Hi @ all,
just got my HD2 with german ROM and one of the first things I tried out was to get a connection to my car (Audi A6) through the remote sim access profile (SAP, rSAP) - but it didn't work...
Does someone use the HD2 in his car using the sim access profile, as available in Audi or VW cars?
I have
- Audi A6 Avant (model 03/2008)
- using the "Audi rSAP Adaptor" in the car cradle, located in the arm rest
- everything in the HD2 is activated for Sim Access
Result:
HD2 and car are connecting, I have to put the 16 digit security code in my phone, but after that the SAP mode does not start, and so I have no access to my phonebook. It seems that I only have a "normal" bluetooth handsfree connection, because the HD2 still shows that he is booked into the mobile network - and when rSAP is active, the phone itself disconnects from the network and "falls asleep".
I restarted my HD2 several times, also the rSAP-Adapter by turning ignition of the car off and on until the adaptor switches off, deleting the connections, creating new connections, but nothing helps...
Any comments or experiences from other users are highliy appreciated
Finally, I have to remark that my HTC Snap, which I just upgraded to WM 6.5, works very good im my car with the rSAP - no problems at all, I get all my contacts in the MMI.
Thanks in advance,
Jolig
Just got my HD2 and am having the same problem.
I'm trying to connect with a 2009MY Skoda Superb with the rSAP bluetooth kit.
This works fine with my E71 and my HTC Touch Cruise.
I've been told that there used to be an issue with OBEX authentication on previous versions of Windows Mobile. Apparently, it was important to disable this authentication. However, I can't see the checkbox in the version of WM that the HD2 is running.
Does anyone know what registry entry this checkbox might have been changing?
Thanks,
Bagpuss.
Thanks Bagpuss,
who gave you this information?
I hope someone can solve this problem....but I fear we have to wait until we have more HD2 - owners
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EDIT:
I just have read something about the "Schaps Advanced Configuration Tool" where someone with similar problems activated OBEX (but it was an older Win Mobile device, and some months ago) - perhaps this could help?
But I just installed version 3.3 of this tool, but it doesn't work on my HD2...
Hi Jolig,
Check out this thread:
http://briskoda.net/superb-ii/howto...us-rns510-using-non-compatible-mobile/131709/
on Briskoda.net.
One of the guys there had lots of problems getting his WM phone to work, and posted the fruits of his labours.
From what I can tell, we can't use the CAB file he mentions, as rSAP is built into the OS version that the HD2 uses.
I've actually logged this issue with HTC, and am awaiting their response. My company is considering the HD2 as our next standard handset, and we won't go for it unless the rSAP functionality works with all VW/Audi group cars.
I'll let you know if they get back to me.
Bagpuss.
Thx Bagpuss,
and yes, in my opinion it's a mess that the rSAP is apparently VERY unimportant for most people or manufacturers...otherwise we wouldn't have this trouble....
I will come back too if I should find some news.
Had the same problem, tried lots of stuff but none of my WM devices is able to work with the rSap protocol. Gave up on it and then my Skoda Columbus system was stolen.
Replaced it with a JVC 7000 with detachable front. Disabled the rSap carkit and am now using the JVC BT carkit wich is working great. The problem is in the MS BT stack. It is not supporting the rSap the way it should. Only phones that work flawlessly are Nokia's I'm afraid...
The lack of rSAP support is what made me ignore the iPhone this time around.
I was hoping that the HD2 would be a viable alternative, but sadly, it doesn't look like this is going to be the case.
As I bought it over the phone, then I've got 7 days in which to return it. If I can't get it to work, then I guess I'll be getting an N97 or N97 Mini (which will definitely work). :-(
Bagpuss.
@ Bagpuss,
otherwise, as I wrote, I can recommend trying the small HTC Snap (or also called Maple?).
Ok, this one has no touch screen and also a very small screen - but I can confirm he works with rSAP and is not too expensive. I will keep this one, although I now have the HD2
As to Bagpuss' information concerning the OBEX, I tried the following:
- installed the newest .NET framework version
(that was necessary to get Advanced Config Tool v 3.3 running)
- install Schap's Advanced Config Tool
- in the menu "Bluetooth", I enabled OBEX
- after that the config tool does a soft reset
...still no success....no SAP and no phone book
I also wrote an email to HTC - it's really annoying, having SAP in the phone etc. and nothing works.
I've a Golf VI (RNS510) and it's working very well. Just had to change Bluetooth security settings that by default does not make HD2 visible to other devices. And after partnership was established, I've reverted the settings to "Allow only devices from MyDevices to connect"
Hi Binks821,
Binks821 said:
I've a Golf VI (RNS510) and it's working very well. Just had to change Bluetooth security settings that by default does not make HD2 visible to other devices. And after partnership was established, I've reverted the settings to "Allow only devices from MyDevices to connect"
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Can you confirm if your Golf has the premium bluetooth preparation?
There are two different versions of factory bluetooth kit for the RNS510, one which simply acts as a handsfree device, and the other (premium) which is a complete GSM phone.
It's the premium kit which uses rSAP, and which seems to be incompatible with the HD2.
You can tell if your Golf is using rSAP by checking to see if the signal strength meter on the HD2 shows any bars when connected to the car. If it does, then it's not using rSAP. If you see the signal meter with a little x in the corner, then it is using rSAP.
If you do have rSAP working, then I'd really like to know which firmware version your RNS510 is running, and also which firmware version you have in your HD2.
Thanks,
Bagpuss.
yes I've the premium version with RSAP access, not just handset.
Once partnership is established, it says SIM Access profile in Bluetooth settings, not Handset. And it disables my SIM on the phone, so no strength meter.
I had a Tytn before, and it was working the same way. Just when received my HD2 Monday, it was not working but default settings on the phone make HD2 not visible, So I received a message on the car saying "No compatible phone found". After playing with Bluetooth security settings, it was OK.
And of course I can import SIM contacts.
Be sure to check these settings (Settings tab in Sense, then Menu-> All Settings -> Bluetooth)
- Discoverable: always visible
- Advanced -> Connectivity: Allow all devices to connect, just during setup. After that change to "Allow only devices listed in My Devices to connect"
- Advanced -> SIM Access: be sure that rSAP is enabled
HD2 version info:
- OS: 5.2.21864 (21864.5.0.81)
- Manila: 2.5.19202525.0
For the car I have to check once I'll be in.
Hi Binks281,
Thanks for the confirmation.
I've now done some further testing in my car, and managed to have some success.
This is what I did.
In the car:
1) Remove all device pairings from the bluetooth system in the car.
On the HD2:
1) Perform a hard reset.
2) Turn on bluetooth. Make HD2 permanently discoverable.
3) Make sure rSAP is enabled (it is by default).
4) Turn off SIM pin (turns out this isn't necessary, but I wanted to make things simple).
So, at this point, I have the car system with no paired phones, and the HD2 with factory settings and no personal data (contacts etc.). I also made sure there were no contacts on the SIM card.
Back in the car, I perform a device search, and it detects the HD2.
I select the HD2, and the car displays the pairing password (1111 2222 3333 4444).
On the HD2, I enter the password.
I then get a prompt saying that Skoda_rSAP is trying to connect to the remote sim access service. I say allow, and also tick the box to allow all future connections.
After about 10 seconds, the maxidot in the car says 'New SIM card recognised', and prompts me to create a new user profile. I called it 'HTC_HD2'.
After about another 15-20 seconds, the car should extract the SIM details from the phone and the phone name, network and signal bars should appear in the car display.
You can now make calls, but there is no phonebook.
Given what others have said about the phonebook access, I'm pretty sure that this is what was stopping the pairing from working the first time I tried it. I've heard various stories, some which say that the phonebook access only works with SIM card contacts, some which say it only works with OBEX authentication switched off and so on.
If you look at the paired devices screen in the phone, then you can see connections coming into phone. First, you see a connection to the SIM Access profile, followed by a brief connection to the Phone Book Access profile. It was at this point, when accessing the phone book, that my previous attempts to pair failed.
I'm still trying to work out what is causing the problem with the phone, but I have done the following things:
1) Told the car to only sync phone memory contacts. By default, it's set to sync both SIM and phone memory. You can configure this on the car by going to Settings -> Phonebook -> Select Memory, and choosing 'Mobile Phone'.
2) Created four contacts in phone memory, one with only 1 mobile number, one with 2 numbers (mobile and home) and another two with three numbers (mobile, home and work). I've then gone into Settings -> Phonebook -> Upload and sync these across to the car.
So far, this has worked fine and disconnecting and reconnecting to the car works without a hitch.
I'm now going to try syncing a small subset of my contacts with ActiveSync to see if this also works.
If it does, then I'll gradually increase the number until it either works, or fails.
I'll report my progress here.
Bagpuss.
Thanks Bagpuss,
sounds interesting!
I think tomorrow I will try this also:
- remove all paired phones in the car-system
- delete all contacts
- disable SIM Pin
Temporarily I am not sure if I will do a hart reset in the first step because I've already installed so much... When the work fails, I thing I must do it
I will report what happened.
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Ah, come on...TV this evening nothing interesting, wife in bed...I tried it, including hardreset
No success.
Bagpuss, what I detected:
First, you see a connection to the SIM Access profile, followed by a brief connection to the Phone Book Access profile. It was at this point, when accessing the phone book, that my previous attempts to pair failed.
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This connection to the Sim Access Profile I see also, but only for one second, then it dissappears and then the connection "Handsfree" comes up - and this one remains....
I do not know else what to do.
I now reconnected my beloved HTC Snap/Maple, and now I will start installing my apps on the HD2....
Hi Jolig,
Sorry to hear that it didn't work.
By the sounds of it, the Audi system is somewhat different to the VW/Skoda one. From what I can tell, your system also appears to support using phones in handsfree mode (I'm guessing that the iPhone works in your car).
In the VW/Skoda cars, you can either have a car kit that acts as a handsfree device or one that uses rSAP, but not both.
It could just be that the HD2 isn't responding to the rSAP request quickly enough to satisfy the MMI. In that event, it falls back to using handsfree mode.
When it shows 'handsfree' on the HD2, can you use the MMI to make calls?
This whole area seems to be a bit flaky on the HD2, as I still can't work out why mine didn't work when I first tried.
Bagpuss.
Binks821 said:
yes I've the premium version with RSAP access, not just handset.
Once partnership is established, it says SIM Access profile in Bluetooth settings, not Handset. And it disables my SIM on the phone, so no strength meter.
I had a Tytn before, and it was working the same way. Just when received my HD2 Monday, it was not working but default settings on the phone make HD2 not visible, So I received a message on the car saying "No compatible phone found". After playing with Bluetooth security settings, it was OK.
And of course I can import SIM contacts.
Be sure to check these settings (Settings tab in Sense, then Menu-> All Settings -> Bluetooth)
- Discoverable: always visible
- Advanced -> Connectivity: Allow all devices to connect, just during setup. After that change to "Allow only devices listed in My Devices to connect"
- Advanced -> SIM Access: be sure that rSAP is enabled
HD2 version info:
- OS: 5.2.21864 (21864.5.0.81)
- Manila: 2.5.19202525.0
For the car I have to check once I'll be in.
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Hello Binks821,
I believe that I have the same hardware situation like you but I can't get my HD2 started on my VW Passat with the Premium FSE. The problem is, that I can go through the whole "finding and connecting process" and can save the PIN but then the Connection gets lost between the HD2 and the PFSE. If seems that the PFSE can't connect to the Network (E-Plus) but why the BT-Connect gets lost in this case.
Maybe you can help me to get it work. Thanks a lot!
Negropo
Hello everybody,
maybe I found a solution that work for every sap-handsfree-set. I tried the hint was given on the german car forum "motor-talk" for the connection problem between a vw pfse and the htc touch diamond with wm 6.1 or 6.5.
The trick is that you have to disconnect the HD2 from the pfse by manual when the car first want's to connect automatically. You have to go to the BT-Setup to the tab where are the connected devices listed. If you click on the "+" right of the name of the device you should be seen the tab "Remote Sim Access" or in german "Sim-Zugriff". When the car connect's to the HD2you have to stop this by pressing disconnect in the right below corner of the HD2 screen. Then the connection is terminated. Now you have to start the connection manual over the menu in your car. In a VW you have to press only "connect" in the MFA. And then the HD2 should connect without problems. I don't know why it works but it does. Maybe there is someone here who can explain it and find another "automatic" solution for this problem.
Regards Norman
Well, I don't have a VW but an Audi with an rSAP-Adaptor in the middle arm rest. I fear this also doesn't work for me.
The problem is that this Tab "Sim Access" only appears for just one second, so I have no chance to make anything whithin this single second....and after disppearing of the tab "sim access" another tab "handsfree" appears - and stays. So it seems my Audi only recognizes a handsfree profile. I don't know why,
Temporarily I am happy that I still have my HTC Snap, which is working very fine with rSAP
@ Negropo, can you tell me in which thread at motor-talk you found that?
Thanks,
Jolig
Hi guys,
rSAP works fine with my Audi A4 BTA. I made the HD2 discoverable for any device and I activated the SIM access in the HD2 BT settings. Then I start searching for Bt device on my Audi BT and initiated the connection with the HD2.After inserting the 16 character pin everything works fine.
By the way ... the connections seems to be very stable. With the Touch Diamond I had from time to time connection interrupts where it was necessary to reset/restart the Touch Diamond again.
Best regards,
Matthias
@ Matthias,
"BTA" means that you have the built-in phone with rSAP, right? Is it a brandnew A4?
I am coming from a long history of HTC use and so I apologise if this question has an obvious answer.
Previously, if I wanted to connect to my bluetooth in the car (previously paired with), I would just hit the bluetooth button in quick settings to turn it on and that was it, just like connecting to wifi.
If I do this on my S7E, I then get another screen popping up that tells me my device is visible to others and lists previously paired devices for me to select from, and then I have push the back button to leave that screen?
Is there a simpler way as I used to do on my HTC?
cheers
C.
PS - I am sure this will be the first of a number of questions as I get used to TouchWiz and Marshmallow......Sorry.....
crazyC said:
Previously, if I wanted to connect to my bluetooth in the car (previously paired with), I would just hit the bluetooth button in quick settings to turn it on and that was it, just like connecting to wifi.
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Have you ever *paired* your new phone with your car?
I've only had two cars with BT in them, but in both cases the car and phone had to be paired before they would work together.
Once that was done then it would work as you expect.
Specifics of getting your *car* into pairing mode I can't help with, but once you do that you should be able to select it while scanning from the phone (as you've seen already the phone will list devices it finds) and you can finish walking through the pairing.
C0derbear said:
Have you ever *paired* your new phone with your car?
I've only had two cars with BT in them, but in both cases the car and phone had to be paired before they would work together.
Once that was done then it would work as you expect.
Specifics of getting your *car* into pairing mode I can't help with, but once you do that you should be able to select it while scanning from the phone (as you've seen already the phone will list devices it finds) and you can finish walking through the pairing.
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Oh yes, it was paired with the bluetooth fine (its actually a visor BT device, not the car itself), and when I turn on the BT it shows up on the list of previously paired devices)
Don't have to make it a trusted device for it to auto-pair?
Why turn Bluetooth off at all?
Just leave it on.
Regards,
Dave
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neezy13 said:
Don't have to make it a trusted device for it to auto-pair?
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Nope, just had to be paired.
Trusted Device brings in the Smart Lock stuff, which enables the option of having your phone NOT authenticate you (pattern/pin/finger/passwd) when connected.
For example, I have my car bluetooth set as a trusted device so that when I'm driving I don't get any identity challenge to use the phone (like for navigation), the screen will just come on as requested.
Smart lock is blocked by my exchange administrator as I get my work emails on my phone.
I turn the Bluetooth on the phone off because I don't turn the one in the car off and it's just outside the house and will stay connected.
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Hello all.
I am having some bluetooth connectivity problem with my moto g 4 US xt1625 Retus channel (non amazon version) stock everything.
Basically the connection to my smartwatch is unstable and keeps dropping on and off.
Normally I would be blaming the smartwatch for this BUT it connects absolutely perfectly to my moto G2 (cyanogenmod 14) without any hint of misbehavior
I've already tried;
Forgetting and re-pairing device (also rebooting phone before repairing)
Factory resetting watch
clearing app data and cache of system bluetooth apps ("bluetooth share" and "bluetooth MIDI")
Disabling 4G (sometimes interferes apparently)
Disabling wifi
Running phone in safe mode.
*edit - also tried disabling power optimisation for both system bluetooth apps AND the watch companion app
I also reconnected my smartwatch to my old moto G 2 after trying all these things and it still works perfectly.
Old moto G2 had blutooth 4.0 LE and this moto G4 has bluetooth 4.2 LE which would offer no comparability issues.
Has anyone had any similar problems with their bluetooth?
Thanks in advance
I think my next move will be to root, and start removing G apps that could be interfering with the bluetooth connection
hotdog18882 said:
I think my next move will be to root, and start removing G apps that could be interfering with the bluetooth connection
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I have had a problem with my Fitbit connecting that didn't happen on my G2 or G3. I keep my cordless home phone connected with no problem though. What I have to do is forget the Fitbit in my bluetooth devices and it connects fine. If it's even showing up in the bluetooth devices it won't connect. That seems strange that it will only connect that way but others have reported the same thing. Maybe try and see if it connects after you forget it in the bluetooth settings and it's not even showing up.
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Tel864 said:
I have had a problem with my Fitbit connecting that didn't happen on my G2 or G3. I keep my cordless home phone connected with no problem though. What I have to do is forget the Fitbit in my bluetooth devices and it connects fine. If it's even showing up in the bluetooth devices it won't connect. That seems strange that it will only connect that way but others have reported the same thing. Maybe try and see if it connects after you forget it in the bluetooth settings and it's not even showing up.
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OK maybe you're on to something.
If I connect to the watch using the companion app, then enter bluetooth settings and "forget" the device..... It still appears to be connected
But a few seconds later, it automatically pairs and re-appears in the "paired devices" list.
Is there a way to prevent re-connect?
Actually, after "forgetting" it several times, It's staying connected and has done for a 15 minutes now.
I'll report back if and when it disconnects.
Cheers
Ok so the watch disconnected a couple of times in a few hours. (this is a huge improvement from before)
Each time, "forgetting" the watch in bluetooth settings caused an automatic re-pair and return to good connection.
Maybe I can use "tasker" or similar app to automate this unpair upon disconnect?
Cheers
hotdog18882 said:
Ok so the watch disconnected a couple of times in a few hours. (this is a huge improvement from before)
Each time, "forgetting" the watch in bluetooth settings caused an automatic re-pair and return to good connection.
Maybe I can use "tasker" or similar app to automate this unpair upon disconnect?
Cheers
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Yeah, it's strange that it works that way. I think it's the device not compatible with that version Bluetooth. My Fitbit doesn't try to reconnect once I forget it unless I make it pair then it will actually work sometimes and sometimes it doesn't when paired. It always works if I don't pair it at all. Have you tried clicking on the gear besides your watch in more settings once it connects and unchecking what ever connectons it shows in the check boxes?
Tel864 said:
Yeah, it's strange that it works that way. I think it's the device not compatible with that version Bluetooth. My Fitbit doesn't try to reconnect once I forget it unless I make it pair then it will actually work sometimes and sometimes it doesn't when paired. It always works if I don't pair it at all. Have you tried clicking on the gear besides your watch in more settings once it connects and unchecking what ever connectons it shows in the check boxes?
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If i click the gear next to the watch in the bluetooth settings, the only options i have are to rename the device, or to forget it
I have no checkboxes or anything like thar.
Do you have advanced bluetooth settings installed or something???
hotdog18882 said:
If i click the gear next to the watch in the bluetooth settings, the only options i have are to rename the device, or to forget it
I have no checkboxes or anything like thar.
Do you have advanced bluetooth settings installed or something???
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Some of my devices have check boxes for contacts, audio, etc. but not all. I thought maybe that would be something to look at.
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Ok, its still messing around. I'm going to install the Temasek unofficial cyanogenmod 13 and see if that is an immediate fix, or if the additional options offers a fix.
Cheers
update;
after ugrading moto g4 to android nougat (7.0.1) I no longer have any issues with bluetooth connectivity.
6.0.1 was to blame!
my phone is updated to stock Nougat also and still having bluetooth issues staying connected to my car (2012 ford fusion with mysync) I will be keeping an eye on this thread.
vrm4 said:
my phone is updated to stock Nougat also and still having bluetooth issues staying connected to my car (2012 ford fusion with mysync) I will be keeping an eye on this thread.
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I seldom connect my phone to mysync but my wife does. She also keeps her G4 connected to the Panasonic home phone system while home. I've noticed that since the update to Nougat mysync is very slow to connect on her phone. The Panasonic cordless phone seems to connect fine. Mysync will usually connect although she has to drive for 10 or 15 minutes before it does occasionally and other times it connects instantly. One time I had to delete her phone in the car and add it back. I wondered if it was a problem of it not disconnecting from the Panasonic, but that shouldn't be past the end of the driveway. Then again it may be just a rip in the space time continum. ?
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I recently installed a Xtrons PQS90MTVL head unit in a skoda superb. I have a couple of questions on how to get it to work correctly when navigating.
1) It seems that you can set the navigation sounds to be a percentage of the radio volume but cannot set it to play at a given volume regardless. The problem is that the radio seems to be constantly on and there is no way to turn it off. The 'on/off' button simply mutes the radio - and the navigation sounds.
Often I am in an area where I cannot pick up a decent radio signal on the programme I want and just get static. In these situations I want to turn the radio off but still hear navigation sounds. I don't want to listen to loud static just so I can have the nav sounds play at a percentage of that static. Is there a way to turn the radio off but still get navigation sounds? (a workaround I have found is to play a media file instead of the radio and then pause playback. The nav sounds are then still a percentage of the - non existent - playback volume. However this should not be necessary)
2) It also seems that a Internet connection is needed for any navigation. even google maps won't do a search without it as it says I am offline. (is this true?)
I have bought the 4G wifi dongle but have a question about its use. Does the HU connect to the dongle, as far as data is concerned, via the USB socket that comes out of the back of the unit or is that socket simply powering the dongle and the HUI is actually connecting to it over wifi using the dongle as a hotspot? If so then I don't have to use the wired usb socket from the unit (which I suspect is underpowered) and can plug the dongle into an ordinary 2A USB socket that I have in the car, positioning the dongle near the roof for a better signal
Incidentally I did try using Android Auto with my phone using wired connection. That seems sort of OK but is not very reliable. Often when starting the car it hangs at the 'connected' screen, or even at the 'trying to connect' screen, although other times it seems OK
3) There is a small socket on the left hand side of the HU that looks like a slot for a small memory card or a sim card. It is labelled 'GPS'. What is that socket used for? it is not mentioned in the manual as far as I can see. - The manual is generally a bit hand waving though, excitedly telling you what you can do but not how to do it.
(I did try the xtrons forum but not only are the last posts there around January 2022 but there seems to be no way to register for it. Hence posting here)
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Posting here as I think I used the wrong secrtion previously
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Ask a moderator to delete this other post.
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Will I get answers here then?
coldshiver said:
Posting here as I think I used the wrong secrtion previously
I recently installed a Xtrons PQS90MTVL head unit in a skoda superb. I have a couple of questions on how to get it to work correctly when navigating.
1) It seems that you can set the navigation sounds to be a percentage of the radio volume but cannot set it to play at a given volume regardless. The problem is that the radio seems to be constantly on and there is no way to turn it off. The 'on/off' button simply mutes the radio - and the navigation sounds.
Often I am in an area where I cannot pick up a decent radio signal on the programme I want and just get static. In these situations I want to turn the radio off but still hear navigation sounds. I don't want to listen to loud static just so I can have the nav sounds play at a percentage of that static. Is there a way to turn the radio off but still get navigation sounds? (a workaround I have found is to play a media file instead of the radio and then pause playback. The nav sounds are then still a percentage of the - non existent - playback volume. However this should not be necessary)
2) It also seems that a Internet connection is needed for any navigation. even google maps won't do a search without it as it says I am offline. (is this true?)
I have bought the 4G wifi dongle but have a question about its use. Does the HU connect to the dongle, as far as data is concerned, via the USB socket that comes out of the back of the unit or is that socket simply powering the dongle and the HUI is actually connecting to it over wifi using the dongle as a hotspot? If so then I don't have to use the wired usb socket from the unit (which I suspect is underpowered) and can plug the dongle into an ordinary 2A USB socket that I have in the car, positioning the dongle near the roof for a better signal
Incidentally I did try using Android Auto with my phone using wired connection. That seems sort of OK but is not very reliable. Often when starting the car it hangs at the 'connected' screen, or even at the 'trying to connect' screen, although other times it seems OK
3) There is a small socket on the left hand side of the HU that looks like a slot for a small memory card or a sim card. It is labelled 'GPS'. What is that socket used for? it is not mentioned in the manual as far as I can see. - The manual is generally a bit hand waving though, excitedly telling you what you can do but not how to do it.
(I did try the xtrons forum but not only are the last posts there around January 2022 but there seems to be no way to register for it. Hence posting here)
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First of all you need to fix your FM reception. You need to use a phantom power adapter to get some voltage to the OEM antenna.
There are some navigation apps which don´t need a internet connection. TomTom as example and others using offline maps. But you won´t get traffic messages if you don´t have an internet connection.
That would fix your white noise.
The FM radio can be closed if you use the back button on top right. If that does not help, chose the recent apps button on top and swipe the radio app away as for each other app... You really should learn how to use Android.
The navigation loudness can be set in the system settings. Depends on the unit where you can find it. In this case the navigation software needs to be registered as navigation in settings /Apps/Standard apps.
Regarding your 4G-WiFi dongle... The name itself shows the functionality.
It connects via 4G to the internet and provides the connection via WiFi to anyone in the car.... even too to the radio.
The GPS slot on your radio is nothing else as a micro-SD slot, which also can be used to store music on it or whatever else you want.
BTW: Seems that you are not that familiar with car electronics. May be a good idea to ask someone who can help you with some knowledge what has to be done.
Might be an easy task to just swap a radio, but there are more things behind than just swapping.
May I recommend 'Magic Earth' navigation, works fine with no internet but no live data of course.
At least there are a lot more offline navigation apps...
Out of memory:
Google Maps (partially with downloaded segmented maps)
HERE WeGo
Navmii GPS World
OsmAnd
MAPS.ME
Magic Earth
TomTom
iGo
But without internet... no traffic data..
rigattoni said:
First of all you need to fix your FM reception. You need to use a phantom power adapter to get some voltage to the OEM antenna.
There are some navigation apps which don´t need a internet connection. TomTom as example and others using offline maps. But you won´t get traffic messages if you don´t have an internet connection.
That would fix your white noise.
The FM radio can be closed if you use the back button on top right. If that does not help, chose the recent apps button on top and swipe the radio app away as for each other app... You really should learn how to use Android.
The navigation loudness can be set in the system settings. Depends on the unit where you can find it. In this case the navigation software needs to be registered as navigation in settings /Apps/Standard apps.
Regarding your 4G-WiFi dongle... The name itself shows the functionality.
It connects via 4G to the internet and provides the connection via WiFi to anyone in the car.... even too to the radio.
The GPS slot on your radio is nothing else as a micro-SD slot, which also can be used to store music on it or whatever else you want.
BTW: Seems that you are not that familiar with car electronics. May be a good idea to ask someone who can help you with some knowledge what has to be done.
Might be an easy task to just swap a radio, but there are more things behind than just swapping.
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Thanks for a helpful reply. I have already fitted a power injector for the FM antenna which made some difference but I like to listen to radio 4 and there are parts of the country (along the M11, on the A5 in North Wales), where you cannot pick it up on any radio - and of course in Europe where I have just been for a few weeks where I usually don't want the radio on at all. That's why having the nav sound set as a percentage of the existing volume seems a bit odd as it implies you already have some other sound on. Better to have a dedicated channel for it or have the nav mute any other sound.
I'll look at doing all the swiping etc to turn off the radio by closing recent apps although this doesn't seen like a very safe thing to start doing when you drive into a area of poor reception. I was hoping the unit would have a simple press button like in the good old days!
The dongle info is also useful thank you. Xtrons do not make this clear at all. They imply that by plugging it into the socket on the unit you have made a (wired) data connection. If the HU is still only connecting over wifi anyway then I can install the dongle wherever I like in the car so that it gets a good 4G signal, instead of it having to be in the driver footwell at the end of the short USB cable xtrons supply and I can use a dedicated 2A usb adaptor to supply decent power .
I guessed the 'GPS' socket might have nothing to do with GPS. Shame Xtrons couldn't say what it was for instead of just mis-labelling it.
Incidentally. The SIM in the dongle would only ever be used for the navigation to receive traffic updates or bits of map or whatever it needs i.e I don't intend to be surfing the net or downloading Utube videos. Do you have any idea what sort of data requirements this would mean. Would a 250Mb a month sim be enough?
I'll experiment with your suggestions.
rigattoni said:
At least there are a lot more offline navigation apps...
Out of memory:
Google Maps (partially with downloaded segmented maps)
HERE WeGo
Navmii GPS World
OsmAnd
MAPS.ME
Magic Earth
TomTom
iGo
But without internet... no traffic data..
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I'll look into those thank you. I use maps.me on my phone but couldn't get google maps to work on the HU as it said I was offline. Of course I still need an internet connection to download any of those apps and install them on the HU but I could just park near my house and using the house wifi.
Data plan for using navigation online data depends on the app you use and the amount of mileage per month.
You can use your smartphone first to see what you need in a "normal usage" month and then decide what you need.
If you use any offline map solution, it´s also some sort of usage dependency.
BTW... If you would invest into a higher data plan (2GB), you could use the app Radionator to use Online radio. BBC Radio4 should be in there too. Radionator is the best alternative if you want to listen to one specific radio station. Just needs a stable internet connection, nothing else... and the sound is mostly better than FM.
May be you can use the Navradio+ as alternativ solution for receiving FM radio. Depends on the MCU of your unit. Search for it in MTCD software forum.
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At least there are a lot more offline navigation apps...
Out of memory:
HERE WeGo
But without internet... no traffic data..
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I would recommend to use HERE WeGo, it served me very well for the years I didn't have mobile internet connection. Also it shows the max allowed speed in most countries, whereas Google Maps doesn't do that.
Sure, Here WeGo is a good choice, even without internet connection.