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What is this treble i'm seeing all over the XDA forums?

Hey everyone I just wanted to ask what this trebel label means, my lack of understanding and research tells me its kinda like OTA but for a more secure way to push updates to devices? being someone who has been using my device fine, am just a bit wonderous wondering what this Trebel means for my favorite ROM, Recovery and Kernel

dalebaxter01 said:
Hey everyone I just wanted to ask what this trebel label means, my lack of understanding and research tells me its kinda like OTA but for a more secure way to push updates to devices? being someone who has been using my device fine, am just a bit wonderous wondering what this Trebel means for my favorite ROM, Recovery and Kernel
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for the moment, forget about it
it's very green and brings more troubles than solutions or any gain in particular. We will see how things develop with time.
You can read more about treble in here
https://www.xda-developers.com/how-project-treble-revolutionizes-custom-roms-android-oreo/

bornlivedie said:
for the moment, forget about it
it's very green and brings more troubles than solutions or any gain in particular. We will see how things develop with time.
You can read more about treble in here
https://www.xda-developers.com/how-project-treble-revolutionizes-custom-roms-android-oreo/
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Reading the article I'm still a bit confused by what all this would mean for the end user, I really enjoy AEX since I moved from RR and it seems like this is the "latest and greatest" type of situation, yeah okay launches are tough but when everything smoothed out what would this treble allow us all to do?

dalebaxter01 said:
Reading the article I'm still a bit confused by what all this would mean for the end user, I really enjoy AEX since I moved from RR and it seems like this is the "latest and greatest" type of situation, yeah okay launches are tough but when everything smoothed out what would this treble allow us all to do?
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In reality, it means little to the end user. It could theoretically mean that ROMS require less development time, since all roms in theory are based on a single image.
You can kinda of see this with Google's OEM Partners. At Google I/O they listed a number of partner OEMs that were the first to use treble and for the most part they have released upgrades quicker and more reliably then there non-treble counter parts. This also can be extended to the modding community and in general means that porting roms and developing them on a new phone should be easier.
This is all part of a bigger push by Google to gain uniformity across devices. They started requiring security updates in there SLA's and now are pushing treble.

Trebles's All the benifits goes to vendor and stock rom users Rights. As we are Custom Rom users what are the benefits we getting from Treble Projects?

https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/05/13/project-treble-impact-android-custom-rom-community/

alwynjoshy said:
Trebles's All the benifits goes to vendor and stock rom users Rights. As we are Custom Rom users what are the benefits we getting from Treble Projects?
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In the future you will be able to flash the custom treble image specific for your hardware, and then a GSI (Generic System Image) of your choice: RR, AEX, DU, Tesla, etc... that will be generic and able to be flashed in any hardware. That means that GSI development teams will be able to maintain their roms and apply the security fixes without the need to create custom rom versions for each hardware. So, finally we will have real OTA updates for custom ROMs. We all hope LineageOS 16 to have more or less this philosophy too. Well see it in September.
So, benefits for the user:
More ROMs to choose for your device (actually all of them!!!)
More frequent upgrades from custom GSI teams.

Oki said:
In the future you will be able to flash the custom treble image specific for your hardware, and then a GSI (Generic System Image) of your choice: RR, AEX, DU, Tesla, etc... that will be generic and able to be flashed in any hardware. That means that GSI development teams will be able to maintain their roms and apply the security fixes without the need to create custom rom versions for each hardware. So, finally we will have real OTA updates for custom ROMs. We all hope LineageOS 16 to have more or less this philosophy too. Well see it in September.
So, benefits for the user:
More ROMs to choose for your device (actually all of them!!!)
More frequent upgrades from custom GSI teams.
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thanks you well explained ?️.
I have question, If we flashed treble once, are we able to flash any treble based rom, for example any devices treble roms

alwynjoshy said:
thanks you well explained ?️.
I have question, If we flashed treble once, are we able to flash any treble based rom, for example any devices treble roms
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Once you have the Treble framework in place and have then flashed a device specific vendor image you can from that point on flash any GSI ROM. The thing to note is that so far NFound's Treble ROMs have included vendor image files in them which makes them device specific, you need to check for and remove any vendor image files from Treble ROMs created for other devices if you wish to try the ROM on a device other than what it was made for.

alwynjoshy said:
thanks you well explained ?️.
I have question, If we flashed treble once, are we able to flash any treble based rom, for example any devices treble roms
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A treble rom is hardware specific, so you cant flash a treble rom designed for a different device. Only GSIs are compatible with multiple devices, and it is this way since the hardware dependant part is only in the treble rom.
Right now there are not fully treble roms available for the Axon7. The currently available roms labeled as treble are delivered and work as a usual full rom. The treble and system parts are still mixed up in those roms. It will take some time until we could enjoy a fully wotking treble rom in the Axon7.

Treble support with lineage?

after I flashed lineage os 15.1 on my lg h870 trebel check said that my phone is supported. after that I ofcourse tried to flash custom treble rom with fastboot method and got a Bootloop, normal twrp: same, treble twrp: can't find any. Anybody managed to flash trble rom successfully?

There is talk about adding treble support in the official thread, but don't believe its there yet..
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g6/development/rom-unofficial-lineageos-15-1-lg-g6-t3789468

ej_424 said:
There is talk about adding treble support in the official thread, but don't believe its there yet..
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g6/development/rom-unofficial-lineageos-15-1-lg-g6-t3789468
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Thx. hopefully they'll do it.

Will we get Treble for GSI ?

Hello,
after testing out lots of ROM with Treble, I used some GSI and some of them worked more some less. In the Treble Development department I found a working AOSP 9 GSI. The ROM did work quite good and I would use it as a daily driver, but sadly the battery consumption was the greatest I ever had.
Maybe it is because of the ROM, but after all the vendor image should also be good. The only one we can use is from nfound and he left us...
So, what do you think? Will there every be a vendor image we can use for GSI?

yes.

Did you try this one: [AOSP 9.0] [EXPERIMENTAL] [2018-08-22] Phh-Treble ?
Cause this is the one, that gives me a SOT of about ~ 5h , which is ok for me right now ...
(altough, using AEX 5.8 SOT was 6-7h for me ...)
But it is in development ...
Mart Son said:
Hello,
after testing out lots of ROM with Treble, I used some GSI and some of them worked more some less. In the Treble Development department I found a working AOSP 9 GSI. The ROM did work quite good and I would use it as a daily driver, but sadly the battery consumption was the greatest I ever had.
Maybe it is because of the ROM, but after all the vendor image should also be good. The only one we can use is from nfound and he left us...
So, what do you think? Will there every be a vendor image we can use for GSI?
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timmtomm8 said:
Did you try this one: [AOSP 9.0] [EXPERIMENTAL] [2018-08-22] Phh-Treble ?
Cause this is the one, that gives me a SOT of about ~ 5h , which is ok for me right now ...
(altough, using AEX 5.8 SOT was 6-7h for me ...)
But it is in development ...
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There is another one based on this one, because this one gave me to much errors. Maybe the new GSI got better...
Did you flash some post GSI zips or did it work out of the box?

So at the moment we only have nfounds vendor image which boots up most gsi, but there are problems not solved. My great hope was that we will get a good vendor image with lineage, but it does not boot any gsi at the moment.
Nfounds vendor seems to be compatible with Oreo and pie. At the moment there is no sign for a pie only vendor image what would be great

Do all the GSIs available for the A7 get the irritating "vendor image mismatch" or "there's an internal problem with your device" on every bootup? I know it can be ignored but it's just annoying as hell. What causes this? I read that it has something to do with the boot/vendor signature/fingerprint not matching what the ROM expects to see. Is there a solution that makes these messages go away? I'm interested in trying a Treble Oreo GSI, but I need a daily driver that can be counted on, and so far I've had very little luck with getting GSIs to boot.
Which vendor image and boot image is correct for an A7 running a Treble ROM? The ones by Nfound? Or LineageOS? Or something else? It would be nice if ZTE would update our device to official Oreo and officially adopt Treble and a vendor partition. The A7 is classified by ZTE as an end of life/support device, with the Axon 9 due soon, the least they can do is bless us with this one last gift as a farewell.
I wouldnt mind running Pie, but I like using Xposed modules, so no go there. On the Oreo GSIs I've tried, exFAT MicroSD usually shows up as corrupt. This is unacceptable to me. And I must have my cache and data partitions as F2FS, for best performance. And a custom kernel.

Active ROM's for the Axon 7

I'm currently using LOS 15.1 for my axon 7 but since it's not maintained anymore, I was wondering if there were any other ROMs that were being made or maintained for this device. Thanks in advance!

Im currently using stock A2017G B03 and move on with Huawei Mate 20x, i have been there done that with all known working GSI Roms and to be honest nothing feels as stable as stock especially when you need dolby atmos and banking apps, but if your device is not your primary device then you can try GSI Roms from Erfan or nFound.

Blankisblank said:
I'm currently using LOS 15.1 for my axon 7 but since it's not maintained anymore, I was wondering if there were any other ROMs that were being made or maintained for this device. Thanks in advance!
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A lot of people have Treble'd their device and went with GSIs
I'm on LiquidRemix which seems to work nice with Speedy Vendor and Baddar Kernel

ibphantom said:
A lot of people have Treble'd their device and went with GSIs
I'm on LiquidRemix which seems to work nice with Speedy Vendor and Baddar Kernel
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So I'm a bit confused, is LOS not made from a GSI? Or what's the difference between GSI's like LiquidRemix versus LOS?

Blankisblank said:
So I'm a bit confused, is LOS not made from a GSI? Or what's the difference between GSI's like LiquidRemix versus LOS?
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When you Treble your device you split some partitions of your phone, particularly the vendor partition which opens the possibility of using ROMs from other phones. LOS offers a ROM version and GSI. The ROM versions are usually made just within the threads of the particular device. Some GSIs are broken, but that's because of a hardware mismatch but an updated vendor usually takes care of any mismatches. Each GSI/ROM has it's own custom set of features.
If you like LOS, you could try out the latest LOS16
But check out Havoc or LiquidRemix if you want to test GSIs
Keep in mind that we *may* have one official ROM supported for our phone. But GSIs are usually built monthly by a group of devs and they keep the security features up to date and make small changes like the AOSP public chain from Google.

ibphantom said:
When you Treble your device you split some partitions of your phone, particularly the vendor partition which opens the possibility of using ROMs from other phones. LOS offers a ROM version and GSI. The ROM versions are usually made just within the threads of the particular device. Some GSIs are broken, but that's because of a hardware mismatch but an updated vendor usually takes care of any mismatches. Each GSI/ROM has it's own custom set of features.
If you like LOS, you could try out the latest LOS16
But check out Havoc or LiquidRemix if you want to test GSIs
Keep in mind that we *may* have one official ROM supported for our phone. But GSIs are usually built monthly by a group of devs and they keep the security features up to date and make small changes like the AOSP public chain from Google.
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So GSI's like LiquidRemix or Havoc are supported across multiple devices while ROM's are built more to match that specific device? Would that be correct? And we have a supported ROM still?

Blankisblank said:
So GSI's like LiquidRemix or Havoc are supported across multiple devices while ROM's are built more to match that specific device? Would that be correct? And we have a supported ROM still?
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Yeah. GSIs are meant to be shared across devices with similar hardware and issues with a broken GSI are tweaked by having an updated Vendor file. ROMs are specifically made to match all the hardware in a particular model of phone. I think all the ROMs for the Axon 7 are unofficially supported at this point, which means a 3rd party dev decided to pull the source code of a popular ROM like Lineage and build it for our particular model just because they were feeling nice and appreciated by the people who use it.

ibphantom said:
When you Treble your device you split some partitions of your phone, particularly the vendor partition which opens the possibility of using ROMs from other phones. LOS offers a ROM version and GSI. The ROM versions are usually made just within the threads of the particular device. Some GSIs are broken, but that's because of a hardware mismatch but an updated vendor usually takes care of any mismatches. Each GSI/ROM has it's own custom set of features.
If you like LOS, you could try out the latest LOS16
But check out Havoc or LiquidRemix if you want to test GSIs
Keep in mind that we *may* have one official ROM supported for our phone. But GSIs are usually built monthly by a group of devs and they keep the security features up to date and make small changes like the AOSP public chain from Google.
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ibphantom said:
Yeah. GSIs are meant to be shared across devices with similar hardware and issues with a broken GSI are tweaked by having an updated Vendor file. ROMs are specifically made to match all the hardware in a particular model of phone. I think all the ROMs for the Axon 7 are unofficially supported at this point, which means a 3rd party dev decided to pull the source code of a popular ROM like Lineage and build it for our particular model just because they were feeling nice and appreciated by the people who use it.
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Okay so one last question, is there anything that you lose from moving to a GSI compared to a ROM? Like for example, would I still be able to use the superior audio DAC of the axon 7 or would that not be possible since that's too device specific? Thanks in advance!

Blankisblank said:
Okay so one last question, is there anything that you lose from moving to a GSI compared to a ROM? Like for example, would I still be able to use the superior audio DAC of the axon 7 or would that not be possible since that's too device specific? Thanks in advance!
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Not that I know of. I'm able to use VoLTE and Viper4Android for the HD DAC and I'm on GSI.
Edit: And now that I remember, you should check out raystef66 ROMs. Those are still active for our phone and from an awesome dev.

Project treble and GSI ROMs Vs aosp ports

As we've now finally got lineage os ported to our device as well as a treble support of some sorts, what are the advantages or drawbacks of running either?
Basically I want to drop Samsung and run a aosp ROM on my s8
I can either flash a port like lineage os 16 (which works quite well by the way) or I can go with Hades treble and flash an gsi ROM.
What would be the benefits or drawbacks of either solution?
I hope someone that has now tested both solutions can comment here.

I am assuming here. I think the treble ROMs can to updated with the latest sercurity patches more easily.
I think the los16 port to the s8+ can do the same but from a developers view I don't know how difficult it is to implement each month.
I'm on a treble rom now and always will be due to the fact that the Samsung s8+ patches are coming every 3 to 6 months now after the September sercurity patch.
I need clarification but I think that is the case.
Happy flashing

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In regard to twrp backups. It can be done in treble. Just don't backup the system image. Click everything else. It works for me.

Is it actually already possible to activate treble on an Samsung S8 and install afterwards a GSI rom like "Pixel Experience"? So far I just found this "Project Treble for Samsung Galaxy S8".

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Is it actually already possible to activate treble on an Samsung S8 and install afterwards a GSI rom like "Pixel Experience"? So far I just found this "Project Treble for Samsung Galaxy S8".
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...-device-development/aosp-hadestreble-t3953333