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OMG, apple suing HTC!
Hope they release the new rom first!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/02/apple_patent_htc/
tweedie said:
OMG, apple suing HTC!
Hope they release the new rom first!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/02/apple_patent_htc/
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LOL,
How come HTC did not sue Apple all this time? If I'm not wrong HTC came with this swipe thing long before Apple did. Steve Jobs is a pure jackass
nikiforos said:
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How come HTC did not sue Apple all this time? If I'm not wrong HTC came with this swipe thing long before Apple did. Steve Jobs is a pure jackass
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Agreed, it's a shame, over some small matters, how stupid, what is the world coming to, right's over "touch-use" what next? Just cos' his iPhone is losing money since the "Jailbreak", he's taking it out on HTC to bring his profit margin up, suck-ass!
Apple are a set of **** heads.
You probably shouldn't fret too much. The pursuit of the patent protection is for patents registered with the USPTO. In the short term, it won't effect HTC, and certainly won't impact features/functionality in dispute anywhere except the US. Long term, it may kill off HTC if it starts dragging out while Apple bleed HTC in the courts (HTC sell more mobiles in the US market). Then it would impact us.
My big hope is that Palm, HTC and Nokia just clobber Apple with their patent portfolios and Google prop up HTC if it comes to that.
Die Apple, die!
This is just daft. You can pinch & zoom on almost anything these days. Take windows 7 multi touch for example, or multi touch mouse pads.
Btw, how much stuff has apple stolen from other manufacturers in just making a PDA. HTC have been at it for decades,
OK, sorry for the rant...apple frustrate me
BlueHawk said:
You probably shouldn't fret too much. The pursuit of the patent protection is for patents registered with the USPTO. In the short term, it won't effect HTC, and certainly won't impact features/functionality in dispute anywhere except the US. Long term, it may kill off HTC if it starts dragging out while Apple bleed HTC in the courts (HTC sell more mobiles in the US market). Then it would impact us.
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Short term, no, it probably won't be a big deal, but if HTC loses business in the US because of it, then that is a big deal in the long term. According to this NYT article (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/04/technology/04htc.html?ref=technology), about half of HTC's revenue comes from sales in the US.
And I agree, Apple's just being ridiculous! While I've never complained too much about them, as they do have a history of making good products (mostly), it's stupid things like this that just annoy consumers!
It is the latest in a series of legal wrangles involving Apple. Finnish phone giant Nokia sued Apple for patent infringement in October 2009, alleging it had stolen patented technology. In response, Apple countersued in December 2009, followed by a second round of legal action from Nokia. Apple is also being investigated by the ITC following a complaint by camera manufacturer Kodak. The firm allege that the iPhone uses technology for previewing pictures that infringe Kodak patents.
Apple are just running scared because Android is going to be massive this year. Apple try to discredit Google by attacking HTC on patents some 15 years old!
Pathetic.
BTW Steve Jobs, Ipad gonna flop!
Apple should not mess with the big boys, i should imagine the big boys can hit back and very hard.
I do believe that the patents Apple speak off were registered in the US only. Patents have to be filed in each country individually. Europe / Aisia --- the rest of the world would never authorise patents like these. Brings me to think that apple has someone in the patent office who just lets them through.
So even if Apple won, the UK, and the rest of the world would be fine.
oooops just read that this was mentioned above...
jonny#1 said:
Apple should not mess with the big boys, i should imagine the big boys can hit back and very hard.
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HTC is not that big, apple is way bigger. But google already said they would back-up HTC since the most patents are broken by google, and not only the htc sense interface.
This will probably be settled out court, if apple really wants to do damage to htc google will do the same to apple. And google is way bigger than apple.
I think It's kind of weak to sue only htc. But apple is weak, and they'll lose if they go up against google.
No more youtube on Iphone no more google apps on iphone no more money for steve and he doesn't want that....
well he is going against himself. check this out.
http://www.fuzemobility.com/steve-j...intosh-good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/
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Come on guys don't forget that Apple has patented the "User friendly" interface. They will probably deal with microsoft after htc/google.
Stafflover said:
HTC is not that big, apple is way bigger. But google already said they would back-up HTC since the most patents are broken by google, and not only the htc sense interface.
This will probably be settled out court, if apple really wants to do damage to htc google will do the same to apple. And google is way bigger than apple.
I think It's kind of weak to sue only htc. But apple is weak, and they'll lose if they go up against google.
No more youtube on Iphone no more google apps on iphone no more money for steve and he doesn't want that....
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So if that's the case: no flash on iPhone, no google maps on iPhone, no youTube on iPhone. What's left besides having a phone on the iPhone?
bjg222 said:
So if that's the case: no flash on iPhone, no google maps on iPhone, no youTube on iPhone. What's left besides having a phone on the iPhone?
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Just as much as having it now... You're the great owner of an iphone and you have totally no freedom And people seriously are happy with that. Can't imagine
Any one has an idea of how many units are sold around the world? and may be IPhones selling too.
i like to see if the selling after one year of release would drive software development to work for it, or will it just die like other good HTC units thanks to the company bad strategy
HD2 sales
khaeid said:
Any one has an idea of how many units are sold around the world? and may be IPhones selling too.
i like to see if the selling after one year of release would drive software development to work for it, or will it just die like other good HTC units thanks to the company bad strategy
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You could send an email to HTC and ask, I do not think it is something they would need to keep a secret. They may even be proud of the number sold, as there are probably more HTC touch phones than iphones sold.
malex1 said:
You could send an email to HTC and ask, I do not think it is something they would need to keep a secret. They may even be proud of the number sold, as there are probably more HTC touch phones than iphones sold.
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it would be great if this is the situation, will search around with HTC
malex1 said:
You could send an email to HTC and ask, I do not think it is something they would need to keep a secret. They may even be proud of the number sold, as there are probably more HTC touch phones than iphones sold.
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lol, i really doubt that, i just read that Apple has sold 9 million in the the 2Q of this year alone.
This has caused their net income to jump 90 percent and their stocks are siring in leaps and bounds.
I bought a 3GS and a HD2 last week to compares them, i personally prefer the HD2, but the T mobile one i got sucks, i need to flash it and unlock it.
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lol, i really doubt that, i just read that Apple has sold 9 million in the the 2Q of this year alone.
This has caused their net income to jump 90 percent and their stocks are siring in leaps and bounds.
I bought a 3GS and a HD2 last week to compares them, i personally prefer the HD2, but the T mobile one i got sucks, i need to flash it and unlock it.
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Please do share us with your personal results on this matter
khaeid said:
it would be great if this is the situation, will search around with HTC
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If you compares the net incomes of HTC and Apple, you could possibly get some kind of estimation as to the (very) rough volume of phone sales HTC have made.
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The i phones touch software i believe is more refined, but the HTC's larger screen i believe makes up for this, i am running 1.42, perhaps in later updates there has been some change.
Regardless, i believe the touch systems are about equal.
The iphone was pumping more volume through my mini max 2 speaker than the hd2 even with sound booster, however the wow srs hd, made the hd2 surpass the iphone in customisability and quality of sound.
I have decided i just don't like apples style that much, it's not any one thing about the product, it's a good product, it's just not my taste.
The HD2 is my taste and it's on par if not better then the iphone.
Considering on par performance, i can make the choice purely on taste.
I think macs reign is going to come to an end in 2011 with windows mobile 7 and the massive range of products that will support it at prices that could likely be lower then than the i phones.
randommann said:
If you compares the net incomes of HTC and Apple, you could possibly get some kind of estimation as to the (very) rough volume of phone sales HTC have made.
The i phones touch software i believe is more refined, but the HTC's larger screen i believe makes up for this, i am running 1.42, perhaps in later updates there has been some change.
Regardless, i believe the touch systems are about equal.
The iphone was pumping more volume through my mini max 2 speaker than the hd2 even with sound booster, however the wow srs hd, made the hd2 surpass the iphone in customisability and quality of sound.
I have decided i just don't like apples style that much, it's not any one thing about the product, it's a good product, it's just not my taste.
The HD2 is my taste and it's on par if not better then the iphone.
Considering on par performance, i can make the choice purely on taste.
I think macs reign is going to come to an end in 2011 with windows mobile 7 and the massive range of products that will support it at prices that could likely be lower then than the i phones.
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Let's just hope HTC won't kill HD2 with it's everlasting strategy of releasing new products every few months causing old ones to die silently
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Let's just hope HTC won't kill HD2 with it's everlasting strategy of releasing new products every few months causing old ones to die silently
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Truth be told i think the HD2 will die when windows 7 is released.
Easy solution is to just sell it and buy a HD3 or whatever else may be available around that time.
As see the HD2 as just being HTC's little experiment, something to bridge the gap between wm7's arrival.
I wouldn't mind seeing and android version released though.
I'll be happy with a HD2 on wm6.5 till the end of the year in any case.
Edit: Please help me in this thread, i have one simple question:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6261832#post6261832
randommann said:
Truth be told i think the HD2 will die when windows 7 is released.
Easy solution is to just sell it and buy a HD3 or whatever else may be available around that time.
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Well, that's not really a solution. WM7 and WM6.5/6.5.X are in no way comparable! WM7 is a disaster (as far as I can tell by now) and there's no way I'll switch to WM7!
I Dont' see why there is a hype for wp7, to me it looks horrible i don't like all the square "hubs" on the homescreen and page transition just takes too long, seeing demos on it, it feels like a cheap and poorly developed OS
malex1 said:
You could send an email to HTC and ask, I do not think it is something they would need to keep a secret. They may even be proud of the number sold, as there are probably more HTC touch phones than iphones sold.
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Well, i did ask HTC, but they responded as this is classified top secret nuclear weapons of ass destruction information
randommann said:
If you compares the net incomes of HTC and Apple, you could possibly get some kind of estimation as to the (very) rough volume of phone sales HTC have made.
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Not true. Apple makes a massive profit margin on each iphone sold; if I remember right, it sells something like 5-10% of smartphones (or phones, I forget which) and earns about 30-35% of the profits.
I wouldn't be surprised if all HTC phones put together sold more than the iPhone, but HTC definitely doesn't make as much profit.
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...nuclear weapons of ass destruction...
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Now there's a picture I'm not comfortable with
Thoughts ??
Things like this goes on all the time... usually a hefty fine takes care of things
Although Android is by Google... why is Apple sueing HTC ??
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...y_spell_trouble_for_other_android_makers.html
UnicornKaz said:
Thoughts ??
Things like this goes on all the time... usually a hefty fine takes care of things
Although Android is by Google... why is Apple sueing HTC ??
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...y_spell_trouble_for_other_android_makers.html
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Apple is always suing nowadays. Which is completely retarded. Jobs likes to say it's better to steal than to copy or invent, yet his company is constantly trying to stop other companies from doing what he did. He's the biggest hypocrite and I feel terribly for his children that will probably end up with a load of mental problems (just like daddy).
rorytmeadows said:
Apple is always suing nowadays. Which is completely retarded. Jobs likes to say it's better to steal than to copy or invent, yet his company is constantly trying to stop other companies from doing what he did. He's the biggest hypocrite and I feel terribly for his children that will probably end up with a load of mental problems (just like daddy).
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Best comment ever!!!!
UnicornKaz said:
Thoughts ??
Things like this goes on all the time... usually a hefty fine takes care of things
Although Android is by Google... why is Apple sueing HTC ??
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...y_spell_trouble_for_other_android_makers.html
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They're suing HTC because HTC became owners of S3 Graphics and Apple infringes on S3's patents. It's a preemptive strike to force HTC into settlement.
It's sort of a test the waters thing....Notice the timing. If they win, great! Because they get to snuff HTC out for a bit in the U.S until the appeals go to court. This could block HTC from getting phones into the U.S when the rumored iPhone 4S/iPhone 5 is released. If they lose, they can keep trying and tying HTC up...it is likely HTC WILL settle and some deal will be made so Apple is 'safe' using the S3 patents and HTC is safe using the Apple patents.
I'm sure on some level Apple is threatened by HTCs growth, I mean they have truly boomed big time in terms of sales and sheer proliferation of devices. There's not 1, but several HTC devices on every carrier and now they are making tablets too. The price of being popular is becoming a blip on Apple's suedar.
Google isn't liable for any of these lawsuits because they don't make a device and they don't sell Android. Any problem with the licensing falls to manuf. primarily who sell devices with Android on them. Microsoft is also going after device manuf. which use Android because it also owns patents that Android 'infringes' on. Don't get me wrong, they CAN go after Google but it would be a long drawn out mess that wouldn't benefit them in the least. It is better to go after the smaller guys who are likely to settle in the form of royalties or cross-patents with snazzy patents they may own themselves.
In the end, it's just business. It's deceptive, sneaky and ugly, but it's business.
Bottom line, Apple's feeling the heat & very threatened .
Pathetic....
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=252442468100086
We should show that we are all united to help HTC and not let Apple take down the company who make our devices. One of the best Android makers there is in the world currently.
HTC isn't going away. They will just have to pay a bunch of money to Apple and Google said they will help HTC stay in business if that happens.
Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
cmsjr123 said:
Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
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lol, people are really taking this serious?
HTC isn't going anywhere. They're large enough to take care of themselves and if worst comes to worst they have google backing them and if they're smart, Samsung, Motorola, LG and the empire of android manufacturers will back them up also.
This is only the beginning they're intent is to bring android down they are in the process of sueing everybody.
starplaya93 said:
lol, people are really taking this serious?
HTC isn't going anywhere. They're large enough to take care of themselves and if worst comes to worst they have google backing them and if they're smart, Samsung, Motorola, LG and the empire of android manufacturers will back them up also.
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I think all of them would rather see a competitor fail. Best case scenario in their mind: HTC sales drop, get hit with more fees per phone, become weak and get sold on the cheap.
squidlymandingo said:
This is only the beginning they're intent is to bring android down they are in the process of sueing everybody.
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squidly, Im a huge fan of your D2 rom, but do you really think Apple can take android down? It wont happen, its already too late. Maybe 3 years ago it could have happened but the lawsuits are too little to late.
mikeyinid said:
squidly, Im a huge fan of your D2 rom, but do you really think Apple can take android down? It wont happen, its already too late. Maybe 3 years ago it could have happened but the lawsuits are too little to late.
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HTC is already paying MS for each Android phone sold, if they have to pay Apple too it may become prohibitively expensive to sell them and still make enough profit. I don't know how much they pay MS or potentially Apple but it's a possibility.
Not Android but HTC is a piece of the puzzle. And they compete with OEMs not Android.
IDC WHAT happens to this country. I want to see apple fail today. I want to see the iphone off the market completely. The iphone screams that the owner is an idiot.
Why is HTC paying ms for each phone they sell?
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HTC is already paying MS for each Android phone sold, if they have to pay Apple too it may become prohibitively expensive to sell them and still make enough profit. I don't know how much they pay MS or potentially Apple but it's a possibility.
Not Android but HTC is a piece of the puzzle. And they compete with OEMs not Android.
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runcool said:
IDC WHAT happens to this country. I want to see apple fail today. I want to see the iphone off the market completely. The iphone screams that the owner is an idiot.
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Based off of your post, I'm pretty sure that I know about a couple of dozen iPhone owners (ie almost every one of them) who clearly smarter than you.
mikeyinid said:
Why is HTC paying ms for each phone they sell?
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For the same reason - patents.
mikeyinid said:
Why is HTC paying ms for each phone they sell?
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Well, lets Google.
http://www.businessinsider.com/htc-pays-microsoft-5-per-android-phone-2011-5
Lets see what we have here. We have people that wants Apple (an American company) to fail. We have the same people who wants HTC, LG, Samsung, and etc (all foreign companies) to take down apple. I don't follow the line of reasoning.
I don't like GM cars but I sure don't want them to fail or be underdog to the foreign markets.
I'd rather bug HTC for source code to 2.3.3 update
As for buy american, I agree but I also disagree: https://www.insightcommunity.com/case.php?iid=1333 (move down)
'Buying American' used to mean more than buying an American based company's goods ... mainly product made in America. Or at least for the most part. The two might be based (for the most part), as a whole, in two different regions ... in a way. But they are essentially coming from similar locations, in this case; not America / US.
But, hey ... 'merica! *waves mini flag*
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cmsjr123 said:
Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
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Apple is having ZERO profitability issues.
http://stocks.investopedia.com/stoc...surd-AAPL-DELL-HPQ-RIMM-NOK-GOOG-PHG0720.aspx
cmsjr123 said:
Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
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Just wow! Where the hell is it posted that Apple had a loss of profit because of Android? Apple is just pulling a **** move, that is all. Android is NOT a threat to iPhone/iPad sales in the least!!!
Read this
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/21/apple-tops-android-in-enterprise-little-green-robot-still-gunni/
And then this.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/19/apples-q3-earnings-exceed-estimates-28-57-billion-revenue-7/
Please educate yourself before you talk out of your ass.
Award Tour said:
HTC is already paying MS for each Android phone sold, if they have to pay Apple too it may become prohibitively expensive to sell them and still make enough profit. I don't know how much they pay MS or potentially Apple but it's a possibility.
Not Android but HTC is a piece of the puzzle. And they compete with OEMs not Android.
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At the $5 a handset that HTC is paying MicroShaft, if Apple follows the same model, I don't see that eating too much in HTCs profit margin.
CDKJ said:
At the $5 a handset that HTC is paying MicroShaft, if Apple follows the same model, I don't see that eating too much in HTCs profit margin.
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Lets say that Apple makes it $10 a handset. How much does HTC pay for a WP7 license? I've heard $5-10, that makes it more espensive or equal. But then consider the additional costs: a WP7 license comes with IP protection (HTC is spending a lot of money fighting MS and Apple), then there's QA testing that has to be handled by the OEM, development costs for drivers, and then finally design and development costs for HTC sense. Android itself is free but creating/selling a consumer version of it isn't. Is $10/handset + the additional costs too much? I have no idea but I don't think it helps.
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I think the best response to apple trying to shut down android would be for every android user to file a class action suit against apple to recuperate the money spent on their android phones, I think there would be enough interest to make apple pay attention, maybe just the threat might be enough, who knows....just a thought
http://pocketnow.com/2013/02/22/htc-one-iphone-backups
I think they sold out to Apple more than Peter Chou led us to believe. I am guessing like 20% of the profits from the HTC One goes to Apple. They might as well make sense 6 IOS instead of Android. Apple gets more money than Google from HTC handsets now.
Tomatoes8 said:
http://pocketnow.com/2013/02/22/htc-one-iphone-backups
I think they sold out to Apple more than Peter Chou led us to believe. I am guessing like 20% of the profits from the HTC One goes to Apple. They might as well make sense 6 IOS instead of Android. Apple gets more money than Google from HTC handsets now.
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Your post makes no sense...
So because the HTC One can sync your Iphones contacts/emails/Photos/texts (just like it can for Nokia, Samsung dumbphones, etc) HTC now pays 20% of their profits to Apple?
Please... Tomatoes why do u have a vendetta against HTC?
Your posts lack rationality.
Tomatoes8 said:
http://pocketnow.com/2013/02/22/htc-one-iphone-backups
I think they sold out to Apple more than Peter Chou led us to believe. I am guessing like 20% of the profits from the HTC One goes to Apple. They might as well make sense 6 IOS instead of Android. Apple gets more money than Google from HTC handsets now.
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You are the biggest HTC hater on this forum... you have not made a single post in the HTC forum that has made any sense.... go away... back to where you came from.... we get it you don't like HTC....
I wish a mod could ban you from posting in the HTC forum
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I think it's a clever idea, people who have never used Android before wont be thinking 'Ahh but i can't transfer all my stuff over'..
ppl like him just spamming for fun and hate devices they never looked at.
y can't ppl be civilized in forums?
Samsung has this with kies
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Maedhros said:
Your post makes no sense...
So because the HTC One can sync your Iphones contacts/emails/Photos/texts (just like it can for Nokia, Samsung dumbphones, etc) HTC now pays 20% of their profits to Apple?
Please... Tomatoes why do u have a vendetta against HTC?
Your posts lack rationality.
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It makes perfect sense. HTC sold out to Apple by agreeing to pay them for each HTC handset sold while Samsung, Google, and every other Android manufacturer continues to fight the good fight.
Now we do not have the exact details of the agreement, we know that HTC chickened out. Now that we see that the HTC One is a blatant iPhone 5 rip off and it has easy synch features with IOS without legal wrath from Apple, HTC must be paying them more than I thought.
See it is common sense and makes perfect sense. I know common sense can be difficult for HTC fans to follow but all of my posts are logical.
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It makes perfect sense. HTC sold out to Apple by agreeing to pay them for each HTC handset sold while Samsung, Google, and every other Android manufacturer continues to fight the good fight.
Now we do not have the exact details of the agreement, we know that HTC chickened out. Now that we see that the HTC One is a blatant iPhone 5 rip off and it has easy synch features with IOS without legal wrath from Apple, HTC must be paying them more than I thought.
See it is common sense and makes perfect sense. I know common can be difficult for HTC fans to follow but all of my posts are logical.
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What...? Have you ever taken a logic course in your life? You must be a troll...
Also - u realize Apple has more cash then even Google? HTC was targeted from the very start, they couldn't afford to continue a patent war, nor do they have the patents necessary to fend off apple.
Again, not sure what you are going on about. Even if they are paying apple - SO WHAT?
If it wasn't for apple u wouldn't have the competition you have to this date. Don't forget, Googles original vision of Android was based on the BB model. It was because of apple that we have the android that we enjoy using.
Maedhros said:
What...? Have you ever taken a logic course in your life? You must be a troll...
Also - u realize Apple has more cash then even Google? HTC was targeted from the very start, they couldn't afford to continue a patent war, nor do they have the patents necessary to fend off apple.
Again, not sure what you are going on about. Even if they are paying apple - SO WHAT?
If it wasn't for apple u wouldn't have the competition you have to this date. Don't forget, Googles original vision of Android was based on the BB model. It was because of apple that we have the android that we enjoy using.
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So what? I don't know about you HTC fans but I have principles. I would never support a company like Apple abusing the patent system and neither should anyone that wishes to see a just and fair society.
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This thread serves no purpose but trolling.