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impressive copy of Xiaomi Mix

ELEPHONE S8
- 6.0 Inch Corning Gorilla Glass Sharp 2K Screen, 2560*1440 Pixel
- Helio X25 MTK6797T 2.5GHz Deca Core
- Support Touch ID
- 4GB RAM + 64GB ROM
- 21 MP Sony Back Camera + 8 MP Sony Front Camera
- Android 7.1 System
- 4000mAh Battery, Support PE+ Quick Charge
- Aluminum metal body & 3D Curved Lumia Glass Back Design
- Dual SIM: NANO SIM + NANO SIM, Not Support TF Card
- Band: GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz, WCDMA 900/2100MHz,
FDD-LTE B1/B3/B7/B20, Support 2G & 3G & 4G LTE Network
For ~ 220 €
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmL5Iqq-pIM
I have myself the Xiaomi Mix but im impressed with this copy considering it has A MUCH BETTER CAMERA THAN a 600 € Phone and the FP is in front of the device.
Is this the next bang for the buck phone ?
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Screen size & processor the only let down.

I never owned an elephant before but the specs looks good for the price

My Opinion is based on research and this reviews from devicespecifications .com
- No headphone jack (Mi Mix has one of the best DACs in a phone, with 24bit 192kHz)
- 4000 mAh battery, but for that size average SoT of 4h real usage and 6 videos only (Mi Mix has about double the SoT, about the best SoT any flagship has to offer)
- Nowadays small absolute price diffrence, for a device intended to be kept for 2 years. For a short time the Mi Mix was available in septembre for 399 DOLLARS, bought mine last week for 384 Euros.
- Elephone isn't good at optimising their system. Hiccups although the x25 should be potent enough
- Display quality, about half as bright with 250cd/m² to 500cd/m². Higher black levels and worse contrast ratio compared to the Mi Mix.
+ The Elephone S8 is very compact for 16:9 with 6inch. I think many would prefer that size over the one of the Mi Mix.
+ More durable due to the metal frame in case of a fall, and the back is plastic, not glass (false advertising)
+ Sensors and reception seem to be all right, not very good but acceptable
+ B20 Support
+ I trust you that the camera is better, but if the camera is important, close to all chinese phones including the Mi Mix suck relatively speaking. It's literally the thing they cut costs with, everything above an LG G2 or a Galaxy S3 has a better camera, that's how much they suck.
General Opinion: All those copies, Maze Alpha, Elephone S8, Leagoo Mix, Umi Crystal Mix, all they do is using the tri-bezelless design, although they cheat even more with their pics than xiaomi does, with larger bezzels. But they lack all the other stuff that makes the mix outstanding, without mentioning the display (one of the best sounding DACs with 3.5mm jack, a big battery with GOOD battery life, premium feel).
Not bad for the price, better than some Mi Mix copies. But it's no bang for the buck, no deal. +50€ and it would be too expensive for what it delivers. There are Mix clones for 50€ less that will give you the same user experience. It stands no ground against the Mi Mix.
The Vernee Mix 2 going to be released this month seems to be more promising on the design with acceptable specs for 160€, more what I call bang for the buck compared to the clones we have. It won't compete with the mi mix, but it may be an overall good device without any big flaws. If it delivers.

Elephone = Bad support + Bad ROM...
Need more improvment before considering to be impressive !

I've found that any device that isn't running a snapdragon either sucks badly and / or has terrible software support.
Not trying to be stereotypical here but I've had my share of devices and this is what it boiled down to.
This is also the main reason why I tend to stay far far away from those nowadays.

Does exist an AOSP custom rom for an MTK Helio?
That's the bottleneck in my opinion...

nr-thunder said:
Mi Mix has one of the best DACs in a phone, with 24bit 192kHz.
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I'm having trouble finding info about the Mi Mix DAC. Can you elaborate or point me to more info? Is it known which DAC is in the Mi Mix? Is it fully supported in LiniageOS 14.1?

scotto541 said:
I'm having trouble finding info about the Mi Mix DAC. Can you elaborate or point me to more info? Is it known which DAC is in the Mi Mix? Is it fully supported in LiniageOS 14.1?
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Unfortunately I haven't found the name of the model. It is a dedicated 24bit 192khz DAC according to the review from devicespecifactions...com and many other reviews, although everyone may repeats what somebody else said because I haven't found a real verification in any review. BTW the qualcomm inbuilt DAC of the SD821 also has 24bit 192khz. I've also read that many OEMs restrict the Qualcomm DAC in some way, so even with the same Qualcomm DAC there may be diffrences. In a comparison review with the mate 9 and honor note 8 from Techzilla, he praised it and said that it is comparable to the HTC 10. I didn't open the device, but my personal comparison with the galaxy note 4 it sounds a little bit better.. It definetly is louder (50% Mix = GN4 70%), and also has a bit more punch even if I go a little bit lower with the volume, if I am not biased by my expactations (using 10€ KZ ZST). There is also a reddit discussion (google mi mix dac), where BENQ3000 could use the mi mix with hard to drive headphones which require more juice. In the end it's noticable, but the Qualcomm DACs sound very good too with most headphones. I think AOSP ROMs would use the Qualcomm DAC, if I disable Hi-Fi audio in the settings it still sounds good too me, so go with the ROM you like regardless. As long as there is no clipping or other issues it doesn't really matter, the DAC is not powerful enough to replace my real amplifier for my 100Watts desktop speakers anyway .

Underclocked Snapdragon 660 or Overclocked Snapdragon 636 on Realme 2 Pro?

It looks like Newly launched Realme 2 Pro have a Underclocked QC SD 660 or Overclocked QC SD 636. I checked Mi A2 (SD 660) , Asus Zenfone Max Pro M1 ( SD 636) and Realme 2 Pro ( SD660) in CPU-Z and AIDA64 Apps.

msfbeast said:
It looks like Newly launched Realme 2 Pro have a Underclocked QC SD 660 or Overclocked QC SD 636. I checked Mi A2 (SD 660) , Asus Zenfone Max Pro M1 ( SD 636) and Realme 2 Pro ( SD660) in CPU-Z and AIDA64 Apps.
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Do not fully trust the information provided in 3rd party apps or other websites. Please refer official websites of each particular phone to get the TRUE and CORRECT information about the processors used in them and the clock speeds that they are set to.
The SD660 used in Realme 2 Pro has a ( Original ) clock speed of 2.2 Ghz when Qualcomm makes that chip but the OEM ( Phone Manufacturer ) can tweak and change the clock speeds of the chip as per their strategy when using it in any phone.
For Realme 2 Pro the manufacturer Realme Mobiles has decided to clock the SD660 processor at 2 Ghz. That can be for various reasons depending on Software Optimizations, Battery Optimizations, Or maybe Just for No Reason :silly:
The point is, for an average user or for any user for that matter, it does not matter much. Plus there is a dedicated Artificial Intelligence Engine ( AIE ) which is not present in SD636.
Nowadays the term "Artificial Intelligence" is so wrongly used by every phone manufacturer to promote and sell their new phones to people who do not have any idea about AI in a smartphone. Fact is, there are only FEW countable chips in this world who ACTUALLY have a dedicated AI Engine in them and SD660 which is used in Realme 2 Pro has that Real AI in it.
So....

fully working poco f1 with all bootloader unlocking this that everything

For me the real benefit of SD660 over SD636 is the GPU, which is about 30% faster and that matters A LOT.

nitish159 said:
For me the real benefit of SD660 over SD636 is the GPU, which is about 30% faster and that matters A LOT.
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Right. GPU is a very important aspect in todays world where we have high end graphics games and apps. And even slight upgrade in GPU makes a notable difference :good:

Hi,
Then Whats the idea about NPU chip in coming new chipset series? Are they both same or is there any big difference?
Thanks!

is there a Mi 9T Pro?

All I heard was the mi 9t, and no pro variant.

Seems to be coming a pro version. Dutch phoneseller belsimpel.nl has a link to this device, and they are official xiaomi seller. Might also be to generate some pre-sales just in case....

hopefully it comes.. but first I really need the information that it will be.. if not I will move from my OP3 to the Mi9T (nonPro).. if yes, I will wait..

Ch3ck3rM0n said:
hopefully it comes.. but first I really need the information that it will be.. if not I will move from my OP3 to the Mi9T (nonPro).. if yes, I will wait..
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Me too

I kinda strugle there, the only bonus the 9T Pro would bring is the SD 855 and the higher battery charging as far as i know, and the included charger doesn't support it.
The 9T on the other hand has a new very power efficient (as far as ive read) SD 730 which will mean much longer battery runtime.
So i need some time there.

spychodelics said:
I kinda strugle there, the only bonus the 9T Pro would bring is the SD 855 and the higher battery charging as far as i know, and the included charger doesn't support it.
The 9T on the other hand has a new very power efficient (as far as ive read) SD 730 which will mean much longer battery runtime.
So i need some time there.
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There are more 'tiny' differences to consider.
- 4K 30fps vs 4K 60fps
- No laser autofocus vs laser autofocus
- Single band GPS vs Dual band GPS

Bart1981 said:
There are more 'tiny' differences to consider.
- 4K 30fps vs 4K 60fps
- No laser autofocus vs laser autofocus
- Single band GPS vs Dual band GPS
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Thank you for your input, i didnt know that.

And Sony IMX586 (in the pro) vs Sony IMX582

spychodelics said:
I kinda strugle there, the only bonus the 9T Pro would bring is the SD 855 and the higher battery charging as far as i know, and the included charger doesn't support it.
The 9T on the other hand has a new very power efficient (as far as ive read) SD 730 which will mean much longer battery runtime.
So i need some time there.
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But the Mi 9T Pro has a Super Amoled screen which uses less power than just an Amoled screen, so that may make up for some loss of power from the chip.
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Bart1981 said:
There are more 'tiny' differences to consider.
- 4K 30fps vs 4K 60fps
- No laser autofocus vs laser autofocus
- Single band GPS vs Dual band GPS
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Thanks for the info on the laser autofocus. I was wondering about that as the videos I've seen seem to indicate that the Mi 9T seems to have issues focusing in videos it's creating.

harry2543 said:
And Sony IMX586 (in the pro) vs Sony IMX582
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Yes you are right. That's why the 30FPS vs the 60FPS.

The K20 pro is launching next month in India and they don't have a mi 9 so nothing to worry about from Xiaomi's part
However the global market has a mi 9 which is just 3 months old. My guess is there'll be at least another 3 months wait for the pro varient.

Mi 9t pro is in 3 month an old phone. IMHO a Bad decision to release the non pro first.

3yrs switch - Realme X2 pro ?

Hey,
I do not know that this I right place but I've got a question - dou you think that freshly released Realme X2 Pro would be a good switch from Axon 7 ? I know that I will miss high res screen but overall Realme spec is imo not that bad - 855+, up to 12/256, stereo with Dolby, 3,5mm Dolby (dual driver), 64mpx main camera, FHD+ 90hz amoled hmm... and awesome price of 399€ base (6/64) 499€ (12/256). Also good to mention that base model got only UFS 2.0 and models with 8/12 ram got UFS 3.0.
What are your thoughts ? Really appreciate for any help and maybe any other phones ? (Stereo is a need for me cuz I'm watching a loot videos on my phone), also a price not higher than 600€ would be awesome.

Other than price, I like my work Galaxy S10e. Lucky I didn't pay for it. It's a good phone.
Realme sounds like it could be an interesting one to try.

J5 2016 Replacement/ upgrade advice please

It's (beyond) time for me to get a more current phone. Here's my requirements:
5.2 - 5.5"
rootable (bootloader unlockable)
full 64bit hardware (not just the CPU) + 64bit (ARM) Android
at least 32 GB internal storage, better 64 GB
3 or more GB RAM
13 or more Megapixel camera resolution
precise GPS module for Navigation
natively supporting at least Android 9 for native EdXposed capability, better Android 10
stable custom ROM with active current support available (preferred: LineageOS)
SD card slot (dual sim optional)
needn't be new, can be used
LTE is fine - no need for 5G (5G would be fine thanks to downwards capability with LTE/ 4G)
colors: white, silver, dark green, blue/ lavender (no black)
NOT a Huawei
Do above criteria ring any bell? Which phone(s) would you suggest to me?

just purchased a Nokia 6.1 (aka Nokia 6 2018) for €200
Nokia 6.1 - Full phone specifications
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Nokia 6 (2018) review
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Hi, noticed you already bought your phone, but maybe next time if you need advice, then also mention your budget.
Either way, the Nokia 6.1 isnt a great phone, if you can sell it then I'd recommend going for a Poco M3 (Xiaomi) in the USD220 range, or a Realme C3 if you wanna get cheap (around USD 150). Both are available brand new, they have similar processor performance, large screens, good battery life etc. The Poco M3's camera is much better than the Realme C3's, but thats the price you have to pay to reduce the cost. Both Poco's and Realme's software sucks in my opinion, but you're going to use a custom ROM anyways, so that won't be an issue for you. Android 12 is available through custom ROMs for both phones, and they have plenty of support on XDA.

Hi @PhotonIce thanks for your recommendations. Both, the Xiaomi Poco M3 and the Realme C3, are 6,5" and exceed my 5.2" - 5.5" size range. I've used a Nokia 6.2 for half a year last year, so I'll see in the next few months how it'll smaller sibling will perform. My needs are rather low, with Navigation apps (Magic Earth, TomTom) setting the top bar for performance (no gaming or such). At this point I can leave making pixel-sharp photos of UFOs to others ..

Oops, sorry my bad, thought it said 6.2-6.5inch range

Though in that range, I'd still highly recommend the Mi Note 3 (if you can get it). It has a much better SoC, a 12mp camera with OIS and a 12mp telephoto, and a 16mp selfie camera.

indeed nice the Xiaomi Mi Note 3, and even with official and latest LineageOS support. Good to know
[EDIT] not available in Central Europe - closest region here to order from would be UK. Only close sibling available here would be the Xiaomi Mi A1 (Mi 5X).

The mi a1 isnt as impressive, I guess it's best if you keep your nokia

Also the Xiaomi Mi Note 3 doesn't have a headphone jack.

RootedLee said:
Also the Xiaomi Mi Note 3 doesn't have a headphone jack.
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True, but you didn't mention that in your list of requirements, so you can't really blame me for that.

oh @PhotonIce don't feel blamed at all - I was just stating the missing jack as a fact. I 100% appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us here