Converting files to be viewed on other 3D devices? - RED Hydrogen One Questions & Answers

I just bought one because I want to take 3D pics again like my old Evo3D and, well, RHOs are dirt cheap.
When I try to get my pics off the device there's nothing but 2D jpeg files. Is there any application that will natively let me view these as layers or in some sort of SBS manner?
I've read that the other "panels" of the image are stored in the jpeg metadata. Does anyone know if that's true? (I'll peek later when I've got time) If so, and if there's no existing application, I'd love to write one for Windows at least for myself.

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S2u2 Question: How Do I Resize Gifs???

With S2U2 now supporting .gif formats, how can i resize them without distorting the image? I have a few wallpapers I want to try myself, but I cant figure out what program to use. Can anyone help me?
hhhmmm do you mean on pc or pda?
irfanview is a good program to do it on pc
but you can never do it without it becomming blocky
all resizing do is to multiply the sizes of the pixels
no software can add new infomation to an image
those tv shows where they can keep zooming
and it audo makes the picture unblocky is just tv
I use GIMP 'Scaling' feature to scale a picture to 240 x 320, after I crop out the portion I want.
GIMP allow you to save multiple layers of pictures as gif format and even determine the speed of animation.
So....would GIMP enable you to take a 240x320 and crop it to a 240x240 like cropping a photo in other imaging software?
Yes it sure does.
GIMP may seem a bit 'daunting' for non-graphic designing tool user like me at first glance. but once you play with it for a while, it's not that difficult.
I'll give it a shot...thanks for the quick response!
is there a way to resize these in a batch rather than one by one using gimp? I just spent 30 mins trying to resize one gif and it still wouldnt even let me save it. Can someone give me some quck instructions on resizing using this program por favor?
How many layer are there in your gif file? I think the length of time taken is due to your unfamiliarity with GIMP. Otherwise, it should be pretty fast. Not sure whether there are other software out there which allows an even faster and easier way of doing this.
By the way, a question for the guru. I notice the picture quality dropped a bit after I saved them into gif. Any tips to get around such a drop?
i believe one gif had about 141 layers, is there a LIMIT to how many layers S2U2 .96 will support?

Increase zoom in album viewer

Is there any registry tweak that will allow you to zoom in closer with the album viewer software. It works great for the files I view but I need to be able to zoom in much more than it allows
Thanks
Mike
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can zoom in as far as the resolution of each image allows. I have some pretty high-res photo's (taken on a digital SLR) and I can zoom in on them until I start to see pixels. If you have low-res pics, you'll start seeing pixels much sooner.
Zooming in any further would be useless since it can't add any detail, you'll just see pixels the size of Lego blocks.
Edit: I realize you may want to examine an image pixel-per-pixel for some reason. In that case, sorry, I can't help.
Thanks for your response, If I could zoom in that close it would be great. I have some hi resolution files anywhere from 6-10 MB which open fine but I can only zoom in about 3 levels. If I could go to the level you describe, it would more than meet my needs.
Hm... Maybe there is a limit after all. I must admit I haven't tried any files in the 10mb region.
I've taken a quick look in the registry but I haven't come across anything that looks like it might solve this. Sorry.
I looked in the registry too but couldn't find any reference to HTCalbum at all. Guess I'll just have to start trying all the demos of the photo apps again...
There's a bunch of stuff under 'HKLM/Software/HTC/HTCAlbum'. Maybe you can find something I overlooked there.
Thanks, don't know why Resco didn't find that ref, I thought it scanned all directories. I couldn't find anything there either. I did change a dword from 2 to 3 in wheelzoomin frames but that didn't do anything obvious so I changed it back. Wonder if HTC support might be able to help, I've read that they're quick to respond to customer software issues but since this is more of a preference issue vs buggy software they may not offer up much.
Yeah, today I copied a 78 mega pixel image (actually a map) to my Leo and to my surprise, I can't zoom more than a certain amount in HTC Album. Anyone know a fix for this?
use resco photo manager, that one allows you to zoom in much more than the htc album. The newest version also supports multi-touch!
thanx! Tried resco; I'm flattered how they implemented multi touch this soon! only a month and a half after Leo's release.
It's really nice and fast (even faster refresh time than htc album) but I wish u could disable multi touch rotation. It's constantly confusing pinch with rotation.

Moving Wallpapers

i havn't been on the website in a long time and really love all the option you guys put up here. i will be receivin my tp2 come monday and really interested in using the HDWall, but has anyone created a software were it allows you to use a video or .gif file? i have tons of pics to choose from 1 for portriat and 1 for landscape but what about video? granted these phones prob are not made to handle constant video or i could be wrong, but a program that lets you compress a video or use a .gif and if possible run of a memory card would be a plus to minimize the use of the rom. am i making any sence, i think it would be cool. how long should it run, how big a file size it can be, i wish i was a programmer/dev. anyone can tell how i go about that, can it be self taught or a course is required.
it could be video clips, cartoons or a slide show of pictures
the new dusk sense rom/theme i believe has an animated wallpaper feature, its not really developed alot though, but this would answer your question....

[Q] can you edit word documents with the pen?

to use the stylus to write directly onto a word document with just a jpeg picture on with the pressure sensitivity. this would be incredibly useful and worth the price tag alone.
Do you have to be a guest to attend the london launch event tonight?
as soon as someone confirms this is possible I will go ahead and purchase it. Nb I don't even need the ability necesserily to converrt with the device as I can do that on my computer but to write on the word document is what I need.
If there ar any developers as such who read this could you please do some research because Im sure others would love this feature, saving edited word documents big respect to all the kitchen people, this device is going to be incredible.
n e one know about this. Well I guess I will just have to spend the money to found out come tomorrow. The most amazing thing will be, if i teamviewer my homepc when away from it using whatever teamviewer apps android have hese days and it recognizes the samsung stylus as wacom compatible then i can write on all my home documents when away from the 'office' as it were.
this would be incredible and i will try it out, to continue the conversation with myself. surely this is something a german would have though of by now though... ,.... cheers
im going to edit this thread for at least two weeks with creative ideas like for an application to capture every page of a word document, say if there is 100 pages automatically then save it in one large folder as jpegs or png which will allow the user the draw on word documents effectively.
Isn't it more simple to convert a word document to a PDF file and make notes in the PDF file? There are even already PDF converters and PDF edititng apps with which you can draw notes available in the market.
yes i can, but then i would have to convert back to a word document, only doing to by saving the pages as jpegs then inserting them into word without OCR recognition.(because ocr recognition or anything similar messed it up[see below for specifics]) I do this though because then I can see my notes over three large monitors whilst all pdf viewers like adobe for windows only allow you to see two pages at a time clearly on one screen.
Having amassed allot of notes into jpg formatt, which is actually quite useful. editing them with a wacom pen is quite bliss. Although most pdf to word converters claim to work, I believe it is very hard and having searched high and low for years they never render the text acurately enouph , specifically tables , graphs, maths language etc.
So you are right in that I could convert my word document s back to pdf , ocr ecognize them in adobe and then draw on the with the samsung. Then, convert them back to word in jpegs to see 6 or more documents at a time although the transition of when i get back to my office from a day 'out' taking notes will be quite unpractical in that I have to spend a while saving my pdf's into jpeg format and overwriting my older file,,then having to convert back again when i go back 'out' to make notes.
This is presuming I can edit my notes when I get back to the office, and knowing the wacom pen works with the samsung im sure this shouldnt be a proble as i ave a wacom intuos 4.
Having said that... ... brain stops thinking. I should patten my idea of an application that screen captures every page in a document automatically or series of documents. If i knew how to program id make a few bucks...hint hint anyone who reads this with broad android knowledge. I've never used android before
also i've sent consirable time snipping parts of pages in pdfs to insert as jpegs into word and this takes up 50% of my time editing them in word. So, your right I think in that 50% of the time for those native files i have in pdf I'm sorted otherwise im not considering the stamp feature to amnually put in 100 stamps for each document .... . I asked a guy on youtube if he could test a word document for me.
in terms of development if you'd like me to specify what i mean about teamviewer and the current use of wacom pens in word 2010 id be happy to screenshot and show you. But ideally the world wants this feature on release(with an app). Same goes for the editing word documents fingers crossed i guess as there is no light as of yet in the note specific apps or what is in the device by default specifically . cheerz

Converting files to be viewed on other 3D devices?

I just bought one because I want to take 3D pics again like my old Evo3D and, well, RHOs are dirt cheap.
When I try to get my pics off the device there's nothing but 2D jpeg files. Is there any application that will natively let me view these as layers or in some sort of SBS manner?
I've read that the other "panels" of the image are stored in the jpeg metadata. Does anyone know if that's true? (I'll peek later when I've got time) If so, and if there's no existing application, I'd love to write one for Windows at least for myself.
Small update, I have a very preliminary application which inspects the files but I'm just not finding the right data for the alternate images. I can see the main image's jpeg data and a 2nd set of Jpeg tags in some of the files, but so far they've all been thumbnails. (I'm sure EVERYONE is waiting with baited breath for my progress reports, heh.)
I am actually really interested in this. It would be great to be able to put put to a 3d file system that could be used on a projector etc. Since alot of the things in the hydrogen network were not shot on the hydrogen and we're converted ( if you look at the release date you can tell there was no hydrogen in 2007) it seems like somoneware someone knows how to convert normal things to show on the screen going backwards should be easy. ( Should be no idea how to do it myself ) Instagram phariss_design
Hi ... this is a little late and I may not have it down pat... but I have some data. I bought a new RHO cheap...and it has not come yet... but I have been researching things.
I found a post on YouTube...
Michael Johnston
1 year ago
3840x2160 are the largest dimensions. To upload h4v video to YouTube like this you just change the file name from .h4v to .sbs as far as still images go I am not sure if that is possible. The h4v format works with a specific screen made by a company called Leia. It uses nanoparticles somehow and without the screen you don't get the effect. Of course the screen technology is not specific to hydrogen, it seems Leia wants to make it available more widely. The Hydrogen One is just the first device to employ it.
This allows you to upload a side-by-side video. Also, there are 2 video streams that are combined to make the 3D video that results. These videos however are not simply 2 streams... they are basically 4 streams with 2 more streams being interpolated from the existing 2 streams.... this is to support the Leia light filed display and the way it works.
Obviously, a developer somewhere has the software to convert content... but with the RHO being abandonware... both as hardware and software... chances are good that we will never see this software for purchase or release. It is industrial Movie publication type software I am sure... and I would not have any idea where to even get it.
The programs in the RHO... the ones for downloading games and such ... are supposedly still open... at least the game one... but the sharing aspect I hear is kaput! I see that Leia does have ... if you are a developer... a beta software that you can get that transfers between formats into their Lightfield sharing site. I think you have to be a developer...and it will be commercial software as well... in terms of being a development tool. It is called "Lightfield Studio"...
Lightfield Studio - Developer Docs
Bring your videos to life by converting them into Lightfield videos optimized for LitByLeia devices.
docs.leialoft.com
I think it goes both ways.... MP4 to the MP4 H4V variant... and then back to normal video.
Lightfield Studio: Beta Version has three core features:
Orbital Content Conversion
Stereo Content Conversion
2D Content Conversion
Input Filetypes Supported:
3D SBS MP4: A 3D video in an SBS format appended with _2x1.mp4 at the end of the filename.
H4V: A file extension used in the RED ecosystem for 3D video files.
Export Filetype:
Quad Lightfield: Your converted output file will be an MP4 video in the Quad 4V Lightfield format, with _2x2.mp4 appended to the end of the filename.
For pictures and videos that you want to share as H4V check out the beta software "Lightfield Image Tools".
H4V Image tools for RED Hydrogen One
arch Hare Software Ltd. 85-87 Bayham Street Camden Town, London, NW1 0AG, United Kingdom
March Hare Software LLC. 200 Broadhollow Road, Suite 207, Melville, NY 11747, United States
March Hare Software UG. Europadamm 4, 41460 Neuss, Germany
March Hare Pty Ltd. PO Box 139 Narrabeen, NSW 2101, Australia
email [email protected]
It will populate the metadata on your exported H4V clips and will also add a watermark. It will output your 3D pics... as one image with side-by-side.
This is beta software...and runs under MacOS. For now it is command line driven... and it is beta. I don't know if this software will ever come out of beta or not. It would be nice if the author is able to do it. He says he will sell this software to others when it is done.
The magic behind the H4V format is hooked to the RHO screen by Leia. Without the physics of the display... you cannot directly output the file to a projector. If you can convert it to a SBS image then you can process it to the red/blue 3-D glasses and you could probably have some type of 3D presentation. Those types of glasses are available in plastic... and you don't have to have a cheap cardboard pair from a cheesy 1950's movie.
I am not an expert on this subject matter but I still have a first generation Lytro Lightfield camera.... and I still use it. I just wish that there was a way to convert those lotto images to the RHO format. Ah well, the Lytro software will export I think into 3D -Glasses type output...and that Leia software... seems to be able to take the SBS format and put it into the RHO format. Oh, that Leia software... they are developing it for Windows AND MacOS.
Hopefully I have been helpful. If you learn anything about this... hit me up... or for that matter ... IF ANY OF YOU OUT THERE READ THIS... hit me up ;-)
I heard from the developer who is writing the software "H4V Image Tools". Information: H4V Image tools for RED Hydrogen One. He is really nice. I told him that people are desperately looking for something that will convert one format … the H4V format… into some other 3D format and back and that I was looking for something to convert photos from the old Lytro Lightfield camera into a Red Hydrogen One picture format.
An excerpt from his e-mails is below:
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Yes, we’re still developing H4VAPP!
It’s a bit of a “side project” so it tends to get the schedule pushed around.
For regular updates, please follow us on Facebook:
H4V Image Tools
H4V Image Tools. 71 likes. H4VAPP is a tool that bulk converts Lightfield images (aka Leia Image Format or H4V images, e.g.: from Hydrogen One). The app may also be used with MPO files and images...
www.facebook.com
But I did update the license and add a requested feature back in November 2020, and I hope to make more progress in February 2021.
Due to the retirement of the RED Hydrogen One and the H4V file type, there is some re-branding also going on, and a new web site coming. Of course the product will be the same, and still support all the old file types.
H4VAPP already does what you describe.
It converts H4V format into Side-by-Side or separate L/R. It’ll also extract MPO’s. If there is a depth map it extracts that too. You can use the same command to convert side-by-side to H4V, though strictly speaking this is not necessary because the hydrogen and Leia hardware all read SBS OK. The Twin cameras on the H1 and LumePad hardware don’t include a ToF sensor, so there is no hardware based depth map. Any depth map from a LumePad or H1 is algorithmically derived from the SBS images. So therefore the depth map can be derived again from the SBS image. i.e.: the SBS image is the basis for everything else.
The very next thing I want to do is create MPO’s (aka Fuji) as an output format, since I think that’s considered a bit of a “standard” in the 3D world.
I guess in theory it should be possible to generate a depth map from a Lytro image and attach it to an image and you could then view that on Hydrogen or Leia hardware. It’s not a substitute for side-by-side. As I described above, without a ‘Right’ image, the H1/LumePad hardware is going to struggle. But with a single image and a depth map (aka iPhone/Google Phone) the Leia desktop software should be able to generate an H4V from it....
I would like to be able to generate iPhone compatible ‘portrait’/3D images from H4V. This would be a pre-requisite to doing anything with the Lytro AFAICT (see above).
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I am going to send him some "actual" Lytro Lightfield images taken with my camera. He said that demo images provided by a manufacturer are often slightly different than what the device actually produces. In the meantime, I am going to play around with his beta software and determine what is in the realm of possibility. The best thing is that the developer is working on the software still. The last part is obviously the Mac interface... but he is trying to get the functionality down pat first... the interface is the easy part. LOL.
Anyway... hopefully if you are reading this you will try the software and see if it fits your needs. More good news is that the developer says that "Any depth map from a LumePad or H1 is algorithmically derived from the SBS images. So therefore the depth map can be derived again from the SBS image. i.e.: the SBS image is the basis for everything else". I think I misspoke earlier in the post... I talked about 4 streams ... I think a better description is that you have 2 streams with the 2 other views decoded algorithmically as the file is decoded for play. Sorry for that distinction... but I think that is more correct... as the Red Hydrogen One uses 4V ... V as in views... for the Leia Lightfield display.
Hope this helps. I am going to determine for myself what my experience is with the phone when it arrives.
Any questions about my post, hit me up. ;-)
At the risk of writing a 3rd post in as many days, I wanted to let you know that there are programs out there that will convert "normal" videos into an SBS (Side-By-Side) format (or even "Anaglyph" format.
The SBS format is typically a Virtual Reality Format. The Anaglyph format uses the old red/cyan 3D glasses like the old style 3D movies you would watch years ago. I have a nice pair of Anaglyph plastic glasses I bought on Amazon. They are not expensive. YouTube also has a lot of both VR (SBS) and Anaglyph formatted videos.
So, the Holy Grail of this post... how to get normal movies converted to be able to be seen on the Red Hydrogen One? Most people think that you have to have a video file in the H4v format so that it can be played on the RHO. That is one way. This is where the beta software from H4V Image tools for RED Hydrogen One comes in. You can convert SBS video into H4V video using this program. I know I will buy it when it comes out of Beta.
More simple an easier is to just use the .SBS file. The RHO software can consume .SBS files directly without conversion. If you do convert a .SBS file to an MP4 file, you must append the file name with "_2x1" and us an extension of ".mp4". If you don't append that on the file name then the RHO player won't parse it correctly and recognize it for what it is.
I sent the H4V Image Tools developer a bunch of files... including the "living Image File" for a picture taken with my Lytro camera. he now has those and may be able to work some of those formats into his tool.
As an aside, I found a wonderful program that converts regular images into SBS files and Anaglyph files. The name of the software is "VideoSolo Video Converter Ultimate". I bought it for the Mac but they have a version for Windows. I paid $39.95 for it and I think it performs very well and is worth the money. You can use a NLE like Davinci Resolve or some other program to make SBS files, but this program does a wide range of file types, etc.
Check out the user guide at: User Guide: https://www.videosolo.com/video-converter-ultimate/user-guide.html
Anyway... I think I have pretty much added my two cents worth so to speak. Hopefully you have found my posts on this subject interesting.
Good luck...and keep enjoying your own content, etc. on the Red Hydrogen One. ;-)
TheMactrix said:
Hi ... this is a little late and I may not have it down pat... but I have some data. I bought a new RHO cheap...and it has not come yet... but I have been researching things.
I found a post on YouTube...
Michael Johnston
1 year ago
3840x2160 are the largest dimensions. To upload h4v video to YouTube like this you just change the file name from .h4v to .sbs as far as still images go I am not sure if that is possible. The h4v format works with a specific screen made by a company called Leia. It uses nanoparticles somehow and without the screen you don't get the effect. Of course the screen technology is not specific to hydrogen, it seems Leia wants to make it available more widely. The Hydrogen One is just the first device to employ it.
This allows you to upload a side-by-side video. Also, there are 2 video streams that are combined to make the 3D video that results. These videos however are not simply 2 streams... they are basically 4 streams with 2 more streams being interpolated from the existing 2 streams.... this is to support the Leia light filed display and the way it works.
Obviously, a developer somewhere has the software to convert content... but with the RHO being abandonware... both as hardware and software... chances are good that we will never see this software for purchase or release. It is industrial Movie publication type software I am sure... and I would not have any idea where to even get it.
The programs in the RHO... the ones for downloading games and such ... are supposedly still open... at least the game one... but the sharing aspect I hear is kaput! I see that Leia does have ... if you are a developer... a beta software that you can get that transfers between formats into their Lightfield sharing site. I think you have to be a developer...and it will be commercial software as well... in terms of being a development tool. It is called "Lightfield Studio"...
Lightfield Studio - Developer Docs
Bring your videos to life by converting them into Lightfield videos optimized for LitByLeia devices.
docs.leialoft.com
I think it goes both ways.... MP4 to the MP4 H4V variant... and then back to normal video.
Lightfield Studio: Beta Version has three core features:
Orbital Content Conversion
Stereo Content Conversion
2D Content Conversion
Input Filetypes Supported:
3D SBS MP4: A 3D video in an SBS format appended with _2x1.mp4 at the end of the filename.
H4V: A file extension used in the RED ecosystem for 3D video files.
Export Filetype:
Quad Lightfield: Your converted output file will be an MP4 video in the Quad 4V Lightfield format, with _2x2.mp4 appended to the end of the filename.
For pictures and videos that you want to share as H4V check out the beta software "Lightfield Image Tools".
H4V Image tools for RED Hydrogen One
arch Hare Software Ltd. 85-87 Bayham Street Camden Town, London, NW1 0AG, United Kingdom
March Hare Software LLC. 200 Broadhollow Road, Suite 207, Melville, NY 11747, United States
March Hare Software UG. Europadamm 4, 41460 Neuss, Germany
March Hare Pty Ltd. PO Box 139 Narrabeen, NSW 2101, Australia
email [email protected]
It will populate the metadata on your exported H4V clips and will also add a watermark. It will output your 3D pics... as one image with side-by-side.
This is beta software...and runs under MacOS. For now it is command line driven... and it is beta. I don't know if this software will ever come out of beta or not. It would be nice if the author is able to do it. He says he will sell this software to others when it is done.
The magic behind the H4V format is hooked to the RHO screen by Leia. Without the physics of the display... you cannot directly output the file to a projector. If you can convert it to a SBS image then you can process it to the red/blue 3-D glasses and you could probably have some type of 3D presentation. Those types of glasses are available in plastic... and you don't have to have a cheap cardboard pair from a cheesy 1950's movie.
I am not an expert on this subject matter but I still have a first generation Lytro Lightfield camera.... and I still use it. I just wish that there was a way to convert those lotto images to the RHO format. Ah well, the Lytro software will export I think into 3D -Glasses type output...and that Leia software... seems to be able to take the SBS format and put it into the RHO format. Oh, that Leia software... they are developing it for Windows AND MacOS.
Hopefully I have been helpful. If you learn anything about this... hit me up... or for that matter ... IF ANY OF YOU OUT THERE READ THIS... hit me up ;-)
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You don't need to be a developer to use the lightfield studio Software. It is Beta software though, but the folks over at H4Vuser.net the Hydrogen (H4V) Content - Free Platform ... that has technical folks who worked on the hardware... as well as people like you and me.... indicate that this software was the software that was used to convert 2D content into 3D content for RHO consumption. If you have questions about the RHO, I suggest you go to this link and see what answers are there for you. Better yet, you could join the site.
we have the best online destination for converting your 2D and 3D images. also, 3d movie conversion and 3d movies are all gets high demand. but don't good application for converting 2d to 3d movies perfectly. The creation of stereoscopic images from monocular photographs do it difficult. my friend all are doing manually 3d movie conversion. i asked to many people about the 3d movie conversion app. but did not get useful answers.so I ask you all who know the best 3d movie conversion app? suggest here

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