I read both on Twitter and online about Palm Pre's "WebOS" being based on the same kernel or structure that is designed for Android/G1.
Is anybody in the works on seeing if its possible to run WebOS on a G1?
Note: I guess I'm asking to not to replace the Android but to say that if its possible and that it can be done.
webOS runs on the Linux kernel, but nothing else beyond that is open source. How are you going to port an operating system to a different microarchitecture and hardware specification without its source code? Answer: you're probably not.
Why would you want to though?
It may be cute, but the platform has yet to prove itself. Developers are going to be cautious about developing for that platform due to how palm has so severely stagnated over the last few years. Unless the platform shows signs of really catching on, I would just ignore it.
How come they got Android 2.3 on the iphone but noone can get ios on android hardware?
I would think at least partly it's due to lack of trying (doubt many Android developers would want to use iOS)... but the thing is, Android is designed to run on a lot of different hardware, whereas iOS runs on specific hardware, so they can do lots of specific checks if they really wanted to to make sure it's running on a real iPhone. This is just my educated guess of course.
The iPhone currently has a handful of carriers and only 4 hardware configurations. I'd imagine that a fair amount of information about the internals gets leaked as well.
I am unaware of the specifics of android development on that platform, but the biggest advantage their developer community has is less overlap and redundancy in their efforts (lack of fragmentation). Also note that Android is open source-IOS is not, so we only tend to see iPhone OS installed on Apple hardware.
I also have my suspicions that their grass isn't really all that green. Personally, I tend to favor fragmentation, as it fosters innovation(but YMMV!).
You didn't ask my opinion though
Cheers.
Android is open source so it can be adapted to almost all hardware. iOS is closed source so to adapt it you'd have to reverse engineer. And that is illegal. It's that simple. And been asked before. You should try searching, reading and thinking, it's wonderfull, doesn't hurt and you might learn something.
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The reason's pretty simple. In order to effectively port an OS to any particular device, you really need access to the source code.
On the one hand, with Android, Google literally gives the source code away. You know that AOSP term everyone throws around? It stands for Android Open Source Project, and is the website (source.android.com) where anyone can download the full Android source code and do basically whatever they want with it.
Then, there's Apple. They guard iOS' source code vigilantly and litigiously -- I mean, their over-protectiveness even extends to what apps they'll let run on (non-jailbroken) phones. So needless to say, they don't make it easy to take their OS apart and port it to other devices. Really, they make it as hard as possible.
Great answers guys thanx!
Yeah! Thanks for the answer Ik Desire! You Rock!
I just got my Adam on Friday, and have been enjoying it without having done anything too hackish to it yet (thanks largely in part to the Amazon appstore).
I'm not really sold on the Eden UI system yet - it still feels a little bit buggy and not fully baked to me, but it may have potential. But if it were open source, any of us could work to improve it, and I do remember it being mentioned on the blog that the NI software would be open sourced (correct me if I'm wrong, hard to understand precisely what is meant sometimes).
notionink.wordpress.com/2011/01/28/more-updates (can't post outside links as a new member)
Source for other Notion Ink’s Application: If you are looking for the code for any specific apps on the Adam, you can directly write to developers at notionink dot com and they will add you in the priority list! All the softwares developed by Notion Ink are open source and will be shared with the community soon. As far as the SDK goes, we are migrating from 2.2-2.3 to Honeycomb and once the platform is stable, will be shared with the developers.
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Given that the Honeycomb source isn't to be released any time soon, I'm curious what people's opinions are about whether Eden/NI software could make a viable open-source alternative to Honeycomb?
Would you prefer an open-source Eden/Froyo/Gingerbread rom over a Honeycomb rom (if the Honeycomb source is closed)?
Or would you rater drop Eden and stick to Android roms? (whether they be Honeycomb or not)
Would you like to see Eden ported over to more tablets? (which may or may not support Honeycomb any time soon) Do you think it could be an effective Honeycomb alternative for other tablets?
EDIT: Had to shorten the poll answers, here's what I'm asking:
Honeycomb, even if it can't be rooted/customized - you just want Honeycomb at all costs and don't care about its hack potential
Honeycomb, rooted and customized - you want Honeycomb, but only if it can be effectively hacked/customized
I'd rather stick to an Eden/AOSP-based system - you want maximum flexibility and see Eden/latest android source as a viable alternative, or may be a purist in terms of open source
Drop Eden, latest open-source Android - you don't care for Eden, but do want your system open source
At the moment Eden sucks and gives no added value in my opinion.
Nevertheless I would like to see a Honeycomb Eden version.
If I should choose right here and know I would choose Honeycomb (and of course it can be customized and rooted - its a bit foolish to think that this will not happen...)
@rolliradi8 : +1
I really don't like eden, loving Beast or VEGAn ROMs thought..
But honeycomb would be super awesome!
Allthough I am also really excited for trying Mad Murdock's CM7 ROM..
So, it's pretty much begun. We have the Ouya, the Gamestick's coming up and Nvidia is poised on the brink of releasing the Shield. It's looking a lot of companies are eager to take advantage of the open-sourced nature of the Android and, you know, make consoles out it. However, I'm kind curious: what's the independent hardware development scene like?
I'm a writer for IDG's Tech Hive, which is a sister site to PC World and Mac World, and I'm looking to do a story about independent hardware development. Is there anyone building their own console? Do you know of anyone who is rigging together something separate from what is currently available on the market?
(Also curious if anyone's working on hacking the Ouya and making it more efficient and so forth, but that's another thing entirely.)
If anyone's interested in helping out or even just weighing in on the topic, feel free to poke me!
-C
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So, it's pretty much begun. We have the Ouya, the Gamestick's coming up and Nvidia is poised on the brink of releasing the Shield. It's looking a lot of companies are eager to take advantage of the open-sourced nature of the Android and, you know, make consoles out it. However, I'm kind curious: what's the independent hardware development scene like?
I'm a writer for IDG's Tech Hive, which is a sister site to PC World and Mac World, and I'm looking to do a story about independent hardware development. Is there anyone building their own console? Do you know of anyone who is rigging together something separate from what is currently available on the market?
(Also curious if anyone's working on hacking the Ouya and making it more efficient and so forth, but that's another thing entirely.)
If anyone's interested in helping out or even just weighing in on the topic, feel free to poke me!
-C
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I'm working on something similar. I am not building the hardware from scratch; I'm using "old" smartphones.
corvaxmuzzy said:
I'm working on something similar. I am not building the hardware from scratch; I'm using "old" smartphones.
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Id be interested in hearing how you're accomplishing this.
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cassandrakhaw said:
So, it's pretty much begun. We have the Ouya, the Gamestick's coming up and Nvidia is poised on the brink of releasing the Shield. It's looking a lot of companies are eager to take advantage of the open-sourced nature of the Android and, you know, make consoles out it. However, I'm kind curious: what's the independent hardware development scene like?
I'm a writer for IDG's Tech Hive, which is a sister site to PC World and Mac World, and I'm looking to do a story about independent hardware development. Is there anyone building their own console? Do you know of anyone who is rigging together something separate from what is currently available on the market?
(Also curious if anyone's working on hacking the Ouya and making it more efficient and so forth, but that's another thing entirely.)
If anyone's interested in helping out or even just weighing in on the topic, feel free to poke me!
-C
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Just read somewhere else today about Nvidia Shield, I suppose gaming on android would be an eventuality. what's not to like? low power, high resolution graphics, games played on the phone could be played on the big screen.
I just found the shield TV was an officially supported device by Remix os.
there is the ROM http://www.jide.com/remixos/devices/shieldtv
it seems it is lollipop based and have no hardware acceleration yet.
did someone tried it and is willing to give a feedback?
EDIT: I didn't read the post properly, response removed.
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EDIT: I didn't read the post properly, response removed.
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it is OK,i t was entertaining still
what type to use ,16G? 500G HDD?
leasing said:
what type to use ,16G? 500G HDD?
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same image for both.but 500gb shield will be a lots slower to install.
(formating)
This remix os version is for the Shield Pro, it's lollipop based so if anyone's on marshmallow and want to try it, you will have to downgrade in order to install
It would be amazing if we could dual boot this ROM (on Lollipop) and the stock Android TV on Marshmallow.maybe with AROMA and
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It would be amazing if we could dual boot this ROM (on Lollipop) and the stock Android TV on Marshmallow.maybe with AROMA and
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so true,to bad twrp does not support multiple rom on this device.
that suck.
in the other hand jide just leaked some info about remix 3.0 marshmallow.
that will be released very soon.
Remix is still a little glitchy & controller does not work wirelessly. Every other time Play Store is opened one must uninstall Play update, can be solved by installing the latest Play Store apk
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Remix is still a little glitchy & controller does not work wirelessly. Every other time Play Store is opened one must uninstall Play update, can be solved by installing the latest Play Store apk
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Ho OK thx. Yes the controller and play store was expected.it is not the first that have this problem (Zulu roms)
Nvidia need to release the driver,they will make less holding back the controller wifi driver,as all it seems is a vain attempt to promote geforce now sales and percentage earnings via play store etc on shield tv.The chances are the units would fly off the shelves far faster than they ever would make more selling the games in a cloud subscription gaming service by miles,I'd see it as it would gain us notoriety for the hardware if I were a boss there,and that's everything brand recognition trumps trying to sell subscriptions to a sparse game library,and android tv os is just so young and uninteresting to some developers I am picturing it,this is why they are not rebuilding or porting current libraries of apps and games to the os.They probably see it more rewarding to keep with the standard os than plug money into an unknown variable,unless of course the fault lies with googles turn around on verifying the allready ported apps and games,this confuses me why is android tv os so sparse on apps and games and where does the blame lie in versions of apps and games for the android tv os lie anyway google and or the developer can someone elaborate where the blame goes please as I am confused what the problem is?
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Nvidia need to release the driver,they will make less holding back the controller wifi driver,as all it seems is a vain attempt to promote geforce now sales and percentage earnings via play store etc on shield tv.The chances are the units would fly off the shelves far faster than they ever would make more selling the games in a cloud subscription gaming service by miles,I'd see it as it would gain us notoriety for the hardware if I were a boss there,and that's everything brand recognition trumps trying to sell subscriptions to a sparse game library,and android tv os is just so young and uninteresting to some developers I am picturing it,this is why they are not rebuilding or porting current libraries of apps and games to the os.They probably see it more rewarding to keep with the standard os than plug money into an unknown variable,unless of course the fault lies with googles turn around on verifying the allready ported apps and games,this confuses me why is android tv os so sparse on apps and games and where does the blame lie in versions of apps and games for the android tv os lie anyway google and or the developer can someone elaborate where the blame goes please as I am confused what the problem is?
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I assume for the play store the problem is from Google..
they offer different licencing for basically the same thing as Android..
but they have split Android and Android TV only because they wanted to earn more money.
splitting the licencing mean 2 time the money for them...
protecting a different experiences for living rooms.
for streaming stuff and controller you can blame nvidia for promoting their proprietary services and technology.
the cloud,the streaming and their "high "bandwidth "controllers.
Ah now I get it it's due to greed,make money by calling the same thing a different thing by slapping a launcher in it and saying yeah you can list your game in android tv os as well,but you know it's a different thing to normal android os because it's tv os! But actually it's android with a different shell they charge you again for just to list in the same play store for it,that's what people where i live call pure skank lol :good: thumbs up goolge no wonder everyone isn't jumping on the development side of this cash cow all at once lmfao,why the heck would you discourage before encourage if the aim is profit here???But thanks for this insight I never realized they'd do such a thing,it's theoretically a bit unbecoming of a open source os owner to start cashing in twice a time in my opinion it's a little bit cruel,maybe if they'd say earn your 1st year before paying a fee that would be better for anyone coming in as a first time publisher of apps or games,instead of being told give me your money then I'll list your game or app,who cares if it's not affordable because all your time and effort is spent making the app or game come to fruition for the purpose of then publishing it.Or even better incentives is 1 years free publishing and then a fee is paid regardless if you take it down or not,it gives a push to put good stuff up and not lowsy stuff otherwise you make nothing to pay with in the first year,why not work it door swings both ways like that,or a 2 year grace period is even better,it would mean better quality product is likely made,and money for the developer to afford to pay is highly likely at that stage.
I almost made a new topic for this, but decided to revive this one instead. Jide just released v3 of Remix OS for the Google Pixel C...... which has the same CPU/GPU as the Shield TV does, so theoretically this should make it a hell of a lot easier to get it working on the Shield.
I've been using it on my Pixel for about the past 48 hours and I absolutely love it. I'm trying to re-arrange my PCs in my apartment and I'm looking for a high performance, low power PC to put in my bedroom as a replacement for my Steam Machine (currently streaming stuff from it to the Shield in the living room), and the Shield with Remix would be the perfect candidate since I already know it suits my needs and is really snappy.
The question is, who's up to the challenge to get it to work? I know nothing about Android development, but I'm more than willing to help with development and provide anything necessary off of the Pixel, which shouldn't be a problem since I have Remix OS currently rooted
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The question is, who's up to the challenge to get it to work? I know nothing about Android development, but I'm more than willing to help with development and provide anything necessary off of the Pixel, which shouldn't be a problem since I have Remix OS currently rooted
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I guess they will release a V3 to Shield TV soon, so I dont think thats neccessary.
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I assume for the play store the problem is from Google..
they offer different licencing for basically the same thing as Android..
but they have split Android and Android TV only because they wanted to earn more money.
splitting the licencing mean 2 time the money for them...
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I dont understand? All my apps that I bought originally for standard Android devices work fine without having to rerpurchase. This even goes for apps I bought a few years back. I dont see Google splittimg licencing between devices, rather the opposite. And thats why Im perfectly happy with my Shield TV. If you look at Apple, they did what you talk about, releasing phone / tablet and I guess ATV versions of apps making customers have to repurchase.
Remix os uses a different license than android
They still have to release the source code, the kernel is Linux and the OS is Android, both are open source and licensed under the GPL so by law they have to release the source code of at least that, which is the major part we need. Also Nvidias drivers and source code are released so what are we really missing? I just read the article on XDA and its talking about Android-X86, but this is Android ARM, which is a different beast. Jide mentioned that they hosted their code on github, but surprise, surprise its empty https://github.com/jide-opensource. This seems to be their real repository: https://github.com/JideTechnology
Also I wouldn't be too sure of them releasing it for the shield since they already sell their own desktop/media center device.
Edit: looks like I was wrong Android is licensed under the Apache license, which means that a company can take the source code, modify it and change the license but the still have to release the code for the unmodified parts
Still me thinks it shouldn't be too difficult since they're using the same CPU and GPU, but the pixel is essentially a Chromebook and the shield has no screen or touch input, just an HDMI port, so it may be way more difficult than I think.
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I guess they will release a V3 to Shield TV soon, so I dont think thats neccessary.
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I dont understand? All my apps that I bought originally for standard Android devices work fine without having to rerpurchase. This even goes for apps I bought a few years back. I dont see Google splittimg licencing between devices, rather the opposite. And thats why Im perfectly happy with my Shield TV. If you look at Apple, they did what you talk about, releasing phone / tablet and I guess ATV versions of apps making customers have to repurchase.
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The licensing is on dev side.not on customer side.
this would be amazing