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Hey guys,
Just updated to the x10 after my samsung galaxy died on me, so far i am rather happy - except for the lack of root, but that will come.
I have noticed many complaints on the forum about battery life, and have experienced the same thing myself. From my experience, i think this looks like the same issue that was faced on a leak of 1.6 for the galaxy - it was referred to as the "No Sleep Bug".
TBH, the name says it all - for some reason, in many builds of android 1.6, phones were not sleeping correctly. There are many theories as to why, from cpu not being allowed to sleep, to permanent communication with google servers.
Despite all these different theories, one thing seemed to fix the problem - turning off all location services. Some people argue that a different carrier build, turning off just 'share with google' under location, turning off just AGPS etc. would fix it, but from my experience, the only real way to fix the issue was to turn off all GPS usage unless you need it. The once you have used it, reboot your phone.
This fix obviously sucks, and a new fix has recently been released by a veritable android-demigod around the Galaxy.
HERE IS A THREAD ABOUT NO SLEEP ON i7500 GALAXY;
(ok, some stupid rule says i can't post links - can a mod help me out?)
HERE IS THE FIX FOR THAT PARTICULAR BUG;
(ok, some stupid rule says i can't post links - can a mod help me out?)
LINKS ARE IN POST #5 - THANKS TO ONDOTEAM (would still be nice to get them in this original post though)
Now, from my experience, no sleep behave exactly the same way on the x10 as it does on the Galaxy;
1) I turn of all location services, and my battery life at least doubles.
2) After said turning off of services, 'spare parts' no longer says 100% running time under battery usage - in fact it can be as low as 10%.
These two factors are identical to my experience with Galaxy. SO; is there any way drakaz's fix can be applied to our X10's? It seems to me that the files he mods are standard Android system files, not sony/samsung specific.
Now i am no developer, so i dont know it this is possible - the first question that comes to mind for me is "do we need root access, or can this be done through developer tools using the android SDK?"
Can anyone help shed anymore light on this?
Seems to work for me. I disabled all location services. Spare Parts went down from 100% to 7.6%.
I'll just have to enable GPS when I need to use it..
Awesome! Glad to hear it has helped.
Let's keep testing this guys - if it does show up to be a big cause, then perhaps the devs around this place can help is figure out a patch for Drakas' mod to make it work with our x10's!
n3man said:
Awesome! Glad to hear it has helped.
Let's keep testing this guys - if it does show up to be a big cause, then perhaps the devs around this place can help is figure out a patch for Drakas' mod to make it work with our x10's!
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Hello send me a PM with links, I will try to post it
http://androidforums.com/samsung-i7500/61168-no-sleep-has-nothing-do-anything.html
http://androidforums.com/samsung-i7500/78471-no-sleep-bug-fixed-drakaz.html
Links from n3man
No sleep is easy to fix, took me a while to figure it...
Turn your screen brightness from manual to auto, spare parts will now start showing proper running stats, no more 100% running.
The screen is a little dark in auto but it will cure the 100% running.
GPS and location services etc make no difference to my X10i, I am running the 1.6 version unbranded UK handset, the only thing to stop mine running 100% is to put the screen on Auto.
ronnyuk said:
No sleep is easy to fix, took me a while to figure it...
Turn your screen brightness from manual to auto, spare parts will now start showing proper running stats, no more 100% running.
The screen is a little dark in auto but it will cure the 100% running.
GPS and location services etc make no difference to my X10i, I am running the 1.6 version unbranded UK handset, the only thing to stop mine running 100% is to put the screen on Auto.
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LOL... this is already going the way of the Galaxy thread!
My phone came out of the box with auto-brightness and i never changed that option, yet i still had no sleep.
Drakaz has done some fairly deep digging and is next to certain that it is an artefact of the geolocation bug discussed in the thread in which the problem was fixed.
I can't see "Spare Parts" in About Phone -> Battery Info
tuxStyle said:
I can't see "Spare Parts" in About Phone -> Battery Info
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Me neither.. I was wondering about that myself!..
Although I'd half assumed that they were referring to the total "up-time" figure which you can see at the bottom of the "about phone"; "Status" screen.. But perhaps not.?
Spare Parts is a standalone Program ...
(i don't know for sure if it is in the market or downloadable as .apk from somewhere here in the forum ...)
Bax
im_iceman said:
Me neither.. I was wondering about that myself!..
Although I'd half assumed that they were referring to the total "up-time" figure which you can see at the bottom of the "about phone"; "Status" screen.. But perhaps not.?
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You can download it here
Spare parts is indeed available from the market - it is a much more powerful tool for indicating battery usage than the regular android methods. The galaxy stared on 1.5 which had NO indicator of battery usage statistics at all, so we all learned about spare parts very fast.
Perhaps that is why no x10 users have realised about the potential no sleep bug; because so far only the android usage indicators have been used?...
Anyway, hopefully this can help us all understand the way our phones are working better together
n3man said:
Spare parts is indeed available from the market - it is a much more powerful tool for indicating battery usage than the regular android methods. The galaxy stared on 1.5 which had NO indicator of battery usage statistics at all, so we all learned about spare parts very fast.
Perhaps that is why no x10 users have realised about the potential no sleep bug; because so far only the android usage indicators have been used?...
Anyway, hopefully this can help us all understand the way our phones are working better together
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14% it's mine value for running time, not 100%. By the way thats 30 minutes of 210 in total :S
I'm also experiencing "No sleep bug" after i used GPS. I use Battery Graph to plot my power consumption and after I use GPS, I can clearly see that power consumption is high even if i turn the phone in plane mode.
In addition SE widget, used to turn on/off GPS, seems to not work very well for me. So, to fix the bug, i manually disable GPS in parameter menu and restart my phone. After that power consumption is hardly null (20% in 8h with MP3 on almost all the time).
mimok said:
I'm also experiencing "No sleep bug" after i used GPS. I use Battery Graph to plot my power consumption and after I use GPS, I can clearly see that power consumption is high even if i turn the phone in plane mode.
In addition SE widget, used to turn on/off GPS, seems to not work very well for me. So, to fix the bug, i manually disable GPS in parameter menu and restart my phone. After that power consumption is hardly null (20% in 8h with MP3 on almost all the time).
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Do you have 3G always on?
My phone has no trouble sleeping.
Gps hasn't really been an issue but I keep it off when not needed.
Here's my solid settings:
1) No auto sync
2) No moxier
3) Gps off
4) Restart after using wireless
As long as it's like this my phone lasts 2 days easily
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Do you have 3G always on?
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Yes, but I made a lot of test with and without 3G enabled and 3G seems not to be a problem for me. I think my problem comes from GPS.
ondoteam said:
Do you have 3G always on?
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3G always on.
n3man said:
LOL... this is already going the way of the Galaxy thread!
My phone came out of the box with auto-brightness and i never changed that option, yet i still had no sleep.
Drakaz has done some fairly deep digging and is next to certain that it is an artefact of the geolocation bug discussed in the thread in which the problem was fixed.
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I have been playing with mine for a month to work out what caused mine to not go into sleep, I keep GPS wifi etc on 24/7 but in spare parts I was running 100%, after numerous reinstalls and removing everything i chanced on turning on auto screen brightness, now when i unplug my x10 the running sits at the correct level.
No Geolocation bug here
I have this problem with 100% on and off. Sometimes when I check its under control (~10%), other times its at 100%. I have GPS off, no WiFi, auto brightness... don't know why it sometimes just gets stuck at 100% :/
Had a question about NFC tags... I'm seeing a bunch of coverage on them lately and it looks like it indeed could be useful.
It seems you would almost need 2 tags per "action" though.
I'd love to have one at work, but wouldn't I need one for "arrive at work" and "leave work" to turn on/off certain things?
I did see (at least some) apps that make use of TOGGLE - however, what if for example I had a Car NFC which I want to turn on bluetooth when I get in, and turn it off when I get out - what if I happened to enable bluetooth earlier - maybe listening to a bluetooth speaker? This would create an inconsistency and kind of break the toggle (assuming I was toggling multiple things, at least...)
Still trying to read through and thoroughly understand it - any insight from people who actually use these on a daily basis?
Seems like these NFC taskers need to create a new service to always listen to NFC - is that true? Are they battery killers?
Lastly - any recommendations on where to pick some NFC tags up?
I'm no NFC expert but I do use it with the Tagstand NFC Task Launcher.
1. You don't need 2 tag with NFC Launcher for, like you said, it can toggle. Toggle works by performing Action 1 the first time its scanned and then Action 2 the second time its scanned.
2. Say, for example, Action 1 says to turn on Bluetooth and Action 2 says to turn it off. You scan it and it performs Action 1 but its already on, it will do nothing (wont create some universe shattering paradox ). Then if you have take the phone off the tag and scan it again it will turn Bluetooth off (Action 2) and then loop back to action 1 and so on.
3. On our phone, if not all of them (idk), the NFC chip is only on when the screen is on. A mod found here enables it to be on always but this eats battery life.
4. I currently use Tagstand's own NFC stickers from their store and they are pretty cheap and work great. buynfctags.com has then cheaper but the blank ones have a minimum order of 5 and the custom printed ones have a minimum order of 250.
VERY IMPORTANT!- The Nexus 4 wont work with Mifare Classic 1K Stickers, these include Samsung tech-tiles, because they use proprietary standards (see here for more).All truly NFC compliant tags will work, eg. The Type 2 (NTAG203) and Type 1 (Topaz 512) stickers.
NFC stuff is great, don't get me wrong. But there are alternatives so I just wanted to offer some suggestions just in case you weren't aware. I'm writing this based on your "work" scenario.
I do a LOT of the stuff that you can do with NFC Task Launcher etc. with automation apps. You can in fact, do all the basics you can do with NFC with automation apps, the bonus of NFC is being able to pin point areas and to design complex macros. I've used Tasker in the past but right now I use llama primarily.
For me, NFC is more of a boon in "trusted" areas, like in my home, my car or say at work vs. out and about. I'll admit I'm slightly paranoid about nfc scanners/readers siphoning information right out of my phone. It's very highly unlikely but tech has gotten all the better and thieves are getting super creative - we're also making it so very easy for them. The culprit would have to be close to me and in case of our devices, the screen would need to be on, but that wouldn't be difficult in a cinema or in a crowded area. My habit right now is to disable it unless I'm home or have a reason to use it while out. Eventually I'll source a nice case for my phone and tablet that blocks it, then I can leave it enabled.
So, yeah...keep the alternatives in mind if you're just interested in basics. I set my wife's llama to set her phone to the silent profile when at work. She's not allowed to use her phone there but I hate her turning it off because sometimes she doesn't remember to turn it on when leaving but rather when driving on the way home. So her llama sets the phone to full silence when in her office and as soon as she leaves the garage it sets it to normal.
As I mentioned, with NFC it's more about the ability to pin point within certain areas and design more complex conditions. For example, llama can detect when I leave my home but it can't detect when I've moved from my office into my kitchen or into my bedroom. This entire area is just, Home. Maybe it could if I trained it but goodness knows I would hate to have to set adjustments based on each of the areas in my home anyway. NFC allows you to focus on the actual area. I haven't found a whole lot of use yet for my tags, but I do have one in my kitchen and bathroom which starts music on my N7. Of course, that's just really, really lazy of me vs. useful. There's also one in my car's phone mount that is set to turn on navigation when I mount the phone but I don't use that one since I have to enable GPS manually anyway.
Kevin has said everything re: the use of the tags and the stores. Some additional stores are here. Like him, I got mine from Tagstand because they look nice, were pretty cheap and they do try to beat competitor prices.
Good Luck.
Kaitlyn2004 said:
Had a question about NFC tags... I'm seeing a bunch of coverage on them lately and it looks like it indeed could be useful.
It seems you would almost need 2 tags per "action" though.
I'd love to have one at work, but wouldn't I need one for "arrive at work" and "leave work" to turn on/off certain things?
I did see (at least some) apps that make use of TOGGLE - however, what if for example I had a Car NFC which I want to turn on bluetooth when I get in, and turn it off when I get out - what if I happened to enable bluetooth earlier - maybe listening to a bluetooth speaker? This would create an inconsistency and kind of break the toggle (assuming I was toggling multiple things, at least...)
Still trying to read through and thoroughly understand it - any insight from people who actually use these on a daily basis?
Seems like these NFC taskers need to create a new service to always listen to NFC - is that true? Are they battery killers?
Lastly - any recommendations on where to pick some NFC tags up?
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Does anyone know the real max range possible of the NFC system the Nexus 4 uses or the range other devices can interface with it at? I guess really I am trying to find out if there is a way to increase the range from the official .2m / 8" to something farther away. I am trying to figure out how far away from my phone someone needs to be to read my info if I have my NFC turned on?
donec said:
Does anyone know the real max range possible of the NFC system the Nexus 4 uses or the range other devices can interface with it at? I guess really I am trying to find out if there is a way to increase the range from the official .2m / 8" to something farther away. I am trying to figure out how far away from my phone someone needs to be to read my info if I have my NFC turned on?
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well for the chips in our phones, it usually needs to be within 1 inch, like a key fob RFID scanner. I've heard CLAIMS that people can do it from across a room, although I don't believe the chip has enough power to make such a connection at that distance. (Someone correct me if I'm truly wrong, because I'm curious too).
For NFC chips, it usually requires that the chip touch a specific part of the back of the phone. Same with Google Wallet on pay pass. NFC is pretty neat and can be used for various things. Like wallet, tags, sharing items with another phone, etc.
Kaitlyn2004 said:
Had a question about NFC tags... I'm seeing a bunch of coverage on them lately and it looks like it indeed could be useful.
It seems you would almost need 2 tags per "action" though.
I'd love to have one at work, but wouldn't I need one for "arrive at work" and "leave work" to turn on/off certain things?
I did see (at least some) apps that make use of TOGGLE - however, what if for example I had a Car NFC which I want to turn on bluetooth when I get in, and turn it off when I get out - what if I happened to enable bluetooth earlier - maybe listening to a bluetooth speaker? This would create an inconsistency and kind of break the toggle (assuming I was toggling multiple things, at least...)
Still trying to read through and thoroughly understand it - any insight from people who actually use these on a daily basis?
Seems like these NFC taskers need to create a new service to always listen to NFC - is that true? Are they battery killers?
Lastly - any recommendations on where to pick some NFC tags up?
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Well, the confusion is in the word "Toggle" - instead for NFC Apps let's call them "Switch Tags". This means the first time you tap them, the execute one set of commands and the second time you tap them they execute a second set of commands. But these commands can be anything. So for example you wouldn't have either set of commands "toggle" Bluetooth - instead, you'd have it "Turn BT On" or "Turn BT Off". If you're BT was already in the state then nothing would happen.
NFC was developed to use very little power - part of the reason why the range is very small and you have to pretty much tap a tag. The affect on your battery leaving NFC enabled will be barely noticeable. The apps themselves are not "always on" - the tag is programmed to trigger the app when your phone's nfc antenna detects the tag.
As for where to pick up tags, of course I'd recommend AndyTags, but I'm biased. You can check them out, but there are lots of great places to get tags. For the Nexus 4 phone, make sure to get NTAG203 tags.
Hey I am still confused on these NFC Tags. I watched some video on how it works and it looks pretty awesome but i have some questions.
For example. I have a phone holder in my car. i only use it when i use my GPS. i want to paste an NFC Tag on the holder so every time I place the phone in the holder it turns on my GPS, launches my GPS app, and maybe turns off my Wifi. From what I have seen this can easily be done.
Here is the part I am confused about. When the phone is in the holder it will be right beside the tag. What effect does that have on the tag? Is it constantly communicating?
The feature i really want is this: when I remove the phone from the holder and away from the tag can I program it to turn off the "car settings"?
So I am wondering if I can use a phone holder and NFC tags to create a dock(without the charging). Put the phone on the dock and leave it there and it changes to "car settings" and keeps it at that setting. Take the phone out of the "dock" settings turn back to non-car settings.
everything i see involves tapping.
Prelude38 said:
Hey I am still confused on these NFC Tags. I watched some video on how it works and it looks pretty awesome but i have some questions.
For example. I have a phone holder in my car. i only use it when i use my GPS. i want to paste an NFC Tag on the holder so every time I place the phone in the holder it turns on my GPS, launches my GPS app, and maybe turns off my Wifi. From what I have seen this can easily be done.
Here is the part I am confused about. When the phone is in the holder it will be right beside the tag. What effect does that have on the tag? Is it constantly communicating?
The feature i really want is this: when I remove the phone from the holder and away from the tag can I program it to turn off the "car settings"?
So I am wondering if I can use a phone holder and NFC tags to create a dock(without the charging). Put the phone on the dock and leave it there and it changes to "car settings" and keeps it at that setting. Take the phone out of the "dock" settings turn back to non-car settings.
everything i see involves tapping.
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The tag is only a marker, in Stock ROM you need to actually unlock your phone before your NFC will start pooling (There are mods for this so no worries). The actions are all programmable depending on what kind of apps you use to program it, that's all!
Personally I find tasker to be more useful than NFC tag. I don't buy all the marketing gimmicks.
I have started to tinker with NFC tags.
Is there a way to start the stock android clock timer (from zero or a countdown from a preset time) using nfc tags? I tried NFC task launcher but it just uses their own in app timer, which im not a fan of (it doesn't show time remaining/elapsed and all that stuff). Or maybe an automation app that can be triggered by a nfc task.
Hi,
I was searching for a Smartwatch and ended in ordering a (Chinese) Lemfo LF16 with full Android 5.1, ...
Interesting for me was that it seems to be a nice watch, smartphone functions, all connectivities possible and also some health function like pedometer, etc.
https://de.aliexpress.com/item/Smart-Watch LF16
Someone else having this one and already experience?
What are you thinking of this watch?
When I receive my, I will post feedback...
Thanks
giovanne
I'm anxious to hear more from people on this, and if there are any hacks and such for it. I dreadfully searched for days for the standalone smartwatch that was best for me, in the price range of this thing, and settled on this one for it's quick access sim slot (I will be alternating between this and the Nexus 5X), loud speaker (which is on the side, not on the wrist/bottom) because I need to hear my notifications), big screen, and not overly geeky looks. Hopefully it's as good as it seams and I don't regret my choice!
Well,
Here is a quick list of what I have discovered so far. Depending on what you will be using it for, you will either really love it or really hate it!
I'm using it mostly for the Bluetooth MP3 player features in addition to the basic watch.
Pros
• Nice design ala "Gear S3
• I can finally walk down the street with my Bluetooth music playing and swinging my arms without intermittent cutting out!
• The Bluetooth sound reproduction is really good even with stock player.
• Speaker nice and load.
• The weather update now works using your phone data and no longer request that you turn on your GPS.
• Access Sim with requiring the removal of back cover.
• Got rid of the ugly backgrounds within Notification screen, just a sweet black (well almost black)
Cons
• Operating system seems very beta as it has the most ugly watch faces ever released for a Lemfo Android watch, and leaves us with only 2 tolerable faces (hence incomplete OS)
• Unable to load up custom watch faces via "Clockskin any more.
• Watchstrap LUGS have been removed so not custom watch strap mods
• Silver bezel only comes with white band.
• Watch strap is very flimsy compared to the silicone strap available with the X3 Plus
• Watch is toted as, "Ultra thin" but it is not. The bezel is low profile, but there is more to the body although beveled in, so the watch has an unattractive umbrella look to it.
• Bezel is not stainless steel but some other lighter metal, maybe Aluminum or Titanium Alloy, so the quality feels almost Toy like. (so don't bump it!) My X5 still rules!
• Lemfo cut cost by providing a less than adequate charging cable that has poor magnet strength.
• I bought two of these watches and only one of the chargers worked. (Murphy's Law)
• When booting to recovery, there is no way to navigate the menu as it only has one button
• When navigating some of the app functions user is unable to adjust a function that requires swiping as this brings you back to a previous screen (Try to increase the volume by swiping without backing out of the function!
• Still unable to add App widgets to existing basic three (weather, fitness, music etc)
• Some screens don't allow you to go one step back by swiping right, but instead you have to press the power button and start again.
• At times "Data" connection seems to keep turning it self off. I think it happens after phone goes to sleep for a period of time, but the function to disable "turning off the data" is no longer within the "Display" section.
• Screen is promoted as, "Amoled" but the blacks still appear back-lit!
Enable Data
Update,
Enabling data now has its own icon within the quick access screen. I think that I was disabling this, not knowing what it was and therefore concluded that the data was turning itself off.
Thanks for the really good and detailled feedback.
I got mine LF16 also in the meantime.
Overall I can agree with you "Star_Inc".
For my first tests and usage I only want to use it as "normal" clock/watch and to try the pedometer.
For the first tests and to have max. bat-life I use the watch in Flightmode without (GPS, GSM, WLAN,...)
For the normal clock I tested with custom ClockFace handling.
- apk - Clockfaces available for the KW88 clock will work on the LF16 too
- "ClockSkin" folder method works with e.g. the (standalone) launcher/app from Eric: http://roundandroidwatches.proboards.com/thread/267/standalone-clockskin-engine-apk-version
First pedometer tests where ok - will go on testing
Bluetooth with my Oneplus 3 Smartphone is working (but I don't like all the notifications on the watch)
Bluetooth filetransfer from Smartphone to LF16 is working (e.g. useful when transfering a new apk to the watch)
The suggested APP WiWear(SinWear) for the phone to connect is "horrible"!
I will go on testing...
does anyone know how i enabled syncing?
What about GPS accuracy? And battery life?.
Hey Guys
I have already received my watch i agree with stark_inc, but i see the quality of the bezel is good
the overall feedback after 2 days is good, except 2 things
1. the terrific support program WiiWear (SinWear), this is the only way to connect the watch to my phone, unfortunately failed to connect it to Android Wear, MediaTEK Smart Device or Fundo, i hope some body helps with this
2. i cant add more watch faces also
for battery life it is ok to keep in your hand 1 day (provided you don't go through it many), thickness is ok, i think it was to be better if it is 1.3" instead of 1.39"
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Daisuke1988 said:
does anyone know how i enabled syncing?
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Only i can sync the watch to the phone through the rubbish program WiiWear
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Hav4k said:
What about GPS accuracy? And battery life?.
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if you are going to use it much, it won't go with you for 1 day
turning off wifi will support battery significantly
GPS is ok i get my location exactly
Hey Guys
I tried ClockSkin Launcher and it is working fine
the major issue for me now that i cannot connect the watch to the phone except via this very poor WiiConnect (SinaWear) app, even it doesn't sync the steps and it really fool app, i hope someone can help how we connect the watch to Apps like Android Wear or any other useful app!
I'm Working On Something Wonderful!
Hey ladies and gentlemen,
If you are an owner of a LF16 or KW88 or LEM3 or BLITZ you are aware of the annoying inconsistent configuration of their custom watchface implication, and as a result some have been pulling their hair out trying to devise of ways to accomplish this the caliber of ClockSkin.
My solution is to do away with the entire operating system and install a ROM that supports native ClockSkin.
This work is in progress, but if successful we can then do away with this line of watches headaches, and focus our creativity to produce ClockSkin compatible faces.
I'll keep you updated!
And yes, this is a custom LF16 hardware!
@Stark_Inc, hey man, if you can do that, kudos, I'll try it out. Can you elaborate on what you're doing, other than making a ROM for these phones? What is it based on? Stock? Or using LF16 rom and just editing the watchface handling?
I think a new ROM is certainly not a bad idea if it can be done - it may allow us to more easily fix the rest of the problems, which I agree are many.
I'm soooo disappointed with this thing (LF16). I chose it because of the easy access of the SIM card because I thought I'd like to swap between phone and this, but the battery life, if the watch is used, SUCKS, and charging "in the field" is pointless given how lousy the connection is (bad format anyway). Starting to think what I would have preferred isn't a full android watch in the first place - but more like Android Wear. I'm really hoping people who are smarter than me save the day with new ROMs and other fixes to make it worth owning.
I didn't spend 100 bucks for a watch. I honestly don't care a whole lot for watches (jewelry in general), I paid for a smart device. What is the point if you can't use it all day - which you can't. You can use it as a watch all day. I haven't had the guts to try it with my sim card yet. I doubt it would be much better. But turning off BT and WiFi certainly improved battery life by a TON. But what's the point?
I thought it would be easy to find a replacement companion app for this thing (for smartphone) but nothing works with it. Even the one they want you to use is not only **** even it if it worked, but for me crashes (Nexus 5X with 7.1.1) ever time it connects. I can't track fitness for ****. Even Google Fit - um, where's the heart-rate data collection? I tried apps both directly on the watch and the Nexus - nothing seems to collect historic data.
I think some of my problems are more with "stand-alone Android" watches more then the LF16, but since this is my first, I could be wrong.
KW88/LF16 Lite and Clean
So i'm moving away from my original idea of porting a "ClockSkin" friendly rom, and instead I am working to make the KW88/LF16 Rom more cleaner, lite'r and battery friendly. In fact, I have sought of started to make the UI more like the GEAR S3. I'll keep you posted.
Oh. I've also installed my own clock face of preference within the existing WatchApp engine, and I am sure I should be able to activate other dormant faces in the future.
someone try to add this keyboard ? https://www.kickstarter.com/project...oard-the-first-dedicated-smartwatch-k?lang=fr
i'm looking to a faces like this too, i love one hand watch
Stark_Inc said:
Hey ladies and gentlemen,
If you are an owner of a LF16 or KW88 or LEM3 or BLITZ you are aware of the annoying inconsistent configuration of their custom watchface implication, and as a result some have been pulling their hair out trying to devise of ways to accomplish this the caliber of ClockSkin.
My solution is to do away with the entire operating system and install a ROM that supports native ClockSkin.
This work is in progress, but if successful we can then do away with this line of watches headaches, and focus our creativity to produce ClockSkin compatible faces.
I'll keep you updated!
And yes, this is a custom LF16 hardware!
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This should be great!
One question, KW88 watch is almost (except camera) the same HW than LF16, Do you Know if it's possible to flash KW88 ROMs in LF16?. Support for KW88 seems to be much better than LF16.
Small back from this watch I have for less than a week, the battery holds about 8 hours, without playing too much, black screen, not the needles in permanent lighting, I hope the arrival of a rom by Stark_Inc It would be really good, optimize the duration of the battery, make that one can further decrease the brightness, I have a sim card in and the data connections active. If not, I find it beautiful. I would like the screen to display the hours all the time, with a duration of 10 hours would really bein, is it a dream? I am on the orange network france.
Hi, I'm waiting form my LF16 to arrive (I guess I would go with the LEM5 for the 1GB of RAM, but I've noticed it after my watch was shipped ),
I'm spending my time planning my actions with itm so...
- Is kingoroot working on this watch to gain root access?
- is it possible (and needed) to activate swap on this watch?
- any list of mods/customization existing - maybe a new thread, or a sticky?
I hope people can make this watch worth the money, as I read it is not really that good....
Hi. I got this smartwatch for my son for xmas and I have not being able to get a pre-pay service provider to get a sim card for it. my son does not have a cell phone that is why we got him the watch but where ever i take it they say that wont work with their network. Can somebody please help me to finish with my son xmas present.
Thank you
Hi ,
The watch work with : 3G WCDMA 850/2100 ; 2G GSM 850/900/1800/1900 quad-bandes Network .
You have to find the telephone company that uses its frequencies .
Has anyone though about installing a bigger battery on this watch? I have seen some on eBay up to 1200ma. This would definitely sort out the battery problems but I have no idea whether or not they are safe to install or even what type of battery this watch uses as I haven't opened it up.
Something I was thinking about doing but not sure if it can be done
Hi Karl, can you send me the links to the ebay store please ? tnx , now the automnomy of my watch the 3 / 4 days are 5 hours max !
In this thread I'll write (and add later) all the possible and effective ways to save more battery with this device, which has a pretty disappointing sot and doesn't last all the day. My aim is, though, to try explaining what's going on.
Since this is my very first guide thread expect a lot of changes in a short time.
Missing something? PM me or leave a reply here. You can discuss the various methods here as long as you're posting true tips
Let's start!
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Battery Related Tips
Make sure your battery isn't dying Tip popularity: ultra Works: probably
All those tips won't really help you if your battery is faulty!
If you're like "I used to have 6 hrs SOT but suddenly I get 2 hrs on a 5 total" (extreme case) then you should directly buy a new battery (possibly the s7 Edge one) and replace it with the help of your friends
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Replace your battery with an s7 Edge one Tip popularity: not so much Works: possibly
Just by installing an original S7 Edge battery you're theoretically improving your device's long lasting capacity by 41% (because their size is 2550mAh vs 3600mAh)
Then you'll need to calibrate it. Please refer to this telegram group if you are in need.
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Display Related Tips
Decrease Brightness more and more Tip popularity: ultra Works: how not!
You'll understand this more when you'll read the next 2 tips! Decrease your screen's brightness and install an app to go even further. Also, enable auto brightness at minimum. It's ok saving power but it isn't if this means having a black screen
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Black Themes Tip popularity: high Works: of course
This device features an AMOLED display.
If you didn't know, this technology gives you true black by shutting down the pixels on your screen!
Given this, you're actually saving power when your device is displaying pure black
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Grayscale Display Tip popularity: medium Works: possibly
By setting your device in grayscale mode you're removing colors (wow) and since our device still features that AMOLED technology you're more likely to save power because of darker colors forcing pixels to be almost black.
Don't think you're really shutting down the RGB leds! In fact you're lighting up them all, but with decreased brightness. This won't work well if you use apps with bright/white themes!
It could also save power because of the less data to process(not confirmed)
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Disable Always On Display Tip popularity: medium Works: yes Explained by: Nikx97
You can't use AOD for long. That's true and Samsung knew why (other than marketing purposes) when our community asked louly for having it on our device.
Behind that, our display is different from the one mounted on s7.
What's different then?
Our display requires the cpu to be awake everytime, updating the screen or not, because there's no memory this display could use to just keep showing an image. From s7 and later, there's this memory that gets updated by the cpu every minute.
This surely ends up with a huge drain
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Software Related Tips
Reduce your CPU usage
Enable UPSM if you really need it Tip popularity: medium Works: of course
If your phone isn't rooted (I'd ask why are you even here) it will set up for you a black theme and set your device in grayscale mode, while decreasing brightness and disabling most apps. Then is up to you disabling wifi, bluetooth and setting it in airplane mode. I'd rather shut down my phone directly in this particular case
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Don't play intensive games Tip popularity: Ultra Works: overkill
If you're not playing games your CPU will be grateful to you and your battery too. There's not much to be explained.
Of course you can still play games. Just try to prefer simple ones instead of PUBG Fortnite Asphalt 9 The Sims Minecraft Gta Online etc
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Set up your CPU governors Tip popularity: suggested only by developers Works: Overkill if set properly
First of all for this you'll probably need a good kernel. Not necessarily a battery kernel, a fairly customizable one would fit nicely (If you're using an S7 Edge battery and you're on Android 7.0, feel free to try my kernel, ask for LKernel here).
Here are the best settings from what I've tried so far (I'm going to explain also why)
You'll need to set (perhaps with the aid of Kernel Adiutor or MTweaks) POWERSAVE governor for LITTLE and CONSERVATIVE for BIG.
The aim of this is to force LITTLE to work more than BIG, because it uses less power and it is enough for off screen processes and whatsapp, telegram and also some games (such as 1010 or sudoku or 2048). If you want to go further with this configuration limit your frequencies: the lowest you can to 600/800mhz for LITTLE and the lowest to 1800mhz for BIG.
With this configuration, when LITTLE can't handle some tasks BIG comes in rescue and solves the problem.
Lazily but it does his work and, of course, use less power.
It is advisable going further with kernel adiutor's settings to save more battery. I'm probably going to post my settings file later
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That's all I got time for today, maybe I'll add more in a week
Reserved. Just because I don't want people commenting "first!"
Anyone with the Kospet Hope smartwatch? Seems like it has good specs and features, higher than Zeblaze, what is your verdict? But I think I will go with the Kospet Hope Lite, https://www.smartwatchspecifications.com/Device/kospet-hope-lite-4g-smartwatch-phone/
The Kospet Hope 4G has 3 GB RAM and 32 GB storage space
senseijuan said:
Anyone with the Kospet Hope smartwatch? Seems like it has good specs and features, higher than Zeblaze, what is your verdict? But I think I will go with the Kospet Hope Lite, https://www.smartwatchspecifications.com/Device/kospet-hope-lite-4g-smartwatch-phone/
The Kospet Hope 4G has 3 GB RAM and 32 GB storage space
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I like it a lot, but the problem with it is the same as with other smaller Chinese brands: they don't provide any source code to the public, so everything has to be reverse engineered - the Kospet Hope already has TWRP and root, but a custom FW with all the goodies without the useless "Fitness" app (it would be nice, but the one on the watch is pure crap) and other bloatware would be AMAZING!
My advice is: the Kospet Hope 4G 3/32 is a great watch, but don't buy the Lite version if you haven't already ordered it. If you have, then you will enjoy that too! )
senseijuan said:
Anyone with the Kospet Hope smartwatch? Seems like it has good specs and features, higher than Zeblaze, what is your verdict? But I think I will go with the Kospet Hope Lite,
The Kospet Hope 4G has 3 GB RAM and 32 GB storage space
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Have had the Lite for 3 days and am quite disappointed. Great hardware, but useless firmware/OS, and there is no getting around it, that I have found...
The GPS is not working with the fitness app, so forget about tracing a map or route or whatever. Google Maps is useless, under this resolution.
You can check your pulse with the built in app, which is useless, no history or syncing to the phone. Even if it did, the accuracy is terrible. I had HIGHER pulse sitting in my car than during running.
Yes, you can download any app from the store, but remember the screen is 320x320... Do you have any idea how Facebook looks on 320x320?? It's half VGA!! Imagine that your phone screen is a quarter the size of you KEYBOARD. Now try to run the phone on that small size, that how an Android phone works and looks like...
Even the watch faces are terrible, and I still haven't found a way to add any.
It is a beautiful watch, quite bulky (too much), but it is mostly useless. If someone does a Wear Os ROM for it, it might be a killer watch, but definitely not with this firmware/OS.
Thinking of selling it and getting an Amazfit.
This seems like the same story for all these Chinese no brand watches: good hardware, garbage software !
Why don't they just open the whole thing up as open source and within a year you'd probably have a better platform than Android Wear. I guess they don't do this because then they wouldn't be able to hide all of the government mandated spyware to pillage your personal info.
Hope is the real deal.. Just wish the software was more customizable.
senseijuan said:
Anyone with the Kospet Hope smartwatch? Seems like it has good specs and features, higher than Zeblaze, what is your verdict? But I think I will go with the Kospet Hope Lite,
The Kospet Hope 4G has 3 GB RAM and 32 GB storage space
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Hi all,
I just got mine last week.
The good:
Great battery life
Full android means u can install anything .. if you choose to add anything.
Great specs and everything works like advertised.
All features work with no issues whatsoever.
Can put a sim card in it and make it work like a full phone.
Can import contacts from google and whatapp and so on.
Camera is great in lighted areas .. better than I expected but it is limited by watch size.
Screen is gorgeous and you get access to unlimited watch faces from google.
Bluetooth integration with phone and wireless and 4G work perfectly.
Waking screen on hand raise works great.
Ambient watch is perfect.
Screen and quality of the watch is top notch.
Charges back to full in an hour.
The wish list:
Better software that would allow you to customize your menus and move things around.
Ability to map the button presses so I can add google assistant to a button
Not so good:
Very hard to read the tiny letters of any messages you get in the menus
In bright sunlight it is hard to see the screen and the ambient clock
The charging cable connection can be weak and disconnect if in a shaking backpack.
Honestly, for the low price you pay and the battery life and quality you get, it is great and as it gets with smart watches.
Cheers.
Tony
"OK Google"
marley666 said:
Hi all,
I just got mine last week.
The good:
Great battery life
Full android means u can install anything .. if you choose to add anything.
Great specs and everything works like advertised.
All features work with no issues whatsoever.
Can put a sim card in it and make it work like a full phone.
Can import contacts from google and whatapp and so on.
Camera is great in lighted areas .. better than I expected but it is limited by watch size.
Screen is gorgeous and you get access to unlimited watch faces from google.
Bluetooth integration with phone and wireless and 4G work perfectly.
Waking screen on hand raise works great.
Ambient watch is perfect.
Screen and quality of the watch is top notch.
Charges back to full in an hour.
The wish list:
Better software that would allow you to customize your menus and move things around.
Ability to map the button presses so I can add google assistant to a button
Not so good:
Very hard to read the tiny letters of any messages you get in the menus
In bright sunlight it is hard to see the screen and the ambient clock
The charging cable connection can be weak and disconnect if in a shaking backpack.
Honestly, for the low price you pay and the battery life and quality you get, it is great and as it gets with smart watches.
Cheers.
Tony
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there is no need to map a button to get google assistant, you just go to settings, languages & input, virtual keyboard, select google voice typing, and then voice match, enable "ok google" any time and unlock with voice match and you'll be able to activate google assistant on any screen, that do not awake the watch unless you hit one button, but once you do just say "ok/hey google" working on my kopet Optimus pro
Firmware updates: http://bbs.kospet.com/forum.php?gid=44
For those who are interested: I got one
All firmware, hacking, tweaking and changing here on my page: https://sites.google.com/site/tweakradje/android/kospet-hope-lite
I bought the Kospet Optimus Pro and had problems with it after a day of use. The touch screen would go crazy sometime. Couldn't do anything with it. Did a few full reset, but eventually the problem came back. Think it was my last time buying a Chinese watch. In principle, the hardware specs is good. But, the software is garbage. And with me, the touch screen too. Upon searching in YouTube, I saw a person with the same problem. So, I would stay away from it. But of course, my was probably defective. Even so, I'll stick with a name brand that provide warranty within my country.
My findings after a month. No big issues.
firmware 03052019
Problems:
- wrist raise gesture doesn't always work
- some notifications disappear (like with OsmAnd/maps/vending and existing route)
- sort apps (by name) in launcher
- google voice search long press back-button?
- more accurate heart rate monitor
- glass in not gorilla glass, scratches
- screen consumes too much power
Whish:
- tap watch face actions like weather (on weather area on watchface) etc...
- round to square user zoom factor
- screen refresh rate to 30 Hz or less?
- set screen color intensity
- long press app in launcher > properties and uninstall
- extra launcher app overview like 3x3
- always on time digital/analog user selectable
Cheers
Issues on Kospet Hope
Hello
Cons:
1. the 400x400 resolution of display give us an impredictable screen which is hard to tap at the corner (the third-party applications like any browser give a very little interface who it is inoperable without apk who could changing the resolution of the screen).
2. the autonomy of battery is a big fault : with 2 hour of browsing in 4G connection, 7 hours of bluetooth connection with my Note 4 without screen on, half of the intensity of the screen all the time and 2 hours of working in settings tab,without 4G connection of mobile data it means 11 hours of a real life of battery! A big caca!
3. the keyboard is have many problems to tap at the edge so it very hard to write something in this tiny layout so facebook and Messenger are not suitable for these reasons;
4.Sometime the gesture"raise hand to turn on the screen" not works!
5. the wiiwatch2 it is big caca!
6. the Wach Droid Phone and assistant lose, ramdomly, the link with smartwatch (bluetooth connection)
7.My old smartwatch ZGPax S8 could make a decent browsing at only 240x240 pixels resolution, with translucent keyboard apllication "Flit Keyboard". The Kospet Hope it is in backyard, 10 years ago!
8. In charging mode with bluetooth on or wi-fi turning on, it is very hot
9. very thick! not for women!
10. a very unusefull interface of android 7.1.1
11. Iwill not buy another one !
Pro:
1.Speed.
2. Display Amoled
3. Sound
4.Good construction
5.Faces of watch
6.good camera pictures (5 MPx real, not interpolatwd by software) but worst video recording
senseijuan said:
Anyone with the Kospet Hope smartwatch? Seems like it has good specs and features, higher than Zeblaze, what is your verdict? But I think I will go with the Kospet Hope Lite, https://www.smartwatchspecifications.com/Device/kospet-hope-lite-4g-smartwatch-phone/
The Kospet Hope 4G has 3 GB RAM and 32 GB storage space
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Hi there! Ive got the update but cant really instal ... the screen doesnt show the OK button , .... i switch on rectangularish mode but no luck eaven wost
tweakradje said:
My findings after a month. No big issues.
firmware 03052019
Problems:
- wrist raise gesture doesn't always work
- some notifications disappear (like with OsmAnd/maps/vending and existing route)
- sort apps (by name) in launcher
- google voice search long press back-button?
- more accurate heart rate monitor
- glass in not gorilla glass, scratches
- screen consumes too much power
Whish:
- tap watch face actions like weather (on weather area on watchface) etc...
- round to square user zoom factor
- screen refresh rate to 30 Hz or less?
- set screen color intensity
- long press app in launcher > properties and uninstall
- extra launcher app overview like 3x3
- always on time digital/analog user selectable
Cheers
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hello do you now how to unlock bootloader thnx?
@terminator152 ??? Never heard of bootlock on Koset Hope.
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@terminator152 ??? Never heard of bootlock on Koset Hope.
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sorry im using BRAVE not Hope 6.0 android and bootloader is locked uff i cant find anywhere how to unlock it!!!!