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I recently acquired a HTC Universal for dirt cheap, and have found the first problem to explain the low price: Whenever I'm using a "power-hungry" application (TCPMP, Internet via Wi-Fi) it eventually just blacks out. Full shutdown without warning.
When trying to reactivate the unit, it reboots as if after a soft reset.
In fact, if I try to reactivate it too quickly, even the reboot fails.
None of the above happens when on external power.
This leads me to think that it's nothing worse than a battery that's lost its mojo, but since there is no warning about low battery, and when the reboot finishes successfully even SPB says the battery is somewhere around 70%, I want to run this by you guys.
What do you think? Just go get a new battery, or is there something else going on which will make buying a new battery just a waste of money?
I'd say it's the battery, 99% sure.
I'ts gotten old and its voltage breaks down under load. If you have proper equipment and a glimpse of an idea what you're doing you should drain about 300mA from the battery and measure its output voltage.
You'll most likely see it going below 3.0V quickly.
I'm afraid I don't have that equipment, but all I really needed to hear was that it's probably the battery.
Now I can stop thinking about it and just order a new batery.
Unexpected reboot - Apparently bettery issue
Hey Holybear, my device shows exactly same symptom, If possible let us know if bat replacement solved the issue>
Holy Bear said:
I recently acquired a HTC Universal for dirt cheap, and have found the first problem to explain the low price: Whenever I'm using a "power-hungry" application (TCPMP, Internet via Wi-Fi) it eventually just blacks out. Full shutdown without warning.
When trying to reactivate the unit, it reboots as if after a soft reset.
In fact, if I try to reactivate it too quickly, even the reboot fails.
None of the above happens when on external power.
This leads me to think that it's nothing worse than a battery that's lost its mojo, but since there is no warning about low battery, and when the reboot finishes successfully even SPB says the battery is somewhere around 70%, I want to run this by you guys.
What do you think? Just go get a new battery, or is there something else going on which will make buying a new battery just a waste of money?
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I knew I wasn't the only one withthat problem. I think i've prooved it to be a battery faultt. as if you taake te battery out after it gets to that stage where you just can not get it too complete a boot up without it shuttinng down again
take out battery ,place finer oveer all battery trmminals and plug inn your mainss charger it should now boot up and runn fin off the charger unless your finger slips off the battery terminals. thisshsowws it's the temprature sensor in the battery.
I posted a more in depth reply to a guy in the wm6 threads as wifi heeaating up battery wass shutting off his device as well
@ cyberjak
Hmm, the idea that a temperature sensor in the battery causes this problems is interesting. I'd just expect the device not being cappable of rebooting instantly, because there should be a hysteresis implemented in the battery's protection circuit.
I had the exact same problems and described them elsewhere, but in my case it surely wasn't an issue of temperature.
I'd suggest to take out the battery and wait about an hour for the device and the battery to cool off. Most likely the battery will then take a complete boot but shut down soon after that - without having gotten near to "warm" yet.
If this happens you can be sure that the battery itself is dead without needing to measure anything.
Okay, to tell you what I tried:
I ran the Universal until it spontaneously went dead.
Started bootlaoder to see how much longer it would work on that. Was a bit longer, what with low energy consumption, but soon even that wouldn't stay on for long.
Then decided to try the "old wives' tale" (meaning I don't know whether there's any sense behind it or not) of putting the battery in the freezer for a little while.
When I took it out and let it get back to normal temp, I plugged it in and after a while booted the Universal. It showed 40% battery, lower than it had ever gotten lately.
Recharged for a full day.
Tried TCPMP: went dead after three minutes.
So in my experience the above didn't help battery performance.
Am going to get a new battery in a few days; I'll keep you posted on progress as I try with a fresh battery.
I had the same problem, whenever i did something cpu intensive, it would just black out.
I just bought a new 3100mAh battery. Best thing i ever did. It might be thicker now with the new battery, but it actually feels more comfortable as a phone. Plus the new battery only cost 13 odd quid, so definately well worth it. Oh and it doubles the battery life (3100/1500 = ~2... duh)
Hope that helps.
oh you know wat i have the same problem with my Jasjar and the bigest problem that there is no batteries on market for Jasjars in my country....its looks like im living in Jurassic Century!!!
If you want i can send you a battery xplayer, they're quite cheap here.
Rc-Blob said:
I had the same problem, whenever i did something cpu intensive, it would just black out.
I just bought a new 3100mAh battery. Best thing i ever did. It might be thicker now with the new battery, but it actually feels more comfortable as a phone. Plus the new battery only cost 13 odd quid, so definately well worth it. Oh and it doubles the battery life (3100/1500 = ~2... duh)
Hope that helps.
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I ordered a regular battery replacement, but maybe I'll add a 3100mAh as well.
I could use it as a media player during long train trips.
Holy Bear said:
Okay, to tell you what I tried:
I ran the Universal until it spontaneously went dead.
Started bootlaoder to see how much longer it would work on that. Was a bit longer, what with low energy consumption, but soon even that wouldn't stay on for long.
Then decided to try the "old wives' tale" (meaning I don't know whether there's any sense behind it or not) of putting the battery in the freezer for a little while.
When I took it out and let it get back to normal temp, I plugged it in and after a while booted the Universal. It showed 40% battery, lower than it had ever gotten lately.
Recharged for a full day.
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I revived two batteries by intense cycling to work quite well again. They still black out at 20%, but only under extreme load (active gsm connection, active wifi, bluetooth and having to render a webpage).
But you should be able to discharge them below 25% at least. Else they're most certainly "too dead" already. And you should do at least 3-4 cycles.
My guess would be that the freezer finished your battery off. I don't understand how this method should work anyway, as lower temperatures reduce the time affected capacity loss. Actually the best place to store a LiPo or LIo battery is the fridge, charged about half the way.
But I also ordered two 3100mAh batteries. I'm using the Uni as a laptop replacement and the permanent wifi usage together with some cpu load and the backlight kicks the battery's ass quite hard.
In Germany the China 3100mAhs are overpriced and it's hard to get your hands on an external charger, but on Ebay.co.uk there's a seller that offers battery and charger as a bundle for about 15€. This will give me a solid 6000+mAh per day and should be enough to forget about virtually every setting related to power consumption
@ xplayer
If you haven't donw already, take a look at Ebay.com, co.uk etc and look if one of the sellers there will ship to kurdistan. You may be lucky
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If you want i can send you a battery xplayer, they're quite cheap here.
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Oh Thanx Rc-Blob....bt there is No way even to send me no addresses no posting in my country...am from kurdistan of Iraq...thanks again its looks like u sent me one...bt I even have brother in USA he can't send me...except if some one come from there so i have to wait...thanks buddy...
EvilJogga said:
I revived two batteries by intense cycling to work quite well again. They still black out at 20%, but only under extreme load (active gsm connection, active wifi, bluetooth and having to render a webpage).
But you should be able to discharge them below 25% at least. Else they're most certainly "too dead" already. And you should do at least 3-4 cycles.
My guess would be that the freezer finished your battery off. I don't understand how this method should work anyway, as lower temperatures reduce the time affected capacity loss. Actually the best place to store a LiPo or LIo battery is the fridge, charged about half the way.
But I also ordered two 3100mAh batteries. I'm using the Uni as a laptop replacement and the permanent wifi usage together with some cpu load and the backlight kicks the battery's ass quite hard.
In Germany the China 3100mAhs are overpriced and it's hard to get your hands on an external charger, but on Ebay.co.uk there's a seller that offers battery and charger as a bundle for about 15€. This will give me a solid 6000+mAh per day and should be enough to forget about virtually every setting related to power consumption
@ xplayer
If you haven't donw already, take a look at Ebay.com, co.uk etc and look if one of the sellers there will ship to kurdistan. You may be lucky
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hhh ok buddy you too for care....but there is realy no way i have to wait tell some one(my brothers friend) come from USA so he can get me one from there....its ok...i can use it yet as a normal mobile...i have some other devices for multimedia right now i can wait there is no any other ways....thanks...
Rc-Blob said:
If you want i can send you a battery xplayer, they're quite cheap here.
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Thanx for helping the guy,yo folks on xda are the best
Just to give you all the end of the story:
I ordered a regular replacement and a 3200 mAh one, and both have returned my Universal to a well-used life.
Thanks again to everyone helping me out here.
For you guys does the device switch off only when the battery is low, or any time. Cause I have this problem as well, and I was SURE that it wasn't a battery problem until I read this thread. The phone switches off intermittently, sometimes after only 3' talk time right after it had been charging for a full 8 hours! Also, usually if I let it sit there for a few hours I could then turn it back on and it would last a full day, so I knew it wasn't due to low battery.
The overheating theory would explain my problem, as, now that I think about it, all my seemingly-random shutdowns were during radio activity (making or receiving calls, especially when the phone was searching for signal, or wifi, which would almost instantly kill it). Strange that it overheats like this, most phone batteries simply run out of charge faster and faster until they can't hold a charge at all, but mine lasts almost as long as it always lasted even though it's 2 years old - unless I get the shutdown thing of course.
I asked this in another thread, but since this one is full of people who got replacement batteries I'll repeat my question here as well:
How much thicker than the standard battery are the 3100 and the 4200mAh ones?
I also got this problem recently, so I bought a new battery and although it's only a 1600mAh battery it runs great again
hey roodkapje ive got that same problem with my battery for my spv m5000 the bad news is that i cant get that batery in barbados so im all out to see
Hello everyone, My Note3 (SM900) is acting strangely battery-wise. It has been rooted for over a year and using custom recovery. On the last weekend I did an upgrade to Android L but the issue remains same.
After charging to %100 everything is OK until the battery hits around %70. After that point, while using phone (call or usage) signal meter shows that zero like image(no signal), phone gets freezed for a second or less, shows critical battery warning for just a moment and then it reboots. When it boots up, it says battery is at %0 or %1 and if I leave the phone alone, battery percentage starts to rise up to about where it was reset. By the way, if I try to use the phone after reboot, sometimes it just powers off just like when it does while empty battery.
I tried to reset battery stats according to a xda post but it didn't solved my issue, so I have reinstalled Android L. Issue still remains. I would buy a new battery or send the device to warranty but first I want to make sure it is related to hardware. Also I am not sure if Samsung will say device is unlocked so its out of warranty.
Any help is appriciated.
Flash another rom
That's a dead battery.
If a device shuts down at a decent percentage and then shows low percentage when it turns back on, it's time for a new battery.
Depending on where you're from you probably don't have a warranty on the battery anymore anyway, (It's mostly 6 months or a year), and it's easier and a whole lot cheaper to order a fresh battery than send your phone in for 2 weeks and deal with Samsung's KNOX policy and the mandatory research costs of around 70 quid. A new battery is about 25 quid.
ShadowLea said:
That's a dead battery.
If a device shuts down at a decent percentage and then shows low percentage when it turns back on, it's time for a new battery.
Depending on where you're from you probably don't have a warranty on the battery anymore anyway, (It's mostly 6 months or a year), and it's easier and a whole lot cheaper to order a fresh battery than send your phone in for 2 weeks and deal with Samsung's KNOX policy and the mandatory research costs of around 70 quid. A new battery is about 25 quid.
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thanks for the info. do you mind suggesting a high capacity battery instead of official samsung one?
@Kenny, i have already flashed a new rom.
erkanea said:
thanks for the info. do you mind suggesting a high capacity battery instead of official samsung one?
@Kenny, i have already flashed a new rom.
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If you don't mind the size increase (It about doubles the thickness), the ZeroLemon 10.000mAh is the ultimate way to go. That'll last you a week with intensive use. Thread with links here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2781990
If that's a bit too thick, your best bet is to nose through the Accessories board, there's quite a lot of options (And sadly I don't know them...). http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3/accessories
Hello,
I have a problem with battery, it drains normally until it reaches 40 or 30 percent, after that it suddenly start dropping rapidly until it shuts off in just a few minutes and acts like dead. I think this started happening after MM update, I've found several answers online but none of them is from an active Note 4 user but from tech specialist, suggesting it might be both a battery problem or a software problem too. Also, some people state that a new battery solved the problem, but also many of them bought the new OEM battery but the problem still exists even with the new battery.
Does any of the users on xda have the same issue after MM? I don't want to waste money for a new battery if it's not a battery problem. And again, I dont know if and when will Samsung release an update for this kind of bug if its a software thing... I would like to know if I'm alone with this and hear some thoughts on buying a new battery or no?
ljubimci said:
Hello,
I have a problem with battery, it drains normally until it reaches 40 or 30 percent, after that it suddenly start dropping rapidly until it shuts off in just a few minutes and acts like dead. I think this started happening after MM update, I've found several answers online but none of them is from an active Note 4 user but from tech specialist, suggesting it might be both a battery problem or a software problem too. Also, some people state that a new battery solved the problem, but also many of them bought the new OEM battery but the problem still exists even with the new battery.
Does any of the users on xda have the same issue after MM? I don't want to waste money for a new battery if it's not a battery problem. And again, I dont know if and when will Samsung release an update for this kind of bug if its a software thing... I would like to know if I'm alone with this and hear some thoughts on buying a new battery or no?
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It's your battery!
Your battery has deteriorated to a point that it only hold around 70% of its original capacity.
I have 4 original batteries which 2 of them are new & 2 of them are old, deteriorated ones.
One of them only holds around 70% like yours & one of them holds around 90%.
The new ones.....they works perfectly.
They holds around 99%.
Remember that lithium batteries deteriorates through time whether you use it or not.
Thanks for your opinion.
Once it also happened that my battery level was showing 50% and in the middle of browsing, my display went black, touch keys working and display is completely black. Even after a couple of restarts and cache wipe from recovery it remained black after booting, while the screen was working properly on the boot and showing samsung logos and all. I assumed there's a voltage problem, but I still was not sure is it a defective battery or system not reading the level of it properly. Never happened before with any of my previous Samsungs.
I've got almost same problem as @ljubimci.
The only problem is that I bought new battery (from samsung shop, 100% original not fake) and it dies even faster then my old one
The bigest drops are when i use high demanding aps, especially camera (4k recording) then it can drop from 60-70% to 0 in "0 minutes". This started to happen to me on MM, so i downgraded to LP (5.1.1) Nothing changed... And at the end i've changed my ROM to stock, unrooted 4.4.4 (ANK4). Problem still existing End the last biggest problem of them all is that i've lost somwhere my receipt, so i can't give samsung my battery back ;-(
I know that to some people changing ROM's help, to some new battery help, and it looks like to me only xda can help Is there a possibilty that new battery is damaged, or maybe there are any kind of fixes?
MarcinMilosz13 said:
I've got almost same problem as @ljubimci.
The only problem is that I bought new battery (from samsung shop, 100% original not fake) and it dies even faster then my old one
The bigest drops are when i use high demanding aps, especially camera (4k recording) then it can drop from 60-70% to 0 in "0 minutes". This started to happen to me on MM, so i downgraded to LP (5.1.1) Nothing changed... And at the end i've changed my ROM to stock, unrooted 4.4.4 (ANK4). Problem still existing End the last biggest problem of them all is that i've lost somwhere my receipt, so i can't give samsung my battery back ;-(
I know that to some people changing ROM's help, to some new battery help, and it looks like to me only xda can help Is there a possibilty that new battery is damaged, or maybe there are any kind of fixes?
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I think that you bought a faulty battery
Hi, guys. I recently bought a new battery for my 1+ two and after replacing it I've been having some problems. The battery life is actually lower than before and some times my phone suddenly turns off. Is there some way to calibrate or recalibrate a new battery or something I can do to fix this?
First of all, is your battery an official one or a third party battery? If its an official battery, check the manufacturing date. I'm not sure if oneplus is still producing/selling oneplus 2 batteries; it could be quite old. If its a third party battery, then I'd say its fake and of bad quality.
Yeah, I got one too. Manufacturing date is March 2017, and mine is also pretty bad. The turn-off thing happened once to me. But it really seems weaker than the original one. I thought that it needed time to go up to its full potential, but it's been 2 weeks and it's not good. Either we go back to the original battery or we go for a new phone.
Exactly the same problem. You are not alone. I went out yesterday and it just turned itself off and i couldn't turn it on . Didn't have a phone for 5 hours. And not only that MTP doesn't work (I'm not blaming the battery of course). It's not even showing as an unknown device in the device manager I wanted to perform a format, flashing an img via fastboot and I can't. #neveragain
Ok, so I bought a new battery because this one started to drop really fast. I got one from Ebay for $15 (last one was 30 from amazon) and it came really fast and visually it looks exactly like my original battery (the amazon one looked a bit different) only the manufacturing date is 03/2017. SO when I tried to remove the current battery, the connector got stuck to the socket. And I really tought that was going to be the end of this phone, but I removed it after some trying and put the new battery. Hope this one is better, if not I'll go for a new phone.
I recently bought a new battery from here:
https://www.replacebase.co.uk/oneplus-two-replacement-internal-battery-3300mah-fa-p597-original/
They claim its an 'OEM' battery, but its quite clearly a knockoff.
I also experienced some of the issues mentioned in this thread:
Phone powering off when fully charged (80-90% capacity) - and not powering on again until I plug into mains
Fast discharge - I'd struggle to get 12 hours out of a full charge, even with minimal screen-on time.
I'm not entirely sure whether the fast drain and phone powering off was related to the OS / Kernel I was using. For a long time I was using the lineage nightlies, recently I moved to Francos Kernel and also installed the flashable 'v3' zip from this thread: - https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-2/general/power-tweaks-snapdragon-810-devices-t3261790 - which definitely looks to have reduced the idle drain and overall drain quite a lot. Also my phone no longer turns off randomly.
Additionally:
Removed all widgets
Turned off ambient display, turned brightness down
Turned off all gestures
Prevented facebook app from running in background - https://www.xda-developers.com/runinbackgroundsetter-restrict-background-processes/
I need to switch back to my original battery to see if I get better performance than the 'OEM' battery I bought - as potentially the battery drain issues I was having before were purely down to the software / kernel
edit: - still getting phone shutdowns with the 'OEM' replacement battery. Currently using https://www.cmxlog.com/14.1/oneplus2/#lineage-14.1-20170831-nightly-oneplus2-signed.zip and Franco Kernal r11
This happened to me today while browsing facebook.
My phone suddenly shut down. While trying to turn on, it would get to booting screen and then shut down again. It didn't loop - I had to try each time manually.
I cleared cache and reset it to factory settings to no avail. BUT once I got back home and managed to connect it to a charger (the battery was at estimated 90% capacity), everything runs smoothly. No shutdowns, no freezes - despite the phone getting warm. I stressed it quite a lot and it seems to hold, so I don't think this is related to the "bigger" CPU.
Could it possibly be a battery issue? Could my device be misreading the actual capacity of the battery?
As a sidenote: it did crash/shutdown once I disconnected the charger, but only after 20 minutes or so when I uninstalled a running at that time app.
Any feedback will be greatly appreciated, so I have something to work with and replace stuff accordingly - and hopefully not the entire phone, as I love my 6P.
It seems like it has to be connected to the battery, as it has been now holding (presumably) at 56% charge for over 4 (!) hours. AccuBattery shows the same data as what the phone reads, and now it seems that my power drain is in negative without charging the phone.
Sadly, there are no original replacements available in my country. Only cheap 3550mAh knockoffs that sellers call OEM. They do have Huawei logo, but everyone knows that 3450mAh is the only original capacity (right?)
Update: Nearly 20 hours on the same displayed 56% capacity.
Any help? Please?
No, you are wrong. Those 3550mAh batterys are the brand new ones from huawei. Those are the newest revision of the battery. Dont get the 3450 ones. If the seller is really selling a 3450mAh one, then its probably one of the old ones with the known issues.
ncc8uetou5et said:
No, you are wrong. Those 3550mAh batterys are the brand new ones from huawei. Those are the newest revision of the battery. Dont get the 3450 ones. If the seller is really selling a 3450mAh one, then its probably one of the old ones with the known issues.
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Thanks for the heads-up. Just out of curiosity - how do you know that? When I contacted Huawei support, they did not answer me whether the 3550mah bat is a genuine product, or a farce. They avoided that question until they force-closed my support ticket without a proper answer.
First: Because i bought one and informed myself before. Then the new battery ran better then ever before. Even better then when the nexus 6p was new. Its the new batch that is better then ever before.
Second: you can read more about this topic in the correct forum thread about that: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78453441&postcount=1023
The thickness of the cable does not matter that much. Something you can care about is the weight. But this is something you can check when you got the new battery and also took the old one out.
To have longer battery life dont use the original charger. Use max a 5V 2A one. For example from a older Samsung mobile phone. Those have good electrical efficiency.
ncc8uetou5et said:
First: Because i bought one and informed myself before. Then the new battery ran better then ever before. Even better then when the nexus 6p was new. Its the new batch that is better then ever before.
Second: you can read more about this topic in the correct forum thread about that: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78453441&postcount=1023
The thickness of the cable does not matter that much. Something you can care about is the weight. But this is something you can check when you got the new battery and also took the old one out.
To have longer battery life dont use the original charger. Use max a 5V 2A one. For example from a older Samsung mobile phone. Those have good electrical efficiency.
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Thanks again.
For the 3 years I've bee using my 6P I never had battery life issues. In fact, even now the battery is holding well, despite the stats showing that my battery might be dying.
I came to this forum section looking for feedback on what could possibly be going on with my phone presenting the issues I am having. I am no mobile tech unlike many of guys around here. I might budge then and hope that the local Huawei repair center in my city will be of more help than the official Huawei support.