Hi there,
I was wondering if anyone has some benchmark figurs on XDA with 2003 vs XDA with 2002? Very curious because I heard some Ipaqs are remarkebly faster with the new WM 2003 OS. Share your benchmarks
Well I only had 2003 for a minute. Some things seem a little faster (like redrawing my 250 contacts in ICQ), IE is faster than any browser I've tried (comparably with Netfront, but not as resource-demanding).
Some things are slower, like all menus - this is because animations are on by default.
Also, VMM was improved, even with very little free RAM (Netfront, ICQ, mail, IE, all at the same time), the performance decreased only slightly.
It's worth trying
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Hi. I currently have the WM2003 rom. I use my XDAII mainly for medical programs but some of them, especially the UPTODATE medical program, which is a very large one, takes TOO LONG to open and even to search for topics in it. I've read that newer roms make applications run faster. Do you think i should upgrade my XDAII. Shall i install WM2003SE or WM5. I want my rom to be stable.
Thanks
UpToDate and WM5
Hi,
I know that this post has gone unanswered for a long time, but -- being a med student -- I know many health professionals that have encountered these exact same issues.
I have tried UpToDate 15.2 using three devices: An hp hx4700 (WM2003SE), an hp rx1950 (WM5) and a Treo 700wx (WM5).
UpToDate loading times (first load) with Sentry 2020 were as follows (I did the test multiple times on clean devices):
hx4700: 2-4 seconds
rx1950: 6-8 seconds
700wx (312 MHz): 10-15 seconds (Yipes!)
700wx (520 MHz): 9-13 seconds
The Treo 700wx struggles with this application, even when overclocked. I also noticed that it struggles with Skyscape applications as well. After it loads, it's really fast, but gosh -- why the long loading time? For this, I miss the hx4700. I should add that the hx4700 was still speedy with UpToDate, even after installing numerous applications (Wisbar Advance, SPB Diary, Skyscape etc.)
However, notice the huge gap between the rx1950 and the Treo, despite the fact that both of them run WM5. This leads me to believe that WM5's architecture is still capable of running UpToDate really well. RAM doesn't seem to be an issue, either -- The rx1950 has a pathetic amount of RAM (11 MB free), compared the Treo and its 46 MB of free RAM after a hard reset.
I tried to test with the Samsung i760, but the Verizon rep kindly told me not to install anything... (Geez, what's the big deal? I could just hard reset the device when i'm done!)
Perhaps I'll sneak into the store again, and give it another shot with WM6. I'm beginning to think that UpToDate depends more on the device itself (i.e. SDreader/RAM/ROM speed), rather than the OS itself.
with wm5 programs are typicaly present in flash rather then real memory
and reading from flash is slower then mem
so chances are that wm5 on himalaya would run it slower then wm2003
sure running progs in flash would mean that all 128mb ram is used for apps
but i suspect that it's not a mem issue that cause this slow start up
i suspect that it's because alot! of data needs to be loaded
in which case having more memry will not help a bit
Updates with "UpToDate" WM5/WM6
Hey Rudegar, thanks for the feedback. I agree with you 100%.
In case any users stumble upon this forum, I wanted to add that UpToDate performs quite well on both the Samsung i760 and HTC TyTn/Verizon XV6800 (WM6). Loading time is about 6-7 seconds. I also experienced the same results using an HTC TyTn with WM5. UpToDate is very usable on these devices
Looks like the 700wx is the odd one out... It's also interesting how the 700wx has a really low file index score using SPB Benchmark. I wonder how the Treo 750 would perform with UpToDate. Testing with a WM6 Apache (via Helmi's WM6 ROM) would be interesting, too...
But wait, there's more!
After speaking with my colleagues, I've decided to add a bit about issues with medical programs in Windows Mobile.
UpToDate + Lexi-Comp:
If these programs are running at the same time, loading time for Lexi-Comp books will drag. The only workaround I can think of is to not use these two at the same time.
UpToDate + SPB Diary
I think Diary affects the loading time of UpToDate. But maybe it's just me
Lexi-Comp after using Live Search with SD card cache
As you may know, The LiveSearch folder on the SD card has a lot of folders in it... Enough to cause havok when Lexi-Comp is searching for books. With Live Search, I leave the SD card cache option disabled. All devices I've tested load the list of Lexi-Comp books in 3 seconds, even the 700wx.
Skyscape Stuff
No issues here! I've heard rumors of impact on system performance, but I have found no effect so far.
hx4700 with Kozhura WM6 ROM
I just had to try this. Impressive! The loading time for UpToDate is longer (7 seconds), but -- as Rudegar mentioned, that's expected with persisent storage on WM5/6 devices.
So, there you have it. If any physicians out there are having issues with WM UpToDate, Lexi-Comp or Skyscape stuff, hopefully their Google searches will take them here.
This is not the Sharp version that has to be patched with a modified .dll to work, this is the real thing. Unfortunately, only a beta so far, and only a 45 Day Testversion at that, but very nice to look at nontheless, and it natively starts in VGA Mode.
http://www.opera.com/download/mobil... Pocket PC phones running Windows Mobile 5.0.
Thanks Rapax,
Just downloaded it and will soon install.
Thanks once again for sharing this vital information
Kind Regards
After a brief trial:
Page rendering is probably the best (better than PIE and Netfront 3.3)
Does not handle mail attachments in web based e-mail accounts such as Gmail. Both PIE and Netfront 3.3 do support file attachments.
Does not support flash sites though I have Macromedia flash player 6.0 on my Jasjar and PIE uses it. Netfront will take advantage of flash sites once the commercial version is available.
In terms of speed Opera appears to be the fastest compared to PIE and Netfront 3.3
Don't know if there is a way to define a user-agent because in its current form it forces us to mobile versions of web sites. I could not visit my hotmail site and it forces me to the mobile msn site. Likewise for www.handango.com
So all in all I have mixed feelings regarding this browser. Good in some areas but not the best. For my needs Netfront is still the overall winner. (However these are just my views)
Again may be it is only me but after I have used and closed opera (really closed) it prevents Planmaker to start up. I have to reset the Jasjar to be able to use planmaker again.
Regards
Sweet Lord, it's gorgeous. Simply gorgeous.
THIS is the browser that should be included with WM5.0.
EDIT: TAB doesn't work to move between fields...minor point.
Sharp version - new version
What's the difference compared to the Sharp-hacked one?
Do you see any improvement?
I have that, and it's working well.
The major problem I have is in using java applets. Unfortunately it seems a problem only Nefront 3.3 will be able to solve.
Opera looks good on initial usage.
Seems very kind to the RAM, did not see any leakage unlike with PIE
I ve tried it but it doesnt start. I ve installed in sd and ram but doesnt start. Any idea?
No errors. the clock spin 4 times and nothing hapens.....
Is there a way to import my PIE bookmarks?
Has this version fixed the double-space bug when entering stuff into text fields?
I am using it too. I think this browser looks especially nice on these model of phones because of the landscape screen orientation, and VGA.
it seems to work very quickly, as well and I did not have a problem with java applets. in fact I went to my bank site and alot of other sites that used java with no problem. Not sure how they manage to fit everything and resize everything to that small screen but for right now it will be my browser of choice.
It handles new windows very well and like other said doesn't take alot of ram. i do find it runs better when installed on storage memory as oppose to memory card storage.
i am going to continue to test it though. I have not played with netfront 3.3 as much.. but i like opera alot better.so far.
those that have not tried it I highly recommend it.
I didn't like Opera 8.5. Personally, I prefer PIE with Multi IE... can't find any better!
Having just received my o2 XDA Exec I'm having difficulty browsing using the 640 X 480 screen - I'm sending back my TyTN because I CAN'T use 320 X 240!
When I log on to Aol apologises for using newer technology not fully supported by my current browser & suggests upgrading to a later version of IE or Mozilla Firefox
Tried wading through Microsoft & could not find an appropiate download - for Windows Mobile
Any suggestions?
Peter
PPC Opera
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You mean pixel doubling and the like? Give a try to any of the alternatives: Opera Mobile, Minimo or NetFront. They are far more VGA-friendly.
Make sure you also read my browser-related articles for more info on all these questions: http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?cat=61
Another way if your screen size is too small, is to flash WM 6 and use that Internet Explorer. That one supports "high resolution" mode, that is true vga.
Opera is definitely worth a try on the Exec. It's much better than Pocket IE for WM5. You might find the AOL site still won't work though - if they do browser version detection you might out of luck, and even if they don't, they might use some AJAX that Opera doesn't support. Bottom line is - finding a more mobile-friendly method might be less painful. Still, get Opera because it's great.
(Btw, I live in Handforth just down the road from you.)
Okay guys, maybe one of you amazing ROM cookers and modifiers out there can help shed some light on this issue:
I own a Prophet with simple JAMin ROM overclocked to 260 and am configuring 5 Tytn with the HTC standard ROM, doing side-by-side (non technical) simple speed tests, my Prophet is faster than the 400Mhz Samsung processor in nearly evey task, opening progs, web pages, etc. Also, the Tytns won't even open Minimo. They are better at battery consumption I must say, but in reality that's all. Since these aren't my devices I don't want to try a cooked ROM, but are there tweeks that I can use to increase efficiency? I've dug through the pages on the Tytn/Hermes and can really only find cooked ROM solutions...
Ideas?
LaneN said:
Okay guys, maybe one of you amazing ROM cookers and modifiers out there can help shed some light on this issue:
I own a Prophet with simple JAMin ROM overclocked to 260 and am configuring 5 Tytn with the HTC standard ROM, doing side-by-side (non technical) simple speed tests, my Prophet is faster than the 400Mhz Samsung processor in nearly evey task, opening progs, web pages, etc. Also, the Tytns won't even open Minimo. They are better at battery consumption I must say, but in reality that's all. Since these aren't my devices I don't want to try a cooked ROM, but are there tweeks that I can use to increase efficiency? I've dug through the pages on the Tytn/Hermes and can really only find cooked ROM solutions...
Ideas?
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The original ROM for the TyTNs were absolute garbage. Flashing a newer ROM (the AKY 3.3 one is fast) or even a WM6 ROM will speed them up.
I'm pondering buying a Mogul over a Touch (very original I know ). If I go the Mogul route I'll run one of the cooked 6.1 ROMS despite the 64MB of ram, mostly due to the better memory management I've been reading about.
1. I plan on using the internet a lot with Opera Mobile and was wondering if the limited memory would limit what sites I could go to. Would the Mogul load the heavier(flash, graphics, etc) websites with relative ease if I had little else running?
2. How do the flash video sites work (youtube, google video, veoh, abc/fox/nbc's steaming sites)?
3. If I go the Mogul route I plan on using the GPS extensively as well with a cooked 6.1 rom. I've seen some people claiming that I may have problems trying to run the GPS program even after closing everything else. Is this just an exaggeration? Do you still need to soft boot regularly?
4. Any weird quirks I should look out for on the Mogul?
I have a p4000 (same thing as a Mogul) and I use the latest rom with Windows 6.1 and GPS without a problem.
I also love having the hardware keyboard.
I'm on Telus and it works great with the unlimited data plan I'm on.
The memory should be fine. Opera Mini 4 currently appears to be the best browser to use for surfing from what I've seen although it does have some limitations being a Java application.
Opera 8.65 works well but not as nice as Mini 4. It also supports Flash Mobile 7 but I found that YouTube performance was very poor. Opera 9.5 Mobile should be really nice when it comes out. I found a copy of Opera 9 Mobile and it had all the features of Mini 4 but seemed to randomly close on me but that's probably because it's beta. YouTube was choppy on that as well and I got a "Memory critically low" error and the phone crashed.
I cannot get YouTube to work through Streaming Media, I'm guessing Telus has blocked the protocol or ports that it uses.
So as far as I'm concerned YouTube doesn't work on it for now.
Otherwise the phone is pretty great. The memory will limit you if you want to use it for games and things as well. I found Warcraft 2 for Pocket PC but can't play it because it requires 21mb of free memory DCD's 3.0.1 ROM with WM6.1 is very nice and allows you to use the internal GPS. It also seemed faster to me than the stock Telus ROM and gave me much more free memory (went from 12mb with a bunch of Today plugins and nothing else running to over 17mb with a bunch of Today plugins running).
Google Maps works wonderfully for me even if on satellite imagery mode. It only updates every second so it's not really smooth but works nicely.