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Typical scenario is;
v 0.1 based on this and that.
v 0.2 changed launcher, added ringtones
v 0.3 new wallpapers, added ram script
v 0.4 added new market, added google+
Excuse me!?! This is not development. This is stealing!
I think these people should just wank instead of copy/pasting. Would be more beneficial for both public and themselves.
Rant over.
Thank you.
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Typical scenario is;
v 0.1 based on this and that.
v 0.2 changed launcher, added ringtones
v 0.3 new wallpapers, added ram script
v 0.4 added new market, added google+
Excuse me!?! This is not development. This is stealing!
I think these people should just wank instead of copy/pasting. Would be more beneficial for both public and themselves.
Rant over.
Thank you.
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Agreed, but if credit is given to original devs you can't really call it "stealing" cause Android is OSP after all...I'm no dev myself but it does seem many ROMs available are CM tweaks achievable with a few market downloads or simply AOSP with extra's...however sometimes certain ROMs begin as "Zip developments" and get later support with real devs and change fundamental features (kernels, code-base etc.) so it's not all bad...
Totally agree..........
But it's not the actual non-development of new roms that is getting on my nerves the most, its the constant *****ing and arguing through lack of understanding different languages etc etc..........
All i have to say is read the threads carefully as i've noticed some people who don't speak english very well get the hump on as they don't understand clearly what people are saying.
I know i've had my rants in some of these threads before and i don't blame anyone else for doing it too. I've managed to restrain myself the last few weeks as our arguments are falling on deaf ears so whats the point, i'll just ignore the idiots making fools out of themselves by bringing us stuff we've already had for a long time and stick to what i know best.
What you've said is true Scratch...even if the ROM cookers do bring something new often nobody knows what that new stuff is because of the poor English. I'm not trying to insult them but I would recommend, especially with a specialized thing such as compiling/ making a ROM, the English needs to be clear and concise so everyone knows what is being released, what changes have been made and what's been modified. More often than not, as you say Scratch, people get upset because of a misunderstanding. Maybe those struggling with the language can consult friends/devs and ask exactly how to express something they've done in their ROM so everybody is clear on what's happening.
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...I've managed to restrain myself the last few weeks...
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True, I have got quite a lot to say over this entire fiasco over the Android 4.0 "ports" and "source builds" that is currently playing out in the dev zone like a long dragging soap opera, but, its just not worth it, so, just let them argue over themselves who is first and who is the true dev and what not. Besides, it's not a good feeling when these Zip Devs accuse you of various stuffs when you speak out against them. It's extremely childish and irritating to read those posts, but I guess it can't be helped. Zip developers are not a localized phenomenon, they are everywhere, and since Android and ROMs like Cyanogenmod are Open Source, we have nothing to say, and have to live with it.
There's another new phenomenon which is playing out and can be seen on pretty much every ROM. Someone gets a ROM to boot / work at a basic level, create a thread and build up major hype and hoopla on it, and EVERYONE of these "devs" proclaim "I need help to do this and do that./..... bla bla bla". Zip dev is not such a big issue per se, but, the level of intellect is terribly low among the "devs". I believe most of them are what? 12-13 year olds, and, they act their age perfectly, unlike someone like Jacob.
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Case in point, after Arco has announced his intentions and the fact he already has a working port in progress:
I was first, it was my idea, I continue and basta.
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Enough said.
Ahah, doing small things for the buzz (pun intended), acquiring a fame in trolland
Lol, I've made myself clear on this too.
" the ability to read is good,
the ability to understand what you've read is great "
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...om-developers-i-think-we-need-to-have-a-talk/
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dragging soap opera.
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Don't you mean aosp opera? Hehe...okay, I'll stop with the bad jokes.
And I fully agree with the topic. Anyone can open up any rom .zip paste in some apps, reflash and repackage it as your own.
Agree with this. Sadly I'm one of the offenders, that will have a moan at people developing zip-roms. I accept that this isnt the greatest way to deal with people on forums like theese. But it seems the only good way to get my point across to people that aren't that great at english.
Although, I must add one thing. I've seen roms get tossed around the development forums like mad. It seems to go like this in the dev. forums.
People create a booting rom. Or compile a new one.
People add a few fixes, someone creates a spin off.
Original dev discontinues rom, other 'developers' ask to continue it, even when they have projects in hand.
Someone picks up the pieces months later. After even the re-contiuned rom is given up with.
People spin roms off from there.
All i can say is dear god. I have been reading all that threads last few days and i was frapped how people are shalow in glorifying them selves and their so called development skills. I didnt want to coment anything cauze i have run into such argument once before with someone who was constantly refusing to understand what i am saying and i dont want to do it again, so i leave my thoughts here.
So people should get on the ground for change and start doing something usefull instead of make dozen threads, first when you dig something, than another one when you are asking if it can be done and finaly one when you "do" something. What they have done is nothing. They are just thanks chasers. In last few days there were more new roms than it was for whole Wildfire lifetime.
I remember tje days when there was just three or four roms and they worked, you hear me, they worked. So stop posting such s**t unles u did something that is realy worth it.
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Yes you are right, zip development is horrible. Lately there has been a major rise in "new" roms that have been hitting the development thread. I swear I have seen at least 5 to 10 roms all based on CM7 or oxygen. And what's different? It's "fast and stable" "Is themed to look like ICS" "Has a script that I actually don't know what it does but it must do something good". And its "my" rom because I grabbed a rom.zip from a device that runs oxygen smoothly and added the boot.img and the build prop right from the CM7 rom.zip and then cooked it and I posted it under MY account so its MY rom. There is a problem though, my genius copy/paste skills on my computer that took forever to build up are limited to actually being able to fix problems with things like Bluetooth and GPS, etc. So what do I do then? Hell I request "help" to fix the problems and once a genius like acro or another real dev comes in and fixes it for me, I take the fix and say it was all MY work. AOSP stands for ANDROID OPEN SOURCE PROJECT. The source is open to anyone that can use linux terminal (that's half the problem). The other problem is that no one could be bothered taking the time to actually learn a skill. They want to do something now, and now only. They won't spend hours and days learning how to program in java or C because it takes "too long" and just wants to begin this so called "deving" now. This is a rant about zip development, but wait you say, I do .zip development though? Yes I do, but what I am talking about is .zip development that is based on a .zip that is actually OPEN SOURCE. If something is OPEN SOURCE there is no point in taking a compiled .zip and "porting it" to our device. You do this because its easy for you to hit download and copy and paste, but you don't "have the time" to setup a download of the source and compile it to a rom. Zip development that is for CLOSED SOURCE on the other hand is way different. HTC, MIUI, etc. are all roms that have no open source code so all the work has to be done based on a .zip. Since the code is not available this is the only option. This in my opinion is the only kind of good .zip development since there is no source to build from. I would love to download the source and mess around with the ICS source and try to compile something but my computer is got really bad specs and my internet is so slow. I will just leave that kind of work to acro and the real devs
I agree with this. Looking through the more recent Wildfire ROMS, I can see a pattern for most. So, I have started to come up with a fight back, for individuality and mostly, for a better mobile experience. It would mean a lot if you could help me out with THIS.
Sorry to ask in this thread, but I thought it might be a good idea
Before I get accused of zipfile developing, I only compiled an edited kernel for the ROM to allow touchscreen to work a little.
I am not a "zipfile" developer and I am not going to be, my interest is in kernels.
I happened to come to xda at the wrong time, first thing kaassaus did was ask me to follow a tutorial to get touchscreen working (which took all of 20 seconds).
I think posting an ICS zip is okay FOR NOW because there is no OPEN source for the wildfire for it, and Arco is NOT breaking the GPL because he hasn't redistributed it yet.
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We are not accusing anyone. My point is dev section is not a learning section. Those who want to learn development can pop into chefs section instead of releasing a rom with 2 zillion bugs.
There is a reason for this forum is not called xda-tweakers. Because our devs are devs. They are not steve jobs like tweakers.
2nd rant over. Class dismissed
Okay, Zip development is not so bad, actualy is needed in some points. For flashing kernels or some other things. But look at some of that AOSP-fast and stable roms. What do they bring us? Nothing. It is just repacked CM nightly or stable. To "develop" such rom you need WinZip and in best case Android SDK if they decide to decompile and recompile few apps instead of treating them with winzip too to change few icons and voila, NEW ROM. Better yet someome will take any theme and implement it into framework.And he will be so proud because his rom has diferent look. What else we can still expect is ES file explorer instead of OI, Miui galery, themed keyborad, different font and unforgetable scripts which do god knows what. They are the main part. Is that a rom? No it isn't my dear friends. Its a disrespect to any real developer here. All that we already have. We have themes, we have scripts we have everything that flashable and we dont need another yet ****y rom to tell us what is fast and stable.
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I don't find anything wrong in updating an already present ROM's with new applications update ,... even though i must say there is a trend in past few weeks that lot of ROM's in buzz section were merely identical and there was no development in them
I was browsing the old threads of the Dev Zone, and came on this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884659
Amazing, right? It's deja vu all over again.. (PS - Don't bump that please. lol)
I am a noob, and I know I will never be as experienced as other developers.
That is why I do not develop ROMs, and develop things I am good at.
TO MODERATORS:
before you remove this thread --- please read:
I started to get a little p*ssed off regarding the infrequency of updates and lack of actual benefits to being a "groupie" for Galnet... so I posted this on the forums...
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BBenefits of being a groupie right now:
None.
Reasons:
-there are already several implementations of MIUIV4 for the SGS2 based on work by Team Hacksung. I would have thought this was something Galnet would already have a release for with similar functionaity.... in reality... no...
-the changes made my the Galnet team are rather minimal over the weekly updates provided by the MIUI team already
-lack of frequency of updates, lack of actual changes from stock versions - half part of the previous reason, and half because you would expect a modified version of a ROM to be modified more often than it's "stock" counterpart.
-reverting to stock animations in MIUI builds... this is an attractive feature which might actually encourage more folk to sign up, yet seems to have just been excluded from weekly builds....
Can I just make raise something worth discussing please in that the reason the forums are so completely void of any discussion (which roughly translates as "interest") is because there is almost nothing happening.
If there are lots of things happening in the background, you need to let people know. Before you start flaming me, I've paid less money for PC games that took years to develop and are still being updated on a regular basis. I understand that paying to be a groupie wasn't just for our benefit, but to aid and encourage development, but it's certainly not marketed as a "donation"... it's marketed as a subscription... and since I joined.. there has been 1 or 2 releases...
Please do not flame me purely because you are passionate about open source development and because you don't think we have a "right" to complain... but I am starting to understand why Galnet has become the swear word of the XDA environment.
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Don't want to discourage development and be unfair to the competion -- but my last comment pretty much sums up the issue...
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I will not post links to what I am talking about, those who are aware will already know who/what I am referring to.
I stopped using Galnet as I found releases a number of days late and they seemed to get worse and worse (their reaction to their rom not booting correctly was 're-wipe and reflash before rebooting after first install....why not just fix that and re-upload it...).
As soon as I saw they were using their forums to advertise their web design services I decided to not bother checking back. Clearly not making enough from their groupie system...Probably for the reasons you posted.
I was "THIS" close to join the groupie back in the "chameleon" days but i was lucky that i changed my mind. Galnet has depreciated and i dont have any faith in them anymore. They used to be a quick and fast release group eventhough people label em as zipper/cooker but now, its almost dead.
Plus i live in the world where Galnet only release much for NexusS and GalaxyS so, bye bye Galnet. Your zipping work has been pleasant for me all these while curing my tears upon Bmarko leaving MIUI development
Galnet ROMs are banned from XDA for several reasons, not the least of which is GPL violations.
So, I don't see how discussing this little drama in the GSII General Section serves any purpose whatsoever but to bring nonsense that the overwhelming majority of people here could not care less about.
Closed.
I understand, after 2+ years, that ROM development and the forums for the EVO are gonna slow down. Devs are going to move on to other devices, but there is a really disturbing trend here that is irritating the hell out of me.
ROMs used to be released as Aplha's Beta's RC's, final, etc. You could look at the OP and see everything about the ROM. Devs took their time crafting something unique.
Now, I'm seeing these ROMS come out at a rapid pace and I'm not liking it for several reasons.
1) Poorly written OP's that don't even list the Android base version or the kernel, etc.
2) The same ROM with different names and the only real differences are a few 3rd party apps, or a slight theme change.
3) ROMs released as finals, with a ton of bugs. I'm not talking about FFC, Netflix, 4G bugs on ICS/JB ROMS; I'm talking about ROMS with no Wifi, for example. The majority use WiFi. Why the HELL would you release something where one of the most important aspects doesn't even work?? It's like not paying attention to details is suddenly OK
Settings that don't stick. Sounds that don't stick. Constant System Process Errors. These are pre-release errors, and I don't see them getting fixed, because it's become like a race to port every other ROM from every other device and tweak to boot up on the Evo, then letting it go.
I REALLY wish I could take the time and learn how to properly cook up my own ROM. My OCD of paying attention to details would probably make it great.
Hipkat thats the best thing ive heard in weeks,someone finally speaking out about the BS thats being posted now days and its like everyones in a race to see who can come out with the most borked roms,lol,like you said,they are all the same,except the apps and some themeing and half of them cant do that either,i'm sure this isnt meant to be a bashing session,its just getting rediculous with the drama some are causing and all the crappy ass roms being released,some guys do know what their doing,theres been 1 or 2 that i've put out that i shouldnt have,but come on guys at least take your time and try to do it right,only takes a little common sense and effort.If you havent noticed,over half the members and devs have left because of the BS,when i started doing roms,it was fun,nows its just a big joke,lol.
I dont care if anyone gets pissed about this and i'm sure they will,but oh well life goes on,you will eventually get over it.
It's definitely not a bashing, but a call for Devs to take a little more time and do it right
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It's definitely not a bashing, but a call for Devs to take a little more time and do it right
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I don't Dev, Cook, Build, Port or whatever term is used so I have alot of respect for those that do. With that being said I would also state that I am in complete agreement with you and Diablo.
I look at damned near every topic started in the Dev forum just to see what is being made. I take weeks to look at a new ROM and follow the threads to see what comes of it (with the only exception being Mazda's new CAJB ROM. On that one I went with name recognition and am pleased that I did)
In regards to the mass influx of ROMs I'll say this: If you guys don't take the time to keep up with each item you produce, work on bugs, add new options, answer questions from the users then you'll soon find yourself out of favor. Your reputation here, just like in RL, is something of value. It takes very little to earn trust, respect and loyalty. Most people will always give you the benefit of the doubt. Do something to devalue that trust and it can be nearly impossible to regain.
I think some wisdom can be gleaned by the following quote:
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I've seen devs, chefs, hackers, w/e, that make statements like "I do this for myself and just choose to share" or things to that effect. I call BS. I won't speak for anyone else but myself when I say, I do this for the thrill of it, for the challenge, to learn, and to share. I'd be lying if I said I didn't care about d/l numbers or that seeing my thanks meter grow did not give me some juvenalalistic (is that a word?) thrill. The fact is, guys like me doing this stuff get off on it...
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We know why you do it, and if you want to keep your junkies and not lose your rep, then make sure you take the time to Develop your craft and thereby make a better product for the masses...
Sorry for the rant
Well said, and nice quote from Jamie, who, btw, you notice took a lot of time with Reloaded
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Well said, and nice quote from Jamie, who, btw, you notice took a lot of time with Reloaded
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...lol, 'nuff said!
I think everyone needs to remember the difference between Development and Port / Theme / Tweak / Mod. That simple labeling would be a start
Over in Evo LTE land, they have finally recognized this distinction by creating entirely separate forums for "HTC EVO 4G LTE Android Development" and "HTC EVO 4G LTE Original Android Development"
One is for tweaks or ports, and the other is for people who actually compile something.
I made a request for the same original dev section but got denied as our device is to old.
I agree that there are a ton of ports and not enough originality or bugs being fixed. What I would like to state us that the op is stating that a lot have some third party apps but that's like calling the kettle black. You yourself have a rerelease of a miui from where all you did was slap your team name in the thread. I believe the original thread still exists. I'm not calling you out at all but at the same time the work that goes into all these ports or mods or what not is a ton. I myself have my rom thread and some new stuff coming out but I don't call people out usually on their stuff unless its a pure kang(meaning an actual using of ur work with out permission) not a duplicate port.
Yeah some of the revs here could put a little more work in and for sure learn to organize their rom thread a whole hell of a lot better but at the same time who else do u see bringing the newest and best to a two year old device.
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It's not that they have 3rd party apps, all ROMS do, it's that some ROMS are just the same ROM with a few different 3rd party apps, or a slight variation in theming, and I mean real slight, but tbh, my biggest beef was with the OP not even listing what kernel is in the ROM, or if it has A2SD or a way to get it working, or the version of Android it's based on, etc.
Add in bug reports that get ignored or the person posting the report gets demeaned for it.
Mostly, it's just the sloppiness that I see going on over the last few months. Too hasty to release something without really perfecting it first
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It's not that they have 3rd party apps, all ROMS do, it's that some ROMS are just the same ROM with a few different 3rd party apps, or a slight variation in theming, and I mean real slight, but tbh, my biggest beef was with the OP not even listing what kernel is in the ROM, or if it has A2SD or a way to get it working, or the version of Android it's based on, etc.
Add in bug reports that get ignored or the person posting the report gets demeaned for it.
Mostly, it's just the sloppiness that I see going on over the last few months. Too hasty to release something without really perfecting it first
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I can agree with that there. sloppy op's without all the listings of what is added or taken out and what its running with a q & a section amoung other things.
I feel like we developers and porters alike should make a check list. Every time you want to post something, run through the list and then once everything is there, read again. If it seems like a business proposition (detailed, understandable, provocative and complete) then, that is the right moment to unleash it.
Thats exactly what i do,i make a list in notepad of what i want to do to the rom,then i go through and check it off as i go,wahla,i have a channelog,so to speak,then post it on the thread.Just like in my 4 Kornerz thread..... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1612933
Same thing I'm gonna do as I try and update this MIUI GB ROM
What's funny is that the main reason I always hated opening ROM threads is because I'm completely OCD and feel like the posts have to make perfect sense. I try for my thread to make a little bit of sense at least at this point. And I try to keep change logs, bug reports & FAQs up to date.
But then again, I only have one ROM thread in this device section.
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Current Device: HTC EVO 4G LTE | ROM: toasted-deck CM10 | Kernel: Stock
Kernel should be listed.
a2sd included/not included AND if a specific version is known to work/not work.
Gapps included/not included (you can usually tell from the size of the ROM, but still)
SuperSU vs. Superuser
Wifi and data working/not working
Boot animation audio (can lead to uncomfortable moments when flashing in restrooms, in bed, around family or in TSA security lines--- yes, all personal experiences)
Probably much more...
RootzWiki kinda sorta tried to standardize some of that in OP headers. Would be cool to see that concept expanded in a visually pleasing manner. But, I know people like sprucing up their OP to their liking. Example:
Source: https://github.com/s...mmc-ra-recovery
Mod Type: Recovery Difficulty: Moderate Mod Status: Kang Mod Base: Carrier:
Requires Root: Yes Apply In: Fastboot Optional: Themed Optional: Android Version:
I think ports are great. If the developer is planning on just bringing it over and leaving it alone I think that's fine, but they should be upfront and say "Hey, I did this. Probably won't do any more with it myself, but anyone is welcome to add to it. Otherwise, enjoy."
What I'd really like to see is the people who respond first after an OP + OP reserved do something with that slot besides planting their flag of happening to be online at the right time (e.g. "First. Looks cool!"). They could take the lead, especially for very active developers with many ROMs and threads, to follow that thread and maintain an updated ROM Cheat Sheet/Known Fixes post. How many times have you followed the development of a ROM and things like the new boot animation didn't make it into the next update because the developer forgot. Then people post, "Hey, what happened to the boot ani" five or six times. Then a nice person posts it on Dropbox. Then a few people say other things. Then people repeat the question. Then people point them to the Dropbox link two pages back. Repeat. Repeat. Probably wouldn't matter though since a lot of people never read the OP. They sure wouldn't read that. I'll shut up.
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Kernel should be listed.
a2sd included/not included AND if a specific version is known to work/not work.
Gapps included/not included (you can usually tell from the size of the ROM, but still)
SuperSU vs. Superuser
Wifi and data working/not working
Boot animation audio (can lead to uncomfortable moments when flashing in restrooms, in bed, around family or in TSA security lines--- yes, all personal experiences)
Probably much more...
RootzWiki kinda sorta tried to standardize some of that in OP headers. Would be cool to see that concept expanded in a visually pleasing manner. But, I know people like sprucing up their OP to their liking. Example:
Source: https://github.com/s...mmc-ra-recovery
Mod Type: Recovery Difficulty: Moderate Mod Status: Kang Mod Base: Carrier:
Requires Root: Yes Apply In: Fastboot Optional: Themed Optional: Android Version:
I think ports are great. If the developer is planning on just bringing it over and leaving it alone I think that's fine, but they should be upfront and say "Hey, I did this. Probably won't do any more with it myself, but anyone is welcome to add to it. Otherwise, enjoy."
What I'd really like to see is the people who respond first after an OP + OP reserved do something with that slot besides planting their flag of happening to be online at the right time (e.g. "First. Looks cool!"). They could take the lead, especially for very active developers with many ROMs and threads, to follow that thread and maintain an updated ROM Cheat Sheet/Known Fixes post. How many times have you followed the development of a ROM and things like the new boot animation didn't make it into the next update because the developer forgot. Then people post, "Hey, what happened to the boot ani" five or six times. Then a nice person posts it on Dropbox. Then a few people say other things. Then people repeat the question. Then people point them to the Dropbox link two pages back. Repeat. Repeat. Probably wouldn't matter though since a lot of people never read the OP. They sure wouldn't read that. I'll shut up.
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LOL, you forgot 'Lather, Rinse...'
Who else clicked the link
While I agree with the OP 100%, I think at the end of the day there is NO rule that states that you need to do all that..... This is for FREE, and therefore we should be happy with we get on our EVO's nowadays..... I wish developers took their time to put a fully detail change log, bug list Q&A's section, but honestly if we don't like the way certain devs handle their threads, then just move on to the next Rom either way I don't develop, and I can figure out most stuff regarding a Rom by myself now, so I'm just thankful for all the roms out for the og EVO.
Edit: what I would like to know is what's going on with all the Rom teams flip flopping, what's up with that? Sorry to go off topic, lol.
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Sorry, but while I appreciate the freeness of the work done and am grateful for it, there should still be enough info to identify exactly what you're getting into.
Perfect example. A lot of ICS/JB ROMS require the patched A2SD file. Good luck finding it. Why not add a link to the OP?? Same with GAPPS
And the date that it was released is much appreciated, although not as critical. The Android version if it's a Sense and/or GB ROM is definitely something that should be there, along with the kernel.
PHE-NOM said:
Edit: what I would like to know is what's going on with all the Rom teams flip flopping, what's up with that? Sorry to go off topic, lol.
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Two teams merged. Some people have left teams. I myself left td to not look partial towards a certain group.
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Hello Everyone
I have come across device tree for Hima M9/CyanogenMod 12.1 with a custom Kernel. (If I'll tell you the name of either , you'd Google in a second)
The developer is a genius and trust me you'd see both of these within a month. Stay tuned for updates.
I can attach screenshots but I'd not post links as previous experiences that I had meant that people started troubling the developer and he quit the project all together. Respect the developers and read in my signature about development process and what it is actually like to be one.
This is just a confirmation and I can actually prove it to everyone who are interested.
I see many device tree updates every day so I am sure once CM12.1 is available officially, it'd open gates for all sorts of custom ROMs!
Attachments coming in few hours as I'm heading out
wow that would be awesome! cant wait to run a pure android rom on this beast
*all f***** fingers crossed*
Yay!
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Hello Everyone
I have come across device tree for Hima M9/CyanogenMod 12.1 with a custom Kernel. (If I'll tell you the name of either , you'd Google in a second)
The developer is a genius and trust me you'd see both of these within a month. Stay tuned for updates.
I can attach screenshots but I'd not post links as previous experiences that I had meant that people started troubling the developer and he quit the project all together. Respect the developers and read in my signature about development process and what it is actually like to be one.
This is just a confirmation and I can actually prove it to everyone who are interested.
I see many device tree updates every day so I am sure once CM12.1 is available officially, it'd open gates for all sorts of custom ROMs!
Attachments coming in few hours as I'm heading out
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The link below is to the thread which its being discussed in within m9 Q&A section. Rashid97 is the dev working on the project
http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/help/cyanogenmod-12-12-1-htc-one-m9-t3069920
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The link below is to the thread which its being discussed in within m9 Q&A section. Rashid97 is the dev working on the project
http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/help/cyanogenmod-12-12-1-htc-one-m9-t3069920
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Yay!
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sweetrobot said:
about ****ing time!!! so sick of the nonSense...
cm / aosp / aokp ftw.
paperweight for the last couple of months. tried a bunch of the existing roms, just not my cup of tea.
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wow that would be awesome! cant wait to run a pure android rom on this beast
*all f***** fingers crossed*
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I am afraid that is not it what you are pointing out.
Here are the screenshots.
You can clearly see that how much commits are posted daily and it is going on at a very brisk rate. Cheer up everyone!
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DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
INTRODUCTION
I am starting this forum in hope of educating my readers about ROM development according to my experiences. Further, I will highlight what is the usual developers' thought process before they decide to build a ROM for a specific device. The reasons why they usually choose a certain device or why they prefer one device over another would also be stated briefly. I also have intention of looking into ways how we can speed up ROM productions for any device and what you can do to play your part.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION FOR NO CUSTOM ROMS EVEN AFTER SOME MONTHS BUT THIS DOESNOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO SPAM
I am sure many of you must be really disappointed by the lack of development for your device and I know this must be frustrating when we see other devices are getting ROMS so quickly. I know many are too excited when they find a little about any OTA/ Custom ROM and sharing such news is fully justified. However, it's beyond my logic & thinking why the forums are SPAMMED for any little information they might find anywhere regardless of their sources or if it has been ALREADY POSTED. I reckon many of these threads could have been avoided by simply searching in the forum.
ROM DEVELOPMENT
I can assure you that many develoeprs are working very hard to PORT and develop different ROMS for a device. However, the reason we can not see any CUSTOM roms till yet is due to complicated nature of a device itself.
Usually developers prefer a device which is :
1. Easy to work with, less complicated to code with or in other terms DEVELOPER friendly. For example, for a while I had a real issue with HTC phones as they have too many things to work with like Bootloader, S Lock, Radios, Hboot version etc while in Nexus devices you only need to unlock your device with one fastboot command. That's all and you are ready to flash ROMs.
2. Personal preference of Device. This simply means that we all have different tastes and thus we choose different devices. A certain developer might only work for a certain brand while other might work with few brands. This has nothing to do with anything but a personal choice.
3. A device that promises reward in terms of money/self satisfaction. Developers usually go for devices which have most active users so if their intention is also to get some money out of it in terms of donation, this will work well with devices which are more in number.
4. Knowledge about a certain brand more than another.
5. MONEY TO BUY A CERTAIN DEVICE/DEVICES. Suppose a developer wants to make ROMS for Xperia L/ SP/Z and Xperia U. Yet he only has 500 dollars to choose from. He then will have to make a choice between devices and this will eventually mean that not all of the devices get the same treatment. Money is the most decisive factor why a developer doesnot chose your device but rather another. For example purpose only, if I have to choose between devices, I might prefer SP over Xperia L as I can see more future of SP than Xperia L(I might be wrong).
6. Simply he bought a device or it is gifted/donated to him
SOME REQUESTS
Please STOP bugging developers by trivial questions. Just think how many other people ask the same question and it gets very frustrating to actually work on the device itself.
Every developer has a LIFE apart from developing ROMs. They also have a family, school, work, hobbies, bad days and so much like us. So they will do it when they feel like doing it. Just sit back and relax. Enjoy your device until developer releases the ROM for your device. Asking a REASONABLE question seems plausible but asking same questions/useless questions without using brains is just STUPID. Kindly refrain from that.
If you have seen a developer who has taken the initiative to work on your device , the best thing to do is to be patient. Let him concentrate. Spamming and spamming again won't help really.Yet some users start SPAMMING developers, their twitters, blogs and accounts. That's really sad. You can discuss on the forum what you think about it but IRKING developers isnot really cool.
WHAT CAN YOU DO TO HELP DEVELOPERS AND SEE CUSTOM ROMS.
1. Search the form first and look for answers. DON'T start new posts/questions/threads when it is ALREADY mentioned in some other section.
2. STOP PMing/SPAMING developers but rather ask a question WHICH havenot been asked before in the forum. Do not engage in the habit of making a new forum for everything. Try to keep threads as little as possible.
3. Follow developers and see what they have updated about on their official twitter,facebook,etc rather than bugging them on different forums/social websites.
4 DONATE THEM. DONATE THEM . DONATE THEM!
The amount of efforts they put, sitting for hours in front of their PCs and I know how frustrating it gets when you try to run commands and everything seems to work yet you can not boot up your ROM. And worse, you can not find WHY really. Just a change in line in build.prop results in failure of ROM to boot up and specially working from source to build ROM is really really tough. The best thing you can do is being supportive and patient !
A ROM development requires not just EXCESSIVE amount of hardwork, time, energy and dedication but also they need MONEY to actually buy devices and try it on. They are happy and encouraged to keep on developing ROMs when they see their efforts are not wasted and they are rewarded and respected for what they do.
SOME BASICS OF ROM DEVELOPMENT
Usually this is required to make a full custom ROM
Blobs which contain hardware information which comes from hardware manufacturer like Qualcomm in case of Snapdragon processors
A fully functional device tree
Latest Android source (Or the android version source you want to build for)
Specific Custom ROM coding which is based on Android Source
Usually a device tree and kernel tree is needed before custom roms can be made available. This is a long trial and error process in which every component of hardware is made functional as usually manufacturers do not provide any code for their devices and thus new code is to be written which is very frustrating and long process!
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Hnk1 said:
I am afraid that is not it what you are pointing out.
Here are the screenshots.
You can clearly see that how much commits are posted daily and it is going on at a very brisk rate. Cheer up everyone!
Request :
Just please do not trouble the developer if you find out who is he.
READ THIS HERE
Alternatively you can see more information in my signature!
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What i pointed is where the developer actually mentioned he his working on it and the link can be sourced by anyone, and people in that thread have been checking the github as mentioned. Theres now two threads on the discussion of cm12.1 which talk similar. All you are doing is not mentioning the dev based someone who used his work without his permission. Also to add the dev replied that thread to have to say they having working booting img just some features aren't working.
Link to his github for the current work
https://github.com/Hima-Dev/android_device_htc_hima-common
Thank GOD
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I'll be happy to donate
I'm really excited about this, because the person doing this is making amazing progress and at last count I want to say it was only Wi-Fi and one other thing not working with said developer already pretty certain that they know how to change that, it's just a lot of trial and error (any dev knows how frustrating it can be having to compile the source all over again to test a tiny change)
What this means for me, personally, is that I can do what I've done on past htc devices and knock out a fairly complete port of miui (some default miui stuff doesn't play nice during flash, like the camera app, so I'll likely include the stock m9 camera app as packaged for other phones so it doesn't rely on sense)
Anyway... ?
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What i pointed is where the developer actually mentioned he his working on it and the link can be sourced by anyone, and people in that thread have been checking the github as mentioned. Theres now two threads on the discussion of cm12.1 which talk similar. All you are doing is not mentioning the dev based someone who used his work without his permission. Also to add the dev replied that thread to have to say they having working booting img just some features aren't working.
Link to his github for the current work
https://github.com/Hima-Dev/android_device_htc_hima-common
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Cheers for side information. I know the developer and I'm pretty sure you'd get a kernel and Cm12.1 pretty soon.
Actually I Would let the developers sort out their differences themselves, for me it is Cm12.1 coming pretty soon.
agentfusion said:
I'm really excited about this, because the person doing this is making amazing progress and at last count I want to say it was only Wi-Fi and one other thing not working with said developer already pretty certain that they know how to change that, it's just a lot of trial and error (any dev knows how frustrating it can be having to compile the source all over again to test a tiny change)
What this means for me, personally, is that I can do what I've done on past htc devices and knock out a fairly complete port of miui (some default miui stuff doesn't play nice during flash, like the camera app, so I'll likely include the stock m9 camera app as packaged for other phones so it doesn't rely on sense)
Anyway... ?
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Whhhaaatttttt?!?!?! Miui?!?!?
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Galaxysm said:
Whhhaaatttttt?!?!?! Miui?!?!?
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Yeah. Once we have a reliable port of CM12, then porting other stuff is pretty easy. All I have to do is find a device that already has miui with the same resolution and dpi/ppi and port the assets over to the m9.
Preferably I'd like to port the miui patchrom so I can setup an automated build system to build a fresh copy every time aosp and miui are updated, but I don't have anywhere near enough time for that.
agentfusion said:
Yeah. Once we have a reliable port of CM12, then porting other stuff is pretty easy. All I have to do is find a device that already has miui with the same resolution and dpi/ppi and port the assets over to the m9.
Preferably I'd like to port the miui patchrom so I can setup an automated build system to build a fresh copy every time aosp and miui are updated, but I don't have anywhere near enough time for that.
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Nice I can't wait!!
Nice to see this coming ... And for MIUI I haven't been able to use it since I change my original EVO ... It would be great to have it as an option ...
Great news
Daily reminder that CM12 is a desperately needed and coveted thingy for the m8+1.
Is it lollipop 5.1?
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vegetaleb said:
Is it lollipop 5.1?
Sent from my HTC One M9 using XDA Free mobile app
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Cm12.1 is lolipop 5.1
Anyone knows the progress on this...
epedrosa said:
Anyone knows the progress on this...
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Be patient. The OP says "within a month" and it has only been roughly 2 weeks
This rom is now available. I found it during a system-wide search on android file host. Its a new release. I have not tested it, but after testing the Xperia Z5 rom in an earlier post, I'd like to see someone else give this one a shot.
There's rom's out there guys, that we haven't seen on the boards. Lets find them, test them, and get them posted!! The moto community will be grateful! I'm assuming this xperia z5 rom is going to be a huge hit on here.
Once again, I'm new here, thus I can't post links yet. But go to android file host, search osprey and you'll find both the Xperia Z5 and the AOKP.
Those familiar with AOKP/AOSP will probably love this new rom!
Dude.. we're not going to flash a zip without any information.
I could just upload a zip with a script to hard brick your phone and name it Osprey Rom, Would you flash it?
HelpMeruth said:
Dude.. we're not going to flash a zip without any information.
I could just upload a zip with a script to hard brick your phone and name it Osprey Rom, Would you flash it?
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Yes. I did.
Yes it works.
No, its not for me. Its too vanilla. Basically an AOSP with a few tricks. Its about a 315mb rom when packed. This is a good rom for someone looking to make a "custom" rom themselves using xposed, gravitybox, etc. Nothing more, nothing less.
So I answered your question, and honestly. Your turn:
If I made a nice thread, with a visually pleasing post, some github links, thanked squid for his kernel that I used, gave a few step by step instructions on how to install it, and a fancy little change log......... maybe a gif of a dancing baby. Would that'd be enough for you to click on it? Keep in mind, its the same file I just posted above.... but you're going to download it now that its 'described' and has 'screenshots'. LOL You're about a rom away from a total brick dude. I guess what I'm saying is, what do you look for when you install a new rom? If you're not testing it before you install it, reviewing its code, etc... then you're just going on the words of someone else. BE smart. Try before you buy.
Thank god that Alberto, vastal, boswejla, and flasssssshhhh are good guys and gals. You'd obviously click on anything that had a trusted OP backing it. Be smarter than that. And don't come in here speaking for other people. Its disrespectful to insert your opinion into the minds of others, representing yourself as a spokesman for a "Brick Union"......
If you don't want to try out the rom found, don't. I didn't build it. I'm not getting paid for it. I don't even know who designed it or who ported it.
I just know, that I tested it on my linux VM..... then my Moto G3..... it boots, it works, and I haven't found any security issues with it.
Stick to your 'safe' custom rom. I'll stick to mine. Just trying to expose people to more roms. Nothing more, nothing less.
Thank you for your time and thoughts. Every response keeps this thread visible, and allows more people to experience the things I have.
bubbyj said:
Yes. I did.
Yes it works.
No, its not for me. Its too vanilla. Basically an AOSP with a few tricks. Its about a 315mb rom when packed. This is a good rom for someone looking to make a "custom" rom themselves using xposed, gravitybox, etc. Nothing more, nothing less.
So I answered your question, and honestly. Your turn:
If I made a nice thread, with a visually pleasing post, some github links, thanked squid for his kernel that I used, gave a few step by step instructions on how to install it, and a fancy little change log......... maybe a gif of a dancing baby. Would that'd be enough for you to click on it? Keep in mind, its the same file I just posted above.... but you're going to download it now that its 'described' and has 'screenshots'. LOL You're about a rom away from a total brick dude. I guess what I'm saying is, what do you look for when you install a new rom? If you're not testing it before you install it, reviewing its code, etc... then you're just going on the words of someone else. BE smart. Try before you buy.
Thank god that Alberto, vastal, boswejla, and flasssssshhhh are good guys and gals. You'd obviously click on anything that had a trusted OP backing it. Be smarter than that. And don't come in here speaking for other people. Its disrespectful to insert your opinion into the minds of others, representing yourself as a spokesman for a "Brick Union"......
If you don't want to try out the rom found, don't. I didn't build it. I'm not getting paid for it. I don't even know who designed it or who ported it.
I just know, that I tested it on my linux VM..... then my Moto G3..... it boots, it works, and I haven't found any security issues with it.
Stick to your 'safe' custom rom. I'll stick to mine. Just trying to expose people to more roms. Nothing more, nothing less.
Thank you for your time and thoughts. Every response keeps this thread visible, and allows more people to experience the things I have.
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Wow dude you got me there, i'm sorry man
bubbyj said:
Yes. I did.
Yes it works.
No, its not for me. Its too vanilla. Basically an AOSP with a few tricks. Its about a 315mb rom when packed.
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You stated in your first post that you found it but had not tested it, so no, no one would want to test it from that. As for this post, I'm not sure what to make of that rambling, partly incoherent post.
Tel864,
At the moment I found it, I was testing the Xperia z5-g3 rom that I had found. A little later, I tested the AOKP that this thread is based upon. I apologize that I wrote my last post in a way that is difficult to understand for some people (you). But I'll try typing a little slower, for those who read a little slower.
So a brief recap for the reading impaired:
-Yes, I downloaded it.
-Yes, I tested it.
-No, I didn't really like it. Its a vanilla based rom, meant for customization by the end user using xposed and gravity box.
-It is a rather small build, about 315mb downloaded and about 900mb installed.
-I haven't found any rom breaking bugs, but again, I only tested it for about an hour before deciding it wasn't for me. But in all honesty, I knew it wasn't, as I had used AOKP and AOSP rom's in the past. I was merely testing it, so that those who are scared to do so -- would feel better about it.
Here's what I don't understand. Every week someone posts a new project, whether it be a kernel or rom. And every week, it is usually untested until they ask for volunteers. Sometimes the post will even go as far as saying that the it was developed without access to a moto g3, hence the developer themselves hadn't even tested it. Yet, with each new and untested project, person after person says "I'll test it!", "Sign me up!", "Ready when you are!!"
If testing a unknown rom isn't for you, then do us a favor... move on. Just curious though, what rom/kernel do you use? If you're running anything other than stock, then you took a chance when you installed it. The difference however, is that the OP made a 'pretty' and 'informative' initial post that caught your eye like a shiny object. If the same file that I mentioned in the original post, had specs, some graphics, and a few visually pleasing edits..... it wouldn't change anything about the file. It'd just change YOU, and YOUR mind.
So again, why do you trust ANYONE on here? Now... move on.
Interesting... I thought AOKP kind of folded a year or two ago, there haven't been any "official" builds since 2014. The Moto G is not listed as a supported device on their site, any generation of it, must be someones private port.
bubbyj said:
Tel864,
At the moment I found it, I was testing the Xperia z5-g3 rom that I had found. A little later, I tested the AOKP that this thread is based upon. I apologize that I wrote my last post in a way that is difficult to understand for some people (you). But I'll try typing a little slower, for those who read a little slower.
So a brief recap for the reading impaired:
-Yes, I downloaded it.
-Yes, I tested it.
-No, I didn't really like it. Its a vanilla based rom, meant for customization by the end user using xposed and gravity box.
-It is a rather small build, about 315mb downloaded and about 900mb installed.
-I haven't found any rom breaking bugs, but again, I only tested it for about an hour before deciding it wasn't for me. But in all honesty, I knew it wasn't, as I had used AOKP and AOSP rom's in the past. I was merely testing it, so that those who are scared to do so -- would feel better about it.
Here's what I don't understand. Every week someone posts a new project, whether it be a kernel or rom. And every week, it is usually untested until they ask for volunteers. Sometimes the post will even go as far as saying that the it was developed without access to a moto g3, hence the developer themselves hadn't even tested it. Yet, with each new and untested project, person after person says "I'll test it!", "Sign me up!", "Ready when you are!!"
If testing a unknown rom isn't for you, then do us a favor... move on. Just curious though, what rom/kernel do you use? If you're running anything other than stock, then you took a chance when you installed it. The difference however, is that the OP made a 'pretty' and 'informative' initial post that caught your eye like a shiny object. If the same file that I mentioned in the original post, had specs, some graphics, and a few visually pleasing edits..... it wouldn't change anything about the file. It'd just change YOU, and YOUR mind.
So again, why do you trust ANYONE on here? Now... move on.
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I trust people with a high *thanks* rating, So if Squid or lost101 asks me to test something I don't expect that they want to brick my device. And please this is still Xda the place for the nice people .
I already said sorry for posting that hateful post, We can be friends.
I see you are really into testing new and exciting things, we need those people who will almost flash and test anything to make the experience for the end user as good as possible. Have a nice day and again sorry for the hate.
bubbyj said:
Yes. I did.
Yes it works.
No, its not for me. Its too vanilla. Basically an AOSP with a few tricks. Its about a 315mb rom when packed. This is a good rom for someone looking to make a "custom" rom themselves using xposed, gravitybox, etc. Nothing more, nothing less.
So I answered your question, and honestly. Your turn:
If I made a nice thread, with a visually pleasing post, some github links, thanked squid for his kernel that I used, gave a few step by step instructions on how to install it, and a fancy little change log......... maybe a gif of a dancing baby. Would that'd be enough for you to click on it? Keep in mind, its the same file I just posted above.... but you're going to download it now that its 'described' and has 'screenshots'. LOL You're about a rom away from a total brick dude. I guess what I'm saying is, what do you look for when you install a new rom? If you're not testing it before you install it, reviewing its code, etc... then you're just going on the words of someone else. BE smart. Try before you buy.
Thank god that Alberto, vastal, boswejla, and flasssssshhhh are good guys and gals. You'd obviously click on anything that had a trusted OP backing it. Be smarter than that. And don't come in here speaking for other people. Its disrespectful to insert your opinion into the minds of others, representing yourself as a spokesman for a "Brick Union"......
If you don't want to try out the rom found, don't. I didn't build it. I'm not getting paid for it. I don't even know who designed it or who ported it.
I just know, that I tested it on my linux VM..... then my Moto G3..... it boots, it works, and I haven't found any security issues with it.
Stick to your 'safe' custom rom. I'll stick to mine. Just trying to expose people to more roms. Nothing more, nothing less.
Thank you for your time and thoughts. Every response keeps this thread visible, and allows more people to experience the things I have.
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Thanks for the tip
However its not booting on my xt1550 stuck @Moto logo
I flashed @squid2's kernel and it booted but my setup wizard kept fcing
So unable to use the ROM..
androidbaba said:
Thanks for the tip
However its not booting on my xt1550 stuck @Moto logo
I flashed @squid2's kernel and it booted but my setup wizard kept fcing
So unable to use the ROM..
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Just delete setup wizard via twrp