Hi everyone, I ordered this one from eBay however I'm starting to think I may have rushed a bit. It is on its way, shipped and specs seem very good but if anyone knows anything about it I'd like some feedback.
What is RockChip RK3188*like? There is not much info about it on the internet, I did see a video of a guy AntuTuing it on Archos tablet and it scored more than my Nexus 7 2012, in fact about 6000-8000 points more, depending on what I currently am running on my N7 (the box does have 2GB RAM, which is double the size of N7's RAM). But it may be different in practice, I plan to use it for basically the same stuff everyone here seeks a box - XBMC, movies and TV shows in general. But can I steam a movie file from my PC to the box over WiFi (I suppose some typical LAN steam is available in XBMC?). How do these devices work with 1080p movies (and shows too, shows have full 16:9 1080p, movies have a height of less than 1000 pixels, most of the time).
How do I control it? Is there some app for controlling it with another Android device, don't tell me I need to use a wireless keyboard/mouse every time
Thanks!
Here is a link
http://m.ebay.com/itm?itemId=111155242479
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Hi guys!
I am looking for a nice android based radio to my Outlander 2011. I found at least 5 types of design "Fascia change" devices. I think that they are not so popular among people so I have another question. I am looking for 2DIN newest device. Could you please give me a list of 5 newest or best pieces I should consider? It is very important for me to keep steering wheel buttons working and need very good sound quality on built in Rockford Fosgate audio system with external amp and 2-3ohm 8x speakers + woofer. I've heard that some devices not work properly or give not exciting experience.
Thanks a lot!
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If you looking for a Android aftermarket there is no way you can choose with audio like the way you wanted. They're just simply like China Android phone or tablet placed on your car.
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So there is no any bestseller?
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Personally, I'm waiting for the 8 core systems to mature a bit. I have a 4 core, and it's a little sluggish. I find myself having to roll back to 4.4.4 after upgrading to 5.1. Just too slow. The new 8 core systems are out, but it still seems early to make a firm decision. Ownice and Indashnet seem to be the 2 main manufacturers that I've seen. Everyone else does 4 core. Joying has a 2GB Intel based system that kind of rests in the middle, but considering it costs about the same as an octacore, I would rather wait a bit to see which of those the community takes to the most.
I got deeper into those 8 core and they seem to be super crappy as they use extremely slow Allwinner and Mediatek A53 which sucks. Intel in Joying looks interesting but this device has problems with obdii and few other things. I ve seen pumpkin doing also intel device. However maybe some of you know if there is any manufacturer who still has dvd slot with Intel SoFIA and 2GB + USB for pendrive music? Or at least USB.
On the other hand - is it very hard to make car USB in armrest working with such android device?
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Or on the other hand - What about Windows CE 6.0 devices - are they causing less problems? What I need is nice and smooth infotainment system, working steering wheel buttons, bluetooth and usb and fast boot after turning engine on.
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Right now I believe the 2GB Intel Sofia head units with Android 5.1.1 from Joying are the best. There are 8 core units on the way, but who knows if that's one month or six months down the road... There are also some units advertising Android 6, but reports seem to indicate that these are a mess of a mashup between 4.4, 5.1 and 6.0, and not true 6.0 units. As for performance, I'm pretty happy with the Intel unit. I wouldn't use it for gaming, but it does all what I need it to do which is Maps, Spotify, 1080p movies and so forth. Unless you have some specific need for doing something that requires very high performance, it is quite adequate as a head unit in a car.
As for special sound setups, it gives you preamp outputs, 4 channels (FR/FL and RR/RL) as well as a sub output. The sub output isn't really managed though, so no crossover or phase selection on it. You can use these preamp outputs to hook up aftermarket amplifiers, but don't expect the head unit to power big speakers with the internal amplifier.
I didn't read the same things about the 8 core units on here. Many people are saying that the CPUs are a lot faster than the Intel cpus, and at least some of them are running true 6.0, not a mashup. It's legit, but nothing has been rooted and the community is still divided. I've definitely read that the Intel CPUs won't be upgrading past 5.1 because they're no longer supported by the manufacturer as well.
My source is mostly this post, and the thread it's in:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=70311462&postcount=12
As far as I know, yes Intel has dropped the Atoms, but Rockchip has taken over the chips and will continue making them and supporting them as per a cooperation agreement with Intel (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockchip look at the bottom to see Intel Sofia 3G). Intel may have pulled out, but the architecture isn't dead yet. Sure, it may be dying and might not have any new direct successors, but I recon it's time to upgrade the entire head unit long before it reaches the end of its useful lifespan (2-3 years). This will be true for any smart android head unit you buy today anyway..
Do any of the other 2GB RAM Android Head Units available today have a true sleep or suspend (ultra low power mode) that allows the unit to start up instantly like the 2GB Intel Sofia models? To clarify, this instant on feature is not the same as the past Rockchip or other cpu type of Android head units that have options for delayed shutdown of up to two hours or more. This new feature means you do not have to wait 30 to 60 seconds for the system to fully boot after sitting for a few hours or days. IMHO, the instant on feature combined with 2GBs of RAM appears to be the best or one of the best options for Android head units available today. Do the latest Ownice or Indashnet units have this instant on feature? If not, that would be a deal breaker for me, as I have Joying and Hotaudio units that work fine for most part (thanks to the xda firmware developers and contributors here). Nonetheless, these older 1GB RAM Rockchip units could be faster and the boot time is not acceptable in a vehicle.
Moreover, any Android head unit that does not allow for root access would be a complete deal breaker here, no matter how fast... (no root = no purchase). The one thing that concerns me with the 2GB Intel Sofia models is that nobody on xda appears to have found a way to access Recovery yet.
In regard to audio quality, even the 1GB RK3188 JY and HA units sound decent in my Mitsubishi with the correct factory amp adapter wiring kit and the Viper V4A audio mod app.. Please note that I'm not an audiophile by any means, so your mileage will vary.
Anyway, just my 2 cents... and thanks in advance to anyone that can let me know if any of the other Android head units have the instant on feature.
Happy New Year!
R
I recently installed a Joying 2GB RAM intel head unit, and although it is NOT a high powered cpu ( 4cores at 1.1 Ghz) it does seem adequate for its purpose.
Typically I run torque / bluetooth ODBII, dashcam/dvr, music app, tablet talk, read it to me, and google maps at all times. Processor usage is normally in the 50-65% range and it still seems quite snappy. The intel chip does run hot, and thermal throttling can be a issue. I added a big heatsink and fan at the top of the case, problem solved. The instant on works very well. When starting the car it automatically finds my phone, ODBII adapter, and hotspot within a couple of seconds of power on.
It does suck not having any type of recovery such as TWRP. The only way to recover from a non-booting system is a full reload of the stock ROM. It does leave the /data partition so at least all your apps are still there, and most settings can be restored using titanium backup. Just today I updated the boot animation with one I created and it wouldn't boot. It took me about 1 hour to get it restored back. At least it does have root out of the box.
The Joying is my first android based HU, and I'm actually quite impressed with it so far.
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As far as I know, yes Intel has dropped the Atoms, but Rockchip has taken over the chips and will continue making them and supporting them as per a cooperation agreement with Intel (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockchip look at the bottom to see Intel Sofia 3G). Intel may have pulled out, but the architecture isn't dead yet. Sure, it may be dying and might not have any new direct successors, but I recon it's time to upgrade the entire head unit long before it reaches the end of its useful lifespan (2-3 years). This will be true for any smart android head unit you buy today anyway..
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I guess my issue here is that I, also, already have a 1gb 4 core unit. So, for me, I'm looking for a bit of a better upgrade if I'm going to spend another $400 so soon. I am, honestly, hoping for a way to upgrade my current system - I don't think they'll make compatible modules for the Intel or the octa core. That said, I'm going to limp along with my current system as long as I can before making a decision. I think that for those making a decision right this minute, there's a lot to take into consideration. I would seriously recommend avoiding the 1gb RK3066 or RK3188 units at this point, though.
If you have a head unit that works today and you're not in immediate need of a new one today, then you can safely wait and see what the coming months will bring. It seems that the market for these Android units are finally moving away from 1GB ram units, in favor of 2GB ram. At this point, you should avoid everything which only comes with 1GB ram. I never had one, but from what I read they didn't allow much in terms of multitasking. The 2GB units will always perform better than the 1GB units, so the choice is fairly easy there. The benefit from the Joying Intel units, is that they are the only ones I've seen so far which offer 32GB internal storage. I don't understand why in 2016, now 2017 the other manufacturers insist on sticking with 16GB internal storage, but this gives a quite distinctive advantage to Joying. Also the previously mentioned sleep mode where you get true instant on feature is really nice.
Can someone having Rockford in Mitsubishi can tell anything about built in car BT and phone buttons in steering wheel? They still work or at least are used to control phone functions in HU?
What about USB in arnrest and AUX - do they work or is it possible to wire them for working?
Rockford will still have it's power? HU amp is written to have 4x50W while whole system is 8 speakers + 1 woofer altogether 710W. What is rockford's input?
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Hilari0 said:
If you have a head unit that works today and you're not in immediate need of a new one today, then you can safely wait and see what the coming months will bring. It seems that the market for these Android units are finally moving away from 1GB ram units, in favor of 2GB ram. At this point, you should avoid everything which only comes with 1GB ram. I never had one, but from what I read they didn't allow much in terms of multitasking. The 2GB units will always perform better than the 1GB units, so the choice is fairly easy there. The benefit from the Joying Intel units, is that they are the only ones I've seen so far which offer 32GB internal storage. I don't understand why in 2016, now 2017 the other manufacturers insist on sticking with 16GB internal storage, but this gives a quite distinctive advantage to Joying. Also the previously mentioned sleep mode where you get true instant on feature is really nice.
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The 32GB doesn't matter as much to me because I don't install that many apps. I have a 128gb USB stick connected for my music, and I can easily jump that much higher if I need to. 2gb ram is definitely important. The faster the CPU the better, though. My quad core 3188 is sluggish even when I don't have anything loaded and I'm not maxing the RAM.
A mate installed a yum cha Joying JY-135 and it seems ok. Radio signal seems to be weak. It seems to auto connect via bt to a Samsung 6 and starts to play audio but I have to manually press play to start audio on my M9. The screen doesn't dim when you turn the lights on which kind of sucks.
I think for music it should be fine and works well in my mates Nissan. As for me, I'd be using the rca's, just a shame that there's no sub volume control so you'll need a separate sub control knob.
choochee - which car do you have?
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choochee - which car do you have?
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Mates car is a Nissan X-Trail '07. I've got a Subaru Liberty Gen 4. We'll connect it with the proper supplied loom soon, only temp spliced at the moment. Can confirm that hu turns on straight away.
Almost made decision but still need to get sure. There are 2 options with Intel Sofia: pumpkin and joying (2DIN standart) Which one better to choose and why?
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Can someone having Rockford in Mitsubishi can tell anything about built in car BT and phone buttons in steering wheel? They still work or at least are used to control phone functions in HU?
What about USB in arnrest and AUX - do they work or is it possible to wire them for working?
Rockford will still have it's power? HU amp is written to have 4x50W while whole system is 8 speakers + 1 woofer altogether 710W. What is rockford's input?
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Hi, i have just installed a Joying UL-135N2 in my 2011 Outlander Rockford Navi.
Some part of the installation where quite manageable, but some parts are more complicated.
With the right adaptor, CTSMT002.2 from connects2 the Rockford and the SWC works.
The original BT will not work, but the SWC works with the HU BT functions.
Reverse camera needs 6.8V signal from the HU, so here you need an step-down converter and some soldering.
The USB in the armrest needs an adaptor cable, alternatively you can disassemble the mid console and solder the cable.
I have ordered the step-down and the adaptor cable , but not received yet. I have tested the camera with 6V, but the image quality is poor, hope the 6.8V is better.
Out2011
Hi.
My elderly mom gets lost in her Windows PC, but does OK on her Android tablet. I'm looking for a high-powered Android box to replace the Windows PC, doing mostly Skype and Mail/Web/FB/News. That rules out the mainstream Amlogic-based boxes (weak CPU, low RAM), but I'm worried the RK3399 boxes are marginal/amateurish/not well supported. The plan is to make the UI the exact same as her tablet, with the extra comfort of a mouse, big screen, and loud sound. She'll be doing he exact same things as on her tablet so I'm unbothered by Android/Desktop limitations. Skype support (so, no ChromeOS) and reliability/dependability are a must.
The Vorke Z3 has disappeared. Does anyone have feedback on the Cloudnetgo CR19 or the CSA96 ? Or at least their OEMs ?
Thanks for any help/advice.
Olivier
I agree, the CDR19 looks great. 4 x USB + SATA + external antenna, plus extra audio ports and front display.
$150-$200. I am tempted.
However what about the limitations I keep reading about RockChip? No one actually specifies what these are, and all my online searches reveal nothing, except old pre-2015 reviews of older architecture.
So what do you do? S912 DDR4 3GB? or RK3399 DDR3 4GB?
I got the $80 H96 max. It works OK as a PC once you switch Launchers (for some reason only MS launcher will install, no Nova, Google..).
The one limitation I ran into was DRM support; not an issue for PC use, but I'd avoid it as a media player/HTPC.
Performance, reliability, features are otherwise fine.
I got this one it works great as a pc/tablet or tv box it runs well with a 2.4ghz keyboard and mouse
4GB RAM 32GB RK3328 MXR PRO Android 7.1.1 Smart TV Box Quad Core 2.4GHz WiFi VP9 H.265 3D HDMI USB3.0 MXRpro HDR 4K Media Player
http://s.aliexpress.com/Zfy26R7n?fromSns=Copy
Or you can try remix os for pc's
http://www.jide.com/remixos
how much is your target price for rk3399 4GB android box?
how much is your target price for rk3399 4GB android box?
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Hi.
My elderly mom gets lost in her Windows PC, but does OK on her Android tablet. I'm looking for a high-powered Android box to replace the Windows PC, doing mostly Skype and Mail/Web/FB/News. That rules out the mainstream Amlogic-based boxes (weak CPU, low RAM), but I'm worried the RK3399 boxes are marginal/amateurish/not well supported. The plan is to make the UI the exact same as her tablet, with the extra comfort of a mouse, big screen, and loud sound. She'll be doing he exact same things as on her tablet so I'm unbothered by Android/Desktop limitations. Skype support (so, no ChromeOS) and reliability/dependability are a must.
The Vorke Z3 has disappeared. Does anyone have feedback on the Cloudnetgo CR19 or the CSA96 ? Or at least their OEMs ?
Thanks for any help/advice.
Olivier
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I got her https://www.geekbuying.com/item/H96-MAX-Rockchip-RK3399-Hexa-Core-64bit-4G-32G-4K-TV-BOX-379059.html after seeing it was the most mentioned on several forums. Once I replaced the default TV Launcher with a more normal one (strangely, only MS Launcher would install, most would bug out), she's happy with it, it's stable and runs the double-handful of apps she needs (Skype etc...). Got it on sale for $100-ish.
Go 912s, 905x2, or wait for the 922
Freaktab Com is your support local. Look for developers magendanz or superceleron.
This is a MUST! Support, support and support.
I have an n6 Max Buy magicsee, I love it ... yet it's the most unstable platform I have ever run!
The cloudnetgo is a dynamic promising device, I'd like to have one. Still supported minimal, don't do it. My little mecool m8s Pro with a magendanz custom ROM is a powerful fast extremely stable device. The pro L model comes with enhanced DRM abilities, meaningful high-def capability for streaming. I truly suggest you go look at the developers first. Look for the boxes I support. And you're better off to stay with an amlogic SOC, they just a wider and deeper support base. The amlogic S922 will be out shortly, and it'll be the best thing available oh, I am sure. Yet it will take awhile for support and custom roms to be available. That's my two cents, good luck
I ordered an Eonon GA2168K yesterday before I realized the Quad Core processor (A7) and ram (2GB) was potentially outdated. I like that it’s running 8.1 and the looks of the mount/ swivel feature to the 10.1” screen are more appealing to me.
However, I’m now considering sending that one back and ordering the Xtrons TE103AP. While I don’t love the looks of the screen mount as it appears to stick out way further than the Eonon (and only pivots vertically). I’m wondering if it would be best to have the upgraded Octa Core processor (A53) and ram (4GB). Is is really going to preform that much better to justify the additional $100? It’s also currently running 8.0 as opposed to the Eonon running 8.1.
I’m in over my head trying to gauge processors and ram specifications and just want to make sure I’m making the best decision for the money. The Eonon is $100 less which is more inline with my current budget but if the extra specs are far superior then I can prob justify the extra $100.
I don’t plan to do anything crazy with the head unit. Most intensive activity would probably be running videos on the unit for the kids on long road trips.
Thanks so much for any and everyone’s help with this. I’m freaking out trying to make the right call!
Insight?
Can anyone please provide some logic behind the processors and ram differences? I’ve been reading that even with an OctaCore processor it’s all about the app developers and if they’ve actually written the app to actually take advantage of the 8 cores properly. With that said maybe it’s the ram that’s more important.m but as I mentioned before I’m new to all of this.
Any comments are beyond appreciated!
Back at it!
Back at it again researching. I’ve actually been reading about more know issues with the Xtron unit that the Eonon in the last 24 hours. It appears the screen issue is pretty common which I’m wondering know if it has anything to do with the only vertical pivot mount and connector that I don’t really love.
I’ve also read that while the tech keeps advancing app developers have not gone back and rewritten apps to actually take advantage of the Octa core processor. In some cases people say the ovtacore units are not as fast as the quad core units because the apps are not optimized. Could this be true?
Still so torn. Really hope I can get some feedback on this thread. Maybe from some people who actually have the units and or units that utilize the same ram and processors...
Thanks again in advance for any comments.
Anyone?
Bump for some comments?
I just received my Eonon GA2175 this week, i was going to buy one of the 8 core 4g ram units but they were out of stock when i ordered it during the Valentines day sale which was too good a deal to pass up .
I read lots of different posts and the consensus was not to get a 1g ram unit as they tended to be laggy, i dont need a fast unit so as long as it plays music and runs Igo i will be happy.
Hopefully fiting it tomorrow although its going to be 37c so a bit hot to be working in a hot car.
Thanks a lot for your comments. I went ahead and installed the Eonon unit to give it a try and honestly I could not be happier at the moment. The unit is snappy fast and responsive. I have not yet (knock on wood) experienced any sort of lag. I am very happy with the screen mounting setup and of course the pivot which is one of the primary reasons I chose this specific unit. I’m imagining only time will tell how the CPU and RAM will do but I’ve also ready a lot about rooting the device to remove pre installed bloat ware which I’m kinda keeping as a fall back option currently if needed. I’d rather not root the device as I don’t really know all the cons of doing so just yet but at least it’s an option if I find the device to be slowing down and or having trouble keeping up. Once I’ve had more time to use the unit I’ll certainly add some additional feed back. Good luck getting yours installed!!! These android units are absolutely amazing value for the money!
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I just received my Eonon GA2175 this week, i was going to buy one of the 8 core 4g ram units but they were out of stock when i ordered it during the Valentines day sale which was too good a deal to pass up .
I read lots of different posts and the consensus was not to get a 1g ram unit as they tended to be laggy, i dont need a fast unit so as long as it plays music and runs Igo i will be happy.
Hopefully fiting it tomorrow although its going to be 37c so a bit hot to be working in a hot car.
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Cool @hangover68 - out of interest what is the MCU on that unit? Is it an MTCE or something else?
So..... two days in now and the audio started shuttering while several apps were open and working. I had the bag giving me directions, an app downloading, and the audio playing and it started shuttering bad. Turned off the bag and it was still shuttering. It seems like it will fire up and play audio ok but as soon as I try to do too much it starts like glitching or lagging. Is this the under powered CPU and RAM???? Seriously thinking about returning it now for the Octa Core 4GB ram unit from Xtrons or Dasaita 10.1”. Please help...
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So..... two days in now and the audio started shuttering while several apps were open and working. I had the bag giving me directions, an app downloading, and the audio playing and it started shuttering bad. Turned off the bag and it was still shuttering. It seems like it will fire up and play audio ok but as soon as I try to do too much it starts like glitching or lagging. Is this the under powered CPU and RAM???? Seriously thinking about returning it now for the Octa Core 4GB ram unit from Xtrons or Dasaita 10.1”. Please help...
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It could also be overheating - My Eonon did that when I first got it - (we were having 45 degree C days here in Australia!).
Download CPU-Z and check the thermals page when it is stuttering. This might give you a clue. Mine was reaching over 120 degrees!
The solution for me was to add a heatsink on top of the CPU, now it stays around 60 to 80 degrees even in the Australian heat
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Cool @hangover68 - out of interest what is the MCU on that unit? Is it an MTCE or something else?
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Not sure, will i find that in the system info ? Performance is good and IGO nextgen is running good, sound is much better than i expected.
Just got to route the reversing camera cable and wire it in.
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It could also be overheating - My Eonon did that when I first got it - (we were having 45 degree C days here in Australia!).
Download CPU-Z and check the thermals page when it is stuttering. This might give you a clue. Mine was reaching over 120 degrees!
The solution for me was to add a heatsink on top of the CPU, now it stays around 60 to 80 degrees even in the Australian heat
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Only thing is I live in NH of the USA and it’s like 15 to 20 degrees Fahrenheit right now. Should be plenty cool to keep any overheating issues at bay.
Fingers crossed the manufacturer can shed some light on the issues.
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Only thing is I live in NH of the USA and it’s like 15 to 20 degrees Fahrenheit right now. Should be plenty cool to keep any overheating issues at bay.
Fingers crossed the manufacturer can shed some light on the issues.
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Haha yeah maybe it isn't overheating then! :silly:
Yeah I hope they work it out for you!
HMI: KABT_010.2018.09.20.13.30
MCU: TS907.181110
MEDIA: HC_v1.0.0_180917_0900
BTV: BT.18.08.27.0930(C0:81:35:13:47:87)
OS custom build version is alps-mp-o1.mp5
Processor is an MTK 1.2GHz ARM A7 quad core
Dears,
anybody tried Eonon GA2178 - 10" Android 9 Head Unit?
I'm actually on Eonon GA2168K - 10" Android 8 Head Unit, it's a good device with minor problems.
Anytime developers fix a problem they introduce an other problem and there's no community support for MTK chipsets.
Because of this I'm evaluating the new Eonon GA2178, that is quite similar but based on Rockchip chipset.
Tks!