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I think the S-Memo is very useful but is also very lacking in features. Does anybody here know of an app that I can use to take notes with? One thing I'm having a hard time finding is an app with Palm Recognition, so that I can rest my hand on the Note while writing.
When I purchased my tab 10.1, I was absolutely sure I made the right choice, after reading reviews about all the major tablets in the market. Now, after three months, I am not so sure. The disappointment is largely because of the failure of giants like Google and android tablet manufacturers to not being able to provide an "awesome" experience, even after more than one and a half years of being in the market. This frustration is one of those times when you really want to like something, but you just feel constantly, it could be much much better.
Minor software like a responsive keyboard shouldn't be that far-fethched for android. While typing this post on my tab, it seems like I am typing on a device/software that is not even an alpha release, even after so many years since android launched. And of course, I compare it to the iPad's keyboard, although I would never buy an Apple product - I like android for a reason (freedom).
I had thought I would always be able to take notes in meetings on the tab, but I have come to a very disappointing realization that the tab is just not made for note taking - not even close. I bought the Adonit Jot Pro thinking it is the best stylus in the market and would help greatly with note taking. When I started using the stylus, it was clear to me there is nothing out there that can accomplish the functionalty of note taking on the tab - Jot Pro clearly failed, but it's not the stylus's issue. Just why can't the tab, although it has a better hardware than the iPad, not allow decent note taking functionality?
I started considering the Thinkpad tablet as it touts a note-taking functionality and the screen is especially made for that, but after reading and watching reviews for that product, it seems Lenovo has a lot of catching up to do. The Thinkpad is sluggish, doesn't record notes as its windows tablet counterpart does in terms of speed and accuracy. After getting excited about an android tablet - the Thinkpad - that would allow note taking, I am back to square one after reading its reviews. I am not going to buy it.
The developers here do an amazing job to make our tabs better, but why is the android OS still subpar compared go the iOS? It can't be just that it has to cater to multiple hardware options and manufacturers, or that is is newer than the iOS. I don't think my expectations are unrealistic.
As the keyboard is giving me such grief, I will cut this post short and come back to the request/point. Does anyone know of an app that does something simple and basic like palm-rejection and follows the writing on the tab closely, without any lag? I have used writepad, free note, genial, super note, and others, which were supposed to be good for the tab, but alas, nothing accomplishes not taking. I am aware the polling on the screen for the tab is lagged compared to that for the iPad (and just Why?!), but am sure something could be done about it.
Please don't suggest buying another tablet, especially the iPad, or that I should develop an app for myself. Any sensible reader (hope SamsungJohn is still around, and someone from Andy Rubin's team reads this post) would know what the point of this post is. Thanks.
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just use touchscreentune from development thread. Problem solved
vitalij said:
just use touchscreentune from development thread. Problem solved
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Did you miss the part about palm rejection? Touchscreen Tune can't resolve that problem, as far as I can tell.
It also won't help with the lag associated with note apps that he was referring to.
I'm actually quite interested in a solution as well, as I would love to take this to my dev meetings when I don't want to lug around my laptop.
I'm kind of in the same boat as you. I would have liked to take notes with the G-Tab too but nothing I've found makes it ideal. There's an Asus note app in the dev section that helps a lot. For some reason it seems to accept responses better. It's what I used for short notes and phone numbers. For meeting notes, not so much.
ICS supports hand writing recognition natively. Hopefully there's not a h/w component required and that ends up being the long term solution for the Tab.
I wish there were an addon like the iPad's iPen for the Galaxy Tabs, it's an active digitizer:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1225098940/ipen-the-first-active-stylus-for-ipad
1) Handwriting
I don't know why there isn't an app for the tab that supports palm rejection. From a dev point of view, I assume the problem lies therein that it isn't possible to block other touchevents, so you cannot "ignore" parts of the screen. This may easily be a hardware related issue, that further touchpoints are ignored when your hand rests on the screen.
2) "Minor software like a responsive keyboard shouldn't be that far-fethched for android."
Have you tried a ROM like Galaxy Tab? The keyboard (stock) is much better than the touchwiz one.
3) Notetaking
TouchScreenTune, if you haven't tried it yet. Check out the dev section. No, doesn't help with palm rejection BUT, makes the notetaking for me possible.
Added palm rejection to TouchScreenTune Test version in development thread:
PALM REJECTION:
added slider allowing to turn on palm rejection. That means that you hand can rest on screen while writing using stylus, but you will still be able to write since touch events from your palm will be ignored. Set palm detection slider value to 0 or maybe a bit more like 1-10 to enable this functionality.
there are some reports that the galaxy note pen works on the galaxy tab , it has thin tip and should be accurate in writing notes with supported applications
i dont use stylus but i use finger to write notes. i use ausus super note app and i feel comfortable compared to other notes app. you can try touchscreen tune if you havent tried it.
kmaq said:
i dont use stylus but i use finger to write notes. i use ausus super note app and i feel comfortable compared to other notes app. you can try touchscreen tune if you havent tried it.
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The latest touchscreen tune with palm rejection (from the thread in the dev section) works well with asus supernote.
you can try these...
try the onscreen keyboard apps like thumb keyboard or swiftkey tablet x .
Both are really very good.
Thumb keyboard with multitouch option is really very helpfull.
Everyone knows about the predictive powers of swiftkey.
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Did you miss the part about palm rejection? Touchscreen Tune can't resolve that problem, as far as I can tell.
It also won't help with the lag associated with note apps that he was referring to.
I'm actually quite interested in a solution as well, as I would love to take this to my dev meetings when I don't want to lug around my laptop.
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Check the multi touch bottom it help when my palm touched the screen it stopped it from reading my palm touch
The reason for the choppiness is that androids UI and keyboard ius not hardware accelerated like apple's. Android also runs it as oje process, while apple tries to split it up to accommodate doing smaller things (so only one thing lags rather than whole ui).
I hope this is fixed more in ICS, but i have noticed that too. You cna put a custom rom on the tablet to make it a lot faster (stock rom is pretty buggy).
To be honest I'd recommend getting a bluetooth keyboard. I have one that's part of a case and it works perfectly. Aside from that I think you just need to use an app that suits you, I don't mind Polaris to be honest, but I find for speed typing I DO need the keyboard.
Huh? I'm on 3.1 and the standard Android keyboard (not the Samsung one that's on by default) works great. Very responsive, zero lag.
I have the tab 8.9 and there is no touchscreen app so a little worse off than the 10.1.
I use the app freenotes to take notes along with a pogo sketch stylus. THis makes the tab great for notetaking for me- very flexible and very easy to take clear notes in real time. Will also try the Asus supernote app soon.
I just wish it had the PDF and other document import export that apps like notability have on iOS- would make it perfect
i have motorola xoom, ipad 1, and now SGT,and i personally think that people who want to use their tablet to take note , they can do that. But to have a tablet+ stylus that they can comfortably write as they do with their notebook+pen is a different story.
I found Quill. It's quite good. It seems to be open source because it's available in Google Code and you can download the APK: http://code.google.com/p/android-quill/downloads/list
It have an option for disabling the bottom of the screen for resting your palm, though with TouchScreenTune you don't need it...
However, it's choppy in the GT10.1 unless you are rooted and install TouchScreenTune (which, by the way, was recently updated and now really works! Thanks dev!)
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I tried almost everything, and the best ones at the moment, are TabNotes, Writepad for stylus, and Handrite and Genial writing for handwriting.
Everything else is either laggy or choppy or just doesn't work well. At least imo. Quill and Freenote don't even compare with the two first above in responsiveness.
Of course you need touchscreentune, the recommended settings work fine. Palm rejection works quite well too, with the new version. (thanks again Vitalijus).
I tested all this on a UK tab version hc 3.2 (XXKL2).
I haven't tried Writepad because for some reason cannot buy apps from my tab... But Quill fill my needs.
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I apologize if this has been addressed in another thread but I couldn't find a culmination of App suggestions to address my concern.
I love all the functions on the Note 10.1 although I probably wouldn't use them all.
I also know that the Note 10.1 Stylus only works on that tablet.
But I just can't pass up on the newer specs of the N10 (even without the expandable memory).
My question is are there any apps that allow you to do the multi-screen multitasking that the Note 10.1 can do with your everyday stylus.
I like the clipping of pictures and/or text with the stylus which can be added to documents or text messages.
The handwriting recognition features including the math formulas and shape drawing help.
So many more features and too many to list.
Just curious of any N10 owner who made the same decision as I am about to but was also able to get at least a little bit of the many things the Note 10.1 can do.
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You can buy PS Touch on the market for photo editing. I have.
However if you find an app for math formula and shape recognition, i would love to know it too.
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Handwrite my script calculator free note are some handwriting applications you might find useful
Way back in 2002, I used a Pocket PC with Microsoft Transcriber. It allowed me to write on the screen, then recognize the handwriting and input that into the text box. Basically, it was a keyboard replacement app.
I mention this because I have NEVER seen anything for Android, or iDevices that does this - and the evil empire was doing it 10 years ago. I would love for my tablet to do this!! Yes, I have seen the plethora of "notebook" apps that allow handwriting, but they are not keyboard replacements.
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Way back in 2002, I used a Pocket PC with Microsoft Transcriber. It allowed me to write on the screen, then recognize the handwriting and input that into the text box. Basically, it was a keyboard replacement app.
I mention this because I have NEVER seen anything for Android, or iDevices that does this - and the evil empire was doing it 10 years ago. I would love for my tablet to do this!! Yes, I have seen the plethora of "notebook" apps that allow handwriting, but they are not keyboard replacements.
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If M$ had this, there is likely licensing issues involved and Google doesn't want to pay for it on an open source platform. Remember that Apple isn't the only patent troll in the tech industry.
I have my Note 10.1 for around 6 months now, i use it daily and i'm happy with it regarding smoothness and performance but i can't find use for it's specific features. I use it like i would any other android tablet.
Some of the specific features i'm talking about which i don't use:
Spen: it looks interesting as concept but it doesn't feel pratical to use. it's much more intuitive to use your finger instead of going for the pen.
The pen feels like an unnecessary extension of your finger.
I tried drawing but it was a disappointing experience, it doesn't track fast enough like you would on normal paper, it's much too slow, i have to draw in slow motion or it won't keep up.
Maybe it is useful for some handwritten notes but due to the drawing lag and the fact that the keyboard prediction is quite good i end up preferring to just use the keyboard.
multiwindow (or apps in hovering windows): it looks powerful and interesting but i've yet to find a use for it. I use several windows in a PC usually but it doesn't feel pratical to do it in a tablet, the screen size/resolution isn't big enough, you get 2 small windows and end up not enjoying properly either app.
Please help me make better use of my note, i'm happy with it but i feel i'm waisting some potential uses.
Hi,
I use the spen every day to take notes in meetings or at my desk. the snote application is for me unusable but with the right app (in my case Lecturenotes) it replaced completely my paper notebook in the job. Together with syncing the notes to Evernote or own server or sending handwritten notes with drawings per mail directly to collegues it fit's all my needs.
As mentioned, I don't see any lagging using the pen. and true, using the pen only to control the device does not make sense at all.
Rgds
Sven
I bought the Note 10.1 primarily for notes, reading, work and browsing and I'm happy all round
I use the S Pen all the time and was one of the reasons I bought a Note and not a Nexus for example. Is your S Pen calibrated well? Mine has no problems with lag and can keep up with my writing with no problems at all. Maybe use a different tip?
I also use multiwindow which is nice for taking notes and browsing at the same time for example. Or watching a movie while working (if there's no boss around lol).
I got because I needed a 10" tablet for my whip and the note 10.1 had multi window.. I use this tablet as my main device.. I use cm10.2 because it seems a bit faster than stock and I came to the conclusion that multi window is pointless.. it doesn't work like it does on a PC were I can drag and drop
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I only use the multi-window occasionally. However, the stylus? I used to use that every day when I still had classes, but now that I'm doing all research and teaching, I only use it for quick and dirty calculations. I used to draw with it as well, but I don't have that time now.. :/
(What app are you using? I find that certain apps don't seem optimized for the spen, so the tracker does lag for those.)
tried lecture notes yesterday, looks clean and simple but i still feel the tracking lags a bit if you move the pen faster. if i write as i would on a normal paper it can't keep up completely. I tried the character recognition "keyboard" and it also fails to recognize most of my handwriting, might be a bit my fault too.
Anyway, still happy with my note, but i guess having spen or multiwindow won't be a requirement when i upgrade my tablet.
Otoh it seems that if choose to stick with samsung the new note 10.1 seems the only way to go because the galaxy tab3 has last year's screen resolution.
From your needs I would think that nexus 10 would be more than sufficient. Samsung too.
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Jasonchewy91 said:
From your needs I would think that nexus 10 would be more than sufficient. Samsung too.
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I agree. If you're not going to use the S-Pen, then why not get a Nexus 10 or even a Samsung Tab2/3? The only reason we put up with the dated resolution of the screen is the S-Pen, since there's no alternative (at least running Android).
Pretty much done away with notebooks here. I'm still torn between lecture notes and s note. I like certain features of each. I do find handwriting recognition more bother than worth. S pen IS the big advantage of the note. Definitely worth it to me.
Bottom line is my. Note is everywhere I am.
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I use mine for playing games and drawing and painting using clover paint and s note for taking notes
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I also use SPen everyday. I bought this tablet for taking notes during meetings. I'm fully happywith it.
I use the multiwindow feature when I need several functions at the same time. For instance, I can open SNote with a calculator or internet navigator. But honestly, it's not my favourite feature.
I plan to move to another ROM since Samsung is not prompt to send us a new one. I would like to setup accounts. However, I would like to keep SNote ...
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From your needs I would think that nexus 10 would be more than sufficient. Samsung too.
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I would have considered the Nexus 10 if it was sold in my country (which is not), but, even so, i read that the Nexus 10 might not be as fast/smooth as the Note due to the higher resolution.
Spen: Everyday in university
Multiwindow: Never
IR Blast: Never
Drawing: I am really, really bad at drawing stuff, so never
I recommend to everyone whose usage of the device matches the above, flash an AOSP based rom!
Kamairo said:
Spen: Everyday in university
Multiwindow: Never
IR Blast: Never
Drawing: I am really, really bad at drawing stuff, so never
I recommend to everyone whose usage of the device matches the above, flash an AOSP based rom!
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do aosp roms support hovering and palm rejection? I'm looking to buy the new note but i figured i'd need to stick w/ touchwiz.
smac7 said:
do aosp roms support hovering and palm rejection? I'm looking to buy the new note but i figured i'd need to stick w/ touchwiz.
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What do you mean exactly with hovering? Of course the software is _able_ to detect the spen hovering, because this is a hardware feature of the digitizer. For example: In lecture notes you can use hovering to scroll the page, that's because the developer chose to get the signals of the hardware (spen and digitzer). Samsung chose to integrate the hovering feature in the system api, so that you can scroll in menu's etc. Most of the AOSP rom's (i am using cyanogenmod, look at my signature) will not include the hovering in their system, but nevertheless it's a hardware feature that is enabled, but the software needs to use it. I hope you can understand this.
To palm rejection: It's nearly the same, with the little difference that the touchscreen always shuts down if the spen is near it. I don't know if it's even possible to write software that brakes this feature.
But I can assure you: On cyanogenmod the writing with spen is much more fluid, smoother and feels much better than on a tw based rom.
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What do you mean exactly with hovering? Of course the software is _able_ to detect the spen hovering, because this is a hardware feature of the digitizer. For example: In lecture notes you can use hovering to scroll the page, that's because the developer chose to get the signals of the hardware (spen and digitzer). Samsung chose to integrate the hovering feature in the system api, so that you can scroll in menu's etc. Most of the AOSP rom's (i am using cyanogenmod, look at my signature) will not include the hovering in their system, but nevertheless it's a hardware feature that is enabled, but the software needs to use it. I hope you can understand this.
To palm rejection: It's nearly the same, with the little difference that the touchscreen always shuts down if the spen is near it. I don't know if it's even possible to write software that brakes this feature.
But I can assure you: On cyanogenmod the writing with spen is much more fluid, smoother and feels much better than on a tw based rom.
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thanks. that's what i wanted to know. I'm assuming pressure sensitivity works too then with apps that support it (i believe ezpdf does support this, at least it did when i tried in the store on the stock model)?
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thanks. that's what i wanted to know. I'm assuming pressure sensitivity works too then with apps that support it (i believe ezpdf does support this, at least it did when i tried in the store on the stock model)?
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Yes, it is. Works flawlessy in lecture notes on cyanogenmod.
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But I can assure you: On cyanogenmod the writing with spen is much more fluid, smoother and feels much better than on a tw based rom.
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Sounds good. But which tool are you using for taking notes? I guess you don't use anymore SNote, right?
ldcn said:
Sounds good. But which tool are you using for taking notes? I guess you don't use anymore SNote, right?
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That's not possible, there is no S Note on AOSP roms, it needs Toichwiz API /framework. I am using lecture notes, but many people also use papyrus. Your call.
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i think multiwindow is very useful
Time ago I was use to pda/phone with stylus and handwriting. In fact I was faster and felt more comfortable typing on my old Palm device than using a (no note) iOS/Android phone.
Though Samsung has the Note models since years ago, I had not tried them yet...
But now I am decide to move on. I understand that handwriting recognition must have improve since the resistive screen times. right?
How well supported are stylus/digitizer phones by free android forks, such as lineage ?
which is better suported by community? note4 and note5?
I don't need the last software/hardware specs, I don't use it for games or high demanding apps but just some productivity apps.
any other note model from Samsung?
or a note/stylus phone from other brand?
thanks
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How well supported are stylus/digitizer phones by free android forks, such as lineage ?
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AOSP doe not support SPen (sammy proprietary closed source) - however - there is a thread which explains how to use it in AOSP.
SPen on AOSP
I use SPen on Lineage/RR roms for note 4 with these instructions.
And do your homework - use search, read & learn.
Interesting, I always thought that Spen technology was more similar to wacom , and consequently more transparent to apps. What about the handwriting recognition in Android?
if it existed 10 years ago, nowadays it can be almost perfect. right?
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AOSP doe not support SPen (sammy proprietary closed source) - however - there is a thread which explains how to use it in AOSP.
SPen on AOSP
I use SPen on Lineage/RR roms for note 4 with these instructions.
And do your homework - use search, read & learn.
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I feel I should elaborate - AOSP does not support the advanced S-Pen features found in Samsung's ROMs, however the pen itself does work as a pointing device in any ROM, because basic Wacom support is included in Android source. As for the handwriting recognition, out of the box it works pretty well, and once you get used to it (and the phone gets used to your handwriting), it will be even better.