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For the lazy reader:
Your HD2 probably suffers from an audio lag using the default media players. This is evident in the transformers movies and many other videos. You just may not have noticed it for a variety of reasons. There is no fix yet.
Coreplayer/TCPMP are not solutions, since they defeat the purpose of proper HW scaling and decoding for battery life/processor utilization. They also render the video improperly (bad scaling, colorspaces, etc), and Coreplayer doesn't even support AAC+ (HE-AAC) audio.
BACKSTORY
The first day I got my HD2 from TMOUS, I noticed that the included Transformers videos suffered from what appeared to be close to a 250ms audio delay. Sure enough, the problem was universal to all video files unless an artificial delay is introduced into the transcoding process. This means that every video file placed on the device will play back with the audio playing up to 250ms (about 1/4 second) late. This turned out to be a very common problem with the HTC HD2 and many devices seem to suffer from it (including some other HTC devices mentioned in this thread), particularly in video playback. This is a not a placebo effect and is very noticeable--in some videos/scenes more than others due to video pacing.
Before you post to say "Mine doesn't seem to do it," read the following and check again just in case--you'll be surprised. As I mention below, to some people with untrained eyes, even a 250ms delay (about 1/4 second) isn't very noticeable, and without careful attention, the mind can sometimes be tricked into thinking the delay somehow "isn't real." The proof? Testimony of many members (read this thread), and of course: Here's a video of me playing the new test clip below.
This problem is well known and is often referred to as a "video sync" or "lip sync" problem. All seem to describe this problem in which the audio ends up getting significantly delayed.
STATUS
A list summarizing the current understanding of the situation.
1. The audio lag is up to 250ms (100-250ms) for ANY a/v stream. Please understand that the duration of 250ms is 1/4 of a single second; in some slow scenes (or even slow speech), this problem is very difficult to detect. However, in any very fast scenes or speech, it should become strikingly and painfully apparent to even the most callous of observers.
2. It does appear that a minority of HD2 users insist they are completely unaffected by the problem, and they are very vocal about it. This does introduce the possibility that, in fact, contrary to all common sense, there may be differences in HD2 hardware that are quite elusive. Alternatively, there is some yet-undiscovered combination of settings, roms, and drivers in which this problem disappears. More likely in many cases is the possibility that the issue is simply difficult to spot in some people's chosen sample footage.
3. HTC has acknowledged the problem in some form but is doing nothing about it, either because of development cost (software issue) or hardware issues. Again, there is also the possibility that there are other factors tying the company's hands.
4. In theoretical terms, the class 2 SD card read speed is more than sufficient to maintain sustained data flow of, for instance, a 300kbps audio/video stream. However, the delay issue persists even with the smallest of encodes, and even when the files are placed in the phone's built-in memory.
5. The Snapdragon chipset itself has been repeatedly implicated as being the culprit behind the A/V delay. Other potential candidates include driver issues, ROM issues, and/or general software issues on the part of HTC.
6. It is absolutely not a codec issue. This is not speculation or conjecture, but certainty. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support this, including the use of different players and encoders that produce valid streams--which play back perfectly in sync on any other computer or device. If there is any software you are using that you claim "doesn't get lag," you either do not experience lag/delay issues on your device, or the software is introducing opposite audio delay to compensate, which isn't a solution at all. The latter is known to occur with some community-produced frontends specifically for the HD2 as a crude workaround for this issue. However, it is hardly necessary to stress that the dilemma of not only re-encoding every existing media file for the HD2, but also the obvious lunacy of producing invalid files specifically so this device can read them.
7. The issue is ROM-independent. Cooked and stocked ROMs produce identical results. However, some users report a slight decrease in delay when they disable processor scaling (i.e. lock the device near 1ghz).
WHAT YOU CAN DO
First, decisively determine whether or not your device has this problem, which a large number of HD2 units seem to have. To test this, play this video (or others mentioned in this thread) on your HD2 in Windows Media Player or the HTC Video Player. Also try the included Transformers movie if you have a TMOUS unit. If you have any other media players on the device, you may also play these clips in those players with default settings. Note that all of these files are properly encoded and exhibit no audio lag when played using a computer or other device (including the original HTC HD). Report your findings, along with your OS version, ROM version, radio version, and model of HD2 (i.e. TMOUS or "European"). Also indicate your purchase date or, if known, the date of manufacture.
Secondly, once you've confirmed you have the issue, contact HTC and issue a report/complaint (in other words, request that they fix the problem). To support your complaint, you may refer to some of the ticket numbers at the bottom of this post, which are relevant to this issue. Once your complaint is filed, post the complaint ticket number here. It is crucial that HTC understands the prevalence of this problem or they will not fix it.
Finally, propose a solution (optional). If you manage to change device settings or install software/drivers/tweaks to eliminate the issue device-wide without destroying the file's actual synchronization (i.e. it remains in sync on the computer, other devices, etc), please post what you did! Please, no touting random 3rd party "converters" unless you understand the approach used by these to escape this sync/lag issue.
Ticket numbers (HTC Support)
10GBCW02ENA001052
10GBCW12ENA000301
10USCW13ENA001524
10GBCW12ENA000421
10AUCW15ENA000117
10GBCW13ENA000299
10ZACW16ENA000014 (HTC's acknowledgment)
Further Reading
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=612935
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=617163
Another test video. This was the default test clip until I replaced it with my own above.
Sorry, George, its not everybody's doesn't do it. Seriously, no matter what you may think of my mind, etc. mine doesn't seem to do it.
I'm not trying to say the problem is non-existent, you might be right. I didn't investigate enough.
But to give my 2 cents; I am very familiar with video encoding, digital audio and video and everything related. On a PC or on a TV i have an eagles eye (ear) for spotting sync problems. But I haven't noticed a sync problem on my HD2 whatsoever after having watched several movies on it... and 250ms should be very, VERY noticeable. Just 20ms usually catches my attention right away.
barty22 said:
I'm not trying to say the problem is non-existent, you might be right. I didn't investigate enough.
But to give my 2 cents; I am very familiar with video encoding, digital audio and video and everything related. On a PC or on a TV i have an eagles eye (ear) for spotting sync problems. But I haven't noticed a sync problem on my HD2 whatsoever after having watched several movies on it... and 250ms should be very, VERY noticeable. Just 20ms usually catches my attention right away.
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I'm also very familiar with encoding. I also notice stuttering problems in the video I play, in addition to sync issues (even baseline AVC with 1 ref, bitrate capped at 1000kbps, LC-AAC audio at 64kbps). This problem was even present on the included Transformers movies (the same movies play fine on the PC-- but with the exact same sync issue on coreplayer and TCPMP on the HD2).
Do you have the TMOUS device? What radio and ROM version are you using?
One other interesting thing I noticed. When the volume is turned down to 0, the choppiness present in some videos or situations dissappears, and when the audio is turned back up the choppiness comes back (tried in HTC Media Player).
This might relate directly to the sync issues I'm experiencing. What if there's a problem with the audio module or chipset rendering in general?
Change your thread title. its misleading. just because your device and someones friends first cousin sisters ex boyfriend suffer from this delay doesnt mean that ALL HD2s are affected. and to claim that all apps are affected? do you have all apps that are out there? kind of farfetched to say its a widespread occurence when this is the first time anyone has claimed such a "MAJOR FLAW!!!"
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Change your thread title. its misleading. just because your device and someones friends first cousin sisters ex boyfriend suffer from this delay doesnt mean that ALL HD2s are affected. and to claim that all apps are affected? do you have all apps that are out there? kind of farfetched to say its a widespread occurence when this is the first time anyone has claimed such a "MAJOR FLAW!!!"
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Changed; happy yet? And I'm not so sure it's as "misleading" as you think. I've seen more with the issues than without. If it occurs on all the included videos and apps, I think it's safe enough to say it's a problem with all of them.
If you don't think your device has it, feel free to post to the contrary. It would help to specify what version of the device you're using.
Based on the responses I'm getting, the problem seems constrained to the new 1024 Leo units (the TMOUS devices). If you have such a device and don't have this problem, I (and many others here who complain about the sync--it's not just me) would love to know about it.
A little less arrogance, please.
no audio issues here either... TMOUS stock using CorePlayer in GDI
To OP
I have TMOUS hd2 with stock rom, since I read this thread, I watched Transformers couple times using built-in player and Core player, but I did not notice any audio lag.
You said 250ms audio lag, what programs you used to measure this number, how you measure audio lag in game? Karaoke game?
Thanks
The lag is measured qualitatively; I adjust the skew until I find that there is no more lip sync issues on the video files (basically I change the delay until the audio matches exactly with what's being shown). Then I observe that this audio delay is the same in all videos (including the stock). Then I notice that games are a bit delayed; since the 250ms appears to hold for all of the videos I've tried (the audio delay was set by an mp4 container flag), I simply assumed that the lag that is observable in games is the same; it appears to be the same magnitude, at least.
I noticed it in the Transformer movie as well. (This is probably the first time I played it and paid attention.)
TCPMP can't handle the Transformers movies. I can't notice any lag while playing another video file I had on my sd card. The quality is much lower, compared to Transformers.
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I simply assumed that the lag that is observable in games is the same;
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You know what they say about assumption ay? lol
See second post on in this page.
TCPMP solved my problems (Audio sync in videos, I don't have any delay at all in apps etc though).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=617423&page=11
Don't know if that will help you out for your videos?
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TCPMP can't handle the Transformers movies.
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TCPMP runs 2.5 - 3 hour action films fine for me.
I've experienced no audio sync issues in the couple included games I've played with (all but Prince of Persia) nor any in the videos I've played (both Transformers and a couple other mp4's I've encoded with CloneDVDMobile). I'm not a big fan of games on these though, but the video capabilities have been THOROUGHLY tested on my unit. Oh, and all of this has been played from the supplied 16GB card and two 8GB cards (both made by Kingston) which I already had. I've played the videos using both the included "Video Player" and TCPMP (took a little work to get MPEG2s to play decently though).
Stock T-Mo US --NOT HardSPL or flashed yet.
OS: 5.2.21889.5.0.87
Manila ver: 2.5.20121412.1
ROM ver: 2.10.531.1 (82076) WWE
ROM date: 02/22/10
Radio ver: 2.08.50.08_2
Protocol ver: 15.34.50.07U
I have reformatted the memory card and only replaced what I still wanted that was originally on it. I have not hard reset at all.
The only app I have installed which might affect performance is BsB Tweaks, and the only settings I've adjusted are: Power Saving - OFF; Hidden Camera Modes - ON; Camera 8MP - ON; and Wifi N - ON (I was curious about what this does, but it's not something I need.. I'm turning it off now, now that I'm thinking on it).
To those of you experiencing these issues: Are you only seeing this problem with games? Or is it affecting movies too?
HTC_Junglist said:
TCPMP runs 2.5 - 3 hour action films fine for me.
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I did not say that TCPMP couldn't handle long films. It was very specific to the Transformer movies. More specifically, I meant the exact Transformer movie files that came with the US T-Mobile HD2. TCPMP was not able to play those Transformer movie files smoothly.
However I do notice the audio lag in the default movie player it uses to the Transformers movies. The video is smooth, but the audio is lagged a little.
I am experiencing the exact delay that is being reported.
All you have to do is actually watch a few minutes of Transformers. Its really annoying.
aceo07 said:
I did not say that TCPMP couldn't handle long films. It was very specific to the Transformer movies. More specifically, I meant the exact Transformer movie files that came with the US T-Mobile HD2. TCPMP was not able to play those Transformer movie files smoothly.
However I do notice the audio lag in the default movie player it uses to the Transformers movies. The video is smooth, but the audio is lagged a little.
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No you just said "The Transformers movies", I have 2 transformer movies & TCPMP plays them both fine. They did not come with the handset like yours though, but they are both high quality of 2.5gb each (Don't know how big the issued ones are, I'm in UK here so we didn't get them).
So maybe it's an issue with the way they were encoded too as well as a hardware issue.
i don't have such an issue with mine... games and movies play fine... maybe you have slower ear sensors or faster vision lol .... and I am curious why do you advertise this in your signature?????? if you were writing in a sports forum and had some disability, would you write that down in your signature as well??
i have this same problem. I loaded my favorite alert sounds from my previous phone. They all get a half second to a second chopped off. So do my ring tones. I have not seen a fix for this on any board yet. You are not crazy.
DialecticThought said:
Change your thread title. its misleading. just because your device and someones friends first cousin sisters ex boyfriend suffer from this delay doesnt mean that ALL HD2s are affected. and to claim that all apps are affected? do you have all apps that are out there? kind of farfetched to say its a widespread occurence when this is the first time anyone has claimed such a "MAJOR FLAW!!!"
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It's not actually the first time, there was a thread running for a few days not so long ago about the same issue. And as far as I can ascertain, most, if not all HD2's are plagued with this issue.
I have a TmoUS HD2 and I haven't noticed any delay in sound.
Hey all,
I typically never register and make my first a complaint/help post, but this problem has been plaguing me ever since I first got my Galaxy S Vibrant from Bell (i9000m) a week ago and now I'm pretty much desperate in looking for a solution, as music listening happens to be a HUGE part of my Smartphone experience. I love the phone with everything else thus far after coming over from iphone 3G and definitely wouldn't want to change the phone just because of this problem... but it's becoming way too persistent for me that I'm actually considering switching back to Apple (even though I don't want to).
Here's the problem: The music player seems absolutely incapable of smooth playback of music for whatever reason. In my ~10 years of music phone experience (I got the first ever mp3 phone released here in Canada - the Samsung Uproar, many years ago actually), this phone is the first to have such problems. Here are some symptoms and settings, music playing on both the stock music player as well as btunes that I downloaded and paid for:
- MP3/AAC files stutter/skip seemingly at random. Not majorly but for half a second or so at different parts of the song. Happens somewhat consistently, every 4 minutes or so, but at random.
- Here's an interesting thing; the ability for FLAC playback is one of the main reasons why I purchased this phone, and so far it's incapable of doing so properly. EACH AND EVERY FLAC song I have stutter/skips at a certain point for 3/4th of a second... and the funny thing is that this seems to occur at exact same point of each song.
- Before any of you question the point, 95% of these are self-ripped FLAC/mp3 files from my own cd's, using EAC. I'm an audiophile and know well how to rip songs properly, so I know this is 100% NOT the problem of the files itself... especially since they play perfectly in every single music player software/mp3 player/cellphone that I've ever used.
- This happens in both stock touchwiz and launcher pro UI that I'm currently using.
- Happens in both stock player and btunes as mentioned earlier. Interesting thing about FLAC files; I mentioned before each files skip at same parts of the song... interestingly the stock player and btunes seem to skip with these files at DIFFERENT parts of the song, yet the part where they stutter/skip is still the same for each player. So for example, Song A would skip on stock player at 3:31 point of the song each time, but that same Song A would skip on btunes at 2:23 point of the song every time...
- I do have beautiful weather widget running, and will test it out soon to see if this is the problem (haven't got around to doing so yet and don't have headphones with me atm)... but even if it is, it would seem appaling to me that a widget and a simple resource-light music player can't coexist... doesn't make sense to me and kind of misses the point of a high end smartphone.
- I'm not going to use Airplane mode as a solution, since this pretty much misses the point of the smartphone as I've said above. Besides, I've tried it already and music STILL stuttered/skipped!
- As I have high end headphones/IEMs such as Audio Technica ESW10JPN and Shure SE530, it's definitely not the headphones, and they work flawlessly in any other player.
- Drag and drop, media player, Kies, you name it... every method of transfer of songs gives the same problem.
- Internal SD card, External SD card... doesn't seem to make a lick of difference either.
- I have the stock JG9 firmware that my phone came with. I would download the new one that is apparently out for my i9000m version (JH2) if Kies ever detects the damn thing (it's never there as an update)...
So any clues on how to solve this annoying problem. As I've said, this is the ONLY problem I've had with my unit (my GPS is fine, and phone runs lag free) and its a darn shame because music playback is a huge part of my smartphone use. Is this likely a firmware problem? Or just a problem with memory use? If I don't have to I'd REALLY rather not root the phone but if that solves it for certain then I'm actually willing to look into it... that's how desperate I am to solve this problem.
I'd appreciate any input in this matter... thanks in advance.
I had the same problem, and pinned it down to one of my widgets hogging all the resources. As soon as I disabled the widget, playback was fine again.
another tip
disable media scan
Tachikoma_kun said:
I had the same problem, and pinned it down to one of my widgets hogging all the resources. As soon as I disabled the widget, playback was fine again.
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I'll be trying this out later on, but seems really sad to me for a phone of this calibre in not being able to handle that if this was true...
AllGamer said:
another tip
disable media scan
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Just a guess but this would require rooting, won't it?
yes, as you need to install another piece of software to do the trick
but you can always Un-root, if you ever need to send your phone for warranty
K_19 said:
I'll be trying this out later on, but seems really sad to me for a phone of this calibre in not being able to handle that if this was true...
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Probably more bad coding of the free widgets rather than the phone not being capable. I can write a 4 line .vbs script that will cane most PC's and drag them to their knees.
Have you done a factory reset? No problems here, love the music player. I have beautiful home also
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mine doesnt skip at all even while using gps.. i would recommend that you check your sd card.. maybe bad or too slow..
that is indeed a posibility.
in older devices low speed SD cards can cause data skip
but now in days most SD cards are pretty fast, so the problem shouldn't be there, yet you'll never know, so that's the posibility
Nah. My external micro SD is a class 6 Sandisk, and I'm sure the internal one isn't all that bad either... comes with the phone after all. Pretty sure it isn't the SD Cards as the problem happens on both. Tried the music player without any widgets running, with the phone connected through headphone jack into AUX of my car for about 6 minutes at lunch... and it actually played pretty smoothly... but I'll have to try that out more extensively later, plus try it with FLAC files as well.
Haven't done a factory reset (apparently it doesn't do much for ppl who's had same problems), but I'll be flashing to the JH2 later on today so I'm guessing that'll be more or less the same thing... hoping that it makes some sort of difference.
Alright, I was able to install JH2 firmware and play around with turning off the widgets and such... and it did not do ANYTHING with the FLAC Playback problems. The same tracks always still skip at the same place in the song, and no FLAC files seems to play 100% smoothly... and the tags are still broken. Turning off the widgets don't stop these glitches. MP3's on the other hand seems perfect for the most part unless I missed something... At this point, I'm just inclined to believe that FLAC support for Galaxy at this time is heavily glitched. Does anyone else here have perfect FLAC playback? Totally smooth with perfect tags and everything? If you do, please post the firmware and settings and all that.
Ugh, at least even iphone 4 had a perfect music player and a perfect lossless support, although it's ALAC instead of FLAC... strongly considering it now if the player is going to remain glitched like this. The phone is so excellent besides this, that I'd hate to do that... but music listening just happens to be a big part of my smartphone use.
other users have reported the same findings about FLAC
this is just a software thing, it'll be fixed in no time
K_19 said:
Alright, I was able to install JH2 firmware and play around with turning off the widgets and such... and it did not do ANYTHING with the FLAC Playback problems. The same tracks always still skip at the same place in the song, and no FLAC files seems to play 100% smoothly... and the tags are still broken. Turning off the widgets don't stop these glitches. MP3's on the other hand seems perfect for the most part unless I missed something... At this point, I'm just inclined to believe that FLAC support for Galaxy at this time is heavily glitched. Does anyone else here have perfect FLAC playback? Totally smooth with perfect tags and everything? If you do, please post the firmware and settings and all that.
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I have the same thing too.. I suspect its a scheduling issue or buffering issue. Not sure about your tag issues though, as they work fine for me
AllGamer said:
other users have reported the same findings about FLAC
this is just a software thing, it'll be fixed in no time
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My biggest concern is that FLAC playback is solely Samsung's responsibility apparently (Android apparently doesn't natively support FLAC, so I don't expect Froyo to do much), and I really doubt that it's one of their priorities for fixing at the moment (especially with the whole GPS issue). It's up to Sammy to fix it, but I can't say I have too much faith.
Well, since I've got an android phone and all I think I'll root this phone and play around with the setCPU stuff, and see if that helps. This fixed it for one of the users from what I've read.
I've got no problems playing any FLAC file on my default Samsung player very smooth. I haven't rooted my phone or ever installed custom firmwares. I am running the new official UK firmware XXJM1.
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Sandisk Class 4 4GB card.
FLAC Bitrate: 1411Kbps ~ Lossless Audio Codec File
Wow... well, it's at least a good news that someone else can playback FLAC smoothly without any problems... and it also means that if this is true, then its more than likely that this is purely a firmware issue... which means it's more than possible for Samsung to fix this.
Factory reset solved media issues for several people I know of. So if you didn't reset your phone when you got it, do so now and chances are you are rid of the problem.
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mickeko said:
Factory reset solved media issues for several people I know of. So if you didn't reset your phone when you got it, do so now and chances are you are rid of the problem.
Sent from my personal Dis-organizer GT-I9000
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I've flashed to a new firmware since I first got it. Wouldn't this technically be the same thing as factory reset since the initial firmware/contents got wiped out clean and replaced by a brand new one? And even after that unfortunately the audio problems still remain for me...
Try putting the music onto external sd card. Had audio skipping problems after installing one click click lag fix and went crazy trying to figure it out.
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ickyboo said:
Try putting the music onto external sd card. Had audio skipping problems after installing one click click lag fix and went crazy trying to figure it out.
Sent from my Apple Newton 2100
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It's been on external SD card since the second day. Doesn't seem to matter for me at all since the files skip the same way on both internal and external card.
I'm going to go to the Bell Store anyway today (to discuss phone plan stuff), so I think I'll take my SD card with me and try the demo models to see if there are same playback problems on those. I really doubt this is due to hardware but hey, since I'll be there anyway, why not.
Hi all newcomer here ...congrats for your forum.
I received yesterday my archos 70b it2 honeycomb 3.2 tablet (yep the new 70b internet tablet ...1.2 ghz //512 ram and so on)...so if you have any questions that i can answer do post. Keep in mind although im tech shavvy this is my first android device so im not an expert. Ill try to do my best though.
I have a couple of questions for you. (keep in mind i got latest firm)
a) It seems (to my dissapointment) that the unit CANT handle youtube HD clips. I do have flash player installed and using the built in youtube app. Only way to watch youtube clips is without using hd. Is there something wrong im doing? Im finding strange that it can play 720p mkv but not youtube hd clips that are much less processor hungry.
b) When i connect the device to my pc although it seems to mount ...navigation to its folder and copying movies...its just impossible...slow-sluggish and the copy just never starts. (tried to copy an avi in videos folders ...takes forever). Is there something im doing wrong here? (usb debug is off btw). Maybe because it had low battery and i connected the usb cable to do the transfer?
Anyway in general for 199euros its not a bad tablet...screen is ok (not an ips so viewing angles arent the best) and seems solid built.
Thank you for any help (this same post is in archosfans forum)
Hmm 100+ views and none knows? Maybe i posted in wrong forum ?
Archos 70b IT
Hello, sorry you haven't gotten a reply yet...I am in America (North Carolina) and am waiting for Archos to start selling these tablets. I have the money set aside and just need somewhere to just start selling them...I stopped at HHGregg today and they didn't know what I was talking about...(they really didn't put a lot of effort in making me believe they knew what they were talking about)...anywayz...
I have no idea of problems you are having or the fix for your issues...I was just going to ask how the tablet is overall...like the screen for instance...does the screen seem as though it will be easily scratched or is it nice wipe away glass like a kindle fire? Any other info you can add would be great, it would be nice if you'd post a review of your thoughts since you've had it for over 24 hours now .
Thanks for the post, it's hard to get information for these things here...it is on their website, just not for sale there yet...
-Gig4 <><
The problem is probably in your statement - low battery, You should fully charge the battery before doing anything !
Also, the lack of replies may be due to the fact that hardly anybody has one of these devices yet.
Update
The problem with mounting was solved but doing a factory reset.(maybe the battery low was the problem)
@gig4
Screen is ok. Its not ips so the viewing angles are a bit limited but other than that i would say the screen res is fine. Colors are ok too.
The screen is a fingerprint magnet and im not sure that it would be hard enough too resist scratches. Depends on how you use the tablet i guess but i wouldnt throw it on a backpack if you asking that.
Some problems i have found.
a) Youtube hd = a big NO ...i dont know if this is a problem of honeycomb or the tablet isnt strong enough but...it just doesnt play. My net connection isnt the best but i can stream and view even 1080p at my desktop so i presume it has nothing to do with it. Wifi seems stable hadnt have any disconects. (wpa2)
b) Hdmi out...it connects to the tv but as soon i get it of the tv the tablet needs a hard reset ...(displays a white screen and cant do nothing) ...again im not sure if im doing something wrong BUT there is NO mirroring in tablet and tv...i just see the ui in the tv and tablet responds to my inputs BUT i dont see anything on it.
c) It doesnt charge to 100% ...left it overnight but went only to 99%.
d) Battery is decent...about 5-6 hours surfing / watching movies...
e) Web browsing is hit and miss again...tried 3 different browsers (dolphin hd/opera mini/stock browser) ...some sites work ...some sites doesnt load at all or just freeze...i dont know im really disapointed with android (got an iphone 4 and besides the non working flash i have zero problems surfing).
Overall the tablet is ok in specs but in real world perfomance...im not happy.
Again keep in mind this is my first android device but i would call my self quick learner...
PS flash was installed in all my tests.
The reason that Youtube HD (Flash) does not work is that Flash on Gen8 devices relies solely on the CPU and is not designed specifically for Gen8's, unlike Archos' Video application which uses the DSP (and possibly other components) to do hardware acceleration.
If you want to watch HD quality videos from Youtube on your 70b, I would suggest an application that allows you to download the video file and use Archos' Video application. The app I use for this purpose is Tubemate:
devian7.iisweb.co.kr/download.jsp
(You will have to copy and paste the link in your browser.)
The link is to the developers webpage and offers an apk download so the Android Market is not necessary.
The Gen8's can handle any of the different formats that can be downloaded with Tubemate, with the exception of 1080p.
In regards to the HDMI out:
If the 70b works like the older Gen8's, then the displays do not mirror each other. The external display shows the UI and the tablet acts as a giant (laptop-like) touchpad.
In regards to the browser:
With my Gen8 101, the stock browser works well if plugins is set to on demand and if I am not opening too many tabs/windows that have a lot of pictures (high RAM usage). Other browsers should function well if set to the same settings (Dolphin HD worked about the same when I used to use it).
Also battery life should be better with the plugins set to on demand.
In regards to the battery:
I assume that the reason it doesn't charge to "100%" is due to the firmware. Older Gen8's would charge to "100%" on older firmware versions, while the same devices on newer firmware only charges to "99%". From what I have read, the difference is irrelevant because the difference only shows up when it is charging. i.e. It says it is charged to "99%" while plugged in, but when unplugged it shows a "100%" charge.
thanks...I appreciate the reply.
And for the browser, this most of the time comes from the stupid f... that has done the webpage.
If you don't change the Useragent in your browser, the Website knows that you come from an Android browser.
As most ignorant Webdevs still have no clue that there is someone else then IE,FF or IPhone they sometimes do strange things.
Try to set the Useragent to either Desktop or IPhone and see the changes.
i have this tablet
it is very good for the transport in paris
it is better that the 70 it
i have no problem with HDMi
I'll ask the question again.
Does anyone know if the data transmission speed of wifi radio in the new 70b IT has also been knee capped at a very low 54 megabytes/sec utilizing 802.11n protocol, like all the other Archos Gen 8 devices?
Given that the processor achitecture of the 70 IT and 70b IT are apparently the same (single core ARM Cortex A8), when will Archos push Honeycomb out to the Gen 8 devices?
Also it has been suggested that the new 70b IT OS will be updated to ICS in February. Will the Gen 8 devices get this. And if not, why not?
See that
http://www.jbmm.fr/2012/01/archos70bit-chiffres-tests/
for ICS on this model 70b ? perhaps....
I don't believe the wifi has been ' kneecapped' or nobbled in any way - 54 mbps is the maximum speed for the hardware, it uses wireless n standards and is compatable with wireless n, it is not dual band and only operates at 2.4 ghz, the higher speed of wireless n are obtained using 5.0ghz band, this is my understanding of it, and as you point out that the 2 devices share the same hardware, It's safe to assume the speed will be the same, it certainly seems to be the same on both of mine, but my 70b is a froyo device so can't definitively speak for the 'honeycomb' version.
As the early release 70b, 512mb ram, higher res screen etc... is not getting the honeycomb update due to incompatability, I think it's safe to say the 70IT will definitely not get it, as for ICS - I have seen no such indication from any credible source that this is likely, unless you are refering to dev roms, in which case there are already both 'honeycomb' and 'ICS' roms in the works
Hello all,
I just wanted to let all who are interested know that the MyGica A681 USB stick works 100%. I have it hooked up to one of those flat window mount antennas and it receives full HD signal that I view through the PadTV app found on Play Store. The PadTV app lacks in a lot of ways, it would be cool if someone around here was able to come up with something better. A few of the channels have a major A/V delay but it may be due to reception and not the tuner stick or app. Overall, it was a very worthwhile purchase for me, if anyone has any questions let me know.
Hopefully this is useful information for a cord-cutter somewhere. I'm not in any way affiliated with MyGica, just a fellow MOJO owner who couldn't find any info on a TV Tuner stick that would work with our boxes so I took the dive on my own.
Thanks buddy, this is a great discovery!
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Thanks buddy, this is a great discovery!
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No problem. I've pretty much been doing a lot of my own discovering what works since there's not much documentation for our devices. Like I said in my first post, it would be awesome if someone around here was able to come up with something better for a channel surfing app. PadTV gets the job done, but it's certainly not the prettiest. I forgot to mention that it also does DVR, but one of my issues is that it will only save to internal storage and not something like an external drive or an SD card. The channel info/current episode descriptions are several hours behind. If theres a button on my remote for Channel +/-, I haven't found it. You have to use your mouse to bring up and scroll through channels. Again, it gets the job done, I can watch 39 or so OTA channels, and quite a few of which are HD. It's just not the most MOJO friendly UI, since it was intended for phones.
Some other things I use daily that work 100%: Ouya controller (as 2nd controller), Plugables brand 7x USB 3.0 hub, & a Rii Mini i8 keyboard. Obviously stuff like my Logitech Bluetooth receiver that I run to my stereo also works to receive audio from MOJO. My USB wired Logitech PC game controller works great as well.
Just trying to help fellow XDA'ers and Googlers not worry about compatibility before they order something like I did. That said, most if not all of my worries were completely unfounded because everything I've thrown at the MOJO so far works like a charm!
Would a wired XBox 360 controller work?
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Would a wired XBox 360 controller work?
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I don't have one to test but I'm 99% sure it would.
I'd just like to clarify a point: it may sound like nitpicking, but it's not the PadTV app that works; it's the PadTV-HD app. The standard PadTV just says it can't find a device.
That being said, the little MyGica is a little giant. I live in a fringe reception area, for decent reception I need a huge rooftop antenna, but this little thumb-drive-sized receiver still picks up a round dozen stations on the 10-cm piece of coat hanger wire it comes with. Yes, the weaker stations have audio lag problems; I hope a better antenna fixes that. It also costs about half what other similar units do, and most of them work on windows only.
I tried a few of the other TV apps on Play Store but the PadTV-HD was the only one that recognized the A681. I didn't find it all that bad an interface, except that the sidebars won't stay in place longer than a couple seconds, and I couldn't find a setting for that. It also lacks a volume control, as the MOJO itself does, so you must hope you have some control somewhere else. And there is no info in the EPG (electronic program guide) even though it appears to have that function. But I was able to find and watch several different channels without any real problems; except, of course, that TV programming in general sucks. Unless you're a sports fan.
So thanks, @tideee88, for the heads-up here!
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I'd just like to clarify a point: it may sound like nitpicking, but it's not the PadTV app that works; it's the PadTV-HD app. The standard PadTV just says it can't find a device.
That being said, the little MyGica is a little giant. I live in a fringe reception area, for decent reception I need a huge rooftop antenna, but this little thumb-drive-sized receiver still picks up a round dozen stations on the 10-cm piece of coat hanger wire it comes with. Yes, the weaker stations have audio lag problems; I hope a better antenna fixes that. It also costs about half what other similar units do, and most of them work on windows only.
I tried a few of the other TV apps on Play Store but the PadTV-HD was the only one that recognized the A681. I didn't find it all that bad an interface, except that the sidebars won't stay in place longer than a couple seconds, and I couldn't find a setting for that. It also lacks a volume control, as the MOJO itself does, so you must hope you have some control somewhere else. And there is no info in the EPG (electronic program guide) even though it appears to have that function. But I was able to find and watch several different channels without any real problems; except, of course, that TV programming in general sucks. Unless you're a sports fan.
So thanks, @tideee88, for the heads-up here!
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Yes, thank you for mentioning that it is in fact the PadTV HD app. Hope I didn't cause anyone any confusion. I also had no luck trying other tuner apps and I tried literally every one available on Play Store (including non-ATSC ones) and even tried sideloading a few because I dislike PadTV HD so much.
I agree that the MyGica stick is a great little device. I'm really impressed with it when it's able to do it's thing properly. I never tried the dinky little antenna it came with, I ordered a 25-mile distance flat window-mount antenna and it gets me about 39 channels here in Pittsburgh, PA. Lots of them are HD, and look and sound great. However, many of the Play Store reviews for PadTV HD seem to indicate that the slow motion, lag, and stuttering are a result of the app not taking advantage of hardware acceleration and thus is trying to encode 1080p on the fly via software rendering or something to that effect. Other than the mild inconveniences of things like not having a dedicated button for CH +/- and as you noted, the channel info being totally useless, it's a real bummer that I can't even get the channels I could be getting if it weren't for a poorly written app that is unfortunately our only option at the moment. I feel as though this is a real hole that could be filled with the rate at which Android set top boxes are becoming popular.
I mostly purchased this because the only time I ever need to watch broadcast TV is when my Steelers are on and hence have no use to pay for cable. I'm really hoping we have a new app sorted out before football season because FOX is one of the channels that currently comes in very laggy and out of sync for me at the moment.
Your MOJO doesn't have volume control, though? It certainly should. Do the hardkeys not work on your C.T.R.L.R.? Android system volume works perfect for me in all apps. Failing that, I've found you can change the volume in Pad TV HD by clicking somewhere in the video frame and dragging your mouse up or down, like a swipe if it were touch. Hopefully that helps!
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Yes, thank you for mentioning that it is in fact the PadTV HD app. Hope I didn't cause anyone any confusion. I also had no luck trying other tuner apps and I tried literally every one available on Play Store (including non-ATSC ones) and even tried sideloading a few because I dislike PadTV HD so much.
I agree that the MyGica stick is a great little device. I'm really impressed with it when it's able to do it's thing properly. I never tried the dinky little antenna it came with, I ordered a 25-mile distance flat window-mount antenna and it gets me about 39 channels here in Pittsburgh, PA. Lots of them are HD, and look and sound great. However, many of the Play Store reviews for PadTV HD seem to indicate that the slow motion, lag, and stuttering are a result of the app not taking advantage of hardware acceleration and thus is trying to encode 1080p on the fly via software rendering or something to that effect. Other than the mild inconveniences of things like not having a dedicated button for CH +/- and as you noted, the channel info being totally useless, it's a real bummer that I can't even get the channels I could be getting if it weren't for a poorly written app that is unfortunately our only option at the moment. I feel as though this is a real hole that could be filled with the rate at which Android set top boxes are becoming popular.
I mostly purchased this because the only time I ever need to watch broadcast TV is when my Steelers are on and hence have no use to pay for cable. I'm really hoping we have a new app sorted out before football season because FOX is one of the channels that currently comes in very laggy and out of sync for me at the moment.
Your MOJO doesn't have volume control, though? It certainly should. Do the hardkeys not work on your C.T.R.L.R.? Android system volume works perfect for me in all apps. Failing that, I've found you can change the volume in Pad TV HD by clicking somewhere in the video frame and dragging your mouse up or down, like a swipe if it were touch. Hopefully that helps!
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I'll try the volume control thing. I'm using CM12.1 and maybe it has a volume control somewhere but I haven't found it yet, I'm used to hardware switches. I'm not using the CTRLR either, just a keyboard & mouse. I'm still working on display resolution problems, as I don't really have the right display hardware for the MOJO, and it's picky that way. I'm about to give up entirely on the powered HDMI-2-VGA adapter to the 1280x1024 computer monitor, too unreliable even just in Android. Neither it nor the HDMI-2-DVI cable to the old Dell monitor will display at all in recovery, for that I have to commandeer the living room and the only true HDMI display in the house, which is a projector--not the best setup for tweaking a device. Still doing my homework on tweaking TWRP to 720P which I hope will solve that problem.
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I'll try the volume control thing. I'm using CM12.1 and maybe it has a volume control somewhere but I haven't found it yet, I'm used to hardware switches. I'm not using the CTRLR either, just a keyboard & mouse. I'm still working on display resolution problems, as I don't really have the right display hardware for the MOJO, and it's picky that way. I'm about to give up entirely on the powered HDMI-2-VGA adapter to the 1280x1024 computer monitor, too unreliable even just in Android. Neither it nor the HDMI-2-DVI cable to the old Dell monitor will display at all in recovery, for that I have to commandeer the living room and the only true HDMI display in the house, which is a projector--not the best setup for tweaking a device. Still doing my homework on tweaking TWRP to 720P which I hope will solve that problem.
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I'm running a rooted stock rom via HDMI so I'm not sure about your display issues as I haven't had any. But I use a bluetooth keyboard/mouse most of the time and the volume hardkeys work on that as well. If your keyboard has volume hardkeys and they don't work, it may be some sort of issue with your rom. AFAIK, my keyboard's drivers are just generic Windows ones.
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I'm running a rooted stock rom via HDMI so I'm not sure about your display issues as I haven't had any. But I use a bluetooth keyboard/mouse most of the time and the volume hardkeys work on that as well. If your keyboard has volume hardkeys and they don't work, it may be some sort of issue with your rom. AFAIK, my keyboard's drivers are just generic Windows ones.
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Same display issues regardless of ROM. AFAIK there are only four, and I tried them all. (This is a very rare instance of me following my own advice: try all the different flavors before deciding on a favorite.) Several people have reported similar issues while in system but I think I'm unique in the recovery problem. Changing the resolution by editing the build.prop improved my display in system but did nothing in recovery; I will just have to carry the MOJO into the living room whenever I need to use recovery, which shouldn't be that often. The bright side is that I learned to unpack and repack recovery images.
My keyboard is a wired mini with no extra room for media keys, but it does have a third control key (FN) to emulate them. But I can't see the blue-on-black icons to use them unless the room is brightly lit! Volume control is not a biggie for me though, I run the audio through a seventies-vintage amp and speakers. I pity those who grew up with "modern" surround sound, satellite speakers and a single subwoofer. My setups often fool both myself and the dogs, we can't tell if the noise is outside the open door or inside the TV.
BTW Windows keyboard drivers won't work on Android, but it's such a low-level thing they are just included in the kernel. Somewhere in the ROM is a keyboard map that can be edited (with root of course), but I misremember where. I never had to remap a keyboard.
PadTV HD app no longer works for me as of the latest update. For anyone considering purchasing a tuner, I recommend against it. Flushed $40 down the toilet.
If you'd like I'll send you the old version, I'll just need to save it then upload it. You'd just have to uninstall the newer version then sideload the old one and not allow it to update. Just PM me.
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If you'd like I'll send you the old version, I'll just need to save it then upload it. You'd just have to uninstall the newer version then sideload the old one and not allow it to update. Just PM me.
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Can you please send me the version that works?
Not posted in a while as I've been largely enjoying the Mojo trouble free. However yesterday I was watching one of my video files using SPMC and it just stopped, sending me back to the video selection screen in SPMC. I'm using a 2Tb WD USB hard drive, on my Mojo is CM 12.1, and SPMC is my usual choice to play files back.
This was an MP4, 1080p at 2.7Gb, and this was a 3 hour movie, which ceased playback at the 2 hour 15 minute mark. I attempted to resume to playback, but it seemed to try and then immediately dumped me back again.
My first thought was it must be a corrupt file, so I tried it on my PC but there were no issues. I go back to the Mojo to try restarting the film from the beginning again, skipping ahead to the troublesome part, but it stopped again at exactly the same moment.
I then tried VLC, and to my surprise I found this was exactly the same. Playback ceased at the same point exactly.
So now I'm worried it's the drive, so I decide to plug it into my Raspberry Pi which is running the latest OSMC, and to my surprise it's fine. Playback is trouble free. Plugging the drive into my PC to play the file reveals it plays fine. It has to be the Mojo, but it must be a global setting or something. I've tried clearing the app cache, but it's made no difference. To be honest I don't really know where to look next. Can anyone help? Thanks all.
tl;dr: File plays fine on PC and Raspberry Pi, stops abruptly on Mojo using SPMC or VLC. Must be a setting somewhere to fix. Help!
Well now here's an interesting discovery to make after several months of ownership! I always was slow on the uptake...
It seems on further inspection that the Mojo/CM 12.1 doesn't like any of my "large" files above 2.5Gb. I have tried some others around that size and larger, and they are all the same. The are slow to use (skipping forward etc.), and then just give up so far into playback. My drive is formatted NTFS, so I don't think that's the issue.
I'm really hoping there's something I can do to fix this.
Aaaand on even further inspection, file size has nothing to do with it. There's a number of files that just won't play very nicely, big or small. They lag when skipping through, and then cease so far into playback.
I'd read that Android wasn't so great with video codecs generally, and this must be what they mean. Can't believe I didn't notice it before.
I had the same issue with videos over 2GB. It is an issue with NTFS. The same files played fine on a FAT32 drive. I have since gone to using a NTFS NAS instead. Works flawlessly with Kodi.
Thanks for replying. I've ended up simply remuxing and replacing those problematic files, which seems to have resolved the issue. It's a pity, but I am finding the Mojo a very fussy and particular system indeed. What a shame, as it is so capable at hardware level.
Tried playing the file with Kodi?
That's usually my fix to those type of situations.
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Tried playing the file with Kodi?
That's usually my fix to those type of situations.
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Sorry for late reply. Yes all the video apps show the same result, which means it must be the system. I've read up a little on this and have discovered other folks with similar issues when using Android for video playback. I'm fine now anyway - like I say, I remuxed these troublesome files and made them smaller but no less qualitative. Some of them were quite big for DVD rips (around 3-4Gb) and did not need to be so. Thank god for Handbrake! It worked out well in the end as my drive was beginning to be pressed for space with so many of these, and I've managed to free up 70Gb just by being a little bit more conservative.