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Hey everyone,
Just wanted to ask a quick question regarding the firmware
I got my UK unlocked S5 last week and as soon as I set it up, an update came through, which is 100mb, the note regarding say "Improved performance", the update download, but I haven't installed it yet. Mainly because of a bad experience I had after updating my S3. I haven't come across any bugs since I've been using it, and I'm concerned that if I update, the battery will drain quicker, or perhaps cause an error in the recovery mode(these things happened to my S3 after updating to 4.3). So 2 main questions.
1. Has anyone here downloaded this 100mb software update their S5? If so, what differences did you notice?
2. Suppose I updated and wasn't happy with the new changes? Would it be possible to go back to the original firmware version that my phone came with when I took it out of the box, *without rooting my S5?
Hope some people on here can shed some light on these questions.
Thank you in advance*
1. It's just a system update. The phone is new there are bound to be updates as issues are ironed out
2. You can odin any firmware whenever you want
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MasterfulNinja said:
Has anyone here downloaded this 100mb software update their S5? If so, what differences did you notice?
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Your instincts are dead on. Updates may fix bugs or add a desireable feature. But just as often they introduce new bugs, break root or disable root exploits, break a few apps and add noxious DRM frameworks like the Knox qfuse warranty bit. They can seriously mess up a custom ROM and may depreciate features like MSC or car dock that may be important to you personally.
Updates cannot always be reverted. Try downgrading your Kitkat baseband to Jellybean and see what happens. Or try removing the Knox security bit after you take the update that introduced it. I disable automatic updates and wait to hear what early adopters find before upgrading.
Unfortunately you didn't tell us the all important version of your update. Or even tell us what your current firmware version and carrier are. Your update might be similar to the recent ATT /Verizon OTA adding the mixed blessing of reactivation lock. That is causing bootloops for some people with custom kermels. 4.4.3 is mostly bug fixes, with a few UI tweaks. And I believe 4.4.4 took aim at closing yet another open-SSL exploit and reverting some of the new 4.4.3 bugs.
No matter what an update intends to do, a few new bugs and unexpected conflicts usually turn up. A quick Google finds reports like this:
International Business Times said:
Issues Spotted for the Android 4.4.3 Kitkat
The Android 4.4.3 Kitkat system update is pretty much all about improving performances, strengthening stability and fixing a couple of bugs. However, it reels in a couple of issues experienced by users of Nexus devices that have already been upgraded to the latest update.
According to IT Pro, some of these issues include wi-fi problems, crashes and reboots and bugs found in apps. Google has not yet given any statement about how to deal with these issues nor has there been any word if these issues are only experienced by a handful.
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Your instincts are dead on. Updates may fix bugs or add a desireable feature. But just as often they introduce new bugs, break root or disable root exploits, break a few apps and add noxious DRM frameworks like the Knox qfuse warranty bit. They can seriously mess up a custom ROM and may depreciate features like MSC or car dock that may be important to you personally.
Updates cannot always be reverted. Try downgrading your Kitkat baseband to Jellybean and see what happens. Or try removing the Knox security bit after you take the update that introduced it. I disable automatic updates and wait to hear what early adopters find before upgrading.
Unfortunately you didn't tell us the all important version of your update. Or even tell us what your current firmware version and carrier are. Your update might be similar to the recent ATT /Verizon OTA adding the mixed blessing of reactivation lock. That is causing bootloops for some people with custom kermels. 4.4.3 is mostly bug fixes, with a few UI tweaks. And I believe 4.4.4 took aim at closing yet another open-SSL exploit and reverting some of the new 4.4.3 bugs.
No matter what an update intends to do, a few new bugs and unexpected conflicts usually turn up. A quick Google finds reports like this:
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Thank you very much for your detailed answers! That's exactly it! And I know from experience that updating firmware can cause a negative affect to the phone's performance. My iPhone 4S is still on iOS 5.1 but runs perfectly, while friends who updated their 4S to 7.1 experience freezes and heavy lag. Maybe companies do this deliberately, so people get frustrated and end up having to get the latest, more powerful model so the OS to run smoothly?
I do exactly the same, I always wait to see what people about an update before updating. The only difficulty with Android updates is that there seem to be so many different versions of updates. For example, when I researched the 100mb one for the S5,* various sites mentioned it, but others say the size of the update was 30mb, which were called "improved performance" I also heard about updates not always being able to be reverted to the previous version,* and also about Knox. So, you can see why I'm hesitant to update.
I know quite a bit about using Android, but have very limited knowledge regarding rooting and custom roms and so on. Also, after reading that rooting a phone incorrectly can turn it into a brick, I'm happy to just leave it as it is. I've attached a photo which shows my current firmware version, as well as other information. Also, as my S5 is unlocked, the only updates I'll receive will be from Samsung. I asked my carrier (T-Mobile UK) and that's what they told me. Only phones from bought from them include added apps that they put on, and I think they may also be able to tweak the updates received, by adding their own features.
Some more questions for you;
1. Do you recommend a factory reset after each software update?(I had to factory reset my S3 to stop the battery draining issue that 4.3 caused. But was wondering if it's best to factory reset after each and every update on Android devices)
2. I know you said that sometimes reverting back to a previous firmware isn't always possible, but can't using Odin with the correct firmware version work? Like Goldie mentioned in the above reply. And does changing the firmware via Odin require rooting the phone?
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Thank you very much for your detailed answers! That's exactly it! And I know from experience that updating firmware can cause a negative affect to the phone's performance. My iPhone 4S is still on iOS 5.1 but runs perfectly, while friends who updated their 4S to 7.1 experience freezes and heavy lag. Maybe companies do this deliberately, so people get frustrated and end up having to get the latest, more powerful model so the OS to run smoothly?
I do exactly the same, I always wait to see what people about an update before updating. The only difficulty with Android updates is that there seem to be so many different versions of updates. For example, when I researched the 100mb one for the S5,* various sites mentioned it, but others say the size of the update was 30mb, which were called "improved performance" I also heard about updates not always being able to be reverted to the previous version,* and also about Knox. So, you can see why I'm hesitant to update.
I know quite a bit about using Android, but have very limited knowledge regarding rooting and custom roms and so on. Also, after reading that rooting a phone incorrectly can turn it into a brick, I'm happy to just leave it as it is. I've attached a photo which shows my current firmware version, as well as other information. Also, as my S5 is unlocked, the only updates I'll receive will be from Samsung. I asked my carrier (T-Mobile UK) and that's what they told me. Only phones from bought from them include added apps that they put on, and I think they may also be able to tweak the updates received, by adding their own features.
Some more questions for you;
1. Do you recommend a factory reset after each software update?(I had to factory reset my S3 to stop the battery draining issue that 4.3 caused. But was wondering if it's best to factory reset after each and every update on Android devices)
2. I know you said that sometimes reverting back to a previous firmware isn't always possible, but can't using Odin with the correct firmware version work? Like Goldie mentioned in the above reply. And does changing the firmware via Odin require rooting the phone?
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1. Yes, a data factory reset after a update/flash a rom is remmended and gives best performance and stability;
2. I haven`t tried flashing a older rom itself but it should be possible i guess as this is not dowgrading like from 4.4.2 to 4.3. You could try it and if it fails there`s no harm done as you can flash your current rom back.
3. Installing a update or flash a rom usualy will kill root, though superSU Pro offers a survival mode to keep root after a update. You can also flash a rom with Mobile Odin Pro and enable everroot and the 2 other options so you will not loose root.
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I don't automatically accept updates. Someone more impulsive, or indifferent can be the guinea pig. That approach is effective in avoiding some unpleasant firmware surprises. Often an older firmware version runs smoother and is more stable as in your IOS 5 vs 7 example. Running an older firmware means that you may have unpatched security vulnerabilities but in practice this usually isn't a great or unmanageable problem. It is a point to keep in mind though.
Rooting isn't nearly as dangerous as many people think it is. Someone who can follow directions and avoid flashing firmware from a completely different device will rarely brick a phone. And even if you did, you can usually recover from the mishap. I mention this because one of the best ways to maintain a stable phone OS is to install a decent custom ROM (which typically requires root). And then most of the heavy lifting is done by the developer who has already removed bloat, restrictions and other objectionable pieces. And monitors and releases tailored and usually stable updates for those using his ROM.
Android updates vary in size because they are screened by carriers, each deciding what update components and /or custom bits goes into their version of the update. More restrictive Apple manages all IOS updates centrally from their California servers i.e. they don't relinquish direct control to carriers. Still it isn't hard to find articles giving a good summary of what issues android firmware updates are addressing.
Some people believe that you should accept every update and as soon as it becomes available. I don't see a compelling need to update unless you are trying to resolve a current bug or are enticed by a specific new feature. I don't recommend a factory reset after each update. I do recommend that you clear the system cache from recovery mode though. A factory reset usually won't benefit you but it is time consuming to reinstall and reconfigure your phone.
Having said that, if you have a specific issue, such as the 4.3 battery drain then you have a rationale for doing so. But I have to say that I experienced the same S3 issue and clearing the cache was sufficient to stabilize the phone for me. Some phones will develop corruption or configuration conflicts over time, especially if you install a lot of apps. Or if you have a specific app that makes a mess of your file system. With that in mind, I do do a factory reset about once a year to clean up the phone, the same as I would do for a laptop OS. But I don't see a reason to do it after every update.
Odin is a Samsung product, complete with DRM. So no, you cannot flash anything with Odin. You can flash most stock firmware and in particular Odin will look for OEM signatures if you try to change the bootloader or modem. In the case of downgrading, it is the Knox qfuse on your phone that will cause the Odin flash to fail. If you try to downgrade you end up with a partial flash which can soft brick your phone and trip the Knox flag.
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Hi to all,
Ive been reading a lot this forum, and i find the chinese version more complete, so my question is simple.
¿is it possible to flash a chinese rom? I like chinese features, and i read it gets more updates.
My only worries are warranty and to lose european radio bands.
Any help?
Give it a try and let us know how you get on....;0)
Thanks for your message sheridan2000,
I'm a newie, until now I only had a nexus 4, wich have a huge community, I don't know how to do if for this new phone I just received, and I'm worried about the warranty, about brick if and if is possible get back to EU flash rom.
My abilities are limited, and with my lack of knowledge I feel is too risky.
If some one with experience can bring some information would be great.
Regards,
Just kidding fella, think at this early stage in developement best not to flash any roms not intended for the EU version as may mess up your phone. When we get a fully working ROOT and TWRP then there will be some safety in doing so....
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Just kidding fella, think at this early stage in developement best not to flash any roms not intended for the EU version as may mess up your phone. When we get a fully working ROOT and TWRP then there will be some safety in doing so....
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Agree with him! When we get a stable and well working custom recovery, I think people will mod the Honor 7 more.
Any why do you want the chinese version? I tried a chinese MIUI rom on my Honor 6, and the all the chinese stuff drove me crazy so I had to roll back to a normal EU rom...
kjettern said:
Agree with him! When we get a stable and well working custom recovery, I think people will mod the Honor 7 more.
Any why do you want the chinese version? I tried a chinese MIUI rom on my Honor 6, and the all the chinese stuff drove me crazy so I had to roll back to a normal EU rom...
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Hi!
I feel like chinese rom is more "updated" I think european version is more "conservative" as they might try to secure the user experience. Chinese rom gets much more updates, Ive read something about huawei idchanger; Chinese rom also have more options like recording call, navigation shortcuts, youtube bloat window and download...
In nexus we could chose wich part of the rom we would like to flash, is that posible in this huawei? What I have thought is what about flash the Chinese rom, without flash the radio baseband in order to keep the compatibility with european LTE bands. Any idea??
juanrasmd said:
Thanks for your message sheridan2000,
I'm a newie, until now I only had a nexus 4, wich have a huge community, I don't know how to do if for this new phone I just received, and I'm worried about the warranty, about brick if and if is possible get back to EU flash rom.
My abilities are limited, and with my lack of knowledge I feel is too risky.
If some one with experience can bring some information would be great.
Regards,
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I did this on my european honor 6 plus. DO NOT DO IT.
No way to get back to european firmware. But was probably because officallollipop was not out yet. More hassle than it was worth. Voided warrenty also. DO NOT ATTEMPT
Thank you for your usefull feedback.
I hope soon someone finds a safe way to run and revert back this kind of test.
Regards,
nazzy90 said:
I did this on my european honor 6 plus. DO NOT DO IT.
No way to get back to european firmware. But was probably because officallollipop was not out yet. More hassle than it was worth. Voided warrenty also. DO NOT ATTEMPT
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One question: you had the complete nandroid backup and you couldn't flashed it after experimenting with the Chinese ROM over EU? How far did you get then or where did you stuck when trying to reverse?
I never had EU Honor 7, but my personal opinion is that before playing with different roms, you should be perfectly aware what are you doing and what do you want to achieve. Changing hardware is out of the question and probably is the same with drivers. At least to the point when a real custom rom appears. As I mentioned there are some modifications of Chinese roms already available as a flashable zip, which don't alternate baseband or kernel in general, but they are customized to particular roms. Flashing any of them on EU rom could be safe only if you can get back in the case anything goes wrong. Otherwise, if you just need a particular system application, you can always try to push it to the system with appropriate file manager and stay safe as long as you have the nandroid backup.
Nandroid backup did not work through twrp.
Chinese rom was fine but was a developer edition.
Phone can not go back to kitkat from chinese lollipop.
Tried offical downgrade package. Did not work.
Tried back up many times. Did not work.
Chinese emui site takes hours to load and most of the time fails through multiple browsers.
Dont waste your life.
I was still in my 14 day return so exhange by my network to honor 7
Never messing with a huawei phone again where there is little to no support
i had tried chinese rom PLK-U00 which is DUAL 4G as per claim by Honor China, what i do is i extract out the boot&recovery&system&cache&userdata img from the update.app (using huawei tools) then flash it under fastboot, it will boot & load to "Android is upgrading" but after the progress finish it restart itself and repeat the "android is upgrading" progress
I've tried the same with 5.1.1 ply-tl01h rom. I get the bootloop with boot and system flashed and almost get to the home screen using the boot from the 121 firmware
Hi,
I hope you could find a way. I know there are chinese roms available, but hard to find and understand, we might ask them in english then they might help us.
I hope you could fix your phone
Hello Guys,
I bought my Honor 7 yesterday, and this is the model number -- PLK-L01C636B120
I tried to update to B121 or B130 or 140, All of them failed.
As I read my device model is Malaysia not Europe, So Can I flash Europe Stock ROM and flash all the updates?
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Can I flash Europe Stock ROM and flash all the updates?
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NO i don’t think so! You should do not do that, because there are some differences between both firmwares. Pre-defaults for the mobil-net (modem drivers) ; LTE specifications; maybe some functions like recording during a call etc.
Edit: @Muhammad Rihawi have tried it and it seems to work. But i dont’t recommand it anyway!
non-toxic said:
NO i don’t think so! You should do not do that, because there are some differences between both firmwares. Pre-defaults for the mobil-net (modem drivers) ; LTE specifications; maybe some functions like recording during a call etc.
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Actually I did it already , and now I'm using Marshmallow Europe B313 BETA.
hello,
could anyone advise me on how to flash Chinese custom rom coz currently my unit is also chinese PLK-AL10C92B190....
its possible with Honor multi-tool. Debrand your phone. But 64 to 32 and 32 to 64 not tested. I have PLK-L01 and I debrand it to PLK-TL01H. I recieved OTA and installing it well.
Muhammad Rihawi said:
Actually I did it already , and now I'm using Marshmallow Europe B313 BETA.
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how’s about NFC?
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how’s about NFC?
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NFC has only PLK-AL10 (64 gb version)
Hello I'm having an issue with my Note 4, it is a device I love but I feel I may be forced into changing to a cheap cheap phone
All of a sudden my smartphone randomly restarts and gets stuck in an everlasting bootloop, I have to remove battery to be able to shut it down and have it boot up.
It is all stock apart from the updates Samsung asks every now and then.
I'm a scrub and this matter
The battery is relatively new, original working for under a year. 7 months maybe.
This is my phone, there are many like it but this one is mine!
Thanks in advance for any advice given
Eki
Problem solved my friends,
my note4 is pretty much alive, battery died after 7 months. A new one sorted it out.
Thanks all
Hi to everybody, I bought a sm-n910F on ebay from a 100% positive feedback seller. First time I turned on the device I realise it was slow. After I upgraded it began to reset automatically as many of you wrote in this thread. I wondered, if I change the stock rom with a custom one, will I solve this issue? Or if I flash a marshmallow firmware before this last update will I solve the issue? Another question still, can I flash a lollipop firmware if I find? Sorry for all these questions and thanks in advance. I look forward your answers.
silverfox2o1396 said:
Hi to everybody, I bought a sm-n910F on ebay from a 100% positive feedback seller. First time I turned on the device I realise it was slow. After I upgraded it began to reset automatically as many of you wrote in this thread. I wondered, if I change the stock rom with a custom one, will I solve this issue? Or if I flash a marshmallow firmware before this last update will I solve the issue? Another question still, can I flash a lollipop firmware if I find? Sorry for all these questions and thanks in advance. I look forward your answers.
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Hello!
Please consider opening a new thread next time if you are facing problems or other thing you want to "share" on XDA. I'm not a moderator, but I think it's useful for us all to keep this forum clean and clear.
But let's go to your problem.
In principle, I guess that flashing any firmware made for your phone will resolve your issue. No matter if it's a custom ROM, the stock ROM or any other ROM no matter its Android version. But keep in mind that it has to be the proper firmware for your device! (Otherwise you will most likely soft brick it)
Hello everyone
I'm new member
I have moto x style never unlocked or modified and without facing any issues with my device since the first date of purchase but who knows!!!!
for this reason I would like to ask you guys if there any software can repair device OS if something goes wrong one day (as SW issue not HW one)
Thank you for any help you can provide.
We all wish there was... there is a Software Repair Assistant for Verizon Motorola devices (Droids) but otherwise no such software exists that I am aware of. You can always just flash your factory image via fastboot if it is available, but as of today the latest versions are not available and we are one version behind.
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We all wish there was... there is a Software Repair Assistant for Verizon Motorola devices (Droids) but otherwise no such software exists that I am aware of. You can always just flash your factory image via fastboot if it is available, but as of today the latest versions are not available and we are one version behind.
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So only way by using fastboot with correct image .and does it works with locked bootloader ? Any risks ?
Thakisgr said:
So only way by using fastboot with correct image .and does it works with locked bootloader ? Any risks ?
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Yes... Only way. And it works with a locked bootloader as long as you are not downgrading, same or higher version only.
The problem is when these "software" problem occurs, it's typically at an OTA update, and we don't usually get new firmware images for 3-4 months after they are released
But this isn't unusual for manufacturers, few except the big "brands" have any way to recover and it's spotty at best.
acejavelin said:
Yes... Only way. And it works with a locked bootloader as long as you are not downgrading, same or higher version only.
The problem is when these "software" problem occurs, it's typically at an OTA update, and we don't usually get new firmware images for 3-4 months after they are released
But this isn't unusual for manufacturers, few except the big "brands" have any way to recover and it's spotty at best.
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I really appreciate your time answering all my questions!!!:good:
Hello !
I have some troubles with the update system of my phone (L31C432B161).
I flashed a custom rom when I was in android 7.0 and I wanted to come back in rom stock. I did a wrong thing and now, I'm locked in B161.
If I try to update it, the version shows beta test key or something like that and my phone has a lot of bugs.
I need help please ! :/
If you have the warranty, go to the official HUAWEI service and tell them that you never received any sort of update (of course lie.). If it works, they will update your phone
Resolved ! They changed my phone.
BreezX said:
Resolved ! They changed my phone.
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Told ya
Huawei will always fix phones when it comes to faulty updates/non-updatable phones.