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I was at the AT&T store today and was talking to a sales rep. I am currently with AT&T on family plan and I told him that I was going to cancel my phone (the primary line) to T-Mobile to pick up the DVP.
Well, he told me that a Microsoft rep told him that T-Mobile had a 45 day exclusivity on the DVP starting from the launch date (11/8). Further, the DVP will be on 3 carriers once the exclusivity runs out. Now the speculation on the other two was Verizon and possibly AT&T.
He also said that the 3 WP7 phones at AT&T were under the 45 day exclusivity as well and that other carriers would be carrying the three devices currently at AT&T.
He wasn't sure if and when all this would happen but if in fact AT&T will be getting the DVP soon, I can hold out a bit longer as the only reason I was planning on switching to Tmo was for the DVP.
Don't mean to start a wild rumor thread but thought I share what I heard and would like to know if others have heard something similar.
Happy Holidays...
Thats interesting news.
I'm on AT&T too and planning to move to TMobile just for this phone. Hope you're right.
That's good news. I currently have a Focus but still miss a hardware keyboard. 45 Days would put it right after the holiday season which would allow carriers to make their money before the agreement ends. Let's hope this is true.
I hope someone will be able to enable tethering on the DVP and that will be perfect.
lies that carriers tell you to keep you. dont know for sure tho
i rather have dvp with webos or android. wp7, ill wait till 2nd or 3rd gen
c_legaspi said:
lies that carriers tell you to keep you. dont know for sure tho
i rather have dvp with webos or android. wp7, ill wait till 2nd or 3rd gen
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Agreed. I have some doubts that something like this will actuall happen. Nevertheless, I'll give it some time - until the reviews of the new and improved launched (part deux) DVPs.
I'm hoping to hear some more from folks who may knowledge or have heard something similar in the meanwhile.
Would be nice, but I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. If it were true, that would put us 2 weeks out and this would be the first real rumor I've heard. Things like this tend to get leaked in advance. Kind of telling that there hasn't been any FCC filings for the additional radio flavors either. We can still cross our fingers though.
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Would be nice, but I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. If it were true, that would put us 2 weeks out and this would be the first real rumor I've heard. Things like this tend to get leaked in advance. Kind of telling that there hasn't been any FCC filings for the additional radio flavors either. We can still cross our fingers though.
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maybe thats the Dell Venue?
the one with android and without the keyboard?
Another clue might be a statement from Greg Milligan of Microsoft Canada: “the first manufacturers are LG, Samsung, HTC, we’ll have those available here in Canada. We also see Dell coming into the market as well and some other manufacturers in 2011”. (http://mobilesyrup.com/2010/11/29/m...ices-with-hardware-keyboard-coming-to-canada/)
In Canada, AT&T frequencies are dominant right now: ever since Bell and Telus stopped expanding their CDMA network and built an all-3G UMTS/HSPA+ national network on 850/1900, pretty much all their new 3G devices are GSM. Add that to Rogers' existing 850/1900 GSM/EDGE/UMTS/HSPA+ network, and you're looking at AT&T frequency compatibility from our three biggest national carriers. They all launched AT&T-compatible Windows Phone 7 devices last month.
The new "urban" carriers - Wind, Mobilicity, Videotron - are running AWS in major cities. But none of these carriers have launched any WP7 devices.
Dell could just launch the DVP in its current configuration on Wind or Mobilicity (or both). It could also launch the DVP as an EDGE-only device on Rogers (very unlikely). Or, it could build a new DVP with 850/1900 3G support and release it on any combination of Rogers, Bell and Telus for a much larger customer base.
was planning to get the t-mobile version, but i am not sure if i should right now
i am on at&t and i dropped my phone in water last week, want a smartphone so bad right now...
Well, it would appear that HTC HD7 may be headed to AT&T. If so, perhaps this will mean that other "exclusive" phones will find it's way to other carriers. One can only hope...
If Canada gets them, I think we'd be in good shape either way. Their bands are fully compatible, so I wouldn't mind plunking down a few dollars more to get it. However, it would have to be unlocked so that might be an issue (hopefully a short one).
Can't wait!
I had my doubts about this, but it seems quite possible. The FCC has approved two models of the Dell Venue Pro:
FCC ID: E2KV03B002
(https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...me=N&application_id=218753&fcc_id='E2KV03B002')
3G band tested: AWS
FCC ID: E2KV03B001
(https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...me=N&application_id=425269&fcc_id='E2KV03B001')
3G bands tested: 850/1900
Note: as far as I can tell, these documents don't preclude the "B001" version from also supporting European 3G on 2100 MHz, since the FCC didn't test the 900/2100 euro bands on the "B002" but we know it has them anyway.
It would only make sense that this would happen.
Dell would be crazy to limit their handsets to the smallest Mobile Carrier in terms of subscribers. Giving Tmobile a leg up is okay but to give it the whole leg would be silly.
I would take the HD7 on the AT&T network as I returned by HD7 on the T-MOBILE network due to signal issues.
I would like to have it on the Sprint Network but that isn't happening anytime soon. I do not like the HD PRO they have rumored to get WP7.
The DVP or the HD7 will be my choices for now. a 4.3" S_LCD on the HD7 would be great/
TheGlowingCurve said:
Just for the record, 45 days after the 8th of November would be December 23, 2010.
I'll be checking back on that day (and probably sooner, anyway).
I am also anticipating the DVP. :] I'll be waiting for AT&T.
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Well, given recent news of the delay yet again, I wonder if:
1) At this rate, the DVP will be available on AT&T at the same time as T-Mobile
or
2) This is vaporware and never make it to AT&T
Utterly disappointed with Dell....
Just got this link from MS
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/buy/7/phones.aspx?cmpid=14303401#detail=1568 and was wondering if these bands will work on AT&T. Anyone know?
hmm.....
it only state UMTS 900 and 2100, which are the frequency the rest of the world use
it didn't even state AWS or 1700
interesting
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Well, three days left (actually, it may be four days, since the 23rd may be the 45th day).
Just for the record, I did a Google search to check for any updates and found this:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Windows-Phone-7-Dell-Venue-Pro-Headed-to-ATandT-895659/
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It appears that the eweek article is a collection of blog posts on this topic.
With regards to the 45-day, I'm guessing that we won't hear anything until the new year until the holiday shopping period is over.
Hi everyone. I'm buying a used, unlocked T-Mobile DVP 8GB soon, manufactured around January 2011 and is supposedly running Mango. I realize the phone is filled with issues, but they have supposedly been fixed by now. I'm just wondering if there are any specific issues I should check for before going ahead with the sale. Thanks!
No compass...yet
That's fine with me. I was thinking more along the line of things like checking all the keys to make sure they type the right letter (saw in another thread that x and z were switched for some reason), the device can be detected by a computer when connecting through USB, the phone doesn't reboot when you touch the screen, etc...
Also, what's the latest firmware/OS version for the DVP right now?
khara said:
That's fine with me. I was thinking more along the line of things like checking all the keys to make sure they type the right letter (saw in another thread that x and z were switched for some reason), the device can be detected by a computer when connecting through USB, the phone doesn't reboot when you touch the screen, etc...
Also, what's the latest firmware/OS version for the DVP right now?
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I've had absolutely no problems out of my DVP. 7.10.7720.68 is the latest OS version on mine. Yeah, the compass is a strange omission considering the hardware is there and was originally implemented but maps seems to orient just fine when I need directions. GPS is crazy fast.
Sounds good! Do you know the latest firmware version number as well?
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Sounds good! Do you know the latest firmware version number as well?
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latest DVP update is 7.10.8107 if the mobile is a factory unlocked version
if you have operator specific model like say T-Mobile / ATT then it would be 7.10.7720 or in some cases 7.10.7740
I too am considering a Dell Venue Pro. I am on Mobilicity in Toronto area and getting a decent Windows Phone that operates on AWS frequencies (1700/2100) is a challenge. T-Mobile phones are the only option but ordering a T-Mobile phone into Canada is a challenge too. It would be simply easier to drive to the NY State or Michigan and buy from a T-Mobile store and then unlock but I don't have 3-4 hours to burn. The Dell Venue Pro is easily available and is unlocked even ordering from Amazon.com.
If anyone has serious reservations please advise. Even better if someone is reading this and is on Mobilicity with this phone, I would appreciate any comments good or bad.
DVP !!
Hey,
M in India, and I got a DVP unlocked 16 gig, and I have no issues with it.
For me its the best looking phone out there
I dont care much about the specs(I mean if you compare the phones out there today, DVP lags behind), and the specs that a DVP has, is enough for me.
I have had only one stuck up, where I had to remove the battery to power it back on. That's it. Otherwise it has worked smoothly.
No other random reboot, no lag.
One thing, the camera is bad. You wont be able to take motion pictures. It will be blurry.
After Mango update, and making some changes in the settings, the still pics are gr8, but if you are trying to capture something that's moving, then m sorry, this aint the phone for you
I bought it in November 2011.
Current version:
OS version: 7.10.8107.79
My verdict: If you like classy, go for the DVP !!!
Excuse me for any typos or wrong grammar, English ain't my first language.
I picked it up yesterday, and so far I love it! There are a few things tripping me up, but nothing that i feel would push me over the age to abandon the platform like I did with Android. For one, it would be nice to be able to push enter to send an SMS using the keyboard, rather than having to touch the send icon on the screen. It would also be nice to be able to block certain numbers from calling.
Battery life does seem like an improvement over my old phone, though.
If you are purchasing new, in the US, I would question it. The phone is old hardware, at least 18 months old, I'd not more. Does not do 4g or wifi n. Simply put, why would you invest in an old device.
If you are buying used, or cheap with no contract, its worth it. But, buyer beware. A lot of used phones are showing up in a less than ideal condition, with damaged SD slots, or with the ability to reset missing. In these conditions they are virtually impossible to fix. Just be careful
That being said, these are good devices, well made and sound. I do not regret purchasing mine way back when. It was a most amazing Christmas present when received on December 21st, 2010.
Just to let you know I opted for a Nokia Lumia 710 !
Great deal here in Canada for 254.99 (from Rogers no contract) then $10 for unlock code. I know it's a completely different phone from DVP but figured I may as well get on with latest model phone for fairly cheap price. It will give me an idea if next (more expensive phone) should be the Nokia 900.
Thanks everyone for the mainly good comments about DVP.
We've discussed it for a bit here
Though if you're on rogers you actually have the choice of any of the lumias. (as rogers uses the same 3g bands as at&t and regardless prob has more choices)
TmoUSA users dont though, it's either the 710 or the VP or radar. (there's very little selection for AWS devices, that's almost literally every AWS capable wp7 device)
Yes... actually I am on Mobilicity which is same band as T-Mobile (1700/2100).
The Rogers Lumia 710 is a penta band phone so yes it works with Rogers 3 G bands and AT&T bands, and of course it works perfectly with Mobilicity ! (had to unlock it though)
Wonder if the T-Mobile version is penta band ? Also wonder why Rogers doesn't advertise this? I did some reading and found out it's penta band but if you read the specs from Rogers website it's only showing as quad-band. Quick trip to a Rogers store and reading the label shows it's penta band.
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_710-4276.php
Perhaps they dont want you purchasing one and turning it to another carrier?
For a carrier sold one the supported bands arnt really relevent, as long as it supports their own band obviously.
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The Rogers Lumia 710 is a penta band phone
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I doubt this, because I am not sure that the Qualcomm chipset actually supports pentaband UMTS.
It's more likely that it's quadband UMTS, which would still allow it cover all UMTS frequencies for both ATT and T-Mo. As in, maybe they left out 850 or 900.
Reports are the rogers one works on wind, which is AWS like tmoUSA
That would mean it's at very least: 850/1700/1900/2100, with the question as to if it supports 900.
As: 850/1900 is what rogers uses (like at&t)
and: 1700/2100 for aws (it's more work to have a 1700 device without 2100 then to leave it in)
From my understanding, it's merely what amps the manu decides to put in, and what they decide is mostly politics.
All htc devices are dual band unless they're forced to add more
Most samsung international devices are triband or higher. (though they dont generally use qualcomm chips)
All dell devices are triband or higher (with the exception of the EU Streak 5 as the AWS is uncommon)
I cant actually confirm it as I dont actually recall seeing a 5+ band phone using a qualcomm chip.
Worst case you can do APQxxxx + MDMxxxx and use an external modem that does support it, i believe the MDM9200 explicitly supports 5 bands + lte bands.
All devices with APQ8060 chips do this, as APQ chips are by definition chips without modems. There's a few phones that use this setup.
tl;dr the rogers varient should support at least 850/1700/1900/2100, since at least on at&t they use both 850 and 1900 (not unreasonable to assume rogers does the same)
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - For Canada
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_710-4276.php
TheManii said:
Reports are the rogers one works on wind, which is AWS like tmoUSA
That would mean it's at very least: 850/1700/1900/2100, with the question as to if it supports 900.
As: 850/1900 is what rogers uses (like at&t)
and: 1700/2100 for aws (it's more work to have a 1700 device without 2100 then to leave it in)
From my understanding, it's merely what amps the manu decides to put in, and what they decide is mostly politics.
All htc devices are dual band unless they're forced to add more
Most samsung international devices are triband or higher. (though they dont generally use qualcomm chips)
All dell devices are triband or higher (with the exception of the EU Streak 5 as the AWS is uncommon)
I cant actually confirm it as I dont actually recall seeing a 5+ band phone using a qualcomm chip.
Worst case you can do APQxxxx + MDMxxxx and use an external modem that does support it, i believe the MDM9200 explicitly supports 5 bands + lte bands.
All devices with APQ8060 chips do this, as APQ chips are by definition chips without modems. There's a few phones that use this setup.
tl;dr the rogers varient should support at least 850/1700/1900/2100, since at least on at&t they use both 850 and 1900 (not unreasonable to assume rogers does the same)
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Can confirm the ATT version works on Rogers bands. Sold my unlocked DVP (ATT) to a rogers users. He reported it worked fine on 3G.
Hi all,
After sorting through xda for a few hours and pouring through the wiki entry and LTE references, I have come to the conclusion that I'm utterly confused about LTE compatability.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_G2#Network_compatibility
Is LTE compatibility so bad that you cannot easily move between countries and still get LTE coverage? Is it foreseeable that this will continue for a long time?
I'm living in NZ right now, and spend quite a bit of time in the United States, so I'm looking for the best LG G2 model to bridge the gap. Near as I can find, I think it will be the Canadian D803 since it covers LTE bands 4,7,and 17. NZ and Australia seem to be going for bands 7 and 8, and the US seems be in 4 (except sprint), and 2 and 17 (except verizon and sprint), with ATT alone on 5 and Verizon alone on 13. Al least according to the wiki for the G2 versions for the US linked above.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_frequency_bands#Deployments_by_region
Is this data correct?
Am I also correct in reasoning that the D802 'global' version in supporting bands 1, 3, 7, 8, and 20, would not get and LTE support in the US? Has anyone tried this yet?
Thanks for the help and sorry if I missed an existing discussion on this.
Kia Ora mate.
The information i believe is correct regarding the D802. I pulled one from mobicity.co.nz. Was recently in the US with a Vodafone HTC One tri-band i purchased from clove.co.uk. (same freqs) With a T-Mobile prepaid simm i was not able to pull any LTE in San Francisco or Manhattan. That said the H band was plenty fast enough (compared to slow as sht NZ anyway) so i wasn't unhappy to not get LTE, but i understand, if you have it why not get it!
The LTE rubbish is reminding me of 3G/H issue where phones came in tri-band with 4 GSM bands to cover all. Its only since the Quad-bands have appeared that the 'portability' problem has gone, now with LTE its all back to sht again! to many bands. I notice one model at least (one from expansys.co.nz) of the Galaxy Note 3 has a massive list of LTE frequencies which of course is the only way phones going forward are going to meet international travellers expectations and capture sufficient LTE bands to be useful and portable. sigh. back to 'come on you plonkers sort it' level of deployment for our phones..
I'd personaly lean towards getting the more international (D802) model and take what you get from the provider of choice in the states. No way i'd want a verizon, at, or tmob purchased model; what with all the bollocks poor yanks have to put up with - stick to international versions.
thats my opinion anyway. good luck bro.
WuZhiHe said:
Hi all,
After sorting through xda for a few hours and pouring through the wiki entry and LTE references, I have come to the conclusion that I'm utterly confused about LTE compatability.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_G2#Network_compatibility
Is LTE compatibility so bad that you cannot easily move between countries and still get LTE coverage? Is it foreseeable that this will continue for a long time?
I'm living in NZ right now, and spend quite a bit of time in the United States, so I'm looking for the best LG G2 model to bridge the gap. Near as I can find, I think it will be the Canadian D803 since it covers LTE bands 4,7,and 17. NZ and Australia seem to be going for bands 7 and 8, and the US seems be in 4 (except sprint), and 2 and 17 (except verizon and sprint), with ATT alone on 5 and Verizon alone on 13. Al least according to the wiki for the G2 versions for the US linked above.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_frequency_bands#Deployments_by_region
Is this data correct?
Am I also correct in reasoning that the D802 'global' version in supporting bands 1, 3, 7, 8, and 20, would not get and LTE support in the US? Has anyone tried this yet?
Thanks for the help and sorry if I missed an existing discussion on this.
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This generated some considerable debate on the Sprint web site prior to the release, so prior to buying the Note 3 I asked several Sprint reps using their web chat portal, twitter, and the local Sprint store.. ALL assured me that the Note 3 being sold would handle LTE at the 800 AND 1900 Frequencies...
However they are selling the model SM-N900P model which with the online spec sheets it says it supports only 1900 LTE but 800/1900 CDMA... I complained to several Sprint reps about this and mentioned returning it, only to be told I would face restocking fees since I've had it for a few days, as well as activation fees if I went to activate another phone.. I argued I didn't even get the phone until 5 days after the order, and I ordered it within an hour or so of it being available on the website, but they didn't seem to care and said their deadlines are set by the order date... That's a completely separate issue..
What I'm writing and looking for help/guidance from someone who will know more than me about cellphones is something a Sprint rep said.. I was told that he was 100% sure the Note 3 would work at 800 & 1900 LTE as Sprint will send out an update once that 800mhz frequency is activated on their LTE network.. A part of me thinks this doesn't make sense, as Samsung should note the capability on the box as being compatible with the frequency, but another part of me wonders if they are able to send a firmware update to the phone that modifies the LTE chip to operate at certain frequencies? I gave that Sprint rep the benefit of doubt because he claimed to own the Note 2 and that it operated at 800 & 1900 LTE...
Any thoughts? I appreciate any advice or info ahead of time!
The model for Sprint that the FCC approved only supports 1900 LTE, it's in black and white on the papers filed with them which have been made publicly available here:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...ame=N&application_id=134996&fcc_id=A3LSMN900P
Basically the reps lied to you out of ignorance.
Pardon my ignorance, so you are stating you know for a fact they cannot use a firmware update over the air that would enabled 800mhz LTE compatibility?
How can they firmware update anything if the requisite hardware is not there?
It's not as if this information had not been floating about the web and XDA before the Sprint version was released. There have been several threads on this particular topic.
That was my exact point to the Sprint rep, but he assured me it was doable... He had a Note 2 and claimed it would support the 800/1900 LTE bands through the same update method.... But not being versed in LTE technology I wasn't sure if it required separate LTE chips for different frequencies, or if the individual LTE chip could be programmed/updated to support multiple frequencies.. I know with some other forms of hardware, certain features come locked that can be unlocked through hacks and updates...
For example, the AMD Phenom II X3 was a triple-core CPU that through a hack, you could unlock a 4th core... There's plenty of other examples involving CPUs, video cards, etc, where the hardware came with certain specifications, but through hacks/updates, they were modified to enable additional features not originally listed.
Which is why I'm scratching my head over this... In the end, I won't doubt it for a second that Sprint pushed this knowing it would never support the 800mhz because they had a certain amount of stock to burn through, with Samsung planning to release an updated edition in the coming months with the curved screen and other capabilities...
LordLugard said:
How can they firmware update anything if the requisite hardware is not there?
It's not as if this information had not been floating about the web and XDA before the Sprint version was released. There have been several threads on this particular topic.
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I know there's a T-Mobile announcement on Oct 9 where the Z3 is likely to be revealed. Do these announcements usually follow the sale of the device the next day? I'm debating on either getting the international version or waiting for the T-Mobile announcement. I'm just not a fan of the carrier branding. I'm hoping Sony sells the device on their US site to buy directly rather than through T-Mobile. Anyone have any input? Then again, maybe I'll wait for the Nexus 6/X or whatever. I hate so many choices!
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If there's branding it will be on the back, unlike Verizon who brands their phones like there's no tomorrow.
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If there's branding it will be on the back, unlike Verizon who brands their phones like there's no tomorrow.
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This is true
Sent from my MI 4W
I'm using an international Z3 on T-Mobile (the Dual-SIM version) - works as expected, though no WiFi Calling.
Is that hardware limitation though? Any way to get an unlocked z3 that has tmobile wifi calling?
Nope only t-mobile phones are capable of this.
This is the press picture for T-Mobile
http://www.static.xperiablog.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/T-Mobile-Xperia-Z3_1-640x433.jpg
Also if you search the web, there is a video of unboxing for Z3 T-Mobile and it shows everything of it.
It is a software restriction, but ever since the BB Curve 8330 people have been trying to port it to non-Tmobile phones. As far as I know, none have been successful. It relies on heavy modifications to the telephony stack.
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It is a software restriction, but ever since the BB Curve 8330 people have been trying to port it to non-Tmobile phones. As far as I know, none have been successful. It relies on heavy modifications to the telephony stack.
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if the stars align and a USA T-mobile Z3 ROM can be flashed onto a regular Z3 without problems, maybe
(Nexus 5 has the same modem firmware between USA and Int'l model... so if all Z3 models share the same modem firmware... probably not going to happen)
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if the stars align and a USA T-mobile Z3 ROM can be flashed onto a regular Z3 without problems, maybe
(Nexus 5 has the same modem firmware between USA and Int'l model... so if all Z3 models share the same modem firmware... probably not going to happen)
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Probably not going to happen, THOUGH, T-mobile's implementation is being adopted into the standard... sooooo maybe¿ That's how WIFI calling is coming to the iPhone in 2015 on ATT. And I think Verizon is in on the mix. E.g. if Android L or M supports this wifi calling it will eventually be carried over the the Z line. But that's a but if/maybe/assumptions being made.
If WIFI calling is vital - then buy the carrier version. But in my experience, if you have internet fast enough for VOiP, you're likely in a T-Mobile coverage area anyway. If you're underground, you have Hangouts which Google just rolled voice into for Free.
paulcbetts said:
I'm using an international Z3 on T-Mobile (the Dual-SIM version) - works as expected, though no WiFi Calling.
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So to verify, you're using the D6633? Any benefit to it being dual sim? Is it missing any bands for functionality with TMo? Also, where did you get it from?
Don't mean to bug you with all the questions, just want to make sure I'm getting the best version of the Z3 possible (don't like the info that the carrier branded version is missing lots of bands).
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So to verify, you're using the D6633? Any benefit to it being dual sim? Is it missing any bands for functionality with TMo? Also, where did you get it from?
Don't mean to bug you with all the questions, just want to make sure I'm getting the best version of the Z3 possible (don't like the info that the carrier branded version is missing lots of bands).
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There is a huge advantage of going with the T-Mobile version when it comes to radio. AWS HSPA+ and Band 12 (700 Mhz A Block) LTE.
AWS HSPA+ support is necessary for areas without 4G LTE so you're not stuck at 2G speeds.
Band 12 LTE support is going to be critical in the coming years, as its going to be T-Mobile's savior when it comes to covering large areas and getting inside of hard-to-reach locations such as office buildings.
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There is a huge advantage of going with the T-Mobile version when it comes to radio. AWS HSPA+ and Band 12 (700 Mhz A Block) LTE.
AWS HSPA+ support is necessary for areas without 4G LTE so you're not stuck at 2G speeds.
Band 12 LTE support is going to be critical in the coming years, as its going to be T-Mobile's savior when it comes to covering large areas and getting inside of hard-to-reach locations such as office buildings.
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Yeah I was just reading about Band 12 and didn't realize that all the other models don't support. that sweet 700Mhz spectrum should cover huge areas and penetrate buildings well. Really excited for the possibilities with that one.
Didn't realize the lack of AWS HSPA+ support as well.
Looks like I will stick to the Tmobile variant then and just keep my fingers crossed on colors lol.
mattlgroff said:
There is a huge advantage of going with the T-Mobile version when it comes to radio. AWS HSPA+ and Band 12 (700 Mhz A Block) LTE.
AWS HSPA+ support is necessary for areas without 4G LTE so you're not stuck at 2G speeds.
Band 12 LTE support is going to be critical in the coming years, as its going to be T-Mobile's savior when it comes to covering large areas and getting inside of hard-to-reach locations such as office buildings.
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The D6603 supports AWS (1700) HSPA
The biggest things you lose with the international (D6603) on T-mobile is:
- WiFi calling
- Band 12 LTE
- 16GB vs 32GB System memory
- possibly VoLTE (not 100% sure)
Tech Spec differences aside, do we have word yet on if the T-Mo version will have the plastic body ala the Z1s? The press images look like all the ports and covers stay the same between the D6603 and the D6616, and the White Paper doesn't seem to indicate a difference, but I feel like one can never tell with T-Mo these days ...
Raeglatem said:
Yeah I was just reading about Band 12 and didn't realize that all the other models don't support. that sweet 700Mhz spectrum should cover huge areas and penetrate buildings well. Really excited for the possibilities with that one.
Didn't realize the lack of AWS HSPA+ support as well.
Looks like I will stick to the Tmobile variant then and just keep my fingers crossed on colors lol.
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So far, only black... Maybe later more colors?
se1000 said:
The D6603 supports AWS (1700) HSPA
The biggest things you lose with the international (D6603) on T-mobile is:
- WiFi calling
- Band 12 LTE
- 16GB vs 32GB System memory
- possibly VoLTE (not 100% sure)
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True. Out of those, the only one that I put weight on is the Band 12 LTE since it is supposed to reach within buildings and the like. Really do not care for the rest. And, I will add, the fact that the updates from Android might take longer for the T-Mobile branded Z3 than the regular non-carrier version. I really hope that Sony sells a US non-carrier here like they did with the Z2.
Cheers.
GoyoNeuff said:
True. Out of those, the only one that I put weight on is the Band 12 LTE since it is supposed to reach within buildings and the like. Really do not care for the rest. And, I will add, the fact that the updates from Android might take longer for the T-Mobile branded Z3 than the regular non-carrier version. I really hope that Sony sells a US non-carrier here like they did with the Z2.
Cheers.
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Yeah, the fact that it would be Tmobile branded is what has me worried with updates. Finger crossed on an official one direct from Sony.
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So far, only black... Maybe later more colors?
True. Out of those, the only one that I put weight on is the Band 12 LTE since it is supposed to reach within buildings and the like. Really do not care for the rest. And, I will add, the fact that the updates from Android might take longer for the T-Mobile branded Z3 than the regular non-carrier version. I really hope that Sony sells a US non-carrier here like they did with the Z2.
Cheers.
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Isnt the Band 12 (700mhz) on tmobile the same as band 17 on at&t. if so then D6603 does have support for it.
Edit: Apparently they are not the same. the Band Class 17 standard allows LTE operations in only the Lower 700 MHz B and C blocks using a specific signaling protocol that would filter out all other frequencies. Although Band Class 17 operates on two of the three blocks common to Band Class 12, Band Class 17 devices use "more narrow filters," which have the effect of permitting a smaller range of frequencies to "pass through" the filter. In addition, Band Class 12 and Band Class 17 signaling protocols are not compatible
GoyoNeuff said:
So far, only black... Maybe later more colors?
True. Out of those, the only one that I put weight on is the Band 12 LTE since it is supposed to reach within buildings and the like. Really do not care for the rest. And, I will add, the fact that the updates from Android might take longer for the T-Mobile branded Z3 than the regular non-carrier version. I really hope that Sony sells a US non-carrier here like they did with the Z2.
Cheers.
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I think they'll sell the D6603 as an unlocked version in the US, it has all the bands for both T-Mobile (except Band 12) and AT&T.
For me, WiFi calling will be a nice to have, I've had it before and it's certainly gotten me out of a few pinches. The partnership with GoGo to allow free in-flight text messages through the feature also adds value to me. Not a deal maker or breaker, but nice to have.
Personally, I think minor Android releases are getting less and less important. I mean, can you point out off the top of your head one thing 4.4.4 brings you that 4.4.2 is missing? Of course Android L will be a huge step forward, especially with the introduction of ART, but it can be said that maybe some of us will hold off on jumping right into the release due to things like incompatibility with apps such as xposed as well. Just my take on it.
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I think they'll sell the D6603 as an unlocked version in the US, it has all the bands for both T-Mobile (except Band 12) and AT&T.
For me, WiFi calling will be a nice to have, I've had it before and it's certainly gotten me out of a few pinches. The partnership with GoGo to allow free in-flight text messages through the feature also adds value to me. Not a deal maker or breaker, but nice to have.
Personally, I think minor Android releases are getting less and less important. I mean, can you point out off the top of your head one thing 4.4.4 brings you that 4.4.2 is missing? Of course Android L will be a huge step forward, especially with the introduction of ART, but it can be said that maybe some of us will hold off on jumping right into the release due to things like incompatibility with apps such as xposed as well. Just my take on it.
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Good points...
In fact, one reason I kind of like the Z3 is that Sony does not modify as much the interface as others. Not completely stock like my wife's Nexus 5, but close enough. We will see... I am anxiously waiting for this week event !