxx series that are just as horrible.
I'm not trying to put down Barogi44's ROM by any means, but I just think "newer" isn't necessarily "better."
NuAngel
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Very true, but in my experience and the experience of the people that use my ROM, newer doesn't always mean better. If you ask "the average user" to tell you the difference between ANY of the builds, they have no answers.
28014 mostly expanded on a few Internet Explorer features - but I also find it far better at memory management & stability. I reboot my phone once every 5 days or so. When I used 23569 or other 23xxx series builds I was 2 days at best, and I hear the same from several of my users and friends. Don't get me wrong, there are other builds in the 28xxx series that are just as horrible.
I'm not trying to put down Barogi44's ROM by any means, but I just think "newer" isn't necessarily "better."
NuAngel
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You are right newer doesn't necessarily mean better especially when it comes to MS. I just thought that I would point out 28014 is an older build. I really haven't really noticed much difference between the different builds. Somewhere the start icon was moved to the bottom. However,I am currently not running either.