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Hi guys, Getting delivery of my nice new N4 tomorrow and already looked out the custom roms I fancy trying but I saw some videos with people describing lagging in some games, which is most likely explained by this video (which the forum won't let me post) ...
Youtube url = abf7nPiUUE8
In it, the presenter explains what thermal throttling Google has applied to stop the phone bursting into flames and killing everyone.
My question is, as the title says, do all the custom roms respect these thermal throttling values or will I find custom rom makers changing these to dangerous values just so their rom has the illusion of much more speed and performance of other roms even though this would come at the cost of possible bricking/destroying your phone and possibly injuring you or putting your life in danger.
Sorry if I made it sound over-dramatic.
djsubterrain said:
Hi guys, Getting delivery of my nice new N4 tomorrow and already looked out the custom roms I fancy trying but I saw some videos with people describing lagging in some games, which is most likely explained by this video (which the forum won't let me post) ...
Youtube url = abf7nPiUUE8
In it, the presenter explains what thermal throttling Google has applied to stop the phone bursting into flames and killing everyone.
My question is, as the title says, do all the custom roms respect these thermal throttling values or will I find custom rom makers changing these to dangerous values just so their rom has the illusion of much more speed and performance of other roms even though this would come at the cost of possible bricking/destroying your phone and possibly injuring you or putting your life in danger.
Sorry if I made it sound over-dramatic.
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Yes, you made it very dramatic. No dev will intentionaly build a rom or kernel to fry your cpu just to get higher clock speeds or benchmark results. Undervolting with a custom kernel will save you from some heat issues also.
gee2012 said:
Yes, you made it very dramtic. No dev will intentionaly build a rom or kernel to fry your cpu just to get higher clock speeds or benchmark results. Undervolting with a custom kernel will save you from a some heat issues also.
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Thanks for the answer although you didn't actually answer my query, I was wondering if someone could check their custom rom and tell me if the same file is there, with the same values as Google had set, just so I can confirm if custom rom designers use the same values.
djsubterrain said:
Thanks for the answer although you didn't actually answer my query, I was wondering if someone could check their custom rom and tell me if the same file is there, with the same values as Google had set, just so I can confirm if custom rom designers use the same values.
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Why not just look yourself? It is not that hard to DL a rom and have a look.
none of the kernels(yes, kernels not roms. roms have nothing tio do with it) disable thermal throttle, many raise the limit slightly though. but, there are many of us, like me, that chose to disable thermal throttle manually. and no, your phone wont burst into flames and explode. there still exists a safety, when you hit this safety temp of 100C, the phone will automatically turn off. yes, its safe to get that hot. and you will never ever reach that temp if you arent just trying to get your phone hot.
djsubterrain said:
Thanks for the answer although you didn't actually answer my query, I was wondering if someone could check their custom rom and tell me if the same file is there, with the same values as Google had set, just so I can confirm if custom rom designers use the same values.
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Most custom kernels are modfied stock kernels, better check the kernel threads but i guess they follow the stock kernel directory`s. As said undervolting decreases heat considerably especialy when gaming and performing intensive tasks .
hey guys
i am looking for some advice. Some of the custom kernels out there have thermal throttling disabled .
Is this safe to do ?
I mean , if i usually play for 2 hours continuous , will there be any problems ?
Or for example HD video recording ... the phone tends to get hot on stock ... but with thermal throttling i guess it will get even hotter.
So what do you say , is it ok to disable in case i sometimes play some games for 1-2 hours continuous ?
thanks
shumo said:
hey guys
i am looking for some advice. Some of the custom kernels out there have thermal throttling disabled .
Is this safe to do ?
I mean , if i usually play for 2 hours continuous , will there be any problems ?
Or for example HD video recording ... the phone tends to get hot on stock ... but with thermal throttling i guess it will get even hotter.
So what do you say , is it ok to disable in case i sometimes play some games for 1-2 hours continuous ?
thanks
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I personally wouldn't do it. You see, it is not just a matter of overheating the Snapdragon 800, but also the LCD display can get to hot. And if you destroy the display, it will cost at least half as much as the phone itself. It is probably not worth the 5 or so extra FPS. If you are serious about android gaming, take a look at Xiaomi MiPad, with the Tegra K1 it is probably the best android gaming device BY FAR.
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I personally wouldn't do it. You see, it is not just a matter of overheating the Snapdragon 800, but also the LCD display can get to hot. And if you destroy the display, it will cost at least half as much as the phone itself. It is probably not worth the 5 or so extra FPS. If you are serious about android gaming, take a look at Xiaomi MiPad, with the Tegra K1 it is probably the best android gaming device BY FAR.
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actually i am not serious about android gaming
it's just that sometimes to pass the times i play some games . For example games like kingdom rush . And sometimes i get lost in the phone and i find myself playing 2 hours straight
the reason i am asking is because i want to use a custom rom . And almost all of them use kernels that have this option disabled
if you know a good kernel that will not crash and will not cause any problems but has thermal enabled ... pls share
I would recommend LG stock kernel, furnace kernel 2.5.1 or CloudyKernel (with CloudG3 2.0 rom for example)
4everAnoob said:
I would recommend LG stock kernel, furnace kernel 2.5.1 or CloudyKernel (with CloudG3 2.0 rom for example)
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thanks mate.
i will have a look at furnace kernel
also cloudyfa i know he is very appreciated for his work
but , for stock kernel . Do you known where i can get stock kernels ( rooted ) recovery flashable ?
thanks in advance
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Samsung themselves said that overheating might happen during use and it is normal. As long as it's not extreme.
You could also undervolt the CPU. People say that it doesn't overheat as much or at all.
GDReaper said:
Samsung themselves said that overheating might happen during use and it is normal. As long as it's not extreme.
You could also undervolt the CPU. People say that it doesn't overheat as much or at all.
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It is extreme
Is there any method to completely disable dvfs in snapdragon version Roms, it really kills the performance, for eg. When I run geek bench it will give score of 1060/3400 first time & 2nd time it would be down to 630/1700, I also profiled the frequency, after 2-3min. Of gaming cpu won't go above 1190mhz & gpu will be stuck at 240/300, games lag very badly... in lollipop I used wanam xposed but since it is not working in marshmallow, is their any other way to do so??
RishiChhikkara said:
Is there any method to completely disable dvfs in snapdragon version Roms, it really kills the performance, for eg. When I run geek bench it will give score of 1060/3400 first time & 2nd time it would be down to 630/1700, I also profiled the frequency, after 2-3min. Of gaming cpu won't go above 1190mhz & gpu will be stuck at 240/300, games lag very badly... in lollipop I used wanam xposed but since it is not working in marshmallow, is their any other way to do so??
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Why you think that what is limits the performance is DVFS?
Why it is not the thermal throttling, which is completely unique and exclusively dependent on the kernel?
Rajada said:
Why you think that what is limits the performance is DVFS?
Why it is not the thermal throttling, which is completely unique and exclusively dependent on the kernel?
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Because device is not hot, not hot enough for thermal throttling to kick in, I monitored the temp. as well, it was always around 50, also same thing use to happen when I had lollipop unrooted, after rooting & disabling Dvfs, it was OK..
RishiChhikkara said:
Because device is not hot, not hot enough for thermal throttling to kick in, I monitored the temp. as well, it was always around 50, also same thing use to happen when I had lollipop unrooted, after rooting & disabling Dvfs, it was OK..
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if your device is not hot, why dvfs decrease frequency?
Rajada said:
if your device is not hot, why why devfs decrease frequency?
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As I said "not hot enough" & also I am pretty sure dvfs doesn't need high temperatures like thermal throttling to kick in, dvfs is way too agressive, & also as I said same thing used to happen on lollipop & disabling Dvfs used to resolve it , so I am 100% positive it's happening because of dvfs, again I don't know what Samsung has cooked in, so only they know why dvfs is so aggressivly scaling frequencies. .
and you believe that Samsung has implemented the devfs limiting the phone's performance when it reaches the 50th, and has other security protection managed by the kernel when it reaches 85?
What would be the reason for this dual protection?
I thoroughly tested the DVFS of wanam in lollipop and never found any benefit
It will not only be the DVFS an urban myth?
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and you believe that Samsung has implemented the devfs limiting the phone's performance when it reaches the 50th, and has other security protection managed by the kernel when it reaches 85?
What would be the reason for this dual protection?
I thoroughly tested the DVFS of wanam in lollipop and never found any benefit
It will not only be the DVFS an urban myth?
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Maybe for you, not for me
RishiChhikkara said:
Maybe for you, not for me
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just a curiosity on this subject:
I think I know your point of view about the dvfs. I suppose it's that one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2674928
But, there is more interpretations of DVFS. This one for example. Note the faq in post 2:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/orig-development/tw-kernel-emotroid-team-t2990557
and note the link that is indicated for those who do not know what is the DVFS. This one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_frequency_scaling
very strange, no? reconcile these two views?
Rajada said:
just a curiosity on this subject:
I think I know your point of view about the dvfs. I suppose it's that one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2674928
But, there is more interpretations of DVFS. This one for example. Note the faq in post 2:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/orig-development/tw-kernel-emotroid-team-t2990557
and note the link that is indicated for those who do not know what is the DVFS. This one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_frequency_scaling
very strange, no? reconcile these two views?
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Ok Bro, looks like u know what u are talking about, but let me explain why I think dvfs is culprit in my case, as I said earlier when I had lollipop on device , it still used to be bad for gaming, & after disabling dvfs alone , it used to be better, so it must be dvfs itself, that used to work for me, & also as I said now on marshmallow it is throttling badly while the device isn'the even hot enough, so I can't think of anything else, if you have any suggestions what else might be causing it & what I should do to overcome this, please let me know because I think I have tried everything, but who knows, maybe I am missing something important. .
Use cm13 then, dvfs is a feature of touchwiz
yesteryearisoverhere said:
Use cm13 then, dvfs is a feature of touchwiz
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Yes, I was using that, but I keep jumping b/w cm & Touchwiz, absence of Amoled Cinema display mode i's biggest reason, I tried to tune screen with kcal, but result were nowhere near Amoled cinema
Hello i have a redmi note 7 3/32 model.When i play pubg even on low settings i.e smooth/high it lags very much.Phone heats very much.Tried disabling battery saver for pubg with no restriction but still lags very much.It had sd660 thats the reason bought it but it is really very disappointing.i had tried every combination of graphics settings but its the same.Phone heats after 15 min and then lag starts.
Should i install a custom rom? If yes then which rom will be best for pubg?
Or
Should i downgrade to miui 10 version ?
Please help..
Thanks in advance.
Do you have fps set to high? Change it to med or low.
kennyk09 said:
Do you have fps set to high? Change it to med or low.
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Thanks for reply
But sd660 can handle high fps in pubg.I have seen other mobile ex.Asus max pro m2.which can handle pubg very smoothly.Cant find what the real issue is
ChandrakantBelell said:
Thanks for reply
But sd660 can handle high fps in pubg.I have seen other mobile ex.Asus max pro m2.which can handle pubg very smoothly.Cant find what the real issue is
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Can handle high fps, yes.
Can still create much heat and use much battery, also yes. Thus lower fps to keep it less warm. Try it yourself and see the difference.
Add all unnecessary apps/games in memory exceptions within game booster app. Also disable ingame shortcut and enable bandwidth priority.
In pubg I have fps set to high and graphic to smooth.
I find these settings work the best on my phone for game performance and less heat too.
kennyk09 said:
enable bandwidth priority.
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Inside game speed booster settings.
And of course you need to add pubg to this app too.
I set pubg to restrict battery in MIUI setting FYI. It has no effect on game play.
kennyk09 said:
Inside game speed booster settings.
And of course you need to add pubg to this app too.
I set pubg to restrict battery in MIUI setting FYI. It has no effect on game play.
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I had done everything but still it lags when played even on smooth and low/medium settings.
Try running a few benchmarks to see if everything is right, like Antutu, 3dmark etc and compare the scores to others RN7.
If not, try resetting your phone.
yeah mine too , i can play pubg on my mi max 3 with no laggs in the same setting but with this redmi note 7 will laggs from time to times , it supposed to be better than sd636 in my mi max 3.
Gonime said:
Try running a few benchmarks to see if everything is right, like Antutu, 3dmark etc and compare the scores to others RN7.
If not, try resetting your phone.
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All the benchmark scores seems to be normal.Will reset today hope will get better performance
Thanks for reply
I have try antutu benchmark and the result is very far from ranking redmi note 7 list at there. My device at 51. How to raise up the performance?
ChandrakantBelell said:
All the benchmark scores seems to be normal.Will reset today hope will get better performance
Thanks for reply
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Reset will do almost nothing. It does only in short term. Longterm it will lags again. Just like you reboot ur phone and cleaning cache, etc...
The main cause is, miui thermal and stock kernel restirct cpu frequency too 'agressively'. When our device start to heat, thermal will restrict -half of- our cpu to only use max freq for bigcluster 1,7Ghz & littlecluster 1,4Ghz and downclock soo oftenly. So, lags will occurs.
Reason behind is good actually to "save" the phone and decrease heat. But, when it comes for gaming (my opinion) Its NO USE at all. It Just ruins the gameplay.
Sad thing..., xiaomi like do nothin :'( its been a couple stable update and they are doing nothing to provide best gaming experience at least.
GueztStar said:
Reset will do almost nothing. It does only in short term. Longterm it will lags again. Just like you reboot ur phone and cleaning cache, etc...
The main cause is, miui thermal and stock kernel restirct cpu frequency too 'agressively'. When our device start to heat, thermal will restrict -half of- our cpu to only use max freq for bigcluster 1,7Ghz & littlecluster 1,4Ghz and downclock soo oftenly. So, lags will occurs.
Reason behind is good actually to "save" the phone and decrease heat. But, when it comes for gaming (my opinion) Its NO USE at all. It Just ruins the gameplay.
Sad thing..., xiaomi like do nothin :'( its been a couple stable update and they are doing nothing to provide best gaming experience at least.
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Yes you are right after reset again it starts to lag.
Can't we do anything for this mini thermal throttle?
I mean can we root and go for a custom rom Or anything like that to improve performance? I don't want any battery saver stuff.. Just want lag free gaming
ChandrakantBelell said:
Yes you are right after reset again it starts to lag.
Can't we do anything for this mini thermal throttle?
I mean can we root and go for a custom rom Or anything like that to improve performance? I don't want any battery saver stuff.. Just want lag free gaming
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Root method? Of course yes.
Flash recovery Orangefox R10 > Flash Magisk Root > Flash Thermal-Config Mod (its a magisk module) > Flash Custom Kernel (if you want, i recommend genom or evira). Done.
Now you will get best perfomance of our device should have.
*thermal-engine mod will disable cpu restriction
**custom kernel will increase battery and perfomance
You can go to custom rom too, it'll give you more :v
Head over development rom thread..
GueztStar said:
Reset will do almost nothing. It does only in short term. Longterm it will lags again. Just like you reboot ur phone and cleaning cache, etc...
The main cause is, miui thermal and stock kernel restirct cpu frequency too 'agressively'. When our device start to heat, thermal will restrict -half of- our cpu to only use max freq for bigcluster 1,7Ghz & littlecluster 1,4Ghz and downclock soo oftenly. So, lags will occurs.
Reason behind is good actually to "save" the phone and decrease heat. But, when it comes for gaming (my opinion) Its NO USE at all. It Just ruins the gameplay.
Sad thing..., xiaomi like do nothin :'( its been a couple stable update and they are doing nothing to provide best gaming experience at least.
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What if we disable MIUI optimization? Will it remove the restriction? Or the only choices are thermal mod?
Fritzkier said:
What if we disable MIUI optimization? Will it remove the restriction? Or the only choices are thermal mod?
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Disabling MIUI optimization will not remove kernel restrictions, you're better off flashing another kernel or using a thermal mod as recommended before.
GueztStar said:
Root method? Of course yes.
Flash recovery Orangefox R10 > Flash Magisk Root > Flash Thermal-Config Mod (its a magisk module) > Flash Custom Kernel (if you want, i recommend genom or evira). Done.
Now you will get best perfomance of our device should have.
*thermal-engine mod will disable cpu restriction
**custom kernel will increase battery and perfomance
You can go to custom rom too, it'll give you more :v
Head over development rom thread..
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Thankyou very much for the reply.I will definitely root my note 7 and install everything you said.Can you share the link of thermal-config mod? and evira kernal? please that would be very helpful .
ChandrakantBelell said:
Thankyou very much for the reply.I will definitely root my note 7 and install everything you said.Can you share the link of thermal-config mod? and evira kernal? please that would be very helpful .
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/re.../official-orangefox-recovery-project-t3941822
https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-7/development/evira-kernel-redminote-7-t3919265
Coudn't find the thermal-mod link, maybe it has to do with editing the kernel.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/re.../official-orangefox-recovery-project-t3941822
https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-7/development/evira-kernel-redminote-7-t3919265
Coudn't find the thermal-mod link, maybe it has to do with editing the kernel.
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yes i also didnt find the thermal-mod link
but thanku very much for the help