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I am very interested in the galaxy tab but I am wondering if it makes and receives calls on the carrier networks, namely verizon. I am one of the people who will lug the tablet around as my main phone. I see the phone app on the pictures around the net but I have yet to see it stated anywhere.
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You will be sad to know the for the North American Tab the Phone/ Voice has bin removed from the list of options thats is being shipped from from Samsung. In the press conference today they stated that.
If they kept the microphone, this is Dev worthy.
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If they kept the microphone, this is Dev worthy.
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no joke! i hope someone can get ahold of one of these ASAP and take it apart to see if it has the hardware.
I read somwhere that you just have to have a bluetooth or regular headset.
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I'm hoping this is just a software thing for having the phone feature disabled on the US version of the Tab.
Imagine the looks you would get holding a 7inch tablet to your ear? LOL. Well a wireless headset or a set of earphones is in serious need. Hopefully the devs here can sort something out if the tab has the hardware for it.
it does have 3G voice and data hardware
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab-3370.php
but as you said, yes people will look at you extremely weird face LOL
AllGamer said:
it does have 3G voice and data hardware
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab-3370.php
but as you said, yes people will look at you extremely weird face LOL
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Well that is awesome then, I will go back to the idea of me wanting one again... Ill use my g1 until a modded rom comes out if one isnt out by the time it releases stateside...
I dont plan on holding it to my head during a call even though I might just to be funny..lol.. i barely use my phone (for voice calls) which is why im so concerned with merging it into my tablet because it would be just an app for me... which is the way I like it.
Every review I've read of the US-based versions of the Galaxy Tab (for AT&T/Verizon/Sprint) has said that the Tab will NOT work as a phone.
(sorry, newbie post so I can't post full URL...endgaget has the story)
Skype and other VOIP services work, but not regular EDGE/3G phone calls. Combined with the so-far announced pricing from the major carriers absolutely kills any desire for a Tab vs. either an iPad or a Dell Streak. I'm hopiing that some vendor will make a 7-9" tablet/phone combination in the near future.
That's the American version of the GT. The European and Asian GT DOES HAVE calling/3G functionality.
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Every review I've read of the US-based versions of the Galaxy Tab (for AT&T/Verizon/Sprint) has said that the Tab will NOT work as a phone.
(sorry, newbie post so I can't post full URL...endgaget has the story)
Skype and other VOIP services work, but not regular EDGE/3G phone calls. Combined with the so-far announced pricing from the major carriers absolutely kills any desire for a Tab vs. either an iPad or a Dell Streak. I'm hopiing that some vendor will make a 7-9" tablet/phone combination in the near future.
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That's the American version of the GT. The European and Asian GT DOES HAVE calling/3G functionality.
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So, if I understand this correctly (?) unlike the iPad where it's 3G cannot use voice but only data, the G-Tab Euro version can connect via voice and make calls, but the US version cannot.... Does this mean the US (north American) model lacks the hardware? I am asking because the voice calling is important to me and I have ordered an unlocked US version but maybe I should go for the Euro version?
Euro tab - no 3g in USA but it has voice capability
Has tab - data and sms/mms and no voice capability
Pick your poison muchachos.
I am personally think about the Sprint version with 2gb/m for 399.99 and 29.99/m.
Why wont the Euro version have 3g? The unlocked Euro version from cellhut and Negrielectronics have everything we need. Should just pop in my AT&T SIM and off I go.
negrielectronics.com/samsung-p1000-galaxy-tab-3g-850-1900-2100-oem-unlocked
cellhut.com/Samsung-P1000-Galaxy-Tab-Unlocked-Quadband-GSM-Cell-Phone-Reviews-29956
If the tab has 3g radios, wouldn't there be a way to transfer voice over it? Of course some hacking would be needed, but i'm sure there is a way. If not, couldn't one just tether to the tab with a phone and then use that to make calls over a "wifi" signal?
To answer to the two previous posts:
Unless the Tab has the ability to change 3G bands (Like its cousins phones from Samsung line), the European version won't be able to have 3G over AT&T (Maybe T-Mobile if I recall well, not sure). However some other versions may be able to do so (The version from Telstra should have the right radio for instance and hopefully voice calls enabled)
Then... hopefully we may not be limited to VoIP on the US Tabs... I hope Samsung didn't really castrate the Tabs here and limitation is just a Software limitation. Just flashing the right Firmware / ROM could restore this function (But then you'll need a different plan than the one your carrier will let you subscribe)
All in all my plan (and hope) is we'll be able to enable the voice calls on the US versions. I'll buy it with no plan and will switch it with my TP2. If not... Then I'll be looking for a version elsewhere in the world that has the proper 3G bands and voice enabled
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Why wont the Euro version have 3g? The unlocked Euro version from cellhut and Negrielectronics have everything we need. Should just pop in my AT&T SIM and off I go.
negrielectronics.com/samsung-p1000-galaxy-tab-3g-850-1900-2100-oem-unlocked
cellhut.com/Samsung-P1000-Galaxy-Tab-Unlocked-Quadband-GSM-Cell-Phone-Reviews-29956
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That's my thought as well. I purchased the HTC HD2 and used it w/o problem on ATT for more than a year even tho ATT never did specifically support it (which meant I could only get Edge speed - but the GT has 1900 UMTS and the full range of ATT voice GSM freq so it should work OK.
i bought the tab in germany and calling even without headset is very good.
the speaker quality is very good. makes it a brilliant conference phone
I seriously hope that the it is just a software lock because buying a the overseas version vs the u.s. Is a huge price difference , looking at the frequencies of tmobile u.s.a will the overseas version work on 3G here even though tmobile is 1700/2100 ?
When I use aDialer I press # and the number I try to call and it cuts off music and for a second a call icon pops up like something is trying to make a call then ends. If I dont hit # first then it doesn't even try to make the call
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according to the specs in gsmarena,there is no voice communication function on this device. this is a sad news for us. anyway, can we enable it with connecting a bluetooth headset?
Although I don't have the specific specs sitting in front of me, the tab will likely have the same restrictions that where placed on the US version of the Galaxy Tab (1?).
It will likely require a European rom with the voice capabilities enabled. This is something that all (for the time being) US tabs are going to have to go through, as I guess samsung feels it is to dangerous to allow us dumb Americans to hold it up to our ear and talk (WHO DOES THAT ANYWAY?!)
Personally, I have flashed a new rom and kernel to my galaxy tab (TMOUSA) and use it as my phone (HD2 sim card w/voice+data) and after about another week of testing will be canceling my data plan on the tab all together. (Or when 3g+voice gets finished.) Seems more logical to cancel the data for the 200 fee than pay for a data line I'm not using for another 1.5 years.
So don't count voice out just yet. If the devs at the 7" tab figure out a 3g+voice modem... I can pretty much promise it will happen for the 10.1.
ps. I checked the post on GSMArena and didn't see anywhere on the specs that it had 0 voice capabilities.
I hope that this nice guy will have voice, I returned my SGT 1 to buy this hopefull within the next two month and want to use it as my primary phone, with a bluetooth headset and the SE Liveview as extention, by specs it should be possible to get voice or am I wrong?
GSM band 850/900/1800/1900 is the normal phone band ?!
well seeing all the dissappointing specs from the xoom, i'd go for this one. however, i am not sure worried about it not supporting voice (the previous had one) but if honeycomb supports it. On the xoom so far i haven't seen a single phone icon or program for calling.
And i really want honeycomb..not crappy ugly old android
Any news about phone capability?
I'm looking for a tablet and I need a tablet that can call!
Dou youn know any other 10" tablet that can make phone(and videocall)?
I don't know: Motorola, Acer, Asus, Lg and so on?
DJ Palmis said:
Any news about phone capability?
I'm looking for a tablet and I need a tablet that can call!
Dou youn know any other 10" tablet that can make phone(and videocall)?
I don't know: Motorola, Acer, Asus, Lg and so on?
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The current USA 8.9/10.1 versions that have been announced do not have voice call capabilities. There's no news on European ones other than the Vodaphone UK 10.1v version.
omnia1994 said:
according to the specs in gsmarena,there is no voice communication function on this device. this is a sad news for us. anyway, can we enable it with connecting a bluetooth headset?
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Just pairing a bluetooth headset doesn't magically allow it to make calls over GSM. It has to be a hardware/software combination that's also enabled by the carrier to allow voice calls.
Thank you for your help.. But just today I read on an italian blog that there are hopes that they will allow voice calls: http://technologydroid.blogspot.com/2011/03/galaxy-tab-101-e-89-con-tw-40-posso.html
Well.. I cross my fingers..
Testing out the Galaxy Tab S2 4G LTE version. So far I will be keeping the Tab S2! I wasn't going to upgrade from my Tab S, but after these last two days of using it on the road, it is a premium tablet! Samsung has come a long way from previous builds, not that I didn't like them just has stepped up.
Here is a look at the Galaxy Tab S2 4G LTE, it is a bit long as I was testing out the 4G LTE with Verizon SIM and AT&T. Also some web browsing and overall look.
https://youtu.be/d3MTP96DHf0
good to see folks having the lte version..still waiting for my 8 inch version cellular version (use on att)...great effort nice video..thanks!
it's good to have a tablet with the phone features, though sometimes it feels not so convenient as a phone.
nice video.
beingbq said:
it's good to have a tablet with the phone features, though sometimes it feels not so convenient as a phone.
nice video.
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With Google Voice, pretty much anything with access to the internet and a microphone can place calls and receive them. It does come in handy at times.
Honestly i don't see much a point for a tablet to place calls outside of google voice, because that would mean you have a separate phone number.
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good to see folks having the lte version..still waiting for my 8 inch version cellular version (use on att)...great effort nice video..thanks!
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Thank you...
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beingbq said:
it's good to have a tablet with the phone features, though sometimes it feels not so convenient as a phone.
nice video.
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Thanks... Yes this wouldn't be as convenient to use as a phone, but would work if someone wanted to use a Bluetooth headset and a Smartwatch.
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Brittany_Menton said:
With Google Voice, pretty much anything with access to the internet and a microphone can place calls and receive them. It does come in handy at times.
Honestly i don't see much a point for a tablet to place calls outside of google voice, because that would mean you have a separate phone number.
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Yes I don't think I would use the tablet as a phone, maybe only as backup with a Bluetooth headset. Maybe I can see using it in the car as a phone where you can pair it your car or just use the Bluetooth headset.
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ElCamino said:
Yes I don't think I would use the tablet as a phone, maybe only as backup with a Bluetooth headset. Maybe I can see using it in the car as a phone where you can pair it your car or just use the Bluetooth headset.
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I have the tab s 8.4 lte version and when my S6 was sent in for repairs, I used the tablet as a phone. It was great! The size wasn't that bad to hold up and with the built in ear speaker, I may have looked weird talking on it but it worked just fine. More so, I purchased the LTE version because its great to have Data anywhere.
Also got the the LTE version. You can also whatsapp on it. It basically a giant S6
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Also got the the LTE version. You can also whatsapp on it. It basically a giant S6
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What carrier you using your Tab S2? I call my Tab S2 9.7 the big Note 5++ ?
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Just got mine today. Took the ATT sim out of my ipad air 2 and slipped it in and it shows the network bars but wont connect to any data. 4G lte worked fine in the air 2. It is an add on line for our mobile family plan. I guess I need to call att and have them provision the sim for the S2? The sim out of my S6 active works fine it the S2.
EDIT: Ok they set it up with the new imei and it is working fine now with just one issue. It shows 4G and not lte like it did with the sim out of my S6. It is getting the same LTE speeds as my S6 it just wont show actual LTE like it did with the sim from the S6. Doesn't bother me just kind of odd.
@ElCamino, thanks for the detailed unboxing and review!
Samsung has like 100 variants of these tablets, each with a different band support configuration. Can you please list the full Samsung model number (including all the letters past the 815...) and its FCC ID (if there is one) of this imported model?
How do I access the phone call feature on my AT&T LTE 9.7 in version ? Don't see an icon or anything to make calls or is calling limited to certain tablets ?
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I do not think carrier versions have calling function that is cellular..this is standard practice as on t705/707?, t325/320 etc...the carriers fault...not Samsung's just as iPad has no cellular calling just data capability..same as t335/337?, t230/231?/235/237? and so on....
I may have carrier model numbers wrong but my point remains
You need international version for cellular calling
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ProStreetCamaro said:
Just got mine today. Took the ATT sim out of my ipad air 2 and slipped it in and it shows the network bars but wont connect to any data. 4G lte worked fine in the air 2. It is an add on line for our mobile family plan. I guess I need to call att and have them provision the sim for the S2? The sim out of my S6 active works fine it the S2.
EDIT: Ok they set it up with the new imei and it is working fine now with just one issue. It shows 4G and not lte like it did with the sim out of my S6. It is getting the same LTE speeds as my S6 it just wont show actual LTE like it did with the sim from the S6. Doesn't bother me just kind of odd.
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Make sure the SIM is provision for LTE. For a Galaxy Note 5 that I had done a video for, it would only stay at H+, called and they changed it on their end. In the Tab S2 I have, it shows 4G at top but checking in settings, about devices, status. I can see that it shows its on LTE.
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@ElCamino, thanks for the detailed unboxing and review!
Samsung has like 100 variants of these tablets, each with a different band support configuration. Can you please list the full Samsung model number (including all the letters past the 815...) and its FCC ID (if there is one) of this imported model?
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For model number it only shows SM-T815 and FCC A3LS MT 815.
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Just a few comments in defense of calling capability in a tablet.
There are several reasons you might want this:
1. You are carrying around a tablet and a smart phone, why not just carry one device, a tablet?
2. Smart phones are too small, you need something bigger for your eyes.
3. Your new vehicle demands a phone connection and you constantly forget your phone, both at home and in the vehicle. You plan to install a small tablet for a phone & also other uses so it is there permanently.
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1. No where is there a law that says your phone must be held up to your head. In fact, it is probably better that you don't do that (radiation). Modern technology allows other ways of communicating.
2. T-Mobile has the 'DIGITS' feature in progress where 1 number (your number) can be used for multiple devices. Hence NO NEED to get a second number.
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Just a few comments in defense of calling capability in a tablet.
There are several reasons you might want this:
1. You are carrying around a tablet and a smart phone, why not just carry one device, a tablet?
2. Smart phones are too small, you need something bigger for your eyes.
3. Your new vehicle demands a phone connection and you constantly forget your phone, both at home and in the vehicle. You plan to install a small tablet for a phone & also other uses so it is there permanently.
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1. No where is there a law that says your phone must be held up to your head. Modern technology allows other ways of communicating.
2. T-Mobile has the 'DIGITS' feature in progress where 1 number (your number) can be used for multiple devices. Hence NO NEED to get a second number.
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I have the T719 and it is my only phone at the moment! I am liking having a large device for my apps and internet, and the only really hurdles have been not being able to pocket the device, and calls in public can be cumbersome without a headset. But in the car with Bluetooth it's exactly the same, and it's not an issue at home at all.
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I have the T719 and it is my only phone at the moment! I am liking having a large device for my apps and internet, and the only really hurdles have been not being able to pocket the device, and calls in public can be cumbersome without a headset. But in the car with Bluetooth it's exactly the same, and it's not an issue at home at all.
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What is the exact model of your T719 including the letter if any after the 719? I am still looking for a model to install in my car to use as the car phone, same number as all devices using T-Mobile Digits.
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What is the exact model of your T719 including the letter if any after the 719? I am still looking for a model to install in my car to use as the car phone, same number as all devices using T-Mobile Digits.
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It's simply SM-T719, no carrier affiliation at all. It isn't sold in the U.S. except online. The guy I got it from gave me the link to a great site that ships to the U.S. very quickly. It's in another thread here, couldn't find it just now but will find it if you're interested ? Oh, and it seems to have full Penta band LTE, so it even supports T-Mobile perfectly. Between all that, and the snapdragon processor. I couldn't be happier with it.
Guys
I am a bit disappointed with the reviews on line.
Lots of people wrote lots of reviews, specs, etc….
Everyone failed to mentioned that the S-7 edge CANNOT do data and voice at the same time using Sprint network.
What am I missing? How come this was overlooked by everyone or failed to mentioned.
I belie eths is a very important performance issue for people thinking to upgrade (downgrade) their current phones.
I have a note 3 and I can be on WAZE, talk on the phone and get text simultaneously with the same sprint plan as my S7 edge which cannot do that.
I spoke to Samsung tech department and Sprint tech department in a nut shell they both agree that the S7 cannot do that.
I thought you guys should know.
The S7 is a downgrade in functionality to many older phones like a note 3
PS Note 7 has the same problem and possibly many others phones relying on the LTE network with sprint provider.
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Guys
I am a bit disappointed with the reviews on line.
Lots of people wrote lots of reviews, specs, etc….
Everyone failed to mentioned that the S-7 edge CANNOT do data and voice at the same time using Sprint network.
What am I missing? How come this was overlooked by everyone or failed to mentioned.
I belie eths is a very important performance issue for people thinking to upgrade (downgrade) their current phones.
I have a note 3 and I can be on WAZE, talk on the phone and get text simultaneously with the same sprint plan as my S7 edge which cannot do that.
I spoke to Samsung tech department and Sprint tech department in a nut shell they both agree that the S7 cannot do that.
I thought you guys should know.
The S7 is a downgrade in functionality to many older phones like a note 3
PS Note 7 has the same problem and possibly many others phones relying on the LTE network with sprint provider.
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Yeah, this has been an issue since the days of the newer model S4's. The problem is that the newer Sprint phones (probably in the last 3 years) don't have two separate radios like your note 3 or my old S3 and allowed for data and voice simultaneously. This is an issue with CDMA carriers mostly. Verizon allows both voice and data simultaneously over VoLTE, but there is a catch. If you are in a non-LTE area (3g/1x) you lose the function. Additionally, if you are on a call and leave a LTE area and transition to a 3g/1x area, you lose the call completely. Sprint hasn't turn on VoLTE because the hand off technology doesn't prevent this yet. I can't remember 100%, but I believe you only hand voice and data together on older phones if you were in an LTE area because of the different antennas...might be wrong on this one.
GSM carriers are a different story...no issues there.
Hope this helps...but this has been an ongoing issue. I can use google maps and talk at the same time...strange that Waze can't do that.
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Yeah, this has been an issue since the days of the newer model S4's. The problem is that the newer Sprint phones (probably in the last 3 years) don't have two separate radios like your note 3 or my old S3 and allowed for data and voice simultaneously. This is an issue with CDMA carriers mostly. Verizon allows both voice and data simultaneously over VoLTE, but there is a catch. If you are in a non-LTE area (3g/1x) you lose the function. Additionally, if you are on a call and leave a LTE area and transition to a 3g/1x area, you lose the call completely. Sprint hasn't turn on VoLTE because the hand off technology doesn't prevent this yet. I can't remember 100%, but I believe you only hand voice and data together on older phones if you were in an LTE area because of the different antennas...might be wrong on this one.
GSM carriers are a different story...no issues there.
Hope this helps...but this has been an ongoing issue. I can use google maps and talk at the same time...strange that Waze can't do that.
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That is news to me I am used to my note 3 and I can basically do anything I want text data waze etc never had to think about it. I returned my first S7 edge (I ws within my 14 days) because I thought it was deffective go figure. I just got yesterday the replacement and I.have not open it yet. Dont know what to do. Are there any new phones out there that can still so that ?
PS I noticed first time when I was driving with waze and talking on the phone and tried to alert people of a policemen the phone told me no internet service thats how I find out never before with my note 3 had that issue .
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Guys i am so upset and in disbelieve that everyone using sprint is fine with the fact that the phone only single task. Its basically BS big time. I guess I will run my note 3 to the ground. Its beyond my normal understanding why the consumers will purchase something with less capabilities than the one before. My fellows friends enjoy the S7 I just can't justify it.
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Tungsten c said:
That is news to me I am used to my note 3 and I can basically do anything I want text data waze etc never had to think about it. I returned my first S7 edge (I ws within my 14 days) because I thought it was deffective go figure. I just got yesterday the replacement and I.have not open it yet. Dont know what to do. Are there any new phones out there that can still so that ?
PS I noticed first time when I was driving with waze and talking on the phone and tried to alert people of a policemen the phone told me no internet service thats how I find out never before with my note 3 had that issue .
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So you were driving, talking on the phone, and trying to play around with the waze app at the same time? Maybe the lack of simultaneous data and voice is what you need
Maybe but many times I am out on a site and a customer calls with a questiion and during the phone call I text my field engineer the location in question and also the customer sent a plan sheet via email and that my friend its how I pay for my toys. With the S7 I have to hang up. With a phone 3 generations back I don't (Note 3).
Industry uses the term upgrade very loosely.
Why should I/you pay over 700 dollars for a device that provides less . Maybe I just don't understand the word upgrade.
But at the very least this forum and manny other forum should note that fact on the reviews.
And don't forget nonroot on top of that.
Please understand I had a Note 3 for a long time I never would have thought that multitasking was going to be an issue. In fact stupid of me I returned my first S7 edge within the 14 days because I thought it was defective. I read lots of reviews but no warning.
Go Note 3.
PS while I am messing around with this just got an email from the client.... you can't
This issue affects pretty much all the handsets released through Sprint in the past couple of years. It is not limited to the S7.
Until such time as Sprint implements VoLTE on its network this will continue to be an issue. Sprint is the only one of the four major carriers not to have implemented VoLTE yet.
myphone12345 said:
This issue affects pretty much all the handsets released through Sprint in the past couple of years. It is not limited to the S7.
Until such time as Sprint implements VoLTE on its network this will continue to be an issue. Sprint is the only one of the four major carriers not to have implemented VoLTE yet.
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Does anyone know why the remove the cdma antenna from all phones? It seems to me that even when VoLTE its implemented we will have to pay for the service. Now its included. Also are there any recent phones being made with the dual antenna?
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Does anyone know why the remove the cdma antenna from all phones? It seems to me that even when VoLTE its implemented we will have to pay for the service. Now its included. Also are there any recent phones being made with the dual antenna?
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They did remove any antennas. They are no longer putting secondary transceivers to support the phone being connected to two different networks at the same time. The main reason this was done is due to the large number of bands phones have to support nowadays.
When VoLTE is implemented there will not be an additional cost.
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They did remove any antennas. They are no longer putting secondary transceivers to support the phone being connected to two different networks at the same time. The main reason this was done is due to the large number of bands phones have to support nowadays.
When VoLTE is implemented there will not be an additional cost.
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You know what it is amazing to me...we loose service and no one cares and yet the consumer its willing to pay top price for hardwarw that provides less services regardless of the reason. I have a note 3 with super connectivity which in my opinion it's the main reason to have a mobile device.
So I am looking to buy an international (or Latin) version of either the S10+ or the Note 10+.
I am on T-Mobile in the U.S.
1. How "bad" will it be if the phone has 3 out of T-Mobile's main bands? It only lacks 71, so what's the impact will be if I don't have band 71 on this phone with T-Mobile?
2. I read in the forum about flashing T-Mobile firmware on unlocked phones. How necessary is it? I prefer not to mess with flashing anything; done it in the past, I am not 'afraid' of it, but I just don't feel like going that route. Will I be missing anything from the T-Mobile network and services if I keep the phone in its stock ROM?
For example: Wifi Calling (important to me), VoLTE, etc. Will I have access to these features if I don't flash the carrier's firmware?
Thank you.
Band 71 is used only in rural areas where cell towers are very far apart . My phones have never used band 71. If you don't know what bands your phone typically is using you can download a free signal app from the Play Store that will show what band your phone is connected to. Unless you live in a very rural area or frequently find yourself in rural areas it's unlikely you need band 71.
Flashing T-Mobile firmware shouldn't be necessary. I don't have the international S10+ but rather the US unlocked model and I get both WiFi Calling and Volte fine without T-Mobile firmware.
I've used many different models of international unlocked phones from Xiaomi and Huawei on T-Mobile and always got both WiFi Calling and Volte to work with only one exception--the Mate 20 Pro. I had to get rid of that phone even though I really liked it because calls kept going to voicemail without the phone ever ringing first.
It turns out that on T-Mobile if your phone supports band 12 it also needs to support Volte or calls go straight to voicemail without ringing if the caller is using Volte . I never had that problem previously because in 5 years of using international unlocked phones the M20P was the first where Volte didn't work on T-Mobile.
There were lots of posts from T-Mobile customers in the XDA M20P threads about calls going straight to voicemail. I haven't read a single post about that issue with the S10+ so it's pretty safe to assume that the international S10+ works fine with Volte on T-Mobile.
Until the S8 Samsung didn't even sell a US unlocked model--everyone in the US with unlocked Samsung phones were using the international models with the Exynos chip and those phones always worked perfectly with T-Mobile which is very BYOP friendly (unlike AT&T).
The only thing you would be missing on the vanilla Samsung firmware is Visual Voicemail but last I checked you could just download the official T-Mobile Visual Voicemail app from the Play Store.
You would also receive your OTA updates from Samsung rather than T-Mobile but that's actually a plus because the unlocked Exynos models receive updates much more quickly than all of the US models including the unlocked Snapdragon models.
Sorry for the very long answer but I wanted to be thorough.
You should be fine with an international unlocked S10+ on T-Mobile. This is a much better phone than unlocked models from Google Pixel and One Plus so I would recommend going for it.
No manual flashing on your part will be necessary.
@jhs39 - Thank you for your extensive response. It is greatly appreciated!
OK, so I mostly use Band 4 with my current phone, which is one of TMB's main bands, so it seems like that indeed the lack of 71 won't be an issue.
However, how do I know if the Int. version will support VoLTE on the TMB network? I can't see anywhere any information about this phone even supports VoLTE (other than the carrier's model of course).
What about Video Calling?
Thanks again.
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@jhs39 - Thank you for your extensive response. It is greatly appreciated!
OK, so I mostly use Band 4 with my current phone, which is one of TMB's main bands, so it seems like that indeed the lack of 71 won't be an issue.
However, how do I know if the Int. version will support VoLTE on the TMB network? I can't see anywhere any information about this phone even supports VoLTE (other than the carrier's model of course).
What about Video Calling?
Thanks again.
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If the international model didn't support Volte on T-Mobile there would be posts on XDA complaining about calls going straight to voicemail without the phone ringing. There were multiple threads about that issue in the M20P section but I haven't seen a single complaint about that happening with the S10+.
This phone has been out since early Spring so if there was a problem using the international model with T-Mobile somebody would have reported it by now.
I don’t know anything about video calling though because I use T-Mobile's network via an MVNO and my carrier doesn't offer video calling.
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Band 71 is used only in rural areas where cell towers are very far apart . My phones have never used band 71. If you don't know what bands your phone typically is using you can download a free signal app from the Play Store that will show what band your phone is connected to. Unless you live in a very rural area or frequently find yourself in rural areas it's unlikely you need band 71.
Flashing T-Mobile firmware shouldn't be necessary. I don't have the international S10+ but rather the US unlocked model and I get both WiFi Calling and Volte fine without T-Mobile firmware.
I've used many different models of international unlocked phones from Xiaomi and Huawei on T-Mobile and always got both WiFi Calling and Volte to work with only one exception--the Mate 20 Pro. I had to get rid of that phone even though I really liked it because calls kept going to voicemail without the phone ever ringing first.
It turns out that on T-Mobile if your phone supports band 12 it also needs to support Volte or calls go straight to voicemail without ringing if the caller is using Volte . I never had that problem previously because in 5 years of using international unlocked phones the M20P was the first where Volte didn't work on T-Mobile.
There were lots of posts from T-Mobile customers in the XDA M20P threads about calls going straight to voicemail. I haven't read a single post about that issue with the S10+ so it's pretty safe to assume that the international S10+ works fine with Volte on T-Mobile.
Until the S8 Samsung didn't even sell a US unlocked model--everyone in the US with unlocked Samsung phones were using the international models with the Exynos chip and those phones always worked perfectly with T-Mobile which is very BYOP friendly (unlike AT&T).
The only thing you would be missing on the vanilla Samsung firmware is Visual Voicemail but last I checked you could just download the official T-Mobile Visual Voicemail app from the Play Store.
You would also receive your OTA updates from Samsung rather than T-Mobile but that's actually a plus because the unlocked Exynos models receive updates much more quickly than all of the US models including the unlocked Snapdragon models.
Sorry for the very long answer but I wanted to be thorough.
You should be fine with an international unlocked S10+ on T-Mobile. This is a much better phone than unlocked models from Google Pixel and One Plus so I would recommend going for it.
No manual flashing on your part will be necessary.
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That's odd. I'm using a mate 20X and the although it lacks bands 66 and 71 I don't get calls going to voicemail. In fact when viewing my historical phone signal via gsam app, it shows that I always receive a better signal than even the S10+ that I'm currently using. Both devices on T-Mobile USA.
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So I am looking to buy an international (or Latin) version of either the S10+ or the Note 10+.
I am on T-Mobile in the U.S.
1. How "bad" will it be if the phone has 3 out of T-Mobile's main bands? It only lacks 71, so what's the impact will be if I don't have band 71 on this phone with T-Mobile?
2. I read in the forum about flashing T-Mobile firmware on unlocked phones. How necessary is it? I prefer not to mess with flashing anything; done it in the past, I am not 'afraid' of it, but I just don't feel like going that route. Will I be missing anything from the T-Mobile network and services if I keep the phone in its stock ROM?
For example: Wifi Calling (important to me), VoLTE, etc. Will I have access to these features if I don't flash the carrier's firmware?
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I have the Hong Kong variant SM-G975 with T-Mobile. No issues with bands, VoLTE. Wifi Calling or 4G, no impact. You won't need to flash the device.
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I have the Hong Kong variant SM-G975 with T-Mobile. No issues with bands, VoLTE. Wifi Calling or 4G, no impact. You won't need to flash the device.
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Thanks @varcor . What about Video calling?
BTW - is it 975F or something else?
I use Skype for Video Calling, it works fine. Mine is an SM-G9750, the best price I've seen is on Ebay. The only issue is when you first get the device you'll need to change the language since it's setup in Mandarin. A bit challenging but not a big deal. The Ebay vendor is in Houston which is where the device ships from, only takes a few days.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Ga...im-FACTORY-UNLOCKED-6-4-8GB-RAM-/192846270776
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I use Skype for Video Calling, it works fine. Mine is an SM-G9750, the best I've seen is on Ebay. The only issue is when you first get the device you'll need to change the language since it's setup in Mandarin. A bit challenging but not a big deal. The Ebay vendor is in Houston which is where the device ships from, only takes a few days.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Ga...im-FACTORY-UNLOCKED-6-4-8GB-RAM-/192846270776
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Oh yeah, the legendary Never MSRP.
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Yep, I've bought a number of devices from them, won't use anyone else. Lowest prices, great customer service as well.
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I use Skype for Video Calling, it works fine. Mine is an SM-G9750, the best price I've seen is on Ebay. The only issue is when you first get the device you'll need to change the language since it's setup in Mandarin. A bit challenging but not a big deal. The Ebay vendor is in Houston which is where the device ships from, only takes a few days.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Ga...im-FACTORY-UNLOCKED-6-4-8GB-RAM-/192846270776
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I must the F model. I travel to Israel with a local SIM and they use the F model, and it's the only possibility I have to use their WiFi calling while there. I am not 100% sure it'll work because of firmware but better chances with F model.
Thanks.
Limeybastard said:
That's odd. I'm using a mate 20X and the although it lacks bands 66 and 71 I don't get calls going to voicemail. In fact when viewing my historical phone signal via gsam app, it shows that I always receive a better signal than even the S10+ that I'm currently using. Both devices on T-Mobile USA.
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Not having bands 66 & 71 don't cause the problem with T-Mobile calls going straight to voicemail--if band 12 is supported on a phone T-Mobile assumes the phone also supports Volte and if it doesn't then you get calls going straight to voicemail.
I'm not familiar with the Mate 20X but before the M20P I had a P20 Pro, Mate 10 Pro and P10 Pro and none of those phones had an issue because T-Mobile Volte worked with all of them.
It's also possible the problem with the P20 Pro was fixed after I got rid of the phone since it was a firmware issue that was fixable in a software update . I kept mine for 6 months before throwing in the towel. The only workaround was to turn off 4G in the network settings. With 4G off you would receive all calls since Volte is a 4G function.
I personally love Huawei phones. Hopefully after Trump is gone all of the nonsense with Huawei being barred from using Google apps and bullied out of the US market will go away but they might decide selling their products here isn't worth the aggravation.
I've also used a bunch of unlocked Xiaomi phones on T-Mobile with no issues. A nice feature in MIUI is that if Volte doesn't work out of the box there's a dial code you can enter to manually enable it.
Band 66 is an offload for band 4 when band 4 traffic is high but if a phone doesn't have band 66 it just stays on 4 so not having 66 on an unlocked phone has never caused any problems for me.
Band 71 is only live in parts of the country and is relatively new. It can transmit a signal over unusually long distances and is used to provide cell coverage in rural areas where it would cost too much to build a full network of cell towers.
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Not having bands 66 & 71 don't cause the problem with T-Mobile calls going straight to voicemail--if band 12 is supported on a phone T-Mobile assumes the phone also supports Volte and if it doesn't then you get calls going straight to voicemail.
I'm not familiar with the Mate 20X but before the M20P I had a P20 Pro, Mate 10 Pro and P10 Pro and none of those phones had an issue because T-Mobile Volte worked with all of them.
It's also possible the problem with the P20 Pro was fixed after I got rid of the phone since it was a firmware issue that was fixable in a software update . I kept mine for 6 months before throwing in the towel. The only workaround was to turn off 4G in the network settings. With 4G off you would receive all calls since Volte is a 4G function.
I personally love Huawei phones. Hopefully after Trump is gone all of the nonsense with Huawei being barred from using Google apps and bullied out of the US market will go away but they might decide selling their products here isn't worth the aggravation.
I've also used a bunch of unlocked Xiaomi phones on T-Mobile with no issues. A nice feature in MIUI is that if Volte doesn't work out of the box there's a dial code you can enter to manually enable it.
Band 66 is an offload for band 4 when band 4 traffic is high but if a phone doesn't have band 66 it just stays on 4 so not having 66 on an unlocked phone has never caused any problems for me.
Band 71 is only live in parts of the country and is relatively new. It can transmit a signal over unusually long distances and is used to provide cell coverage in rural areas where it would cost too much to build a full network of cell towers.
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P20 pro was certified and worked fully on T-Mobile , most devices after that were not.
I don't think my mate 20x connected to band 12, but if it did, then yes it'll probably go straight to voicemail.
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sbi1 said:
I must the F model. I travel to Israel with a local SIM and they use the F model, and it's the only possibility I have to use their WiFi calling while there. I am not 100% sure it'll work because of firmware but better chances with F model.
Thanks.
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The SM-G975F is the Exynos SoC variant for Europe. The SM-G9750 has the Snapdragon SoC and dual SIM's as well. Wifi Calling will work on both devices in any region, including Israel as long as the service provider offers it. The only thing I would recommend is you do some research on Exynos vs Snapdragon SoC's in the S10. Good luck!
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The SM-G975F is the Exynos SoC variant for Europe. The SM-G9750 has the Snapdragon SoC and dual SIM's as well. Wifi Calling will work on both devices in any region, including Israel as long as the service provider offers it. The only thing I would recommend is you do some research on Exynos vs Snapdragon SoC's in the S10. Good luck!
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I am aware of the differences between the two chips.
In regards to WiFi Calling - I am a bit skeptical. This provider does have WiFi calling services, however they have a list of devices that are supported. Clearly they list devices and firmwares that they sell, not BYOD phones, and they sell the F version. I currently use ZTE Axon 7, I have WiFi calling on T-Mobile but it does not work on the Israeli network and when I try to 'register' it for this service through their app, it clearly says that the device is not supported.
That being said - I can't tell you if my phone doesn't work on their WF calling because it's not even sold in Israel. It could very well be that any version of Galaxy S10+ will be supported regardless of firmware. simply because it is sold there. Clearly there is no way to know this beforehand. I asked them, they of course can only guarantee phones that are sold by them and are on the list.
BTW - the Israeli version of the 975F is single SIM, they don't have the D/S, although I can't imagine this should have any impact of phone supporting or not supporting WF calling.
What's the difference between the F and the O, other than the region they are sold in?
Thanks.
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P20 pro was certified and worked fully on T-Mobile , most devices after that were not.
I don't think my mate 20x connected to band 12, but if it did, then yes it'll probably go straight to voicemail.
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Devices don't need to be certified by T-Mobile to work with Volte. All of my recent Xiaomi phones worked with Volte--none of the models were officially sold in the US or certified by T-Mobile. The P20 Pro was not sold in the US so there was zero reason for it to be certified by T-Mobile. The last Huawei phone officially sold here was the Mate 10 Pro. AT&T and Verizon require that devices be certified by them to work with Volte on their networks but T-Mobile does not. T-Mobile is very BYOP friendly.
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Devices don't need to be certified by T-Mobile to work with Volte. All of my recent Xiaomi phones worked with Volte--none of the models were officially sold in the US or certified by T-Mobile. The P20 Pro was not sold in the US so there was zero reason for it to be certified by T-Mobile. The last Huawei phone officially sold here was the Mate 10 Pro. AT&T and Verizon require that devices be certified by them to work with Volte on their networks but T-Mobile does not. T-Mobile is very BYOP friendly.
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Thanks for the clarification. So why is it then that same device , but using different sim card would show the Volte toggle or hide it from the user menu? Example, mate 20 does have Volte capabilities yet its missing the Volte toggle switch. I know on the Xioami devices one can enter a #*code to force it show that option. I think what makes it even more convulsing is that Huawei global versions have various region firmware via their Cust codes. Each one I noticed behaves slighly different using same T-Mobile SIM card. Cheers
You mentioned all calls went to VM on up 20pro, why do you think that was the case, you mentioned earlier that you thought possibly it may have been firmware related amongst other things.
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I am aware of the differences between the two chips.
In regards to WiFi Calling - I am a bit skeptical. This provider does have WiFi calling services, however they have a list of devices that are supported. Clearly they list devices and firmwares that they sell, not BYOD phones, and they sell the F version. I currently use ZTE Axon 7, I have WiFi calling on T-Mobile but it does not work on the Israeli network and when I try to 'register' it for this service through their app, it clearly says that the device is not supported.
That being said - I can't tell you if my phone doesn't work on their WF calling because it's not even sold in Israel. It could very well be that any version of Galaxy S10+ will be supported regardless of firmware. simply because it is sold there. Clearly there is no way to know this beforehand. I asked them, they of course can only guarantee phones that are sold by them and are on the list.
BTW - the Israeli version of the 975F is single SIM, they don't have the D/S, although I can't imagine this should have any impact of phone supporting or not supporting WF calling.
What's the difference between the F and the O, other than the region they are sold in?
Thanks.
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You're correct regarding Single SIM for the SM-G975F, the Dual SIM option is available in the SM-G975F/DS. I personally wouldn't consider obtaining a device in Israel if the majority of the time I'm the US. The major differences are SoC's, a minor difference in CPU Clock Speed and Cores. The SM-G975F has no FM Radio and offers fewer Primary Network capabilities. You can view a back-to-back comparison here.
https://www.phonemore.com/compare/p...gb-vs-galaxy-s10-plus-sm-g9750-128gb/10134260
This is quite different than your original question but with that being stated I would be confident enough in the SM-G9750's compatibility with the Israeli network for Wifi Calling. The worst case is not having Wifi Calling in Israel, which isn't an absolute necessity however you'll have the Snapdragon SoC which is a far better chipset with fewer bugs. For me it's the obvious choice if I were faced with your considerations.
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You're correct regarding Single SIM for the SM-G975F, the Dual SIM option is available in the SM-G975F/DS. I personally wouldn't consider obtaining a device in Israel if the majority of the time I'm the US. The major differences are SoC's, a minor difference in CPU Clock Speed and Cores. The SM-G975F has no FM Radio and offers fewer Primary Network capabilities. You can view a back-to-back comparison here.
https://www.phonemore.com/compare/p...gb-vs-galaxy-s10-plus-sm-g9750-128gb/10134260
This is quite different than your original question but with that being stated I would be confident enough in the SM-G9750's compatibility with the Israeli network for Wifi Calling. The worst case is not having Wifi Calling in Israel, which isn't an absolute necessity however you'll have the Snapdragon SoC which is a far better chipset with fewer bugs. For me it's the obvious choice if I were faced with your considerations.
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SoC, meaning the chip?
You see, your definition of "worst case not having Wifi calling" is important to me , simply because where I usually stay in Israel there is almost no reception at all (inside the house I am staying in), that's the main reason I want a device that will be able to use their Wifi calling.
Also, I looked at the eBay seller that you mention and I don't even think he carries the O model any more, all I see is the F model, unless of course I am missing something.
Thanks.
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SoC, meaning the chip?
You see, your definition of "worst case not having Wifi calling" is important to me , simply because where I usually stay in Israel there is almost no reception at all (inside the house I am staying in), that's the main reason I want a device that will be able to use their Wifi calling.
Also, I looked at the eBay seller that you mention and I don't even think he carries the O model any more, all I see is the F model, unless of course I am missing something.
Thanks.
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SoC is System on Chip, same as Chipset. If Wifi calling is a top priority buy the Exynos device to be certain but be advised there are numerous concerns over the chipset on XDA and other sites, plus Network Aggrigaton for Exynos in the US has issues with some T-Mobile clients. You may lose Wifi Calling or VoLTE in the US.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/s10-plus/help/exynos-att-t-mobile-t3920491
They still offer the SM-G9750, the link I shared is correct, not sure you missed something. The also sell the SM-G975F and SM-G975F/DS.