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Bootloader 5.22 to 5.15

I have a 5.22 Bootloader and wondering how to back it up before downgrading to 5.15 from Jeff's tools.
Thanks. !
I tried with the XDATools but does not give option for Bootloader only ROM!

we made xdatools as safe as possible, no option to screw around with bootloaders.
I did create some other tools that you can use to backup your bootloader.
if you download these tools http://www.xs4all.nl/~itsme/projects/xda/tools.html
and run
Code:
pmemdump 0x80000000 0x40000 bootloader.nb0
that will save your bootloader in bootloader.nb0.
or you can use this pocketpc tool: http://www.xs4all.nl/~itsme/download/savebootloader.exe
it runs on your xda, and save your bootloader to a file in the root of your xda

Great thanks this works fine.... but when I run
pnewbootloader bootloader_v5_15.nb0 I get
Unable to find flash info offset, cannot disable bootloader writeprotect
I wish to upgrade to rom 4.0.x but would like to have a 5.15 wallaby before doing so. In case I need to downgrade back to 3.17.
Any help appreciated. Thanks. !
If their is no solution to this... Can I upgrade to 4.0.x and still be able to downgrade again later using another method!.

Hello,
this is the same error message I got when I tried to downgrade bootloader from 5.22 to 5.15. I was not sure if I am doing something wrong or what. I hope there is a fix to this.
Is the problem the Rom version or is it the 5.22 issue?

Use the old xdarit which gives an option to create a boot flash card. I have used this but as the developers warn this will "brick" your XDA if it goes wrong. My guess would be that you can downgrade to 3.17 on a 5.22 bootloader anyway. My advise would be to try that first because if it works theres no point in risking your bootloader and if it doesn't work you only have to reflash a 4.x image or try the old xdarit.
Richard

Thx for the reply, but the issue is how to downgrade to 3.17?
Program A is not working with this bootloader version (5.22) and I am not sure if XDArit will work with it.
Has anyone used XDArit with bootloader 5.22?

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I have bootloader 5.22 and have loaded 4.x images via flash using xdarit. I have also re-loaded bootloader 5.15 using the old xdarit to write a bootloader file.
Richard

Many thx Richard,
I do have an SD card reader (6 in 1) and I am not sure if this is the reason for the many errors I am getting when I try to use it. Recently posted posts say it could be.
I have also an image for the 5.15 bootloader.
Do I need the SD card reader to do the bootloader downgrade?

I have a six in one card reader and have the same problem you and many others have. In my case my SD card reader is disk six but I have to select disc 5 to get xdarit to see it. The bit to watch out for is to make sure that in selecting another disk it doesn't pick up your hard drive. The best way to be sure is to use the rom image tool to write a an image to your disk. Then using the old xdarit from the strat screen use the drop down list for the drives and you will see a load of data apear when you hit a valid drive you can recognise you have the right disk because you will see "Wallaby HTC" or simmilar. Then select write to disk and select 3.5k header and your 5.15 bootloader and write the file. when you put this disk in your XDA and enter bootloader mode it will offer to write it for you.
As I have said before I think you should try to write a 3.17 image to the disk first and try that. At the end of the day a corrupted rom is easy to recover from a corrupted bootloader = brick.
Also I have no problem with Program A and bootloader 5.22
Richard

No luck till now
Not sure what happened so far but I am unable to use my card reader now. Even when I connect it to a different laptop and insert an SD card from my camera, it says the card needs to be formated and even when I say ok format it, it says can't format.
When you right to the SD card using XDArit, my understanding that it will generate a file taht has the header required for bootloaders greater than 5.15. I am now ONLy trying to downgrade the bootloader. SO, the created file should be small. If you make this file available, would it be then easy to copy and pase it to a different SD card without using any tools?
Thanking yoy for your pateince

When you put your card in the SD card reader it is Windows that is offering to format it. xdarit does not need the card to be formated. If you put the card in and open xdarit can you see a string of data in the box ? If not use the drop down menu and try a different drive.
You can't (to the best of my knowledge) create a file that can be copied direct to the card because of the header required. i.e i can't email you one.
If you are having no joy reading from the card i.e you can't see the data as above try a different card perhaps the one you are using is duff.
Richard

It seems my card reader now has a problem.
I got an SD backup from an XDA that has bootloader 5.15 and the Rom CE
Now my Boatloader is 5.22 but this is what I am trying to get rid from. So, when I insert it in my device, it asks me if I want to press the action item to boot from SD. I am afraid that this will screw up my machine!
Is there a need that this file be written to the PC first then moved again to the SD card after checking the higher than 3.15 boatloader box?
Regards

If the backup you took was just the CE image then go ahead and restore the image. If you took a CE+bootloader image then you may want to transfer to your desktop and reload just the CE image but if your card reader is down I guess you can't do that. So if you have access to another XDA just redo a backup making sure you just have the CE image.
Why are you so determined to loose the 5.22 bootloader ? if it works on a 3.x image just leave it there its not doing any harm. If you are really nervous I will try a 3.x image on my XDA with 5.22 and let you know before you try on yours.
Let me know soon I live in Australia and its Friday night and the pub is calling.
Richard

You bet that I am nervous.
I would greatly appreciate your help in trying this first.
You can also e-mail me at [email protected]
Regards

I did try it and the Rom is downgraded now.
I still need to downgrade the bootloader so I can use XDAtools easily.
Will the same method work if I backup both the Win CE and Boot?

You don't need to HONHESTLY all the tools work fine on 5.22 BELEIVE me
If you must then yes is the simple answer but there is always a risk that it will go wrong and screw your XDA
Richard
Off to the pub now

OK got it all figured out!
I had:
A Rogers ATT (Canadian phone) running the Rogers ATT ROM.
Rom: R.20.x (don't remember) probably a 3.x
Radio Version: A.20.10
Bootloader: 5.22
Here are my steps. I will skip everything that went wrong on my journey and go straight to the point.
First I tried to use the new XDATools to upgrade the rom via Program A but with no sucess so used on method. !
NOTE: Their is not need in Canada to upgrade radio version cause the phone is already shipped with the latest. !
1- Used the old version of XDArit 1.0 to burn Wallaby Bootloader 5.15 from JEff's tools on my SD card (32Mb) with a Dazzle SD card reader
2- Inserted the card in my XDA and started the actual bootloader 5.22 and pressed action to download boot image.
3- Used XDATools (New version/product) to burn the SN40016wwe_vs.bin (see 4.0.16 rom is here post). (XDARit failed to get that one on the SD).
3- Inserted the card in my XDA and started the actual bootloader NOW 5.15 and pressed action to download CE image.
4- Did a soft reset and got T Mobile prompt... !
5- That's it phone works A1. !

Thanks for the info Yanick
So now u have 5.15?
What is SN40016wwe_vs.bin and where to get it from?
Is it specific to the ROm version you are upgrading to?

Hello,
I have to say I am kinda of lost now (not unusal :lol: )
I was thinking that the problem is in the boatloader but when I followed your method, my XDA seems to run 5.15 now.
Why an I still unable to use the XDAtools to write a new Rom file?
When I try to, I go as far as seeing upgrading in the laptop and on the XDA screem but then the connection (I use USB) is lost between the laptop and the XDA
When I try to upgrade the RSU (an excutable file), it goes as far as downloading the file to my XDA and restarting it to get a button saying start on my xda screen. When I press it I get the error message saying "als Failed " after 1% downloading?
If it is not the bootloader that was the problem, what is it?
Or am I having a non 100% functional bootloader now (5.15) or what?
:shock:

OK so you are running Bootloader 5.15...
Now download 4.0.16 ROM CE from
refer to this topic for download
http://xda-developers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2354
Then Use XDATools to burn image on a 64MB or greater SD card. Then Reset your PDA using (RESET + POWER) combination with the SD card already in the machine and it should prompt you to download CE .. Press Action and here you go !

stupid, stupid

after a upgrade that didn't work (RSU) my xda is dead, after a cold boot the message appears
"wallaby bootloader v5.15" GSM ERROR
after a search in this forum, i found the yorch.net link and bakked a ROM.
What are the protocols to put everything back again, i bought a cardreader and a SD Card, and put the ROM in the card reader and put the copy on the Card. Nothing is working, and now the card reader cannot read the card again,
Did i maked 2 horreble mistakes, a dead xda and card?
sa a you can see i'm a dumbo with these things.
Please help me, of a link to a posting thats working out for me
grettings Jaap de Ridder
[email protected]

To be honest, I think you may have ****ed it. If it says GSM error, I'd presume that you screwed the radio stack, so it's be tuned to a different network/GSM, (e.g. 900, 1800, 1900 etc) I'm still a beginner but if you edit the radio stack, you can't downgrade which would mean it's been set to a different GSM country/code thingy.
I've tried upgrading ROM once but it screwed up first time, but I made sure it wouldn't modify the radio stack. With the ROM's you can downgrade but with the radio stack it's permanent.
Good luck, getting it working...I just hope you haven't killed the stack, but me being a learner still, I only know so much.
I have an SD/MMC card arriving to try to get mine back in action, but time will tell if it's possible.

so ****ed up
hereby i understand that there is no posibillity to work again with my XDA
I have no idea what to now, my knowledge about these things is over my head.
I tryed to make a new rom, but from what and where to ??
In the trashcan with it.

Not so fast. I'm not an expert on this but I have found that almost anything on this unit can be fixed.
I have done what I am telling you nelow and it worked for me.
Download the XDA OS Image Tools application from the xda-developers site (http://www.xda-developers.com/XDAtools). Burn your rom to an sd card using the XDA OS Image Tools application and your card reader (the application won't work with the card reader on windows 98 but xp and 2000 works fine). Next put the sd card in your xda and go into bootloader mode. It should recognize the OS on the sd card and allow you to flash the xda. Afterward, pull the card out and hard reboot the xda. This should get you up and running. Next, you need to get the radio stack back. This can be done by first determining what stack you want/need to put on the phone (there are a few on http://www.yorch.net in the Upgrades section). Once you've downloaded a radio stack you need to extract out the four files (monitor_ul_bs.m0, monitor_us_bl.map, RSUpgrade.cp64, RSUpgrade.exe). Connect your xda to your pc via activesync and copy the 4 files to your windows directory on the xda. You can also reformat your sd card and copy the four files to the sd card and transfer them to your xda using the sd card slot on the xda. In any event, once you copied the files onto your xda, go into file explorer on your xda find the RSUpgrade.exe file and double click it. It should begin upgrading your radio stack. Afterward, reset your phone and you should have a completely functional xda (oS and radio stack).
Regards,

I forgot to mention that you should make sure the phone portion of your xda is off when you upgrade the radio stack. I caused myself problems upgrading the stack with the phone portion on and it took me a while to get it back working.

and now I'm very confused, because i downloaded the latest XDAtools.exe , i have install these and then, if i go to the OSImageTool, i can browse to.......?? it seams it looking for a file *.nb1 (windows CE) where is that file, i have never made a backup (ROM) from my XDA.
So how i am makeing a booteble ROM
greeting
jaap
Using win2000 prof. NL

Where can i (or from who) download a copy of a working OS PPC 2002 O2-NL in a NB1 format, this to save my XDA
thanks
jaap de ridder
[email protected]

Go to www.yorch.net, choose your rom, uncheck all the additional software, at the bottom left of screen are all options for download, choose the sd card method, once downloaded, write it to your card reader/writer using xdatools then follow instructions from previous person posting.

I did bakked a rom at yorch.net, the XDA downloaded it and after a cold boot, the only screen i get is a blank screen with an icon of a keybord in the right corner in the bottom. nothing is working and the configurationscreen of windows is also not there.
what have i done wrong???
i'm getting deperate now.
greetings
jaap

Can you advise what was happening on the xda while you were flashing the rom? You should have seen numbers at the bottom of your xda increasing incrementally while the flashing process was in progress. Also once the actual flashing was done you should have seen something like "checksum ok" and "cold reboot" (or cold reset). Did you see that?

I think the battery wasn't in full charghe, because during the updateproces the screen was off, he was on 18% of the update that time.
After that, everything is going wrong.

From the sound of it, you didn't flash it using the bootloader process. Using the booloader process the xda should not be connected to the pc at all and the flashing process doesn't show percentages of completion. If your xda screen was off and you saw 18% complete I assume you saw 18% complete on your pc. If so, you were not flashing it via the bootloader. The bootloader process doen't rely onn the pc at all as your xda is never connected to the pc during the process and the screen is always on during the process.
Using xdatools browse and locate your downloaded rom (nb1 file) as your source file.
Then, the destination should be the sd card (not the xda card slot but the sd card reader that you connected - it should show up as a choice if it's properly connected and you're not using windows 98)
Hit the copy button. Once it's done, you have a bootable sd card.
Put the sd card into your xda.
Go into booloader by pressing the power button and soft resetting at the same time.
xda should recognize the sd card and allow you to flash the os.
Try this and see if you can get this far. you have to get to that point to proceed.

can't get the xda to load from sd to upgrade to WM2003

hello,
i'm using the xdatools to put the nk file on the SD card, but when i hard reset my xda, i get into bootloader 5.22 mode, it says "gsm ok", and when i press the action button i get into a test menu.
How can i load the nk file from my sd card? please help.
thanks guys.

Did you place the ROM on the SD card by browsing to your device (...) or using the drop down and choosing your SD reader or XDA SD slot?
I had the same problem until I used the drop down... if you browse to your card, XDA tools will not create a bootable SD.

i used directy dropping down the box to SD

When you use the drop down menu on the destination there should be a drive letter next to your card eg: F: 59.60M USB sd reader or similar, choose that and it should work.

do we soft reset or hard reset
well after loading nk.nbf file
do we soft reset or hard reset to get into bootloader.
also,
the drive letter in destination folder will come if u use card reader,
but if in expansion slot than it does not give the drive letter.

Hello
I did hard reset .

I am having this same problem...
I download to the SD card through the cradle, using the phone's expansion slot. I do a SOFT RESET, to get the bootloader, and all I get is a GSM OK message. If I hit the action button, I then get into the test menu.

Hello
Means you have no nb.1 on your SD card .

as per the instructions I've been following that have been listed in detail here on this site as well as the att siemens support forums, you are supposed to copy the nk.nbf file and use that with the OS Image tool...is this incorrect?

OSImage
I just installed new ROM from new ROM Kitchen .
http://lumpistefan.dyndns.org/
1) Get the file on your desktop ( download or ...I do not care)
2) Open OSInage
3) Source :arrow: Brows to your file
4) Destination :arrow: your SD card (where is it :?: -on your phone
or on the SD card reader)
5) Copy the file to SD card (takes 20 seconds)
6) Remove the XDA from the cradle and soft reset with power button held in.
7) When it says press action to download, push the big button between dial and hangup.
8) Hard reset.
9) Injoy the rest of your day

No way getting SD-Card recognized
Hello,
i have the same problem, the ROM (Made with xda-tools or XDArit) on sd-card is not recognized to download when i boot into bootloader!
I found no way to get this running.
Any ideas?

read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=3274
most likely, your wallaby bootloader is not 5.15. Anything above 5.15 won't work. I could downgrade from 5.17 and 5.22, but not from 6.22
still awaiting for some help to down grade 6.22. Nobody seems to care. THis forum has become "too" big that it is not as effective as before ...
People tend to just "shout" and ask before digging deep enough...
too many people posting the same questions into different threads again and again

andhy said:
read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=3274
most likely, your wallaby bootloader is not 5.15. Anything above 5.15 won't work. I could downgrade from 5.17 and 5.22, but not from 6.22
still awaiting for some help to down grade 6.22. Nobody seems to care. THis forum has become "too" big that it is not as effective as before ...
People tend to just "shout" and ask before digging deep enough...
too many people posting the same questions into different threads again and again
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I'm in the same situation - I have v6.22 on T-Mobile 4.01.00ENG and can't do anything, even with an SD card!
Even the BootLoader downgrade tool with XDATools doesn't work.
Any help with this would be appreciated by many other users in the same situation.

The downgrade batch file in XDA-Tools doesn't work for a lot of people (didn't work for me either). However the wallaby patch should work. Otherwise, use XDARit to downgrade the bootloader using the .nb0 file that comes with the downgrade batch in XDA-Tools.
You write the wallaby patch onto the SD card using XDARit, go into the bootloader and enter diagnostics. Then take the SD card out, write bootloader 5.15 onto the card using the bootloader option in XDARit, and place the SD card back into the device. Then from the patched diagnostics screen select Restore SD and it will recognize a bootloader update. I'd recommend saving your original bootloader from the diagnostics first, but that wouldn't work for me for some reason.

i had a 5.17 boot loader that i downgraded to 5.15 via OS image tools, i also downloaded a rom file from the Kitchen & wrote it on SD but i still can't load from SD & i only get the test phase thing

i also downloaded a rom file from the Kitchen & wrote it on SD but i still can't load from SD & i only get the test phase thing
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Try using XDRit instead of XDA-Tools (use the older version of XDRit instead of the newer version). I'm not sure what you mean by "test phase", but maybe your bootloader screwed over during the update? If so you may need to rectify that first, but that's definately beyond me. If you burn the image correctly onto the card it should pick up automatically as soon as you enter the bootloader with 5.15. If you don't burn it correctly then it won't be picked up.
I'm just throwing in my 2c because I've made all this stuff work with a 5.15 downgrade. There's a possibility the thing simply doesn't like your card too, so try a different 64MB SD.

well i do have a 256 mb card & as far as i can tell the downgrade worked fine, now to use the xdarit files to i need to have the SD reader or i can do it the same way i do in XDAtools which is directly into the card through Active Sync

where i am going wrong!!!!!!!!

hi,
well i tried to upgrade my xda1 to windows 2003,
here is the description of the problem i m facing....
i used xda tools(osimage tool) to transfer nk.nbf file to my sd card-> go into bootloader(wallaby bootloader 5.17)
->says gsm ok and starts taking test(like tap test, recording test, sd card test etc) which it should not...
and is not loading the os software. (getting stuck in one of the test like sd card test)
well following things i tried:
1. transfered nk.nbf file, tried both from siemens site as well as from yorche.net site--->both giving same problem.------->using xdatools.
2. tried loading the sd ,tried both destinations -->xda slot and as well as the card reader.
3. using drop down only to choose the destination.
4. also after loading sd the current rom asks to format (which means sd is loaded properly)
5. initially it was not loading the bootloader then i fixed it using xda tools , after that i started getting wallaby bootloader 5.17
6. now after going to bootloader it starts taking various test and shows no sign of loading the new os.
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now i have moved as per the instruction and tried everything mentioned above to install wk3 but all in vain....
dont know where the problem seems to lie....
need suggestions desperately...
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current rom:3.17.03
stack:4.21
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current rom working ok.
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maybe it's a problem with the nbf file content ... did u try burning the nbf file directly to the ROM using the XDAtools ?

You arent hitting any other button when entering bootloader are you? Just press the stylus in reset while holding power, it shouldnt go into test mode unless another button is pushed, maybe you have a button stuck or something.

any more suggestions............
well if burning means choosing source to nk.nbf and destination to drop down
to sd card using xda tools then yes i did burning....
also i m sure no other buttons are pressed or thing like that....
any more suggestions............

I meant by burning to make the destination to be the XDA flash ROM

any more..
ya i tried burning to.,...
same problem.

can your sdcard reader read whats on the sdcard (it's not suppose to be able to read after it's been flashed with the rom)
also are you 100% sure that your nbf file is valid ? maybe it's broken

more suggestions ....
well after loading sd card , i cant browse to read it, moreover xda asks to format, which is the sign that card is loaded ok.
secondly i have tried nk.nbf file from siemens as well as yorche.net,
both should not give same problem, which it is.

this mention the 5.17 bootloader you should read it
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/WallabyBootloader

Rudegar said:
this mention the 5.17 bootloader you should read it
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/WallabyBootloader
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The best way that I've found is to find somebody with a XDA that has the 5.15 bootloader then do a CE+BOOT TO SD then do a SD restore.
Sounds like a good project for some of the ROM Kitchen owners doesn't! :wink:

I killed my XDA O2 1 ... HELP

I dowloaded a cooked ROM with an EXE format but it failed in the middle of the installation. Now it does not boot. Please help. My bootloader is 3.17. How would it be possible to downgrade my device to 3.15 when I cant even connect to the activestink. I am stumped.... I know you guys are heroes out there ... please advise me ....

No card reader available?
I do not have a card reader to dump images on my SD card .. at the moment. Is there an alternative to creat an image to flash my device ... please help... thanks

You can use another XDA device to copy your NK file to the SD card using XDAtools (OSImage tool)

USB FLASH for XDA 02 - Is is possible to use this>
The USB Flash Mode - I was able to activate it by getting in the Wallaby Bootloader Screen 5.17 then Pressing the VOLUME BUTTON.
Question is, would it be possible for me to flash the device using this method?
What are the steps to initiate this? Can XDA tools be used to flash using USB flash? thanks