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It is just the boot loader (Second Program Loader) correct?
If i have a boot loader that is capable of applying update.zip files why should i change that?
I have no fear of bricking, can always re-root from scratch.
Thank you for your time.
if a new SPL has features you desire (bigger system partition...allowing foreign builds, etc., etc.)...that aren't in your current SPL
if you have hardSPL and are satisfied w/ the size of your system partition, leave it be. it's the best one for you at this time
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(bigger system partition)
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Thats all i needed to hear.
Thank you for your answer.
ekeefe41 said:
Thats all i needed to hear.
Thank you for your answer.
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you should rethink your lack of fear of "bricking"
if the SPL doesn't apply correctly, there is no restore from backup or re-rooting at this time.
make sure you have a PVT board first and chances are lower for mishaps
alapapa said:
you should rethink your lack of fear of "bricking"
if the SPL doesn't apply correctly, there is no restore from backup or re-rooting at this time.
make sure you have a PVT board first and chances are lower for mishaps
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Will do
i have read all the guides, have the latest firmware, and have 2 sdcards to play with.
Thank you.
(need to wait for work to slow down before i can play)
I have finished, no issues.
How do i repartition for more /system?
ekeefe41 said:
I have finished, no issues.
How do i repartition for more /system?
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if you flashed Haykuro's "special" spl, it should have done it on its own.
DREAM PVT 32B ENG S-OFF
HBOOT-1.33.2005 (DREA10000)
CPLD-4
RADIO-2.22.19.26I
APR 20 2009, 15:30:43
FASTBOOT
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So yea, gonna try the new ion build
I wonder where the new spl came from... i also wonder why people just tend to update things they dont know @#$! about which may cause a bricked phone...
I also wonder why someone would put it online and recommend people to update without knowing it could harm someones phone....
A lot of threads get killed because sources can not be verified and such, but a spl which causes a lot of bricked phones is still online.... Until there is a 100% proven way to update the new spl ( if its even a new spl for the dream ) I would like mods to consider to take it offline or remove the download links from this forum, like they do with some roms ( which cant cause any real harm ).
I hope you people all thought about how this new SPL could potentially brick your phone when a new Radio comes along just as using the old radio with this SPL could brick your phone.
Is the new 1.33.2005 spl backwards compatible with older roms? I am trying to find the jf rom that has nandroid as part of the recovery console and Im going to have to flash each one till I find the rom with it but I want to make sure the spl will work with the older builds.
Or if anyone knows where I can get the recovery image with nandroid, that would be appreciated!
Thanks
Kevin
rogro82 said:
I wonder where the new spl came from... i also wonder why people just tend to update things they dont know @#$! about which may cause a bricked phone...
I also wonder why someone would put it online and recommend people to update without knowing it could harm someones phone....
A lot of threads get killed because sources can not be verified and such, but a spl which causes a lot of bricked phones is still online.... Until there is a 100% proven way to update the new spl ( if its even a new spl for the dream ) I would like mods to consider to take it offline or remove the download links from this forum, like they do with some roms ( which cant cause any real harm ).
I hope you people all thought about how this new SPL could potentially brick your phone when a new Radio comes along just as using the old radio with this SPL could brick your phone.
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I tend to agree. The way these phones are setup, recovering from a failed ROM flash is safe and easy. But flashing an SPL that was made for a different device is just asking for trouble IMO. Until someone comes up with a working JTAG, I'm sticking with HardSPL.
Hi,
I've posted pretty much the same yesterday in the development section in Amon_RA recovery thread, but figured it wasn't the best thing to do, so I'm moving my questions here, where they have probably belonged all along...(and I'll edit my post there)
I'm not exactly noob when it comes to PC, Linux, phones and stuff, but I've been trying to make some sense of this SPL and radio stuff for days for the fear of bricking my phone (it's rather expensive, after all) and the more I read, the more confused I in fact become. It seems to me there's a lot of contradicting info available here in the forums.
First, I've got the 32A european HTC branded Magic:
PVT 32A SHIP S-ON H
HBOOT-1.33.0009 (SAPP10000)
CPLD-12
RADIO-3.22.20.17
May 8 2009, 21:02:32
Now, on the thread about Amon_RA recovery, it says in big red letters "Make sure your phone is rooted and that you are using an engineerings SPL". Also, a few pages into the very same thread, there's this:
skittleguy said:
If you can confirm it works through fastboot, then you can also do this:
Code:
fastboot flash recovery recovery-RAv1.1(G or H, depending on your version).img
This will flash it to your phone. Note that you'll need an engineering SPL for this.
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However, when I rooted my phone a few weeks back, I used Amon_RA recovery 1.2.0 - the latest at the time - without flashing it permanently to make nandroid backup of the unrooted phone and then to apply the necessary patches to root my phone succesfuly. Then I flashed the Amon_RA recovery without any problems directly into the phone and been using it since, even did some nandroid backups and restores without any problems at all. Should this even be possible without the engineering SPL (which I figure I don't have, it being .0009 and S-ON)? If I understood the SPL info correctly, it shouldn't, but I was still able to do it...So how come?
Also, can I perhaps try to flash some custom ROM for 32A without the risk of bricking the device? Am I right in my understanding that pretty much the only way to brick the phone is to start messing with radio and SPL? So is there any risk involved in just downloading a ROM, wiping the phone, flashing the update to see if it works without tampering with radio/SPL?
As for the Hero ROMs, once again, do I need to update radio and/or SPL to make them work or can I just try? And if I DO update them (I gather the .2005 SPL should work in my Magic, not really sure about radios, though) and I want to go back to my original ROM for some reason (given that I have nandroid backup available), will I be required to downgrade radio/SPL back as well (therefore be once again exposed to the risk of bricking the phone)?
Thanks for any clarifications on these. If someone can direct me to some clear info on the issues, I'll gladly take that, but as I've said, most of the informations I've dug out the past few days (and weeks, actually) only deepen my confusion. I'm quite sure my questions have probably been answered a lot of times before, but this forum is so packed with information it's becoming hard to actually find exactly what you're looking for, even if you try to do so. Thanks again.
This has been in progress for a while. If you follow the G2 forums, then you'll know that there have been big problems with G2 phones that have been unlocked via unlock codes, with those unlocked phones then not being able to find a network at all.
It looks like the guys on #G2ROOT have cracked S-OFF for radio. This is *not* the same as the current S-OFF that we have from HBOOT. Apparently it should help to prevent semi-bricking via incorrect flashing of older ROMs.
The article in the Wiki explains all. Documentation about the procedures should be coming soon. We will of course have to make sure it's fine on the DZ too :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wik...Subsidy_Unlock.2C_SuperCID.2C_and_Radio_S-OFF
nice gives all those "bricked" g2's hope
Radio S-OFF is permanent S-OFF?
So no more warranty? Damn.
I'll stick to the stock ROM for a while with root, then HBOOT S-OFF, but never radio S-OFF.
I like warranty. Never know when you'll need it.
DanWilson said:
Radio S-OFF is permanent S-OFF?
So no more warranty? Damn.
I'll stick to the stock ROM for a while with root, then HBOOT S-OFF, but never radio S-OFF.
I like warranty. Never know when you'll need it.
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I imagine it'll still be possible to reverse it. From a scan of the IRC logs (though of course I might have missed important stuff), it looks like you just need to write the correct data to the right area of a partition to get the radio S-OFF. So surely you can un-do that by writing the previous data ?
Documentation on this is now up, see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=855764
Bear in mind that the instructions are for the G2 right now, so if you try this out on a DZ there's a high chance of a permanent brick ! But hopefully someone will sort out a verified method for the DZ soon
I would not advise people do this form of S-OFF unless they really need to anyway, its harder to come back from (if you did semi-brick) and holds more risks.
Lennyuk said:
I would not advise people do this form of S-OFF unless they really need to anyway, its harder to come back from (if you did semi-brick) and holds more risks.
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But when an easier way to do it comes along (which is being worked on, I believe), a full S-OFF will be a lot safer, because then it won't be so easy to brick your phone by simply flashing an old RUU.
steviewevie said:
But when an easier way to do it comes along (which is being worked on, I believe), a full S-OFF will be a lot safer, because then it won't be so easy to brick your phone by simply flashing an old RUU.
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people should not be flashing an old RUU anyway!
anyone who is silly enough to do that gets a brick for a reason.
Always either flash the latest ruu, or restore a nandroid of stock and flash an ota it offers, these are the safest ways.
You will get more bricks from people doing radio s-off than the s-off + ruu method gives.
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I would not advise people do this form of S-OFF unless they really need to anyway, its harder to come back from (if you did semi-brick) and holds more risks.
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You're an ass-talker. You talk through your ass, blow hot air, and have no idea what you're talking about.
1) it is SAFER,
2) it is EASIER to come back from,
3) it is SAFER.
Why is it safer? Because it does NOT require writing the hboot or radio! You can blow p7 out and android will still boot, which means that you have the opportunity to fix it if something goes wrong.
A bad flash of the radio or hboot and you're dead.
For those who might not have seen it yet, there's now a fully documented procedure on how to do this to your DZ (and yes, it's been tested on the DZ too).
As has been said, this is a safer method to get S-OFF (letting you flash custom ROMs) than the previous method of putting on an engineering hboot.
See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=857390
DanWilson said:
Radio S-OFF is permanent S-OFF?
So no more warranty? Damn.
I'll stick to the stock ROM for a while with root, then HBOOT S-OFF, but never radio S-OFF.
I like warranty. Never know when you'll need it.
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all i do for warrenty with modded phones is feed 12-20 volts ( from a wall adapter) into the battery contacts and tost the main board and bring it back as dead they send me a new one no questions asked cause the phone is dead...even did this with a htc ppc6800 that i smashed the screen in and thay warrenteyed it no prob....this is on bell in canada....
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I was following your discussion on bricking because of flashing ruus but for some reason it doesn't apply to me. I had an Asian WWE 1.34.707.5 (shipped with my phone) then I flashed it with Asian WWE 1.34.707.3 RUU and it didn't brick my phone.
Hey Everyone,
I've bricked a phone beyond recovery once. It sucks. What happened? I didn't check md5's and ruined everything. That phone is long gone, and history now. I've learned my lessons.
Anyway, I noticed something that might remove a risky step from phone modification. I needed to root my OTA gingerbread DZ from Bell, which required a Gold Card.
Besides backing up and restoring the sd card contents, it's a pretty painless process to make a Gold Card for your phone.
After downgrading with the Gold Card, I asked myself "hey, I just flashed a PC10IMG.zip that wouldn't have passed the security checks...why can't I flash back my Bell radio via PC10IMG.zip now too, even though I have the stock hboot?"
The answer, I did. It worked
Summary: If you have a Gold Card, you should be able to flash any PC10IMG.zip that isn't corrupted, even on stock hboot.
Anyway, I know flashing a radio is also risky, but hey, if you don't need to flash eng hboot, you have seriously avoided doing probably the most dangerous modification to your phone.
Funny thing is that I've never heard of this and my searches brought up nothing. Maybe I'm just bad at searching.
Any thoughts on this that I may not be addressing?
Cheers!
NOTE: proceed with caution! I am not responsible for the bricking of your phone. Please let this discussion unfold a bit before assuming everything is safe!
After running gfree, it gives you Super-cid, which means you don't have to use a goldcard.
You can flash radio's on ship hboot as well, by using PC10IMG, and flashing it through hboot.
Goldcards are only neccessary when downgrading roms when trying to root.
Also, having an eng hboot is recommended, because you have a lot more control over the phone than normal, if you were to really break anything, but could still get to hboot, then the phone will be recoverable.
-Nipqer
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After running gfree, it gives you Super-cid, which means you don't have to use a goldcard.
You can flash radio's on ship hboot as well, by using PC10IMG, and flashing it through hboot.
Goldcards are only neccessary when downgrading roms when trying to root.
Also, having an eng hboot is recommended, because you have a lot more control over the phone than normal, if you were to really break anything, but could still get to hboot, then the phone will be recoverable.
-Nipqer
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Aah, thank you. I thought it was required to have the eng hboot to flash radios. I knew there must be a reason why this isn't a big deal lol.
Sent from my Nexus 6 through tears in rain.
Im thinking of S-OFF-ing my device (Unlocking bootloader). I want to ask did anybody did it on our tattoo, what are the ups and downs, what are the chances of hard bricking my device, will i still be able to flash roms via CWM, and the most important, is it worth it ???
kemoba said:
Im thinking of S-OFF-ing my device (Unlocking bootloader). I want to ask did anybody did it on our tattoo, what are the ups and downs, what are the chances of hard bricking my device, will i still be able to flash roms via CWM, and the most important, is it worth it ???
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1.) No, I hadn't.
2.) You can write data directly into system without booting into recovery and there's no downs, only better
3.) Your Click may go to eternity sleep if something goes wrong. but believe me, I've S-OFFed my Desire, not my previous Click as it's already factoried s-off. Nothing bad happens:beer:
4.) S-offing will NOT touch your recovery.
5.) The risks are very low, but if you mess up service again so it's worth, I recommend. Download from HTCDev site. Revolutionary's unfortunately not into this.
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kemoba said:
Im thinking of S-OFF-ing my device (Unlocking bootloader). I want to ask did anybody did it on our tattoo, what are the ups and downs, what are the chances of hard bricking my device, will i still be able to flash roms via CWM, and the most important, is it worth it ???
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If you're thinking about using htcdev boot unlocker, it won't S-Off your phone. It would just let you flash custom recovery and such which we can do already. Therefore in my view, it's not necessary to do it.
If you actually get an S-Off done(paid solution), it still won't be very useful as most of the things that we usually want like downgrading/upgrading we can do with the help of gold card and some other tricks posted in this forum.
I got S-off done as I wanted to be able to change mid but I later found out that I couldn't do it with stock hboot as it provides a curtailed list of fastboot oem commands in comparison to Eng-hboot. I thought S-Off would help me change the model id(mid). If there was a way a to directly alter mid in NVRAM then it would be helpful but for now the money spent on S-Off is a waste.
Wish there was an ENG hboot available for our Tattoo.
Hope this info will be useful.