Ok, I want to start out by mentioning; some of you may or may not know about a project I've been working on since March 2013, the Android Desktop OS which is now in version 2.0.
Can test the interactive demo online here: http://invis.io/95IKINK4
I've been on this project by myself, putting together ideas and re-imagining how Android should be on a desktop. Now, I know that Android x86 does exist, so please don't announce that android on the pc has been done already, because it's not how I envision any of this.
I think also they have started this as a hobby with no real distinct intention, I started my idea to give Android a very bright future. I believe as well as many others who are excited for this project that Android could be massive on desktops.
Yes, I know that it is written with a Linux kernel and it is aimed for mobile, but my goal is to change that. I want it to be able to run all the apps from the Market Place in it's normal fashion without anything complicated, but I want the core of this, the heart of this to be written for Intel hardware for starters.
I know there are some guys wrote some Intel hardware code for android, but I don't think they did it to be anything major. I want to take this to a whole new level, I really want this project out there, I want it to stand out.
Why does Windows, Mac and Ubuntu get pc and mobile counterparts but not Android? I feel personally it isn't quite fair and that Android should have its potential shown.
For those of you who have never seen my project, you can check it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2214161
Everything is still subject to change, but overall I am happy with what I have. I want to advance on Android without steering away from the heart of it. There are more ideas I have, but have been short on time with doing what I want.
Now here comes the icing.
I am stuck at a crossroad; I need a team, I need to find those who are just as interested in this as I am, but I don't know where to find them. I've posted this in numerous places without much coming back as far as coders.
I've been told to do a kickstarter, but I don't know the first thing about it, how to find the people, manage the money, who to trust, bring this to completion etc... So this brings me back to square one, where I just continue to develop this idea in it's visual form, because I don't know what to do.
I have been dedicated to making this happen for a long time, this can and will be a long term career, but I need the man power, those who believe in this. But where to find it? I figured since the internet is vast people would come at least wanting to give it a crack, but it has been dry out here.
I am open to feedback and really hope this can get off the ground.
BREAKING NEWS
Get the preview as an OTA update now.
See this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-tv/general/android-5-onboard-t3181226
Go get some.
https://developer.amazon.com/public...10/Announcing-the-Fire-OS-5-Developer-Preview
Any info if it can be rooted after the update?
Only for 2014 Fire HD tablets, unless you happen to have a 5.0 Fire TV image that isn't available on the Amazon developer preview page.
Claude Koch said:
Go get some.
https://developer.amazon.com/public...10/Announcing-the-Fire-OS-5-Developer-Preview
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This is an extremely long way off for the Fire TV. Look at it like this, the Fire Tabets have been running KitKat for 8 months while the Fire TV is running Jellybean, so if it has been this long and the Fire TV still has not been upgraded to KitKat, how long do you think it will take to upgrade the Fire TV to Lollipop after the Fire Tablets gets upgraded to it? I'll answer for you, around a year after the Fire Tablet gets Fire OS 5 the Fire TV will get it. Now there is probably gonna be people that hate that I say that, but they are still runnning Jellybean while the Fire Tabet is running Kitkat so that should tell em that Fire OS 5 is a long tme away for the Fire TV.
To be honest, right now I would settle for Android 4.4 on my Fire TV, cause I would love to use all my apps again. Several apps that I use now require Android 4.4 so it woud be nice for Amazon to upgrade the Fire TV to Android 4.4. Whats the holdup Amazon, we need Android 4..4. Don't treat the Fire TV like a hobby.
porkenhimer said:
This is an extremely long way off for the Fire TV. Look at it like this, the Fire Tabets have been running KitKat for 8 months while the Fire TV is running Jellybean, so if it has been this long and the Fire TV still has not been upgraded to KitKat, how long do you think it will take to upgrade the Fire TV to Lollipop after the Fire Tablets gets upgraded to it? I'll answer for you, around a year after the Fire Tablet gets Fire OS 5 the Fire TV will get it. Now there is probably gonna be people that hate that I say that, but they are still runnning Jellybean while the Fire Tabet is running Kitkat so that should tell em that Fire OS 5 is a long tme away for the Fire TV.
To be honest, right now I would settle for Android 4.4 on my Fire TV, cause I would love to use all my apps again. Several apps that I use now require Android 4.4 so it woud be nice for Amazon to upgrade the Fire TV to Android 4.4. Whats the holdup Amazon, we need Android 4..4. Don't treat the Fire TV like a hobby.
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You don't know that,
Very possible that the FireTV will get FireOS 5 this year....as Android5 makes a lot of sense for a media center device.
freezer2k said:
You don't know that,
Very possible that the FireTV will get FireOS 5 this year....as Android5 makes a lot of sense for a media center device.
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I agree its a good possibility and choices companies made in the past is not always a clear indication they'll stay consistent. When the kindle fire hd came out for most consumers (not necessarily xda members) you had fewer choices for tablets--pay a lot for a high end iPad or galaxy OR get a nice midranges device like kfhd for considerably cheaper (or buy a really crappy generic running android). Not real competition.
For settop boxes it was even worse. But of course all of that's changed and now the bar has been raised forcing apple, and maybe soon roku, to come up with something better. I also wouldn't think it logical that we'll get kk before lollipop. I have a macbook from 2010 that didn't get the mountain lion update but since then has gotten mavericks and then Yosemite. I realize it might not be exactly the same but just a thought that its not unprecedented for a company to do that.
freezer2k said:
You don't know that,
Very possible that the FireTV will get FireOS 5 this year....as Android5 makes a lot of sense for a media center device.
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Yes it could get it this year, but using the past as an indicator its not likely. Android in general makes a lot of sense to use as a media center, but the Fire TV is not a media center in Amazons eyes. Not one time has Amazon described it as a media center or even used the words media center anywhere when describimg the Fire TV. We can use it as a media center, but the Fire TV has many uses. Just because you see Android 5.0 as a better version to use as a media center does not mean Amazon is going to rush it to us. Android 4.4 would aslo be better for the Fire TV, but Amazon has not even gave us that yet. Don't get mad just because you can't face facts. It is extremy clear that Amazon sets a pecking order for their devices and the Fire TV is at the bottom of the pecking order in terms of upgrades. Fire Tablet, running KitKat for 8 months, Fire Phone, running KitKat for 2 months, Fire TV, still stuck with Jellybean. That should tell you something. Look at how many updates we have gotten for the Fire TV and not one time has Amazon mentioned upgrading to KitKat, but they did release statemnts saying when KitKat was coming to the Fire Tablet and Fire Phone, which was vague, but they still released statements saying KitKat was coming to those devices. Amazon has been beyond great at giving us firmware updates for the Fire TV, but not so great when it comes to Android verson upgrades.
Based on the fire TV still running Android 4.2.2 it is not likely that it will be running Android 5.0 by the end of this year. Do you not realize that the Fire Tablet has been running KitKat for 8 months and Amazon still has not even upgraded the Fire TV to KitKat? Not only that, but Amazon released a statement saying in September of last year saying the Fire Phone would be getting KitKat early 2015 and it did not come for another 7 months. Like a wise man once said, if you wanna know whats going to happen in the future look at the past. Companies are creatures of habit just like peeople are, and you should always look at hhow they done things in th past to predict the future. I would love to be wrong about this, but based on the Fire TV not even being upgraded to Android 4.4 yet I do not see them giving us Android 5.0 anytime soon.
KLit75 said:
I agree its a good possibility and choices companies made in the past is not always a clear indication they'll stay consistent. When the kindle fire hd came out for most consumers (not necessarily xda members) you had fewer choices for tablets--pay a lot for a high end iPad or galaxy OR get a nice midranges device like kfhd for considerably cheaper (or buy a really crappy generic running android). Not real competition.
For settop boxes it was even worse. But of course all of that's changed and now the bar has been raised forcing apple, and maybe soon roku, to come up with something better. I also wouldn't think it logical that we'll get kk before lollipop. I have a macbook from 2010 that didn't get the mountain lion update but since then has gotten mavericks and then Yosemite. I realize it might not be exactly the same but just a thought that its not unprecedented for a company to do that.
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What a nice response. Thanks KLit75!!
porkenhimer said:
Look at it like this, the Fire Tabets have been running KitKat for 8 months while the Fire TV is running Jellybean, so if it has been this long and the Fire TV still has not been upgraded to KitKat, how long do you think it will take to upgrade the Fire TV to Lollipop after the Fire Tablets gets upgraded to it? I'll answer for you, around a year after the Fire Tablet gets Fire OS 5 the Fire TV will get it.
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Good points. The Fire TV is overdue an update., and they were smart to go straight to L rather than waste time on K. I also agree now that M is starting to doing the rounds, and given that L seems to be more like Lemon than Lollipop, it would be even smarter to skip it as well.
Amazon knows what it's doing.
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That quote is open to all sorts of interpretation. For over a year i thought they were fully aware of what kodi was and how a decent population of the users were buying aftv because of the fact that it could run kodi. But given recent events, I think I was dead wrong about that.
Companies like this, it appears, will combat piracy (blindly at times) but not necessarily armed with the best intel. With that in mind, whats the argument for not upgrading the os?
I think you need to find who is their main competition...and i see at least 2 of those competitors running lollipop.
That being said, amazon might not look at that as a selling point since fire os is quite a bit different than what google, nvidia, and razor uses. However, i think that argument is weak because they are in fact actively looking to upgrade. ***One more point-apple tv i think is running its own version of ios8 so theres an example of a competitor updating the os and really not changing much in the grand scheme.
In terms of history, i could state many cases occurring daily that show repetitive patterns. But corporations are a little different. Its true amazon and other large companies dont usually lose money in the long run. But how they keep profits soaring sometimes defies common sense to the average person because we arent privy to everything that happens there. I always tell people (outside of xda) that if you truly seek honesty in the media, you should read the business press. Sometimes it feels like they have their own secret club and its funny. The vast majority of americans dont look there even when they have a personal interest in the subject. My point is you might do well to study history as a means to predict whats coming. But a lot of history is well hidden. Its a very open society in terms of information available but finding that info really is a discipline that needs to be practiced.
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KLit75 said:
For over a year i thought they were fully aware of what kodi was and how a decent population of the users were buying aftv because of the fact that it could run kodi. But given recent events, I think I was dead wrong about that.
Companies like this, it appears, will combat piracy (blindly at times) but not necessarily armed with the best intel. With that in mind, whats the argument for not upgrading the os?
I think you need to find who is their main competition...and i see at least 2 of those competitors running lollipop.
That being said, amazon might not look at that as a selling point since fire os is quite a bit different than what google, nvidia, and razor uses. However, i think that argument is weak because they are in fact actively looking to upgrade. ***One more point-apple tv i think is running its own version of ios8 so theres an example of a competitor updating the os and really not changing much in the grand scheme.
In terms of history, i could state many cases occurring daily that show repetitive patterns. But corporations are a little different. Its true amazon and other large companies dont usually lose money in the long run. But how they keep profits soaring sometimes defies common sense to the average person because we arent privy to everything that happens there. I always tell people (outside of xda) that if you truly seek honesty in the media, you should read the business press. Sometimes it feels like they have their own secret club and its funny. The vast majority of americans dont look there even when they have a personal interest in the subject. My point is you might do well to study history as a means to predict whats coming. But a lot of history is well hidden. Its a very open society in terms of information available but finding that info really is a discipline that needs to be practiced.
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Can we keep this thread about Fire OS 5, please.
How did Kodi and piracy get brought into this?
Going to Android 5 makes a lot of sense for the Fire TV. For that matter, going to an Amazon'd version of Android TV makes a lot of sense. Let FTV take advantage of all the AndroidTV updates, lean-back compatible apps, live tv features...
Don't forget hopefully adding the latest Qualcomm drivers for fixing a large number of issues seen in the current ancient [email protected] ones on FireTV.
Applying the latest drivers ([email protected] or [email protected]/95) would cause a massive performance boost,killing all of the lag an many instances.
I am curious how Goat Simulator would run on the latest drivers.
It runs surprisingly well already considering how old the drivers are.
Claude Koch said:
Can we keep this thread about Fire OS 5, please.
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Making an argument/speculating as to how a company decides whether to upgrade the os is what i was attempting. If we dont do that (or something along those lines) Im not really sure where this thread goes, other than "well i hope we get lollipop." And "yeah me too."
The kodi/piracy thing was just a little insight on the thought pattern, or lack there of, of a large business. As many of you know, these meetings are done privately and so are the decisions. To me it fits, but i really have no desire to turn this into yet another war of a ridiculous amount of words so i respect your request. And will stop.
Sorry for the admittedly long post. I dont think it was as off topic as some people believe but it could've been more concise. Also, maybe not appropriate post for a tech website.
Thanks Obama.
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captainjapan said:
Thanks Obama.
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Yes. Because if youre "informed" you know hes such an enemy of large companies, such as amazon, that his political rivals agree (probably for the 1st time) he should be given fast track authority for reasons i vaguely referenced in my prior posts.
I wont preach or resort to name calling (which if you really knew me youd know id consider your last comment to be just that.)
Lets just keep it light. I hope aftv gets lollipop and when they do it wont matter to me
who's president. Not that it really mattered to me before.
One of the reasons i liked xda was because it was almost completely non-political. But for the past year ive listened to users complain about amazon's "controlled ecosystem". I guess i didnt think it was inappropriate to examine the root causes just a tiny bit. I was wrong. And to be honest Im happy to be wrong.
Wow.... I'll be honest I was just throwing a random "thanks obama" out there....
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Wow.... I'll be honest I was just throwing a random "thanks obama" out there....
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Yeah. Sorry man. It was a knee jerk reaction and once again off topic. And i actually thought about it afterwards that you didnt even quote me so...yeah. What can i say but i need to lighten up and lay off the caffeine. My apologies to @captainjapan.
Since we are already waaay of topic, let me bring it semi-sorta-kinda back on topic. Any good comparisons to the other AndroidTV L based players? Things that Nexus/Razer/nVidia boxes do that FireTV has issues with but would be helped by going to Android 5? App compatibility for sure, but what else? Any clue if going to L really means going to AndroidTV under the covers?
My fire TV is rooted on an ancient firmware but bootloader locked and I'm very pleased with performance and stuff with what I do with it. I use apps for USB support, I use kodi which works wonderfully well and I use live TV apps that are excellent.
What are advantages of android TV over the current amazonified jellybean? To you people?
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In paper our Nexus player is much more capable than Remix mini and so i was wondering if there has been any work porting the remix os to our device?
When I found out about Remix OS this morning, I had the exact same thought. Sadly, google only turns up this thread, so I guess it hasn't gone anywhere yet.
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When I found out about Remix OS this morning, I had the exact same thought. Sadly, google only turns up this thread, so I guess it hasn't gone anywhere yet.
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It says here that it's available for x86 devices - like the Nexus player - but all i can find are some PC based installation instructions here. I'm wondering if it flashes the same way as other ROMS like Lollirock? I'm too much of a newbie to know any more. One good thing to note, however, is that you can purchase a whole 'Remix mini' for just $70!!
I was thinking the same thing but with only 1GB of RAM, the Nexus Player isn't going to like doing multitasking.
(I know they sell a model of their MiniPC with 1GB of RAM but I still think it's not enough to provide a decent experience)
I've been wondering the same for a while. Regardless of the 1GB RAM, I think it would run fairly good for light web browsing. The developers themselves have a device for sale with the same amount of RAM and running Remix OS, so i see no reason for this not to exist
I actually wrote to them and linked them to this page to show that there was an interest for this, bringing up how they've ported it to the Nexus 9 and 10, and they actually replied with
"Greetings from Jide!
Thank you for your Feedback. I have marked it as a feature request. Our engineering team will take care it. Please don't hesitate to let us know, if you need further assistance.
Best,
-The Remix Team"
So there may actually be some hope for this!
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I actually wrote to them and linked them to this page to show that there was an interest for this, bringing up how they've ported it to the Nexus 9 and 10, and they actually replied with
"Greetings from Jide!
Thank you for your Feedback. I have marked it as a feature request. Our engineering team will take care it. Please don't hesitate to let us know, if you need further assistance.
Best,
-The Remix Team"
So there may actually be some hope for this!
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Well I'm really hoping for this to materialize. This whole day I've been using the latest beta on my Mac, like for real this time, and this makes way more sense than Android TV in terms of usability and compatibility, is more open and way less limited than android tv.