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OK, couldn't find a similar thread, so I will make a new one. I am a Noob when it comes to tablets and their OS restrictions (I've heard of boot-loaders and stuff but don't know exactly what they are).
So to the question - say I get something like this: Lenovo Ideatab K2110, which runs on an Intel X86 architecture.
Then when Windows 8 come out, can I get a license and run it on the device? Will that be possible? I know it is sort of early, but I am thinking about tablets and evaluating the options. Not really a fan of Android and iOS as I've always used windows, so I was just wondering if I get an Intel-based ICS 4.0 device, whether I can upgrade to Win eventually if I am not happy with it.
Also, I haven't found anything on the net, for convertable Android Intel-based tablets (like the Transformer) - anyone read anything on the topic? As if I upgrade to Win 8, I'd prefer a keyboard-dockable device.
Any help will be much appreciated!
To clarify - I am asking because of affordability - currently Win 7 tablets are very expensive. But if I get Android and decide that Win 8 is worth the money eventually then I will probably invest in it. I know the switch from Win 7 to Win 8 will be easy but Win 7 is crap until Win 8 comes out AND it is more expensive than Android so I see no reason to buy such a device.
And while on topic - how much would an Android shave off the price of a similar system with Win 8? Are Win 7 tablets so expensive because of the hardware or because of the software?
Edit: Just saw a similar thread in the Dev forum! I guess someone else has the same idea as me and it sounds plausible! Just waiting for an appropriate dockable device then Still, anyone heard about any convertible tablets with Intel chips?
You may be the first one in XDA say that Windows 7 sucks.
yeah, it can be suck for Tablet because it is a platform which Windows 7 wasn't aimed for.
And i don;t have a clear answer for the question because they can have the same hardware but install an OS on it is a different story.
For an example, in order to install Windows on a iMac is a stupid progress, even other PCs can use the same specs.
On a tablet it isn't good as far as I am aware. On my laptop - I love it. Anyway, are we going to know for sure when the Win 8 beta and some Intel Android device is out? I mean, would guys around here work out whether it will be possible at that stage?
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On a tablet it isn't good as far as I am aware. On my laptop - I love it. Anyway, are we going to know for sure when the Win 8 beta and some Intel Android device is out? I mean, would guys around here work out whether it will be possible at that stage?
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I bet most people here would buy off a tablet which run Windows 8 on a Second Gen Core i series.
ASUS seem to be a great deal over this.
does it use the regular BIOS when turned on? if so then yea it'll work. Im not so sure about that touchscreen though, there might not be drivers available for it. It really depends if the controller has been used regularly in windows, or if its some obscure chip that is only now being used in that device.
Based on little knowledge,Win 8 needs 'bios' , be it tablet or mobile.
OEM have to customise the hardware architechture.
I guess win 8 should run all the apps of win 7, based on the excellent backward compatibility of win o/s in general. again certain apps depend on the hardware architechture and the customisations the OEM offer. I may be wrong
As of now, the chaces for such porting seem low, unless some developers here in the community come up with another solution.
as long as it can have BIOS loaded, and drivers can be created, then the answer is yes, it will be possible
mtmerrick said:
as long as it can have BIOS loaded, and drivers can be created, then the answer is yes, it will be possible
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Thats exactly it,and with the cheap intel based android tablets coming on the market now,2 years later,this takes on more importance. I do wonder what boot loader they are using for the android tablets. I see that AMD is going to start getting into the mix,and that could be interesting because I understand that AMD has been supporting coreboot. If coreboot is ported to the chipsets in use,it might make an easy path to putting windows or linux on those tablets. Basicly,core boot handles low level hardware initialization,then loads an EFI or OpenBIOS payload,then your off and running In fact,if coreboot is ported,we might even see some RUN coreboot as the bootloader. With android,I can see simply using coreboot to directly boot into the linux kernel,and into android. But if they use it,its open source,so they need to release the code,and your good to go.
>Intel Android tablet to Windows 8?
OP should keep up with tech news.
http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/3/5267360/intel-dual-os-pc-plus-android-windows-microsoft-objection
TL;DR: Per the piece's header. But MS & Google aren't onboard for turf reasons.
Edit: Oops, just noticed this thread is 2-yrs old, being necro'ed by last posting dude. Disregard response.
many tablets with dual os are available now
e.mote said:
>Intel Android tablet to Windows 8?
OP should keep up with tech news.
http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/3/5267360/intel-dual-os-pc-plus-android-windows-microsoft-objection
TL;DR: Per the piece's header. But MS & Google aren't onboard for turf reasons.
Edit: Oops, just noticed this thread is 2-yrs old, being necro'ed by last posting dude. Disregard response.
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onda v919, teclast air ii, air 3g , etc and many others have dual os.
Maybe it will soon be possible to run android and windows nt nativly at the same time on the SGT!
how? - ReactOS:
http://www.reactos.org/ (if you are going to test it in a virtual machine dont' use the 0.3.14 version of os, use the trunk build version its much much much better)
ReactOS is an open source windows clone and most of the windows applications work on it ! (MS office, opera, ff, ...) the good news is there is an ARM port of ReactOS - Windows RT equivalent:
http://www.reactos.org/wiki/ARM_Port
ReactOS still has problems to work on real hardware because of many different components but on some PC it works very well (it can be targeted to SGT fix the bugs)
The ARM port is able to run on the SGT but there is still a lot of work to do.
Windows will soon release a Office ARM version for winRT and in order to run any windows application on the SGT a recompile is needed.
and about android there is already a port of android that runs native on windowsne emulation no virtual machine !!)
http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/13/...tm_medium=feed
If anyone has any coding skills it would be nice to try to port reactos to the SGT or just to donate to the project with the subject "arm port for SGT"
This runs pretty well even at alpha stage, I tested it in virtualbox in my laptop, and I'll test it on emulator in my SGT soon... they've planned to bring it up to windows 8... hope that everyone interested here will help the fundraising...
I posted this just to keep this thread up, so don't blame me for not saying anything useful...
I think(theory) that it will run very smoothly on SGT, because it only uses 6mb of graphic memory, I tested it with 256mb RAM and 500mb HDD, and it was better than my expectations!
I really recommend all to try it...:good:
While I applause the developers efforts and certainly see potential benefit..I wonder still if it not more practical to remote desktop as thin client using an app like splashtop for full windows desktop usability?
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Awesome
This is awesome! Great work!
This would be great.But, what I would really like,is to have all 3 OS on one tablet.
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This would be great.But, what I would really like,is to have all 3 OS on one tablet.
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Why you gotta get greedy 5 posts in?
I have 20 US Dollars for the first person that can port even an alpha of this, and an extra 15 USD to anyone who can fix up our Ubuntu port (everything needed to fix the kernel is available in Samsung's ICS kernel). There are just too many sweet things that we get close to but never actually get.
Has there even been any Android based device that has had ReactOS running on it ever?
It sounds like OP is just rambling nonsense and wishful thinking.
The ARM port is able to run on the SGT but there is still a lot of work to do.
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What is the basis for this statement? Has someone demonstrated any ReactOS code running on a Tegra 2? Is it simply because someone put up that ARM Port section of the wiki? The ARM CPUs represent a wide range of devices. Just because someone decided to put up a blurb about that doesn't mean we are anywhere close to getting a worth while port of ReactOS running on this device.
Why is there a link to some Slashdot story from 1998?
Perhaps this is the way to go to make this tablet suck less, but I would recommend switching to a windows tablet, either a Rt-based or a x86-based tablet. Back when galaxy tab 2 10.1 came to the stores, I went ahead and got one.
And that was a decision I soon came to regret deeply. Android is simply not comparable to windows, not even on a tablet.
So I went to buy a hp elitepad, running windows 8 pro. This impressed me so much that I also bought an Asus vivotab Rt.
The fact that the elitepad is running x86, means that I now will install virtualbox, and then install android for x86.
And perhaps mac os, windows nt, bsd or Ubuntu. Time will show.
My point here being, it is better to start with a superior os and then install the inferior ones, instead of doing this in reverse.
ottoen said:
Perhaps this is the way to go to make this tablet suck less, but I would recommend switching to a windows tablet, either a Rt-based or a x86-based tablet. Back when galaxy tab 2 10.1 came to the stores, I went ahead and got one.
And that was a decision I soon came to regret deeply. Android is simply not comparable to windows, not even on a tablet.
So I went to buy a hp elitepad, running windows 8 pro. This impressed me so much that I also bought an Asus vivotab Rt.
The fact that the elitepad is running x86, means that I now will install virtualbox, and then install android for x86.
And perhaps mac os, windows nt, bsd or Ubuntu. Time will show.
My point here being, it is better to start with a superior os and then install the inferior ones, instead of doing this in reverse.
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You really can't compare a weak Tegra 2 processor to a much more powerful Intel processor, based on two totally different architectures, running two totally different OSes, two totally different tablets with entirely different specs... You're comparing a snail to a Toyota sports car.
Try out a Tegra 4 tablet or a Snapdragon 800 tablet... That's some good stuff. Nexus 10 too, Exynos is a beast.
i want to install android on ativ 3 , is that possible? , what version do you guys recommend? has anyone tried that? Thank you!
here you can see it
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Wow, it seems i bought a nono... it seems no one has it or ever heard of it...
It does indeed seem that way. Since it runs "real" Windows you can probably use something like BlueStacks on it? Actually installing Android (and having it work) will require driver support in Android which may not exist; even fairly popular Windows tablet lines like the Surface Pro family have driver troubles in Android.
I've been doing a lot of research on this tablet. Ended up picking up a refurb for $250, and with 64GB I'd like to do a dual boot if possible.
However, looking at Wikipedia, there isn't a single tablet with the Atom Z2760 with Android. They're all running Windows 8.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_(system_on_chip)
I'm an amateur developer, finishing up my CS degree this Spring. If someone more experienced than me thinks this is actually possible, I'll look into trying to make it happen. If there are any resources that may be relevant, post them or send me a PM.
I own a Samsung ATIV Tab 3 as well. I have not been using it since after updating to windows 10 it has become extremely slow. On the other hand I really like the pen and its responsiveness.
Have you found any way to install android or another light OS?
Ideally I would like to utilize the device as a digital notepad.
Currently, there are Bliss OS or Prime OS but I am testing Prime OS, I don't expect straightforward and easy installation but let's hope for the best...
@UserBroskyXDA, have you been successfull with Prime OS ? I have windows 10 running on my machine and its extremely slow.
Hello everyone!
This is my first post, so excuse me if I make any mistake, but I precise that I've made some researches before posting here.
So, I pledged the Remix Ultra Tablet on Kickstarter which will run on Android 4.4.4 and soon on Lollipop.
The thing is that this tablet has a Tegra 4, like the Surface 2 right? So I wonder if there is a way to dual boot with Windows 8 or 8.1 or RT or any form of Windows.
I would like to keep the Android part because I really like it, so a dual boot would be amazing.
Do you think it is possible? If so, can you help me in the process please?
I precise that I have no experience with any Surface Tablet, or any form of Windows Tablet RT.
I only have a little experience with Android, root, flash on my OnePlus One.
Thank you
That probably won't happen, I imagine Linux or Ubuntu are more likely in the future. Due to the Remix being a Surface clone already I would worry about the porter being sent a C&D letter from Microsoft.
Also I have only read of the HTC HD2 running RT thanks to the WP8 kernel that was previously available.
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It's not that I don't believe you, but I just would like more answer and be sure I can't :/
Thanks
Well there's still the main issue of no android device having UEFI support, which is important for W8/10 and Windows phone 8/10. However that won't matter because Windows is a licensed OS.
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Wouldn't say that RT isn't completely impossible on your device. You said it's a Surface clone and the Surface 2 does infact run a Tegra 4, like many other Windows RT tablets & laptops.
8 or 8.1 however is written for a completely different cpu architecture.
Just notice that RT and PC versions of Windows differ. You won't be able to install any programs downloaded from the internet, like on a PC. Only apps downloaded from the app store.
Personally I would rather stick with android since Microsoft's app store has very little to offer compared with Google's app store.
just a quick question before purchase sm-p550
are these tablets 32bit or 64, how does one actually tell?
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just a quick question before purchase sm-p550
are these tablets 32bit or 64, how does one actually tell?
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It's 64 bit, there are apps that tell you device info, a d thats what it reports it is, also i tested the dolphin emulator on this tab and it installed and it is a 64bit only app.
well it turns out the SM-P550 touchwiz is arm 7 32bit and takes the v86.0 sdk23 arm version of xposed for 6.01 marshmallow
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well it turns out the SM-P550 touchwiz is arm 7 32bit and takes the v86.0 sdk23 arm version of xposed for 6.01 marshmallow
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What? My English is not good enough. I understand that tab A is 64 bits but Samsung launcher is 32. Is that it?
The processor is x64, bus bandwidth though is 32 bit.
A 64 processor with a 32 bus? It's like a big parking with a little in/out! LOL
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A 64 processor with a 32 bus? It's like a big parking with a little in/out! LOL
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it is NOT 64bit, it does not have 64bit run time libararies nor libs, I know I build custom ROM for it...
unless you guys talking about upcoming new Tab A, that's different story
T580 has 64bit Exynos processor.
I have sm-t707 at&t (32bit exynos) and sm-t707v (32bit snapdragon) and my son's sm-t580 (64bit exynos) the power and responsivity of snapdragon is much higher but graphically is poor exynos 5420 is much better, sm-t580 (exynos 64bit) has exatly the same power of sm-t707, but energy compsuntion is HALF (!)
Can I update my galaxy tab A so that its bandwidth is 64 bit
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it is NOT 64bit, it does not have 64bit run time libararies nor libs, I know I build custom ROM for it...
unless you guys talking about upcoming new Tab A, that's different story
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What about the (SM-T380) Galaxy Tab A 8.0 (2017)? because I upgraded my guess is that the newer tab A 8.0 can run 64bit apps but has a 32bit system?
To me 64bit sux hind tit. I have been messing with 64bit tv boxes, the best and most reliable run 32bit firmware.
At least in my testing up to Nougat 7.1 , there is no real world benefit with 64bit firmware. In fact it bloats your system big time. Peeps in the know, know what i am talking about.
I can't believe its almost 2020 and peeps think more bits is better. Until they make risc cpus mainstream, nobody will really know any better. This type of talk has been a gimmick for adding sales since 1988. More bits don't do squat without a true os to make it work, and apps built around it. If you want speed, get an octacore or multi octacore system, dont waste your money on bits that go ignored with most apps.
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To me 64bit sux hind tit. I have been messing with 64bit tv boxes, the best and most reliable run 32bit firmware.
At least in my testing up to Nougat 7.1 , there is no real world benefit with 64bit firmware. In fact it bloats your system big time. Peeps in the know, know what i am talking about.
I can't believe its almost 2020 and peeps think more bits is better. Until they make risc cpus mainstream, nobody will really know any better. This type of talk has been a gimmick for adding sales since 1988. More bits don't do squat without a true os to make it work, and apps built around it. If you want speed, get an octacore or multi octacore system, dont waste your money on bits that go ignored with most apps.
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Till a big company like Google forces older devices out of the market by pulling an apple and making 64bit only apps
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Till a big company like Google forces older devices out of the market by pulling an apple and making 64bit only apps
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According to Google's plans, after August 1, any apps and app updates that include native code are required to provide 64-bit versions in addition to 32-bit versions when publishing to Google Play. For the 32-bit diehards, Google has an additional shot of bad news: Google Play will only accept 32-bit only updates to existing games that use Unity 5.6 or older until August 2021.
It sure looks like Google is inching toward the line of 64 bit only.
I know the processor is able to handle 64 bit and that Android 7 is using a 32-bit environment. I have the update to 8.1 downloaded but what I would like to know is did Samsung add the 64 bit environment to the 8.1 update. I would assume no..as I don't expect for a happy ending. I normally could care less. However, Elder Scrolls Blades is the first app i have come across that will not install and say in the installer itself it is not compatible. After looking in the logcat i saw that it failed when attempting to access 64 bit instruction set..or libraries...whatever it is had 64 all over it. So can anyone give me the absolute answer that Android 8 on this tab is still 32 bit or does it have the 64 bit native?
the other issue with Samsung is the lack of kernel and device trees for there roms means we cannot even easily make a 64bit custom rom like lineageOS with out struggling to figure out the proper way to port with the configs and what not....
so then we are screwed if we arent a dev. Its already hard enough to even find the SM-P580 in xda forums. Let alone have someone go back in time to the tab forgotten. Unless I missed a release..this one is the last over 7 inch tab with an s-pen. Well after typing that i looked at samsungs website and realized I missed it because they kept the S4 brand and slapped it on a tab. I'd try the kitchen myself if there were any ROMs out there that i could at least get permission to mess with.