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I just switched from Galaxy S3 on ATT to Droid Turbo on Verizon.
Signal outside was fine (on par with ATT), but today I went to work, I work in office area that is located in the middle of one story warehouse/production line environment., with ATT I was getting 4G LTE with 3 to 5 bars, now with Verizon i'm getting 3G with 1-2 bars, but when you try to do anything, nothing works, from time to time it even switches to something called 1x. what the hell is 1x?
whats the point of droid turbo large battery when its draining fast because poor thing can't get signal.
People always assume that because Verizon is the biggest that it covers every square inch of the United States. This of course, is not true. There are going to be areas where you have crappy signal or no signal at all. There are quite a few places in California where I have no signal but someone with AT&T does. It's just the way it is. I would check with Verizon and make sure you're covered in that area. If you're not. You might want to consider going back to AT&T
Many things factor into signal, as well. Different carriers use different frequencies and wavelengths, and different things impact the reception of those frequencies differently. I worked in a building where Sprint signal was 100% all the time, but Verizon was crap. They had film on the windows (the help block sun and keep AC costs down) that didn't play well with VZW. When the company started moving to VZW for their company provided phones, it became a real issue (personal phones didn't really matter to them), and the film was changed.
Stucco/cement buildings aren't great for phone reception of any kind, but for all you know, there could have been an AT&T tower very near you, and the VZW tower is simply further away. Going inside the building further impedes that signal, so you get less of it on VZW.
To answer your other question, 1X is 2G service, and the slowest speed that Verizon has. 1X/2G, 3G and 4G LTE. It (usually) means that it is the best signal available and your phone is using it for a constant connection, vs. spotty 3G/4G. Again, this can be based on frequencies and bands within the VZW spectrum, and shouldn't really be compared to another phone on another carrier.
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People always assume that because Verizon is the biggest that it covers every square inch of the United States. This of course, is not true. There are going to be areas where you have crappy signal or no signal at all. There are quite a few places in California where I have no signal but someone with AT&T does. It's just the way it is. I would check with Verizon and make sure you're covered in that area. If you're not. You might want to consider going back to AT&T
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Verizon has by far the best and most uniform coverage nationwide, but no US carrier is excellent, and every carrier has their strong spots and their weak spots, necessitating - unfortunately - choosing a carrier based on your location.
It sounds like where you work is a Verizon weak spot, and an AT&T strong spot.
Essentially, if you were to choose a random spot - any spot - within the U.S., and do this a hundred to a thousand times, Verizon would - on average - perform better than anyone else, but in any given spot, Verizon could suck, and someone else could be better.
Not sure how it is these days, but back in the day of iPhone exclusivity on AT&T, AT&T was pretty much unusable in all of New York City.
I switched from AT&T to Verizon 2-3 years ago (giving up my unlimited data in the process) because here in Boston I was simply getting too many dropped calls on AT&T. Verizon was a clear improvement, but still not perfect.
generally around here in the greater Boston area the consensus is:
Verizon > AT&T >> TMobile > Sprint > those other nobodies.
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I just switched from Galaxy S3 on ATT to Droid Turbo on Verizon.
Signal outside was fine (on par with ATT), but today I went to work, I work in office area that is located in the middle of one story warehouse/production line environment., with ATT I was getting 4G LTE with 3 to 5 bars, now with Verizon i'm getting 3G with 1-2 bars, but when you try to do anything, nothing works, from time to time it even switches to something called 1x. what the hell is 1x?
whats the point of droid turbo large battery when its draining fast because poor thing can't get signal.
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Your title is a little mis-leading.
In any given location, any particular carrier may have more or less signal coverage than any of the other carriers. Sounds like you just happen to work in a place where AT&T coverage is better. That doesn't mean that Verizon's coverage is "horrible", because NO carrier can state that they work everywhere.
If it's that bad, you may want to consider returning the phone and switching back.
while I understand what all of you are saying.
but this is not one of those cases.
I stepped outside the back of the building, I stepped out the front of the building and I get 4-5 bars 4G LTE with 25-35Mbps transfer speed, sounds perfect...
I go back In the building I get 3G with 1-2 bars that don't work, or some 1x bull****.
Its not the "area" its the building, and this seems to fit with what some people (engineers/including people that are experts in RF and other radio frequencies) been telling me, CDMA has trouble travelling through thick walls.
ATT GSM didn't have that problem.
nekrosoft13 said:
while I understand what all of you are saying.
but this is not one of those cases.
I stepped outside the back of the building, I stepped out the front of the building and I get 4-5 bars 4G LTE with 25-35Mbps transfer speed, sounds perfect...
I go back In the building I get 3G with 1-2 bars that don't work, or some 1x bull****.
Its not the "area" its the building, and this seems to fit with what some people (engineers/including people that are experts in RF and other radio frequencies) been telling me, CDMA has trouble travelling through thick walls.
ATT GSM didn't have that problem.
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But you're not losing your CDMA signal, you're losing your LTE signal. It's just the tower, or the frequency Verizon has there. Maybe Verizon has high frequency at your location and therefore it can't penetrate the building. Use LTE discovery to find out which band you have.
current connection eHRPD/1x
is not even listing any LTE frequencies....
****ing verizon bull****....
on the signal tab, now its showing connecting...... 10 second later, connected, 5 seconds later connecting... great service!
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while I understand what all of you are saying.
but this is not one of those cases.
I stepped outside the back of the building, I stepped out the front of the building and I get 4-5 bars 4G LTE with 25-35Mbps transfer speed, sounds perfect...
I go back In the building I get 3G with 1-2 bars that don't work, or some 1x bull****.
Its not the "area" its the building, and this seems to fit with what some people (engineers/including people that are experts in RF and other radio frequencies) been telling me, CDMA has trouble travelling through thick walls.
ATT GSM didn't have that problem.
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3g is CDMA. 4G which you say you lose is GSM
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3g is CDMA. 4G which you say you lose is GSM
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Not quite, 4G is LTE. LTE is more similar to GSM than it is to CDMA, but it is not GSM.
Verizon uses 700, 850, 1700, and 2100MHz for LTE. ATT uses 700, 850, 1700, 1900, and 2100MHz for LTE. In the case of both carriers, there are generally not more than 1 or 2 of those frequencies in any given area and they are not always the same ones for both carries. Some areas have the lower frequencies which allows the signal to pass through buildings more easily, other areas have the higher frequencies which allows the signal to be bounced off of buildings which results in poorer building penetration, but can result in increased signal outside due to the signal being bounced off of surrounding surfaces. In your case you are almost definitely in a low frequency ATT and high frequency Verizon area. It is also possible that your work has a signal booster for ATT, but not for Verizon and that may be why you see dramatically better ATT signal there. No carrier is best everywhere, but Verizon is best in more places than any other US carrier. If you live/work in an area that ATT is better you should probably just go back to them.
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Verizon used to be better for me. I notice a pattern now where upon arrival to my house my signal goes from 3 to 5 bars of LTE to two or 1 or drops to 3g. Not only at my current residence but my last one as well. Like throttled down at home. I live in a flat city that should not have dead zones.
I live in a city with full coverage from all the carriers, but Verizon is the only carrier that keeps me connected from Philly to AC and back.
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Not quite, 4G is LTE. LTE is more similar to GSM than it is to CDMA, but it is not GSM.
Verizon uses 700, 850, 1700, and 2100MHz for LTE. ATT uses 700, 850, 1700, 1900, and 2100MHz for LTE. In the case of both carriers, there are generally not more than 1 or 2 of those frequencies in any given area and they are not always the same ones for both carries. Some areas have the lower frequencies which allows the signal to pass through buildings more easily, other areas have the higher frequencies which allows the signal to be bounced off of buildings which results in poorer building penetration, but can result in increased signal outside due to the signal being bounced off of surrounding surfaces. In your case you are almost definitely in a low frequency ATT and high frequency Verizon area. It is also possible that your work has a signal booster for ATT, but not for Verizon and that may be why you see dramatically better ATT signal there. No carrier is best everywhere, but Verizon is best in more places than any other US carrier. If you live/work in an area that ATT is better you should probably just go back to them.
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its funny that you mention signal boosters, actually its opposite, my work has no boosters for ATT and has couple for Verizon.... the problem is that they boosters they have bought go thought internet connection, the internet connection is a standard T1 line shared by about 500-700 workers some with workstations and smartphones on wifi and some with both.
When I was outside work, I was on LTE band 4.
inside work I have 3G with one-two bars that every 20+ minutes disconnect and drop to 1x, the sucky thing is that even when those 1-2 bars are present data doesn't work.
and WiFi is so saturated and its useless too....
Before someone says that the trouble is caused by Verizon boosters, before the boosters were put in place, there was zero Verizon signal inside the building, again outside was fine.
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... from time to time it even switches to something called 1x. what the hell is 1x?
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So this is what it's come to.... :'( In some remote way this makes me feel old.
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I just switched from Galaxy S3 on ATT to Droid Turbo on Verizon.
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I'm not going to rehash all of what has been said, but there are two items you need to keep in mind.
First, you should check to see if you are in an XLTE area. XLTE makes use of the AWS spectrum and will do a better job of penetrating buildings.
Second, and most important .... If you have both a regular Verizon signal AND a Verizon Network Extender signal, the radios are designed to latch onto the Network Extender assuming that it will provide the best cell reception. The network extender is designed to make sure PHONE CALLS get through, and nothing more. The first and second generation Network Extenders provided only 1x data, while the latest generation Network Extenders provide 3G. There are no 4G LTE Network Extenders. As long as you are latching onto a network extender, you will NOT have good data. Period. You'll have great phone calls though. The "bars" reflect DATA coverage, not voice coverage. Phone calls will be fine even with zero bars. Data will be slow no matter what.
Again, the network extenders are meant to make certain people can make and receive PHONE CALLS (it is a cell phone after all) and not data.
Also, band 4 is the highest frequency that VZW uses for LTE and therefore the worst at penetrating buildings.
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Also, band 4 is the highest frequency that VZW uses for LTE and therefore the worst at penetrating buildings.
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so basically Verizon sucks In the area where my work is. why would they use a band that is worse at penetrating buildings since this is mostly industrial park with warehouse like buildings and buildings with thick concrete walls.
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so basically Verizon sucks In the area where my work is. why would they use a band that is worse at penetrating buildings since this is mostly industrial park with warehouse like buildings and buildings with thick concrete walls.
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Basically yeah. The boosters that your work uses aren't helping either when it comes to data, they actually probably make the problem even worse as another person pointed out. The carriers own licenses for different bands or spectrums in different areas. They can only use the ones that they own in the areas that they own them. There are many reasons why a carrier may purchase higher frequencies in some areas, but the main one is that they just have to buy what is available and that's probably what happened in that area. In some scenarios the higher frequencies do perform better, building penetration just isn't one of the things that they do well.
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Basically yeah. The boosters that your work uses aren't helping either when it comes to data, they actually probably make the problem even worse as another person pointed out. The carriers own licenses for different bands or spectrums in different areas. They can only use the ones that they own in the areas that they own them. There are many reasons why a carrier may purchase higher frequencies in some areas, but the main one is that they just have to buy what is available and that's probably what happened in that area. In some scenarios the higher frequencies do perform better, building penetration just isn't one of the things that they do well.
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I thought that VZW had band 13 everywhere they have LTE. I thought they just started adding Band 4, so if you connect to Band 4 then 13 is present. Otherwise, all the old VZW phones would not get LTE at all.
there are other people in the office that have verizon and same ****ty service.
we are looking into purchasing this for work, http://www.wilsonamplifiers.com/wilson-ag-pro-4g-70db-amplifier-kit-461104/
just not sure how this will play with current 3G repeaters that are in the building.
Want to switch to T-Mobile from VZW at end of my Verizon billing cycle around Nov4 (anywhere before that maybe like 2-3 days)
How is signal treating you guys without band12?
I will be joining my friends plan he has 2 lines for 100 unlimited everything so my line will be +40
I understand on 5.1.1 there is no wifi calling on Moto X but that might change in 6.0 and maybe with 6.0 they will add band12?
One place I travel to frequently has very bad tmo signal inside the building nothing has changed since year ago when I tested tmobile otherwise everywhere I go signal is always great (while I tested)
I'm guessing that you're on the East Coast, in the NY area (based on the screenshot of your Speedtest results). I'm also there, and I recently switched from Verizon to Ting (which runs on the T-Mobile network).
What can I say? Verizon is king when it comes to coverage, signal strength, and network speed. Absolutely unbeatable anywhere along the Northeast Corridor (Boston to Washington DC). If you are highly mobile for work in remote areas (e.g. upstate New York), then you'll want to stick with Verizon purely for coverage reasons.
T-Mobile coverage and signal strength is going to be lower than Verizon in most areas, but will still retain acceptable signal strength in most areas that aren't rural. Network speeds on LTE are acceptable (around 8Mbps - 12Mbps downstream, and 1.0Mbps upstream).
If you spend most of the time on your smartphone near WiFi, you'll be fine switching to TMobile to save yourself some money.
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I'm guessing that you're on the East Coast, in the NY area (based on the screenshot of your Speedtest results). I'm also there, and I recently switched from Verizon to Ting (which runs on the T-Mobile network).
What can I say? Verizon is king when it comes to coverage, signal strength, and network speed. Absolutely unbeatable anywhere along the Northeast Corridor (Boston to Washington DC). If you are highly mobile for work in remote areas (e.g. upstate New York), then you'll want to stick with Verizon purely for coverage reasons.
T-Mobile coverage and signal strength is going to be lower than Verizon in most areas, but will still retain acceptable signal strength in most areas that aren't rural. Network speeds on LTE are acceptable (around 8Mbps - 12Mbps downstream, and 1.0Mbps upstream).
If you spend most of the time on your smartphone near WiFi, you'll be fine switching to TMobile to save yourself some money.
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I am mostly in the city though and on Verizon I am out of contract but I am just sick of this company (Wireless part) right now around 45$ 30GB to share+2GB free for 3 months vs T-Mobile same price everything unlimited.
What does your usage look like (minutes, text, data GB) per month, as a typical month of usage on VZW?
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What does your usage look like (minutes, text, data GB) per month, as a typical month of usage on VZW?
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Last month was a round 5k texts 5.6GB and around 500 min just for my line.
I like to watch soccer games on my phone and always have to watch it in lowest quality instead of HD and listen to spotify everyday at highes quality as well.
So many reasons to want tmobile lol
Wow. That's a whole lot of usage.
So yeah, go with T-Mobile's unlimited plan. You'll be better off with that.
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Wow. That's a whole lot of usage.
So yeah, go with T-Mobile's unlimited plan. You'll be better off with that.
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Yea man that's what the plan is. The one place I spend a lot of time has weak service otherwise everywhere I am is great signal so I am silently hoping that either 6.0 or moto releases new radio fast with band12 support so I can dump Verizon forever and ever lol
By the way were you receiving calls from winback team from Verizon? just wondering I don't have contract anymore so it wouldn't matter and they would not be able to offer me anything anyway but for people who were on contract they would cancel your contract if you came back and all that sort of stuff
I moved from Verizon to T-Mobile a few years back with no issues. I would double check if the location your referring to has any type of WiFi close by. Keep in mind Motorola has really good antennas so if you tested it a year ago on a different phone (Samsung or Nexus 5) it might hold a signal better. At one point I had a Nexus 5 and MotoX 2013 and one of the main reasons I kept the MotoX was due to significantly better signals in the same place.
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I moved from Verizon to T-Mobile a few years back with no issues. I would double check if the location your referring to has any type of WiFi close by. Keep in mind Motorola has really good antennas so if you tested it a year ago on a different phone (Samsung or Nexus 5) it might hold a signal better. At one point I had a Nexus 5 and MotoX 2013 and one of the main reasons I kept the MotoX was due to significantly better signals in the same place.
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I tested few weeks ago AS well but on droid turbo not moto x, and yeah they have time Warner and soon fios so fast internet is not an issue. Are you able to use Wi-Fi calling AS IF now ?
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I've never had to use WiFi for anything lol
Nexus 6 has had it for a while, I remember testing it, didn't care for it, haven't had a need to use it yet. It's not available yet for the MotoX but it's expected (not sure if confirmed) to be activated with marshmallow. I will state that marshmallow has a new toggle for it so I wouldn't be surprised if every phone has it at some point.
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I've never had to use WiFi for anything lol
Nexus 6 has had it for a while, I remember testing it, didn't care for it, haven't had a need to use it yet. It's not available yet for the MotoX but it's expected (not sure if confirmed) to be activated with marshmallow. I will state that marshmallow has a new toggle for it so I wouldn't be surprised if every phone has it at some point.
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Yea there is only one place with bad signal where i spent a lot of time but band12 is in this area just not yet with moto hopefully soak test will add it.
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You can see if Band 12 is in a particular area with this: http://www.spectrumgateway.com/t-mobile-700a-spectrum . Combined with T-Mobile official coverage map, you should be able to get a good idea of the T-Mobile coverage of an area.
It looks like T-Mobile is using Band 12 to fill out national coverage gaps. That's a good thing IMO, if Band 12 has reach/penetration like they say it does. (I live where there is no Band 12 yet, so I haven't tested it.) There are maps floating around (see tmonews.com for example) of the national coverage that T-Mobile plans by end of the year, this planned coverage looks like a blanket similar to Verizon, I think much of this will be the added Band 12 areas. Based on T-Mobile track record, I believe they will get there, if not by end of year then not long after that.
I bought the MXPE counting on Motorola to update it with Band 12 /VoLTE support in the near future, with the idea that it will support it by the time Band 12 is deployed where I need it. The LTE Discovery app is a good tool to see what LTE Band (or other) the phone is using in a particular area, too.
There are still gaps in the T-Mobile national coverage where Verizon has decent coverage while T-Mobile does not. I traveled through one a few days ago, in a rural area about 15 miles from my house. Verizon phone had decent signal, but T-Mobile phones (MXPE and iPhone 6s) had no signal. Since iPhone 6s has robust wireless support including Band 12 /VoLTE, the fact that it had no signal there means there was no T-Mobile signal.
So you just have to look at the maps and see if T-Mobile has coverage where you want coverage. That and actual testing. (If I was on Verizon considering T-Mobile, I would probably buy a month of prepaid T-Mobile or MetroPCS service, pop the T-Mobile SIM in the XT1575, and just try it. "One proper test is worth a thousand expert opinions".)
One thing adding even more wrinkles to all this is the increasing number of LTE roaming arrangements between the tier 1 carriers...
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You can see if Band 12 is in a particular area with this: http://www.spectrumgateway.com/t-mobile-700a-spectrum . Combined with T-Mobile official coverage map, you should be able to get a good idea of the T-Mobile coverage of an area.
It looks like T-Mobile is using Band 12 to fill out national coverage gaps. That's a good thing IMO, if Band 12 has reach/penetration like they say it does. (I live where there is no Band 12 yet, so I haven't tested it.) There are maps floating around (see tmonews.com for example) of the national coverage that T-Mobile plans by end of the year, this planned coverage looks like a blanket similar to Verizon, I think much of this will be the added Band 12 areas. Based on T-Mobile track record, I believe they will get there, if not by end of year then not long after that.
I bought the MXPE counting on Motorola to update it with Band 12 /VoLTE support in the near future, with the idea that it will support it by the time Band 12 is deployed where I need it. The LTE Discovery app is a good tool to see what LTE Band (or other) the phone is using in a particular area, too.
There are still gaps in the T-Mobile national coverage where Verizon has decent coverage while T-Mobile does not. I traveled through one a few days ago, in a rural area about 15 miles from my house. Verizon phone had decent signal, but T-Mobile phones (MXPE and iPhone 6s) had no signal. Since iPhone 6s has robust wireless support including Band 12 /VoLTE, the fact that it had no signal there means there was no T-Mobile signal.
So you just have to look at the maps and see if T-Mobile has coverage where you want coverage. That and actual testing. (If I was on Verizon considering T-Mobile, I would probably buy a month of prepaid T-Mobile or MetroPCS service, pop the T-Mobile SIM in the XT1575, and just try it. "One proper test is worth a thousand expert opinions".)
One thing adding even more wrinkles to all this is the increasing number of LTE roaming arrangements between the tier 1 carriers...
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I actually have a friend who works at tmo he even typed the address and showed me all types of signal available to me and band12 was all over it. I hope that soak test brings b12.
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T-Mobile for data hogs like me is great. Unlimited data for $30, I used around 10GB a month alone. But that is the only reason I use T-Mobile. Coverage pretty much sucks. If I am in the Bay Area CA its fine great signal. As soon as I leave the area I'm lucky if I get 3G speeds let alone a signal. Indoors is even worse. Went to the movies the other day, phone was dead inside no signal at all. My friend who is on At&t got a full 4 bars of LTE. T-Mobile is great for data and coverage in the cities, you leave those cities and you'll be lucky to even get a signal...
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T-Mobile for data hogs like me is great. Unlimited data for $30, I used around 10GB a month alone. But that is the only reason I use T-Mobile. Coverage pretty much sucks. If I am in the Bay Area CA its fine great signal. As soon as I leave the area I'm lucky if I get 3G speeds let alone a signal. Indoors is even worse. Went to the movies the other day, phone was dead inside no signal at all. My friend who is on At&t got a full 4 bars of LTE. T-Mobile is great for data and coverage in the cities, you leave those cities and you'll be lucky to even get a signal...
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I mainly spend time in the city Brookyln & Queens so I don't think it should be an issue but one place where I spend a lot of time otherwise everywhere else it's pretty good when I tested it.
Cell Spot
If there is one place you work or live with poor coverage, T-Mobile also has a couple of options that are basically either a range extended or an internal "tower" so you can use your phone inside where you don't get coverage.
https://support.t-mobile.com/community/coverage/personal-cellspot/4g-lte-signal-booster
Ugh. In principle, I'm not a fan of that at all.
T-Mobilr is basically telling cuatomers to buy hardware, install it themselves, possibly connect it to their home internet networks (and use your bandwidth), for potentially multiple people that don't live in your household.
All of this, because T-Mobile didn't invest in building out network infrastructure like Verizon did.
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If there is one place you work or live with poor coverage, T-Mobile also has a couple of options that are basically either a range extended or an internal "tower" so you can use your phone inside where you don't get coverage.
https://support.t-mobile.com/community/coverage/personal-cellspot/4g-lte-signal-booster
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Yea I am still staying with VZW for now. But there are 2 places that I spend time that have weak service one has no cable internet so that won't do any good even verizon there has weak service 3G and 1 weak bar of lte.
So I am testing tmobile in some place I mainly spend 2 time in 2 places , 1 there is edge and weak LTE -116 around that,I just can't do anthing for the phone to pick up band12 signal. I am running true-pure-x MM
always band4 or HSPA/+ or EDGE.
Hey all,
I've seen a few posts regarding signal problems on TMO and Sprint, but not much on Verizon.
How is your guys' experience on VZW?
Works good for me on Verizon. I don't live in a big city, but I never lose service and I get over 100mbs dowload speeds in certain areas over LTE.
Been using mine on Verizon for a week now and no issues so far. It works everywhere any other device i have used works.
PH-1 reception in my house in mid-peninsula SF Bay Area is non-existent. Meanwhile the Galaxy 7, Galaxy 5, iPhone 5, and iPhone 7 all get decent enough signal here. No matter how good the phone otherwise, that's a deal killer.
Update: the phone continues to frustrate. Reception sucks even in the heart of towns here where other phones are just fine. Basically, the phone is useless except as a pretty iPod that takes cool 360 pictures. What a shame.
What's a good app to test download speeds?
I live in upstate NY. Literally in a gorge.i get the same or better service than my HTC 10 and the WiFi is way better. Don't need WiFi calling anymore.
I'm also in upstate NY. I get extremely fast speeds on wifi but lte seems pretty slow. What network settings are you all using??
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I'm also in upstate NY. I get extremely fast speeds on wifi but lte seems pretty slow. What network settings are you all using??
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Global, enhanced lte, nothing special
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Global, enhanced lte, nothing special
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I'm not seeing that setting. Can you take a screenshot??
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I'm not seeing that setting. Can you take a screenshot??
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Just took this. Remember, there isn't any carrier aggregation. That can make it worse.
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Just took this. Remember, there isn't any carrier aggregation. That can make it worse.
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I'm getting LTE+ carrier aggregation in the Hickory, NC area. I've seen download speeds as high as 28 Mbps, although I've only been on Verizon 2 days now and I've only ran a few speed tests.
I recently ported my number to Verizon from T-Mobile because I was one of those who was experiencing connectivity issues with T-Mo. For me this phone works much better on Verizon than T-Mo. The phone I have now is a replacement. The first one constantly dropped cellular connections and with it I never saw LTE+ on T-Mo not even once. With the new replacement phone it showed up at times closer to Hickory but Verizon seems to have it everywhere around here.
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I'm getting LTE+ carrier aggregation in the Hickory, NC area. I've seen download speeds as high as 28 Mbps, although I've only been on Verizon 2 days now and I've only ran a few speed tests.
I recently ported my number to Verizon from T-Mobile because I was one of those who was experiencing connectivity issues with T-Mo. For me this phone works much better on Verizon than T-Mo. The phone I have now is a replacement. The first one constantly dropped cellular connections and with it I never saw LTE+ on T-Mo not even once. With the new replacement phone it showed up at times closer to Hickory but Verizon seems to have it everywhere around here.
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That's funny actually, right after I took that, I went to lte discovery app, and saw that I was on band 4 & 13 . It's not " supposed " to work...lol
I'm using Xfinity which is Verizon and works fine on the SF Bay Area but since I'm using Xfinity and not Verizon proper, I don't see the option for enhanced LTE...
I got this on Verizon on the way into work this morning.
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I got this on Verizon on the way into work this morning.
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That's good. We don't have those kind of speeds around here. 28-34 is normal for Verizon lte here.
My download speeds are only averaging 7 mbps on lte on Verizon in NY.
Which bands are you all using?? I left mine on the default and not sure if that'd make a difference.
I tried a few others with not much difference
This is my 3rd replacement. The first one didn't activate, the second overheated and now the 3rd seems to be working well. What I noticed on the 3rd one after reading the forums is the ceramic I'd alittle grippier than the last one which was smooth like glass. The 2nd one was smooth like glass. Before I did the replacement I also weighed it by hand because I read somewhere the new replacements have alittle more weight to it and it did. It was noticeable.
As far as signal. It seems to be on par with my m9. I was surprised I got 117mbps in my town which is in Shentel territory for Sprint but so far everything works great
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mpetruzz said:
My download speeds are only averaging 7 mbps on lte on Verizon in NY.
Which bands are you all using?? I left mine on the default and not sure if that'd make a difference.
I tried a few others with not much difference
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I bounce between band 13 and band 4 in cortland
Hit and Miss
Mine has been iffy since I "officially" added it to my Verizon account (I initially just pulled the SIM from my Pixel, and plopped it in my Essential - Worked like a champ, then I replaced my Pixel with my Essential with customer service, over the phone, and after reboot, it has been hit or miss (it was 3G from the time I hung up with Verizon, until I finished driving from Vegas to SLC). I messed with the carrier settings, and it was LTE+ for a day, then back to no signal the next morning.
Some days 3G is the best I can get, others LTE+ works fine, and some days, 1X or no signal. I've tried changing the settings from Global, to LTE, to LTE/WCDMA to what ever else looked okay). Today, it's been LTE+ most of the day.
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Hey all,
I've seen a few posts regarding signal problems on TMO and Sprint, but not much on Verizon.
How is your guys' experience on VZW?
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So when using 5g on 600mhz, I get 13mb download. When I switch to 4g, I get 120mb download. I think what is happening is 5g and 4g don't carrier aggregate, so your only getting a single channel download. So bottom line? Turn off 5g. What a waste
Sucks
Glad i have very low expectations for 5G. Dont mind turning it off at all if i have to. Still curious to see how good/bad it ll be since i work in a major city.
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Sucks
Glad i have very low expectations for 5G. Dont mind turning it off at all if i have to. Still curious to see how good/bad it ll be since i work in a major city.
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I work in Manhattan, and I heard there's a decent amount of mw 5g for tmo. Right now I'm out on li, so I get fake 5g. Lol. It's actually slower, which I don't understand
With the poor night vision, and sht 5g, probably just gonna return it, keep my pixel 4
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so I get fake 5g.
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You're getting AT&T 5Ge? Strange.
600mhz isn't fake 5G, it's real, it's within in spec. Just because you get slower speeds doesn't make it fake. As you said, very likely it's a CA thing.
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You're getting AT&T 5Ge? Strange.
600mhz isn't fake 5G, it's real, it's within in spec. Just because you get slower speeds doesn't make it fake. As you said, very likely it's a CA thing.
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Well, yes, I guess it's technically 5g. Just sucks that it's actually slower than 4g. Oh well.
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Well, yes, I guess it's technically 5g. Just sucks that it's actually slower than 4g. Oh well.
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lol. ya n71 is not good for speed. you gonna have wait until they start using mmwave. tmo is def good in the city. i remember when i used tmo in midtown lte was pretty good
Same, I get around 30mbps with lte and only about 18mbps with 5g, quite annoying
My opinion(results may vary elsewhere and I could be wrong) but in my area of Ohio, there are certain areas that have 4glte and no 5g and some small gaps in 4glte that now have 5g. I think its more to fill in the gaps of coverage. I personally love it and it isnt super fast but is good enough for me to have coverage in the areas that I travel with minimal dead areas.
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lol. ya n71 is not good for speed. you gonna have wait until they start using mmwave. tmo is def good in the city. i remember when i used tmo in midtown lte was pretty good
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I'll do some 5g speed tests on T-mobile when my Ultra Unlocked comes in today. I live in Greenville, S.C. The reviews I read for T-mobile on the Ultra in New York City said the the speed was about 100mbps+ for LTE and about 130-140mbps+ for sub6. Nothing extradorinary but better than LTE. Makes me wonder why your seeing such low 30mbps speeds.
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I'll do some 5g speed tests on T-mobile when my Ultra Unlocked comes in today. I live in Greenville, S.C. The reviews I read for T-mobile on the Ultra in New York City said the the speed was about 100mbps+ for LTE and about 130-140mbps+ for sub6. Nothing extradorinary but better than LTE. Makes me wonder why your seeing such low 30mbps speeds.
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Low speeds due to no ca when on 5g. It literally turns it off. If I set it to 4g, I get 100mb dl. 5g is a complete shtshow. Early adopters, it is what it is. I just keep it set to 4g.
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Low speeds due to no ca when on 5g. It literally turns it off. If I set it to 4g, I get 100mb dl. 5g is a complete shtshow. Early adopters, it is what it is. I just keep it set to 4g.
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What is ca?
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What is ca?
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Carrier aggregation.
Here's what I'm calling "real" 5g...millwave....
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I work in Manhattan, and I heard there's a decent amount of mw 5g for tmo. Right now I'm out on li, so I get fake 5g. Lol. It's actually slower, which I don't understand
With the poor night vision, and sht 5g, probably just gonna return it, keep my pixel 4
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Why don't you return it and save you and the rest of us from hearing your constant complaints about the handset?
jonboi said:
Why don't you return it and save you and the rest of us from hearing your constant complaints about the handset?
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I have 15 days to try it out. Thought people might want real world tests. Not paid ones.
I have to agree....the 5G here in Phoenix is really bad. south phoenix, tempe and ahwatukee. Did a few speed test in each area. Garbage.
Sub-6 5g was never about great download speeds, and I for one prefer t-mobile going the way they did (focusing on sub 6 before millimeter wave).
sub 6 5g is the lowest frequency band you can get, millimeter wave is highest frequency you can get. Lower frequency signals pass through objects much better than higher frequency signals, they also travel farther than high frequency signals.
The real world translation is that sub 6 is essentially getting data a hair faster than 4g but because it penetrates walls and objects better as well as travels much farther, it should translate to getting a better signal in more places. With millimeter wave, you literally have to have line of sight to a tower to get decent signal..... line.of.sight.
I, for one, would rather have better signal strength in more places than blazing fast speeds when you're standing on this one street corner facing a specific direction. I realistically only see millimeter wave being rolled out to high density areas like stadiums or temporary roll-outs for things like political events or festivals.
Sub 6 is a much better technology for real day to day usage, the only reason I see Verizon to implement millimeter wave before sub 6 was for marketing, so they can claim they have the fastest network.
Note to VZTech:
mmWave is never going to be the "Real" 5G. It can't. It requires a microwave transmitter installed literally on every block and a fiber back-haul from that location to the central office. That infrastructure doesn't exist and will never exist as it will cost each carrier hundreds of billions of dollars, except perhaps in dense urban areas(directional boring is expensive). That is why everyone is focusing on midband as the next threshold to implement - that is the reason for the merge of Sprint (they have tons of midband) and T-Mobile. Verizon has midband to redeploy and AT&T is currently deploying low and midband for the same reasons. Your Ultra will address all of it currently being deployed. If I was on Verizon, I would want a carrier based phone to handle future changes not yet announced.
As to the current T-Mobile 5G, I have a T-Mobile Note 10 + 5G (same modem but no mmWave antenna) and an Ultra in route. After receiving the phone I drove over wide areas in the Chicago suburbs and I saw ranges from very low to well over 200 Mbps. CA is part on the carrier side and part on the phone side. Since you are one of the ones testing it, have you contacted either Samsung or, more importantly, T-Mobile tech support? Perhaps there is a software issue on the phone. Perhaps there is an issue in your area that needs to be addressed. Remember, that until this week, very few people in the entire country (just those buying the Note 10+5G and the OnePlus 7T Pro 5G McLaren edition) have been on it. I would not be surprised that there are still bugs to be shaken out on these phones and on the network as a whole. I had to call in my area about that and T-Mobile made some changes. YMMV, but it is worth a call. I wouldn't pass judgement until after I had spoken to T-Mobile and they agreed that what you are getting is all you will get.
I get 1-2mpbs down with 5g enabled and 70mbps+ down with LTE (4g) turned off and 5g disabled. I think this is a software issue where it should be switching to LTE for higher download speeds and 5g when there is coverage issues.
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I get 1-2mpbs down with 5g enabled and 70mbps+ down with LTE (4g) turned off and 5g disabled. I think this is a software issue where it should be switching to LTE for higher download speeds and 5g when there is coverage issues.
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This is due to no ca between "5g"600mhz, and 4g lte. Just turn off 5g. It's useless in most places.
Sprint users have you noticed faster internet speeds? I received an update on 4/22 follow by the message about T-mobile allowing us to tap into their 5G. However, this afternoon when i got home my browsing was a bit snappy. I did a speed test on two different apps and was pulling 140 to 160 Mbps where before I was only getting 12-24 Mbps.
I got the same text, unfortunately I still have yet to get a software update to use the 5g from tmobile.
I just got the phone today, the note 8 on LTE was doing over 30mbps, I turned this on, 5G kicked on automatically and speeds at 24mbps lol. I saw this post, and checking for updates now to see if I can tap into Tmo 5g.
Is the software you have installed G988USQU1ATD6?
I haven't got 5g didn't connect to 5g for a few mins while traveling, I have noticed through signal checker being on band 2 lte at home very crappy sprint lte after profile and prl update so have been able to test speeds, before update I had excellent service on sprint
I had the software upgrade earlier this month. Today at work I had crappy service sending and receiving texts and slow network speeds. Now at home my status bar shows Sprint|SPRINT and have 5g. But with speeds of 2.5 up and .5 down at best.
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Here is my chat with tech support:
Tim B: 9:08PMActually your address has 4G network, it catches the 5G signal but do not support. That is why it does not work on 5G, I can see the 5G is extending to your area, and soon you will hear a good news. Then once you connect it to 5G, it will be 10 times faster then 4G.
You: 9:09PMSo I am not the only customer with this issue in this area?
Tim B: 9:09PMYou are right.
You: 9:10PMSo I should keep my network set to 4g and avoid 5g until further notice?
Tim B: 9:10PMYou are correct.
I took a few speed tests while connected to 5G in north Florida. at best 24mbps, throughout the day it's around 1-3mbps. I'm assuming it's on one of t-mobiles low bands.
edit: I was on band 2. I used that app in another thread to only select a few to choose from, it jumped on band 66 and speeds ~100mbps. Nice.
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I just got the phone today, the note 8 on LTE was doing over 30mbps, I turned this on, 5G kicked on automatically and speeds at 24mbps lol. I saw this post, and checking for updates now to see if I can tap into Tmo 5g.
Is the software you have installed G988USQU1ATD6?
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You don't have 5g capability with a Note 8...
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You don't have 5g capability with a Note 8...
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I agree?
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Here is my chat with tech support:
Tim B: 9:08PM Actually your address has 4G network, it catches the 5G signal but do not support. That is why it does not work on 5G, I can see the 5G is extending to your area, and soon you will hear a good news. Then once you connect it to 5G, it will be 10 times faster then 4G.
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Lmao. Don't hold your breath.
I am in a 5G area and it is barely faster than LTE. However, I *do* get service in areas that I didn't have service before, so that is a definite improvement.
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Lmao. Don't hold your breath.
I am in a 5G area and it is barely faster than LTE. However, I *do* get service in areas that I didn't have service before, so that is a definite improvement.
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Yeah, I don't really notice a huge speed difference. But I purposely went to three areas in my city that I usually don't get any reception or bad reception, and I was able to a decent signal now. So I'm definitely glad about that, since I do Doordash part-time and need my internet to work doing those deliveries.
At my house on T-Mobile I’m getting about 80 d/l and 6 u/l on 5g, and 150 d/l and 25 u/l on 4g. Pretty unimpressed so far. With the jump from 3g to 4g there was a huge, tangible difference in speeds. I certainly didn’t lose speed.
I am on Sprint and getting 5G. At night, I got 71.4Mbps speed. I don't exactly remember the day but I think it was around 30-35Mbps
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At my house on T-Mobile I’m getting about 80 d/l and 6 u/l on 5g, and 150 d/l and 25 u/l on 4g. Pretty unimpressed so far. With the jump from 3g to 4g there was a huge, tangible difference in speeds. I certainly didn’t lose speed.
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80 is about right for tmo/spr nationwide 5g.. u have to keep in mind theres 3 different 5g networks.. nationwide uses the low end which allows for more coverage but slower speeds which is what most are on..
sprint was using mid band which i pulled over 500 consistently (im in phoenix) but since the merger and about 2 weeks ago they cut the mid band from sprint in favor of tmo 5g network making my s10 5g and 7pro5g no longer able to connect to 5g networm as theyre not compatible..
basically cureently most are stuck with low band nationwide 5g as they expand their mid range and only certain urban areas will get mmWave which is 1gb+ speeds..
mmWave requires thousands of towers in covered areas as it doesnt have as much range..
what i am saying is itll get better as time goes and most other carriers dont even have a 5g connection across the us so tmo is ahead of the game..
also dont expect 1gb+ mmwave 5g anytime soon or at all unless u live in an urban area
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My 4g at work has greatly improved at 208mb/s download and a not so great 14mb/s upload. That's here in Hawaii.
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thats bot bad at all
You're not gonna notice any speed difference on TMobile 5g. Sprints 5g has the best if both worlds. Good penetration through objects and faster than 4g with better latency. Too bad it's not available to all TMobile customers yet. That's what I'm waiting for...
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You're not gonna notice any speed difference on TMobile 5g. Sprints 5g has the best if both worlds. Good penetration through objects and faster than 4g with better latency. Too bad it's not available to all TMobile customers yet. That's what I'm waiting for...
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lmao
sprints 5g is also being disabled if not already in favor of tmobile 5g network.. if u read any news ud know even that sprints own 5g devices r no longer able to connect to 5g as of 4/28 except for the s20 5g devices which connect to tmo nationwide 5g now.
on the bright side sprimt customers that had older 5g devices such as s10 5g are being allowed to trade in devife for s20 5g devices at discounted rates if they receive a targeted offer from sprint.
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sprints 5g is also being disabled if not already in favor of tmobile 5g network.. if u read any news ud know even that sprints own 5g devices r no longer able to connect to 5g as of 4/28 except for the s20 5g devices which connect to tmo nationwide 5g now.
on the bright side sprimt customers that had older 5g devices such as s10 5g are being allowed to trade in devife for s20 5g devices at discounted rates if they receive a targeted offer from sprint.
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Wow that's totally weird cause TMobile themselves said they are allowing their TMobile customers in New York and Pennsylvania to use sprints 5g service. I guess I should've known that when they said they are expanding their TMobile service to include sprints 5g that it a actually meant they are removing the service. They need to work better on their communication.
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Wow that's totally weird cause TMobile themselves said they are allowing their TMobile customers in New York and Pennsylvania to use sprints 5g service. I guess I should've known that when they said they are expanding their TMobile service to include sprints 5g that it a actually meant they are removing the service. They need to work better on their communication.
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not sure when u read that but if it was a while ago then it mightve changed since u last read it.
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I don't know about the who's or whats,but, elliwigy, you working on.a root or is it unable? Haha. I would try seeking internal stuff,but, over the past few years, I've gotten extremely lazy. And almost a year in jail made me forget about a lot of stuff.
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It was last week. But I guess, again, when they say something they obviously mean the opposite of what they said. Those New York residents are just magically getting increased speeds.
Since the merger my speeds doubled since March. I am on tmobile five miles from NYC. Basically the other side of the Hudson River in NJ. 120mbps up and 60mbs down. Its not the greatest but its still good.