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As I sit here and wait for 2.2.2 for my N1, it occurs to me I know nothing about the OTA process. A quick search of XDA reveals some of the same questions but few answers. Here's some things I'd like explained:
- How does the rollout process work?
- Are they controlled by HTC or Google or Tmobile?
- How does the selection of IMEIs work?
- How are the carriers involved in the distribution process?
- Is country of residence a factor?
- Does the update process work faster over WiFi? Or maybe require a cellular data connection?
- What does *#*#CHECKIN#*#* do exactly?
- What does clicking Settings...About Phone...System Updates do?
- Is the signing and structure of the update package understood?
- Would I get an OTA if I had no cellular data plan (only WiFi)?
Can anyone point me to a thread/page/wiki that has these answers?
To the best of my knowledge:
James Bell said:
As I sit here and wait for 2.2.2 for my N1, it occurs to me I know nothing about the OTA process. A quick search of XDA reveals some of the same questions but few answers. Here's some things I'd like explained:
- How does the rollout process work?
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Google puts the update on their server, your phone checks in for updates every once in a while. If the Google servers tell your phone there is an update, it downloads it and prompts you to install it.
- Are they controlled by HTC or Google or Tmobile?
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100% Google controlled
- How does the selection of IMEIs work?
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No one knows for sure. Seemingly random unless you have one of the "Holiday" Nexus Ones which seem to get preferential treatment to update first. Not always the case though.
- How are the carriers involved in the distribution process?
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Aside from the data being downloaded across their network, the carriers are not involved in any way with the Nexus One's update distribution.
- Is country of residence a factor?
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I don't believe so. It goes off your IMEI and whether Google has chosen you.
- Does the update process work faster over WiFi? Or maybe require a cellular data connection?
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That depends on the speed of your wifi or 3G connection. It is like downloading any other file off the internet (wifi will probably be faster).
- What does *#*#CHECKIN#*#* do exactly?
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It forces your phone to check Google's servers for an update. But, if your IMEI isn't in the approved pool that the update is being sent to, it will NOT cause your phone to get the update ahead of time. IMO, the checkin code is worthless as you will almost always see the update file posted here long before your phone will tell you there is an update.
- What does clicking Settings...About Phone...System Updates do?
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That only lists updates your phone has already downloaded and are ready to apply. It does not check for new updates.
- Is the signing and structure of the update package understood?
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Yes.
- Would I get an OTA if I had no cellular data plan (only WiFi)?
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Yes.
Can anyone point me to a thread/page/wiki that has these answers?
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The wiki is located in a link at the top, labeled appropriately enough "WIKI".
It may not have these specific answers, but is an excellent place to go before asking any questions here.
Oh, and one more thing. You have posted this in the wrong forum. This forum is not for questions. The forum labeled "Nexus One Q&A" would have been the appropriate forum to start this thread in.
I have a korean nexus and it got updates which slighty different from stock rom, i think it maded by kt itself, not google.
My opinion is thats because its a operator model. And yours t-mobile nexuse one wouldnt be one of the first wholl recieve ota.
Btw my korean nexus stll didnt recieved FRG83D
There are no operator models in the US, only Vodafone in Europe and KT in Korea have them.
The updates of the operator ones still come from Google, but they're delayed for testing/modification by the networks.
- What does clicking Settings...About Phone...System Updates do?
That only lists updates your phone has already downloaded and are ready to apply. It does not check for new updates.
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Curious: Why, for example, sense'd phones can have "check for updates" button, and we have to just stare and wait?
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Because HTC decided that's how they wanted it.
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Because HTC decided that's how they wanted it.
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Yes, but I can't find any reason to NOT give the option to manually chceck for updates. I had that option in stock android 2.1 on the Milestone, so it can't be to difficult if Moto Europe lazy devs could do that. Am I missing something or it's just illogical?
Hm. Maybe google didn't want hteir servers to be DDoS'd when new update arrives
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There are no operator models in the US, only Vodafone in Europe and KT in Korea have them.
The updates of the operator ones still come from Google, but they're delayed for testing/modification by the networks.
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Hi Rusty, how do define operator models? I have FRG83D installed! Before that I had FRF91 (Vodafone)! Is my phone still a operator model? In which way does it effect the OTA process?
Unless you've deliberately made the effort to switch to the untouched Google firmware, you'll still have the Voda variant.
What this means is you will receive updates much later than the Google bought handsets, if you tried to install the 2.2.2 update (FRG83G), you'll find that it will fail.
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Unless you've deliberately made the effort to switch to the untouched Google firmware, you'll still have the Voda variant.
What this means is you will receive updates much later than the Google bought handsets, if you tried to install the 2.2.2 update (FRG83G), you'll find that it will fail.
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I've unlocked the bootloader and installed FRG83D. Prior to that I had FRF91 2.1 Vodafone Version!
Got ya. You are on par with the Google bought phones then.
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Got ya. You are on par with the Google bought phones then.
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Thanks Rusty!
it's really a hard work to wait OTA with google's official version. So I can't wait and just flash a lot of vendor room from the XDA.
the "checkin" seemed to force the phone to check update...
I've rooted my FRG83D, and received my 2.2.2 yesterday, but failed to go through the update due to not found carhome.apk which I deleted manually...
hey guys.
i just now started thinking ,what DOES unlocking the bootloader achieve ?
i mean if its only implementing new kernels which make new rom implementation easier and OCing available.. well im not all that impressed by it then.
(yes oc is good, but people seem to be making new roms anyway...so)
so please helpful forumers, enlighten me ,what does the unlocking of the bootloader achieve for us ?
and yea i am kinda new to android stuff
yep basically what you said - being able to flash unsigned kernal which makes rom development easier as you have control over the kernal and the android system so you dont have to compile your android system to match up to the existing SE kernal.
In simple terms: Gingerbread, 16 M colors, all hardware pieces working at 100%, getting rid of SE layers, etc.
alright men thanks a bunch.
guess im definitely going to buy the neo, seems such a perfect price and power match and the bootloader question was the only thing keeping me from it, also the ram, but i have good faith in gingerbread task manager +the launcher is very nice
Indeed, it is so much more than just OC'ing.
Would an unlocked bootloader mean something could be done about the call volume on the X10?
And could you make the photo light work as a flash without third party apps?
Glad someone asked this question, as I have no idea what it all means and didn't want to start a new post
YES IT IS. But it seems to be too far since many of us are using this device from almost one year and would be able to renew our X10 soon letting it in the past. Too sad since with the bootloader opened this device could be amazing and safe. But now I'm blocking data traffic to avoid viruses and using it like an old phone and looking for a replacement, also the camera is next to be useless with such stupid light. GPS is fine but every smartphone out there come with GPS too !
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YES IT IS. But it seems to be too far since many of us are using this device from almost one year and would be able to renew our X10 soon letting it in the past. Too sad since with the bootloader opened this device could be amazing and safe. But now I'm blocking data traffic to avoid viruses and using it like an old phone and looking for a replacement, also the camera is next to be useless with such stupid light. GPS is fine but every smartphone out there come with GPS too !
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and how exactly does the bootloader connect to the safety of your device ? just watch what ure dling ..
xilw3r said:
and how exactly does the bootloader connect to the safety of your device ? just watch what ure dling ..
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It let you to install a clean copy of the latest software and why not another completely new and different operative system.
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It let you to install a clean copy of the latest software and why not another completely new and different operative system.
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im sorry but i STILL dont understand how this connects to safety :X (if by safety you mean malware from infected apps.....)
xilw3r said:
im sorry but i STILL dont understand how this connects to safety :X (if by safety you mean malware from infected apps.....)
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Yes, he means that. There are some security issues in past Android versions, but in Gingerbread those issues shouldn't have any effect.
Briefly, on the security topic... I've been wondering about malware in an app I use, but didn't know where to ask about it. Traffic Counter app tracks your usage of minutes, data, wifi, and texts. I started using because I have limited data, and 1500 text messages. Since I started using this app I have been flooded with text messages and emails from my carrier about their unlimited text message plan and their 2GB data plans. Is this the malware security issue?
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Briefly, on the security topic... I've been wondering about malware in an app I use, but didn't know where to ask about it. Traffic Counter app tracks your usage of minutes, data, wifi, and texts. I started using because I have limited data, and 1500 text messages. Since I started using this app I have been flooded with text messages and emails from my carrier about their unlimited text message plan and their 2GB data plans. Is this the malware security issue?
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I'd say yes, the famous spyware, wich sends information to your carrier about you and your preferences or "needs", so your carrier offers you something you may be interested on.
Of course that's not with the intention of damaging you (maybe...), but the point is that they're spying you
@agentjbm
I would say that if you are getting those from your carrier now then you could call them about it. They usually have an opt out for receiving messages from your carrier.
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Yes, I already asked them to stop. Outside of the nuisance of multiple messages I don't see the major "security issue". In fact, I prefer target marketing to mass marketing. As long as it is something that could be of interest to me, I don't mind it.
THIS Forum has helped me tremendously, This Question has been asked by ME and some other people, and I would like to share how I accomplished this Task.. Thanks for all of the useful info in the Q&A section..With out it i would have never have figured it out!! Hope this helps some!
First Off Google Search and download QPST 2.7 build 323
Install QPST
On your phones dialer: *#*#8778#*#*
Once the menu pops up select "Modem" on the bottom "USB" section
If on windows 7, Navigate to: stat menu >Control Panel>Device manager> PORTS>Samsung Mobile Modem...GET THE "COM##"
"Example Mine is COM39."
Go Start -> (All) Programs -> QPST -> QPST Configuration. Go Start -> (All) Programs -> QPST -> QPST Configuration.
"Add Port" - and input your COM#
Select your Device and Select "OK"
Open QSPT > Service Programing, Select your device
Navigate to the ROAM Tab, In the preferred Roaming section You can now Browse and select the PRL of your Choice.
I use the hybrid PRLs in the HTC evo Threads.
Select "write to phone."
If you want to Revert back to Sprint PRLs Here is a Link for Current and older Sprint PRLs
http://cid-eabe29f3770d8d15.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/PRLs
Phone should reboot and you are ready to rock and roll. Look under the about phone section to confirm your PRL has indeed changed.
I would Like to say this is not anything I have made up. I browsed multiple forums and sections to figure this out. All i did was simply write what worked for me. I hope Some of you peps can find this helpful. Thanks to everyone who responded to my posts in the Q&A section!
As Always Practice with care!!
I find this very helpful! I started a thread asking about this just today! So -this is awesome! Would you mind linking to a prl you have had success with?
Good on ya bro.
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I wanted to come back and state what should be obvious - but was not to me. When you are doing working on your prl you need to go back into *#*#8778#*#* and set it to pda/pda
After I did the above I thought I really jacked something up bc I could no longer use adb. then remembered that I had switched to modem/modem. I wrongly assumed a reboot would just change that back. I almost completely wiped and re-installed everything.
Well written tutorial my friend
Uncle Jimmy says hello
How do I do this on a Mac....sigh.....
What exactly does this so?
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gmap516 said:
What exactly does this so?
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What he said?
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Manually change your prl, you can force your phone to connect to verizon towers first if you're in a weak sprint zone
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StormCell said:
How do I do this on a Mac....sigh.....
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Sell your Mac and buy a windows PC
Can't you run a windows VM in Mac os and do all of this?
If you use Verizon's towers to much (aka roam) with this Hybrid PRL method Sprint WILL drop you.. it has happened to a few EVO owners.
Fair warning to all.
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If you use Verizon's towers to much (aka roam) with this Hybrid PRL method Sprint WILL drop you.. it has happened to a few EVO owners.
Fair warning to all.
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Can u provide more insight into this? How much is too much? When sprint drops u, do u mean they just drop ur phone from using their prl? My sprint signal near home is super weak and being able to jump on verizon would be stellar.
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p00kienrayray said:
Can u provide more insight into this? How much is too much? When sprint drops u, do u mean they just drop ur phone from using their prl? My sprint signal near home is super weak and being able to jump on verizon would be stellar.
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I mean they cancel your contract and say see ya!
Guess its a good way to get out of your contract without the ETF. But after reading that hybrid prl's only increases your coverage and not your data speed, i'm not sure if i'll be using it. I get full bars where I live, just slow data speeds.
p00kienrayray said:
Guess its a good way to get out of your contract without the ETF. But after reading that hybrid prl's only increases your coverage and not your data speed, i'm not sure if i'll be using it. I get full bars where I live, just slow data speeds.
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I tested my data before the prl hack and averaged 100kbs. I tested my data speeds after flashing the 00001 prl and averaged 800kbs.
so I did see an increase in data speeds.
Hmmm, interesting. Maybe I will take a look into it then.
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I tested my data before the prl hack and averaged 100kbs. I tested my data speeds after flashing the 00001 prl and averaged 800kbs.
so I did see an increase in data speeds.
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The increase in data speeds is likely because you're pulling it off Verizon's 3G instead of Sprint's... What I said still applies, just a FYI.
So do ppl just leave it hanging while the hybrid prl is sucking in Verizon's 3g? Or do they turn it on and off to avoid sprint dropping them?
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p00kienrayray said:
So do ppl just leave it hanging while the hybrid prl is sucking in Verizon's 3g? Or do they turn it on and off to avoid sprint dropping them?
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There is no easy off/on switch other then reflashing a non hybrid prl.
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So do ppl just leave it hanging while the hybrid prl is sucking in Verizon's 3g? Or do they turn it on and off to avoid sprint dropping them?
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I just did it bc I am a nerd and I wanted to try it. I am to chicken to continue the use of the hack prl. I may flash it sometimes if I "desperately" need faster data for something -but I have already flashed back to the latest sprint prl 01115 i think it is.
once you have figured out how to do it -and done it a couple of times - it just takes 2 minutes. the hardest part (as always) is finding the stuff and installing it and then a little bit of figuring out. First attempt was scary. Next couple of times -not so scary. Now -just like flashing a rom.
Sprint can drop you for excessive roaming.
Simply said, Just use this hack if you absolutely need it. The ROAMING RULE IS, It takes away from your anytime minutes, and only 300mbs of roaming data a month. Hence Sprint can and may cancel your contract early.
FOR ME I HAVE RAN INTO NO PROBLEMS, so your outcome may be different so practice with care. I only use it because it is beneficial for me, and for many people as well, just check the EVO DEV Tread.
BUT SAME COULD BE SAID FOR TETHERING YOUR DEVICE, sprint also could reserve the right to cancel your contract...Have any of you heard of CIQ? Believe it or not sprint already knows your rooted and what firmware-ROM u are running exactly- In Fact i have first hand experience in actually knowing so. Long Story how but I do!
Rule of thumb practice with care you will be alright
SOME PEPS have more of a Inside connect so i personally don't worry as much as some peps
GPS data retrieval not working when LTE activated?
Noticed this when inside building and requesting GPS location.
Anybody else experiencing this problem?
Note: I also notice the GPS lock icon coming on every 15 minutes, searching for location for up to 2 minutes at a time. App info for this notification: system UI.
Not sure if serious
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Not sure if serious
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Connect to LTE on ur Nexus 4 try it, my brother tried it on his Nexus 4, same issue.
Just to clarify this is "GSM/LTE", not "LTE only".
Rogers network/Canada
I was unable to place calls on "LTE only" (also not sure why)
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Not sure if serious
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There's been some discussion in this thread about issues with LTE and GPS.
1) Turn off LTE
2) Leave LTE off
3) Stop obsessing with LTE
Seriously tho, why does everyone have a hardon for LTE?
Taijohnsen said:
1) Turn off LTE
2) Leave LTE off
3) Stop obsessing with LTE
Seriously tho, why does everyone have a hardon for LTE?
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30-70mbps... Ask yourself why? It's literally light speed. I got 60-something Mbps down the other day.
I'm having the same issue. Gps locks on 3g just fine but doesn't seem get locked on 4g.
Yea really wishing somebody could find a fix to this.. There is an underlying reason
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Yea really wishing somebody could find a fix to this.. There is an underlying reason
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Its the same reason for why the other things in 4.2.2 don't work with the old radios, the device isn't supposed to have LTE, Google purposely broke things to stop you from using it.
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Its the same reason for why the other things in 4.2.2 don't work with the old radios, the device isn't supposed to have LTE, Google purposely broke things to stop you from using it.
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Bro sometimes u seem like a big advocate of restrictions.
There is always a fix especially in the developing world of Android, it's just nobody has bothered because many areas don't have LTE or because whoever is using a fix, didn't make it public. Period.
Who gives a **** what the phone is "supposed to have" what it does have is a band-4 LTE chip. PERIOD.
Hardware is hardware.
"Oh hey I have a lambo with 500hp which is governor at 120kmh max speed, because you're not supposed to drive over the speed limit." - I'm sorry but in this case people would remove the governor and drive faster.
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Bro sometimes u seem like a big advocate of restrictions.
There is always a fix especially in the developing world of Android, it's just nobody has bothered because many areas don't have LTE or because whoever is using a fix, didn't make it public. Period.
Who gives a **** what the phone is "supposed to have" what it does have is a band-4 LTE chip. PERIOD.
Hardware is hardware.
"Oh hey I have a lambo with 500hp which is governor at 120kmh max speed, because you're not supposed to drive over the speed limit." - I'm sorry but in this case people would remove the governor and drive faster.
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You're right, except that the problems are in closed source modules, if you want to try your hand at hex editing them and fixing the problems, go ahead, otherwise you should use the phone as it was designed or live with the problems that come with using it in a way it wasn't designed.
Hey all. Recently switched to T-Mobile and got the G2. I immediately rooted it to customize things how I wanted them. Everything I have been doing has been with WiFi enabled. I never turn it off, honestly. In just about 10 days, I hit my 3 gig data cap, and have no idea how. I was rooted, and thought my Rom could be part of the reason, so I KDZ flashed back to stock. Now all my data usage is wiped, but obviously still at data cap. Is there anyway I could take it into the store? It's going to look really bad on my end when I tell them I factory reset my phone because I hit data cap, but it just doesn't make sense. I never came anywhere close to 3 gigs of data on Verizon, and that was a whole months use with not much WiFi involved. A bit irritated right now.... any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
There is a separate data usage tab for WiFi & mobile data. Are you sure you were on the right one?
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There is a separate data usage tab for WiFi & mobile data. Are you sure you were on the right one?
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Yeah, I got the text from tmobile letting me know I'd be throttled...
I had this happen to me a few months back when I was on a T-mobile stock rom... if you have a custom recovery installed and aren't on the latest OTA update it will download the update, fail file verification and re-download the file... I blew through 2gb in one afternoon.
Here is the link to the post and the solution if this is your issue.
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I had this happen to me a few months back when I was on a T-mobile stock rom... if you have a custom recovery installed and aren't on the latest OTA update it will download the update, fail file verification and re-download the file... I blew through 2gb in one afternoon.
Here is the link to the post and the solution if this is your issue.
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I was on slimkat with twrp, so doubt it was the issue. It's quite possible though, so thank you for the link. I'm pretty sure that going into the tmobile store would be a waste of my time...
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Yeah, I got the text from tmobile letting me know I'd be throttled...
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They won't help you or restore your data speed, you can upgrade to a higher limit if that's an option for you. Your limit can be filled a little easy if you use social media sites, G+ uses about 1gbs/month for me.
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I got on the 50 buck plan unlimited everything.. Just no upgrade for phones
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