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hello there
i was wondering on this issue.
the snapdragon 800 supposedly can do real 720P slo-mo at 120fps. right?
well, i checked many YT videos of the NOTE 3 alongside the A7's similar slo-mo (apple's 5S),
and it DOES NOT LOOK 720P at all. it looks pixelated, or better say, UPSCALED 480p.
while the A7 produce a video that's really usable, and really looks like genuine 720P.
why is that? from the specs i read on the SD800 it clearly says it HAS that capability.
this is a feature i just gotta have in my next phone and i want an Android phone with proper screen size.
any thoughts on the matter?
thanks!
Hmm I think you got it completely wrong..
http://blog.gsmarena.com/the-apple-iphone-5s-is-not-actually-recording-720p-slo-mo-video/
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Hmm I think you got it completely wrong..
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yea i saw it, thanks.
whether of not this is true, i could see with my own eyes from the many YT 720P videos that it's vastly superior to any other rivals with this option.
mainly the Note 3.
so they say the 5S is not genuine 720p? so it means the Note 3 is even less than 480p? i need FACTS.
and my eyes tell me the 5S looks like 720P. and the NOTE 3 looks like an upscaled 480p
please look in YT and tell me i'm wrong?
the 5S videos are usable to me. the NOTE 3 aren't.
so, why is that?
I don't have any reason to not believe you but.
To me it looks like genuine 720p. GSM arena a respectable site says it's genuine, while the 5s is not, so..
It seems to me maybe you have individual issues with it. Did you try flashing the APK camera again or another rom maybe this will solve your issue?
Worst case scenario is that you have a faulty camera and you need to give it for a repair?
orbitech said:
I don't have any reason to not believe you but.
To me it looks like genuine 720p. GSM arena a respectable site says it's genuine, while the 5s is not, so..
It seems to me maybe you have individual issues with it. Did you try flashing the APK camera again or another rom maybe this will solve your issue?
Worst case scenario is that you have a faulty camera and you need to give it for a repair?
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you misunderstood me.
i don't own a Note 3. i am looking for an Android device that can do a decent 720p slo-mo,
and from all the latest snapdragon's out there, the Note is the only one that claims to do a real 720p slo-mo.
i looked at many comparisons videos on youtube, downloaded them and studied them.
conclusion: the 5S is doing at least a x2 better job, whether it's fake or not.
if you could upload a sample of a 120fps slo-mo from your Note 3 and let me study it, i might be proven wrong.
but from MANY samples on YT, my eyes tell me a different story. please check for yourself and tell me.
(i'm not allowed to paste links yet, sorry)
btw - the gsm arena themselves say that they took a 720p video (NOT slo-mo) from the Note 3 and compared it to the 5S slo-mo, so obviously they didn't compare it right imo.
Ok I will be Cpt Obvious but... Do not trust YT. Or the internet samples from the vast majority of YT channels. I only read respectable sites and not the biased stories of every guy that posts or reposts the same videos with unproven or unscientific or biased methods.
Beyond all that, logic says a smartphone that can shoot 4K video @30fps and [email protected] certainly can do 720p @120fps. Especially with a processor like the S800.
If I have some time to upload a video I will do it for you, but I can't make any promises.
rozroz said:
btw - the gsm arena themselves say that they took a 720p video (NOT slo-mo) from the Note 3 and compared it to the 5S slo-mo, so obviously they didn't compare it right imo.
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Read the article again carefully. They did that since iPhone 5s does not support regular 720p video . Also the method is more than legit if you follow their logic. I am sorry to say that again but I would take the GSM Arena's findings any day over a YT's channel.
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Ok I will be Cpt Obvious but... Do not trust YT. Or the internet samples from the vast majority of YT channels. I only read respectable sites and not the biased stories of every guy that posts or reposts the same videos with unproven or unscientific or biased methods.
Beyond all that, logic says a smartphone that can shoot 4K video @30fps and [email protected] certainly can do 720p @120fps. Especially with a processor like the S800.
If I have some time to upload a video I will do it for you, but I can't make any promises.
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i completely agree with you on that.
that's why i asked you for a genuine sample
really hope you could make the effort (or anyone else here for that matter )
thanks.
rozroz said:
i completely agree with you on that.
that's why i asked you for a genuine sample
really hope you could make the effort (or anyone else here for that matter )
thanks.
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I will try I promise.Currently at work and way too much rain here today. It would be better to capture with better conditions for better results.
orbitech said:
I will try I promise.Currently at work and way too much rain here today. It would be better to capture with better conditions for better results.
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many thanks!
This is going to sound like a stupid question, but how do you set the frame rate? I can set the resolution to 720p but I see no options for framerate.
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This is going to sound like a stupid question, but how do you set the frame rate? I can set the resolution to 720p but I see no options for framerate.
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from what i remember you can only record a "slow motion" option.. no? ( i don't won a Note 3, sorry).
I'm not seeing anything like that anywhere though.
EDIT: Never mind, found it!
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This is going to sound like a stupid question, but how do you set the frame rate? I can set the resolution to 720p but I see no options for framerate.
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Once you choose the video resolution you open the "gear" menu and select the recording mode from a videocam icon that is there. There is no 30/60/120, just normal,fast,slow/smooth/limit for MMS options,depending on the video resolution you choose.
Thanks, I managed to find the options. There are actually some other options as well, you can set 1/2, 1/4 or 1/8 (default).
I've made two quick recordings of me picking up a pen and dropping it, one in slow-mo (1/8) and one at regular 720p. There's a definite difference in quality, I think.
Rather than upping them to youtube, here are the files straight from the device for a better comparison:
Regular: http://www.multiupload.nl/PFSU1W0H5R
Slow-mo: http://www.multiupload.nl/ZZF0SB3IFG
orbitech said:
I don't have any reason to not believe you but.
To me it looks like genuine 720p. GSM arena a respectable site says it's genuine, while the 5s is not, so..
It seems to me maybe you have individual issues with it. Did you try flashing the APK camera again or another rom maybe this will solve your issue?
Worst case scenario is that you have a faulty camera and you need to give it for a repair?
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He's not kidding. I think many people can't tell. It does indeed look pixelated and i'm here in Singapore. I showed my friend and she can't tell, i wish everyone in the world can't tell so we can all just live a big lie but it's pretty obvious there if u compare it with another 720p at 30fps
I'm just surprise that there isn't too many mentioned about it. :laugh: Sad to say, cos of this issue, i haven't been doing any 120fps video cos of the bad quality, a feature i was really excited over nothing. I wish Samsung would fix it though, if they even think it's a problem to begin with.
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The slow-mo record is quite disappointing. :S
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I know! I haven't once use it to take a video that i can upload but i'm thankful for the 60fps FHD. That one works really well
There are three modes for slow-mo.
If you select slow-mo 1/2 videos are recorded at true 720p - 120fps (quality is same as with regular 720p)
If you select 1/4 or 1/8 slo-mo (slower movements) videos are recorded at 240/480 fps and resolution is definitely lower (probably 480p upscaled) and you could clearly see difference in quality as well as pixelation.
Try recording at 1/2!
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There are three modes for slow-mo.
If you select slow-mo 1/2 videos are recorded at true 720p - 120fps (quality is same as with regular 720p)
If you select 1/4 or 1/8 slo-mo (slower movements) videos are recorded at 240/480 fps and resolution is definitely lower (probably 480p upscaled) and you could clearly see difference in quality as well as pixelation.
Try recording at 1/2!
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Tried. Quality looks better but i'm pretty sure that's not 120fps? Cos it's almost the same speed as a normal 30fps. Regardless, i think it's really poor. I hate to say this but iPhone 5S one looks way better even though it's not true 720p. And it can actually vary the speed, which is really nice.
Weird thing is the FHD 60fps look so much better that perhaps they should go for 120fps at FHD
I have the same problem.I would like to record 720p at 1/8.Isn't there any third party app that can help us or does it have something to do with hardware limitations?
neoKushan said:
Thanks, I managed to find the options. There are actually some other options as well, you can set 1/2, 1/4 or 1/8 (default).
I've made two quick recordings of me picking up a pen and dropping it, one in slow-mo (1/8) and one at regular 720p. There's a definite difference in quality, I think.
Rather than upping them to youtube, here are the files straight from the device for a better comparison:
Regular: http://www.multiupload.nl/PFSU1W0H5R
Slow-mo: http://www.multiupload.nl/ZZF0SB3IFG
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many thanks!
watched the slo-mo.
yea, definitely not 720p for 120fps.
5S wins heavily.
Looks like the G4's OIS is too aggressive and the videos taken look shaky.
Is this something future G4 owners will have to live with or can this be fixed by a software update, or perhaps a third party camera app?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY6rAE8FNkg
@4:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4MtfKfBW9E
Sharpshooterrr said:
Looks like the G4's OIS is too aggressive and the videos taken look shaky.
Is this something future G4 owners will have to live with or can this be fixed by a software update, or perhaps a third party camera app?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY6rAE8FNkg
@4:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4MtfKfBW9E
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I think LG depends too much on the OIS. OIS should work with DIS, not be an either-or situation.
The OIS in the G4 has more travel than the S6, which means it wants to stabilize the picture when the camera is moving during video and then snaps back more when it hits the end of the travel. The net result is, paradoxically, shakier video when the camera is moving around. This issue with video and OIS was pointed out in the Anandtech review of the S6, and was considered the probable reason that the iPhone 6+ disables OIS for video and uses only EIS.
I haven't tried it, but I've read that using EIS in conjunction with OIS on the S6 causes the video the pitch all over the place. Since OIS can't be disabled, it was recommended to disable EIS.
Technically, the OIS in the G4 is OIS 2.0 as they added another axis.
Yeah, that does not look good.
Yes, a software update can chill out the censors activities. The hardware is not just independently acting on it's own.
Umm....Those videos were taken at 1080p....not UHD setting. Not sure how that affects OIS.
All I can say is that my G3 takes very steady video on UHD...nothing as shaky or warping like as that video showed for the G4. I can't imagine LG screwing up so badly with the G4. I really want the G4 because of its better contrast screen(once thing I always found annoying is that the G3 always looked a bit grey/washed out compared to OLED screens). I will be looking to get the G4 full price, not on contract....so really hope this OIS thing gets sorted out.
Quite frankly, the OIS issue isn't really a big deal unless you really like taking video while walking around. For typical video shooting, OIS helps way more than it hurts.
Keep in mind these are early G4's with a non final firmware.
On the other hand if you send reviewers a G4 better have the OIS fixed.
Let's hope it will be not that bad.
The conclusions are too early.
The person who posted an another video of speed test said that this is not a review unit, It is a consumer unit which all consumers will use in comments when someone asked
Ha love the idea of quoting one early review and then stating it is fact and gospel. Ridiculous.
I am buying it. No matter what is OIS doing. It's better with it then without. I can't understand why we even talking about something that is hitting the shelves at the end of the month [ here in Europe ].
I use my G3 for video very heavily. (got over 2tb of videos from it and its only been almost a year since I got it.) None of my vids are that janky as in those review videos.
Just have to wait until the G4 is out for a while...see what happens.
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I use my G3 for video very heavily. (got over 2tb of videos from it and its only been almost a year since I got it.) None of my vids are that janky as in those review videos.
Just have to wait until the G4 is out for a while...see what happens.
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Yes I've had the g4 since last Tuesday - got it from a work mate in South Korea - and my videos look fine.
Silly LG ! why don't LG just use common sense? if they give unstable, unreliable and unfinished phone or software version phone to people for try they will publish and talk about all it deficiency, problem and other bad things, most of people publish video, opinion and review based on this initial hardware and software, so instead of promotion LG is actually damage his image and product and ruin the successful flagship launch by doing it, also LG need to understand that when they give phone to thousands of people to try give them a best looking phone instead of just giving plastic version to every tester or reviewer, do you thing any tester or reviewer can impress their friends or family by showed this unimpressive plastic version???
One thing I will say, I just did a video testing myself with my G4. The video was a little shaky then what I thought was recorded but what did annoy me was in auto mode the focusing was just horrible.
This camera software is definitely not finished
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Hanson68 said:
The OIS in the G4 has more travel than the S6, which means it wants to stabilize the picture when the camera is moving during video and then snaps back more when it hits the end of the travel. The net result is, paradoxically, shakier video when the camera is moving around. This issue with video and OIS was pointed out in the Anandtech review of the S6, and was considered the probable reason that the iPhone 6+ disables OIS for video and uses only EIS.
I haven't tried it, but I've read that using EIS in conjunction with OIS on the S6 causes the video the pitch all over the place. Since OIS can't be disabled, it was recommended to disable EIS.
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Usually OIS can be disabled through build.prop
upload this file found here system/lib/hw/camera.msm8xxx.so
i will find what needs to be added to build.prop to disable ois
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxgZfYS_ZeU
Maybe we should disable OIS and try to figure out a way to have DIS.
And on this review they say it has better stabilisation?
Lbs has a faulty device?
https://youtu.be/3b5B8LkrFF8
defcomg said:
Usually OIS can be disabled through build.prop
upload this file found here system/lib/hw/camera.msm8xxx.so
i will find what needs to be added to build.prop to disable ois
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Would there be any way to disable OIS on a G3? Sorry to go a bit off topic with my question but this thread is the only one I could find anywhere on the web mentioning the possibility if disabling OIS on an LG phone.
I use my phone as a dash cam when driving my car on race tracks. OIS give a wavey distortion due to the various G forces encountered.
Defcomg, will a solution for the G4 work on a G3?
Upload camera.MSM8974.so from g3 I will find the build.prop property needed to disable ois
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Edit:
Here are the OIS Control params they can be added to an opensource camera app such as a better camera/opencamera/freedcam
Key
Code:
"ois-ctrl"
Values
Code:
"preview-capture","capture","video","centering-only","centering-off"
this is from a g2 pro lib but it was the same in g3 lib not sure if it applies to g4
Thanks defcomg for a quick reply. I don't see any access to system/lib/hw/camera. I'm going to bet my phone needs to be rooted. I can give that a go but it may take a while for me to learn how. Sorry I'm a low level user. And Verizon is pounding me to update to Lollipop which I have been hesitant to do. (I read lots of complaints about battery degradation and wi-fi issues.) I should probably go ahead and do that in case doing it later unroots the phone.
When I first picked up my Galaxy s7 Edge on Sprint, I wrote a post about poor quality, lack of stability, and a lot of people told me I was imagining it, or put it down to YouTube. Now watch this...
https://youtu.be/gF_PRYBFS84
That is a video I took in FHD60 (i.e. 1080p and 60 frames per second) - skip forward to 8 seconds. Unacceptable isn't the word. I should add, most of the time it's not as bad as this - usually just a really jarring stutter, but it's done this a few times,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnRAHEE-nB4
This one is 4K. Not as bad on the face of it, but the weird motion blurring and blockiness present is ...well, it doesn't feel very 4K. I also experience some skips/frame drops when filming in this mode.
I took approx 130 10-30 second videos over the weekend and skipping is present in most of them. I've even got to the point where I try and film everything twice (panning across a landscape) so i can hopefully minimize the likelihood of skipping.
This is my second S7 edge, after the first one developed a dead pixel within the first 2 weeks. I've updated the firmware to G935PVPU2APD3.
From what I've read online in forums, one user claimed that on a live chat , Samsung are refusing to admit it publicly, but there is nothing they can do to improve it. I believe this is a problem mainly with the US Snapdragon 820 chip - but I dunno, it could be an issue with the International version too - either way, I'm not happy but it looks like we have to put up with it.
CTIGUK said:
When I first picked up my Galaxy s7 Edge on Sprint, I wrote a post about poor quality, lack of stability, and a lot of people told me I was imagining it, or put it down to YouTube. Now watch this...
https://youtu.be/gF_PRYBFS84
That is a video I took in FHD60 (i.e. 1080p and 60 frames per second) - skip forward to 8 seconds. Unacceptable isn't the word. I should add, most of the time it's not as bad as this - usually just a really jarring stutter, but it's done this a few times,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnRAHEE-nB4
This one is 4K. Not as bad on the face of it, but the weird motion blurring and blockiness present is ...well, it doesn't feel very 4K. I also experience some skips/frame drops when filming in this mode.
I took approx 130 10-30 second videos over the weekend and skipping is present in most of them. I've even got to the point where I try and film everything twice (panning across a landscape) so i can hopefully minimize the likelihood of skipping.
This is my second S7 edge, after the first one developed a dead pixel within the first 2 weeks. I've updated the firmware to G935PVPU2APD3.
From what I've read online in forums, one user claimed that on a live chat , Samsung are refusing to admit it publicly, but there is nothing they can do to improve it. I believe this is a problem mainly with the US Snapdragon 820 chip - but I dunno, it could be an issue with the International version too - either way, I'm not happy but it looks like we have to put up with it.
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What is your Camera Chip?
Mine is: SLSI_S5K2L1_FIMC_IS
Exynos Version
To find out, download Aida64, go to Devices and see Rear-Facing Camera Section
dave7802 said:
What is your Camera Chip?
Mine is: SLSI_S5K2L1_FIMC_IS
Exynos Version
To find out, download Aida64, go to Devices and see Rear-Facing Camera Section
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Hi Dave,
I have the Snapdragon 820 processor and camera is SONY_IMX260
I've seen pieces online that say the Snapdragon fares worse than the Exynos in terms of performance, so it could be only really noticeable on those phones
Indeed, am no pro snapper so I cannot comment.
But the picture quality has been perfect on my device.
Am going to try this recording on the way home in the car now though (something i have yet to do)
I'll upload to YouTube for you to view if you like.
Any specific settings you used?
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dave7802 said:
Indeed, am no pro snapper so I cannot comment.
But the picture quality has been perfect on my device.
Am going to try this recording on the way home in the car now though (something i have yet to do)
I'll upload to YouTube for you to view if you like.
Any specific settings you used?
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It happens with FHD60 most commonly. Panning the camera makes it most notable... that's pretty much it!
Just a question.. you are recording internally or on sdcard?
I don't think there's any way that is a hardware issue. Seems like something is going way wrong with the video recording on the software level - I'd be money it is digital stabilization going haywire. Was that turned off? If so, maybe it's broken.
My question is, can I get some real reviews from real users, not the YouTube paid reviews. Some people should have it for about 2 weeks now, and I wanna hear what you think. I've read where the camera is horrible, and others say it's OK. I'm buying the phone this Thursday, or next Thursday and am looking for some honesty.
How I typically use my phone is all day, everyday. It's a bit of an ADD thing where I have to keep myself busy. Games, XDA, more games. I play VainGlory a lot, and it's pretty heavy on my phone. Does anyone else play this, and how does the 5 perform while playing?
Can anyone post some pictures they took of scenery, buildings, etc... I'll post some of mine taken from my Nexus 6P, edited in Snapseed. The camera is a big point for me.
Please and thank you!!
I currently own OP5 and previous phone was Pixel XL.
If a camera is a big point for you, there are better options for sure such as Pixel , iPhone and U11.
If gaming, then this phone will perform way better than 6p or any other phone. 835 CPU, GPU and 8 RAM means solid performance.
Camera is great in good lighting; mediocre in low light. 1080 Video good and 4K video average.
Battery life for me has been incredible! Fast charging is awesome too.
OP5 is a fantastic phone and I would recommend to anyone. I say this even though I plan on returning OP5 and going back to my Pixel XL. Why? Camera and smoother overall experience in Pixel. OP5 is faster for sure.
I hope this helps. It was not an easy decision for me.
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I don't take too many videos, but I definitely like having the option of taking a good one. Gaming is a big selling point for me as well. As for the camera... I'm kind of hoping that some sort of fix is released in an update for whatever the issue is.
It definitely helps though. The price is also a factor, as I'm thinking I'll be able to sell my 6p for 325-350, with all the cases I have and the pretty awesome condition I've kept it in.
I've also haven't had a *new* phone in years. Last one I had was S6 Edge and I ended up having to give it to my Now Ex-girlfriends mom since it was on her plan and we broke up. I had it for like 3 weeks. So, a new phone under warranty would be pretty sweet to have.
Im going to buy it, I made up my mind. If anything, and the camera is way worse than my 6p and they don't release an update I can just sell it, right? Yup.
Bye-bye Nexus.
I'll break up a short review into a few sections.
Design - 9/10
I really like the build quality. The phone looks very similar to a certain device, but I don't mind this. The matte black color looks great and the device, while a bit thin, is the perfect weight (although I am going to buy a case as soon as they become available.) Although I do wish the camera was in the center because when you lay the device down, the protruding camera lens is what your device lays on and makes the device not lay completely flat. The good news is the camera lends is made out of sapphire so durability is there.
Performance | Daily Tasks - 9/10
I have read all about the "Jello effect." This does appear on my device, but it's very minimal and I don't see it as a problem. I did recently watch a video where it was a lot worse in that video. People on social media tend to be hive-mind associated so a lot of negativity tends to spread like wildfire while the positive items are left out of the spotlight. I think the device is extremely snappy and I have noticed the phone doesn't even get warm while playing Pokemon Go for long spurts at a time. No sluggish performance at all.
Wireless Connectivity | WiFi | 4G - 8/10
Cellular Performance
This aspect is generally very important to me. When I compare it to my brother's GS8 on T-Mobile US, we both have a consistent experience in strong signal areas. The OP5 doesn't support 4x4 MIMO on the 4G/LTE side, but it does support 256QAM and 3xCA which is more than enough for the typical power user. Overall, my brother's S8 tends to get slightly less than 10% more speeds on LTE than I do (for comparison, I hit 115Mbps in a spot whereas the GS8 hit 125Mbps.) However, I will note that edge-of-signal, the S8 does win outright. In a few areas where LTE signal is weak (sub -120dBm RSRP), the OnePlus 5 will tend to drop to HSPA or even Edge whereas the S8 will maintain a usable signal. In other words, VoLTE'ers, you may experience more dropped calls when venturing about in weak LTE areas.
WiFi Performance
The OP5 supports 2x2 MIMO and wireless AC so 5Ghz networks is vastly improved over the OP3/OP3T in regards to WiFi coverage/performance. In comparison, I can pull up to 540mbps in a corner of my house on the OP5 whereas the OP3T will only be able to pull 32mbps on the same network. Oneplus has really went above and beyond in terms of WiFi antenna design and has consistently matched the GS8's WiFi performance (Note: I do not have Gigabit internet so I wan't able to test higher-end speeds.)
Battery - 9/10
I am coming from a Le Pro3 (which is one of the best devices for battery), and I'm not too concerned with what I'm getting on the OP5. I am consistently getting through the typical work-day with around 30-40% juice left after a few hours of screen time. If I need a quick charge, Dash charging is there. I will mention that I wish Dash Charging wasn't so proprietary. Because almost all of my current chargers are Qualcomm QC which aren't compatible with the Oneplus. Although it'll still charge the device, just not rapidly like Dash would.
Camera - 7/10
I am not a photographer by any means and a good camera doesn't necessarily sell me on a device by itself. I will say though that while the pictures are not as good as what you'd get on the GS8, they are pretty good shots and I honestly can't see people looking at your facebook pictures and thinking "wow, whatever camera took this picture sucks." I am quite content with the camera because it is better than a mid-range device, but worse than a flagship.
Software/Customization - 10/10
This is the main reason I went with the OnePlus device. Oxygen OS is so smooth and AOSP-like. The nearly bloatless experience and ability to change the theme/accents of your device are amazing. That, and I know the community will be behind some massive developments for this device so I can satisfy my flashing urges as they come up. It all just works.
Sound/Speakers - 9/10
I would have preferred stereo speaker setup, instead of mono speaker. Still, I would say I have been very impressed with the mono speaker on the bottom with the amount of quality and loud sounds that come from it. Music in the car over Bluetooth/Android Auto also works great and is very clear sounding. I actually flashed the Viper/Arise sound mod and disabled it shortly after because stock sounds that good (I don't play around with the Viper/Arise settings too much, so maybe I can improve it but to me there's not much left to be desired.) Voice Calls, people are loud and clear.
Overall, I am very happy with my purchase and would recommend the product to a friend!
Man the phones on point. I went hard on my op5 & have yet to hit 34 °c I play the phone for long stretches so not worrying about my phone getting to hot is my favorite upgrade so far. The battery for sure last longer than the 3t but the 3t charges about 10 minutes faster
My phone was delivered on the Friday after the key note and have used this as my daily driver. My most recent phone was the Samsung s7e, but gave to my wife as I found it too slow (and I really wanted to try a one plus 5).
Initial impressions are similar to the (honest) reviews:
1. Damn this thing is quick
2. Damn the fingerprint reader is quick
3. Damn that charges quick
3. Oh, the camera isn't quite as good as it was hyped
I think it looks "fine" (i.e I couldn't care less what it looks like).
Battery life has been good, at least comparable to a 6 month old SGS7e (I bought that second hand) but not as good as my old Sony z3c.
The camera is good, don't get me wrong, and it can take better shots than the Samsung, but it's not as consistent. Low light isn't as good (but again, the Samsung is a very high bar). I'd say that 90% of my photos come out fine first time. It's very quick to take photos though (if Oneplus wanted a "speed" theme to come through in this device then they certainly succeeded)
1080p video is very good. Surprisingly good. Ok 4k recording lacks stabilisation, but hey, do people bother to record in this resolution? (I suppose that do, but I sure as hell don't). They've also said that 4k EIS will come in an update.
The screen is very good. Having had the S6 and S7e, I've experienced excellent screens (i.e. high resolution) but really don't see the point for 99% of the time (I played with vr for a couple of days about 12 months ago so I really do mean 99%). 1080p is absolutely great for a 5.5" screen.
My only complaints have been:
1. Jelly (yes, either I'm susceptible to seeing it or my device has it)
2. Camera not as good as hyped
3. Some vague software oddities which I'm sure will be sorted (notification issues with eBay)
I'll post up some photos...
Some photos #shotonaoneplus
The best thing about OnePlus 5 is support from this community. I ordered on the conference day and there was TWRP and root solution available before this phone even arrived to my home. Another great thing is overall performance, clean OS, no bloatware.
Time for bad things. It is always bad sign when the company behind any device lies to you. They lie about camera peformance, they lie about screen issues... I wonder what will be next. Had I waited few days and seen how OnePlus acts, I would not buy it again.
Still I have it, so let's talk about user experience. I am switching to OnePlus 5 from my 4 years old OPPO Find 7, so this is my point of reference.
Form factor. The phone is a bit slippery and uncomfortable to grip. It has some sort of additional sharp line on the edge, and I ordered a cover to make it feel better. Other than this, it looks great and sexy. Shame it is not original design, but it is still good if you don't care about such things (I personally don't).
Screen. Screen has great colors and real blacks. It doesn't have the best resolution but just looks better than 2K IPS of Find 7. Use some dark wallpaper and you will be in heaven. At the same time you have this jelly effect and before I got used to it, it felt wrong. If you are motion sick, you should stay away from this phone.
Camera. The only good thing I can say about camera is its tonal range. You get all the colors instead of washed whites when you shot something with high contrast. At the same time I have seen way more details on the Find 7, which is four years old than on the OnePlus 5. Maybe it is poor compression of images, maybe it is some de-noising algorithm... anyway when you zoom in, you will see only blur in the image. Also, the telephoto camera is almost never used indoors (easy to check - cover one lens and see yourself which lens your phone is using) and used outdoor only when light is perfect (hello sun). When you click this magical 2x zoom in your camera app you will newer know whether you are doing software zoom loosing even more details or actual optical zoom... which even in best case is software-processed.
OS. Is great. Clean, fast android. Easy to root, easy to mod.
Battery life. Mixed. It will give you a full day, easily, but also drops significantly when you don't use the phone. Still, you have the DaSH/VOOC fast charge, so that's not a big issue.
Summary - this phone is great when you love messing with your phone, you are going to try custom rooms, you need root and great community support. It should be your choice if you with to have hardware that has enough power to stay with you for years. If you are looking for "clearer photos" look somewhere else. This is outward lie, and camera peformance is just average. It is also not a device for you if you must have the latest technology in hand or a very decent screen.
It is also not a steal anymore. You pay a bit less than premium range and you get a bit less then premium quality. Consider what you are looking for, and if your boxes are matched go for it.
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How I typically use my phone is all day, everyday. It's a bit of an ADD thing where I have to keep myself busy. Games, XDA, more games. I play VainGlory a lot, and it's pretty heavy on my phone. Does anyone else play this, and how does the 5 perform while playing?
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I've never played that game but I play some games (the Idolmaster rhythm games) that are pretty heavy and made my Nexus 6 very sad. They run very smoothly at highest settings on the 1+5, and thanks to the massive amounts of ram, I can switch between several games with no problem.
The one complaint I have is the placement of the speaker. If you are playing a game landscape orientation your hand will keep covering it. Big problem when playing rhythm games.
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Those are more than acceptable pics for a smartphone. I don't expect DSLR quality, and it looks like it could be an improvement over my 6p.
I really appreciate everyone's responses. They all are very insightful, and definitely put my mind at ease about the purchase.
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Those are more than acceptable pics for a smartphone. I don't expect DSLR quality, and it looks like it could be an improvement over my 6p.
I really appreciate everyone's responses. They all are very insightful, and definitely put my mind at ease about the purchase.
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You will be happy with it, I'm sure!
From the forums you might think it's nothing but problems, but overall it is still a really great phone. Keep in mind most of the folks who even know about this phone are the pickiest of the pickiest!
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You will be happy with it, I'm sure!
From the forums you might think it's nothing but problems, but overall it is still a really great phone. Keep in mind most of the folks who even know about this phone are the pickiest of the pickiest!
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Haha, true that. I might say that camera performance means a lot to me. But I have no actual "training" in being a photographer, or what is supposed to look like what. I just like taking pictures for myself, and I throw em up on Instagram. I use a lot of my pictures for wallpapers for my phone, mainly.
If anything, the better the phone is performing at games the better it would be for me, and this sounds like a beast. I'll be doubling my ram, and storage capacity so I'll be more than happy at that fact alone. Haha
Edit: I hope this post stays near the top for anyone on the fence about the purchase. I was just thinking about you're only hearing so many users complaining about the phone, but how many other users out there that are completely satisfied.
I bought it just an hour after the event, and I'm returning it tofay. I love taking pictures with my phone and I don't like op5 photos at all. I'm sending it back this week before the 14-day period is over, I'm moving to the S8 which I found at the same price...
I just hate how it deals with low-light and with colour, in particular in the details, which are just awful. I come from three and an half years with the Nexus 5, which had OIS and an awesome HDR. In this phone, HDR pics are way too noisy and sometimes colours look much worse than non-HDR photos.
Dual camera, horrible photos I'd say
I was really excited about this phone, so I'm very disappointed. I know they might fix it in the future, but I don't feel like trusting OnePlus seeing how they are dealing with the OP3 update and with the jelly effect
P.S. Sorry for bad English, I'm new to the forum world
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I bought it just an hour after the event, and I'm returning it tofay. I love taking pictures with my phone and I don't like op5 photos at all. I'm sending it back this week before the 14-day period is over, I'm moving to the S8 which I found at the same price...
I just hate how it deals with low-light and with colour, in particular in the details, which are just awful. I come from three and an half years with the Nexus 5, which had OIS and an awesome HDR. In this phone, HDR pics are way too noisy and sometimes colours look much worse than non-HDR photos.
Dual camera, horrible photos I'd say
I was really excited about this phone, so I'm very disappointed. I know they might fix it in the future, but I don't feel like trusting OnePlus seeing how they are dealing with the OP3 update and with the jelly effect
P.S. Sorry for bad English, I'm new to the forum world
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OK have fun in the s8 forums. deuces
I love it ?
Camera can't complain needs few extra features I think there's always pro mode but I'm not cam savvy so just use normal mode sure it will be improved in updates , ?
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I love it ?
Camera can't complain needs few extra features I think there's always pro mode but I'm not cam savvy so just use normal mode sure it will be improved in updates , ?
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Nice pics
Here are some pics I couldn't update earlier. You can see how bad the camera works in some conditions (like in the tree in two of the photos, which looks very unreal). Also in low light HDR is too noisy and I had to take twice the photo in the square and still I couldn't get a sharp image. Also you can see some artifacts in the two road pics. This is what convinced me to send this phone back, I take lots of pics and my old Nexus 5 worked better in all of these conditions
Edit: I might sound crazy, but look at the details
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I love it ?
Camera can't complain needs few extra features I think there's always pro mode but I'm not cam savvy so just use normal mode sure it will be improved in updates , ?
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I figured I would take one picture and edit in Snapseed to see how that pans out. I'm posting both the original and edited.
Honestly, I don't think I'll be upset at all for the quality. I like it. The pro mode will be fun as well to play with,
Had a great time in NY with it this past weekend.
I have to say that I love the phone. I have an s8+ too and I actually don't miss it at all. I bought the LG G6 last month an lasted 1 day with it and some would, well do argue that it's a better phone than the s8.
What I like: The performance. That phone is fast in every aspect. The best example I can give is the setup. I have 161 apps. It took 2 and a half hours to download on the s8+. Guess how fast it was on the OP5 25 minutes. I've never see that before.
The screen is fine, the camera is no prize winner but no slouch either. I'm sure SW updates can make it better. The sound is good.
What I don't like: So far it's that damn screen that flips to landscape for no reason.
I didn't think of returning the phone until I saw the thread with all the people whining about the most trivial things.
The way I see it is. If the camera really matters to you. S8+, Pixel XL, U11. If not, by all means. You cannot go wrong with this. 8gb of ram 128 GB of storage and this community. Your kids can use it 6 years from now it will still be a top contender.
here are 2 pictures
1 for running the commands on my Z5 compact (broken screen thats why I bought the xz premium)
the other to see if youtube supports the screen.
now the screen only supprted QHD at 640 PPI after trying to run it at 4k
evidently youtube supported 2k resolution on a 720p screen.
so Sony could be yanking us about their "4k" screen when you can clearly see 1080p phones beating it! heck even this z5c on 720p beats it and on 2k its far destructive over the XZ premium!!
talk about 4gb of ram? the z5c has 2!!! try to reset both phones and see the difference in scroll speed in home screen and in app drawer!! z5c is flawless! fully bright as hell supports 2k and it looks alot better.
so maybe thats why we see pixel grids on the xz premium and thats why its not as sharp as other devices (NOTICEABLY LESS SHARP!!! even on "4k" mod pfft as if it has the right to be called a 4k device)
so disappointing... i paid for 4k screen got a virtual 4k... 806 ppi? guess again! its native ppi is 408 even after 4k mod it says DPI 806 but clearly shows PPI (X) 400+ (forgot the exact number) and PPI (Y) 400+.
I know even on 1080p the xz premium supports 4k videos but what proves us that sony actually added lines to the app to support NATIVE 4K and not VIRTUAL?
screen is supposedly supportive of 120hz? lol even on 60hz its not even showing real 60hz the Z5C is far smoother with worse processor and lower ram performs better, worse screen looks a lot sharper, worse camera (in most cases it is but it is sharper though).
So in conclusion, this is not a 4k screen (i could be wrong or missing something) even if it is 4k, to me, i dont even see it comparable to 1080p... Im sorry but lets not let the lies blind fold us..
To add to that sony phones are rootless, they are but whats the point of rooting if youre gonna lose your camera functionality? I say if you root a phone and it becomes worse, to me its automatically rootless
So to finish my post:
SCEW YOU SONY!! THIS MY LAST DEVICE FROM YOU, YOU CHEAP LYING ADVERTISERS MONEY HUNGRY THIEVES!!
Have a good one people
It really is in 4k using the right apps.
Good riddance. Some dude posted a while back that the XZP community is a bit off compared to the other threads. I guess he was right.
Funny how he goes on about ''It's not a 4K screen, it's not, I swear on my life it's not, [email protected]&* you Sony'', then says, "I could be wrong or missing something". Make up your damn mind, either Sony lied to you for sh*ts and giggles because they had nothing better to do or you are just so damn fixated on proving a point that you simply do not even know how to go about proving that point, contradicting yourself about the resolution on top of that.
Grow up!
Mobfigurz said:
Funny how he goes on about ''It's not a 4K screen, it's not, I swear on my life it's not, [email protected]&* you Sony'', then says, "I could be wrong or missing something". Make up your damn mind, either Sony lied to you for sh*ts and giggles because they had nothing better to do or you are just so damn fixated on proving a point that you simply do not even know how to go about proving that point, contradicting yourself about the resolution on top of that.
Grow up!
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I am grown dude i said my opinion i didnt even swear its not i just said concidering the fact that the emulator can make a 720p screen run at 2k how can we make sure that this 4k is really 4k? Native and not virtual... You say using the right apps its really 4k how can u be so sure? I ran youtube vid on 2k on a 720p screen emulated to 2k so how does that prove anything?
Btw im not mad at the developers in here the other poat stated the sick comunity of unthankful people who are accusing them of not doing a good job, im not mad at them im mad at sony. If i was right with you people would you look me in a straight face telling me you really think this 4k screen looks sharper than the z3? (1080p) dont answer before you check, cuz i did, on 4k enabled, compare it to the z3 and it looks less sharp, and the z3 has whiter whites so i paid for this device cuz of how sony advertised its screen being the best since its 4k but it actually isnt as good so maybe youre mad at me for hating but i paid loads for this concidering what in can deliver according to the advertisements of sony but in actuality it doesnt show it...
I said maybe i could be wrong about the screen not being a native 4k, but even if im wrong this doesnt look 4k to me, look me in a straight face and tell me this actually looks 4times sharper than any other 1080p screen. If you cant tell me that dont judge me for being mad cuz i paid for 4 times 1080 screen and all i got is worse sharpness with pixelated grids
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It really is in 4k using the right apps.
Good riddance. Some dude posted a while back that the XZP community is a bit off compared to the other threads. I guess he was right.
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No im not a bit off over the devs they are doing a great job im not hating on any dev nor their work cuz this device is a pain in the behind to root it and use it properly.
Im mad straight at sony.
How can u really prove its really 4k? Even if u do, does this screen look sharper than 1080p screens? For god sake i can see pixel grids i get cuz of the pattern of the pixels but i paid for a. 4k screen and i dont understand how you can actually say its sharper than other 1080 or 2k phones.. It isnt i can show you pics of it going against the z3 and the samsung and the htc and this is supposed to have the best screen of all? Im sorry if im coming out as a pain dissing the device but im saying the truth in my eyes and this doesnt look anything like I expected from a 4k screen to deliver... The worst i expected is for it to not be worse than 1080p phones.. But its even worse so im really disappointed.
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No im not a bit off over the devs they are doing a great job im not hating on any dev nor their work cuz this device is a pain in the behind to root it and use it properly.
Im mad straight at sony.
How can u really prove its really 4k? Even if u do, does this screen look sharper than 1080p screens? For god sake i can see pixel grids i get cuz of the pattern of the pixels but i paid for a. 4k screen and i dont understand how you can actually say its sharper than other 1080 or 2k phones.. It isnt i can show you pics of it going against the z3 and the samsung and the htc and this is supposed to have the best screen of all? Im sorry if im coming out as a pain dissing the device but im saying the truth in my eyes
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So your judgement is derived from 'limited' tests using an emulator and your visual perception, just because the difference is not discernible to your eyes you believe it is a lie, fair enough, that is your opinion after all. But to come to that conclusion again by limited means of testing, that does not stand true against what other people have tested and examined and again, peoples perception differs, whether it is a figment of someone imagination or a actual fact, but people can see the crispness, clarity, sharpness or whatever you words you want to use.
I myself do not game, watch videos, skype or so on with my phone, I use it purely as a phone, a means of communication and the few times I have displayed 4K content, I have been clearly able to see the difference in what I am looking at, but that by using 4K .MKV files from my NAS and 4K images, maybe, just maybe that is because I do not spend more than a few minutes at a time looking at the screen of my phone, and spend less than an hour a day actually using my phone. Who knows.
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So your judgement is derived from 'limited' tests using an emulator and your visual perception, just because the difference is not discernible to your eyes you believe it is a lie, fair enough, that is your opinion after all. But to come to that conclusion again by limited means of testing, that does not stand true against what other people have tested and examined and again, peoples perception differs, whether it is a figment of someone imagination or a actual fact, but people can see the crispness, clarity, sharpness or whatever you words you want to use.
I myself do not game, watch videos, skype or so on with my phone, I use it purely as a phone, a means of communication and the few times I have displayed 4K content, I have been clearly able to see the difference in what I am looking at, but that by using 4K .MKV files from my NAS and 4K images, maybe, just maybe that is because I do not spend more than a few minutes at a time looking at the screen of my phone, and spend less than an hour a day actually using my phone. Who knows.
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well im not just using "an" emulator im using the only way to show the device in 4k all the time. have you seen youtube videos on "how to enable 4k at all times" which means not just apps that support 4k but all the phone. so my point is using this emulator, the device is not naively 4k, proven! I provided pics of z5c running at 2k when its a 720p, im just saying this is not a native 4k method.
my second point is, yes after running this particular method the device does look sharper than it was, but not sharper than other devices. sharpness is not a matter of opinion nor imagination, if it was a color problem i could be color blind yes, but sharpness is not a personal opinion, its a fact. maybe a few tests arent enough but having an old phone as old as the z3 showing crisper images on instagram and almost any other app or picture, with better white balance against this so called premium phone with supposedly 4k screen just doesnt sit tight in my expectations in fact its worse than the worst you can expect...
not just the z3, but the s8, z5 premium, these are devices i have hold of to compare but if these devices have crisper image than this 4k then you tell me sony didnt lie to us...
and I also have a samsung s5 phone and i went to youtube, got into "4k wild animals" video put on my xz premium 4k settings, and 1080 on the s5 and the s5 looks just as sharp and on some edges even sharper.
does this make sense to you? maybe youre not believing me because there are no display comparisons for this device against others, except the s8, which evidently the s8 has a sharper display (the XZ premium is stated as more realistic but less sharper) so people cant really tell a difference and id be happy to post pictures of comparison.
PS: just a thing to think about for you, do you really think I would go through this much trouble and time trying to prove the device is actually 4k, if the device was as pleasing as I expected? why would I bother? a 4k screen would make you go "GOD DAMN THIS SCREEN IS AWESOMEEEE!" and not "HMM seems fishy I think I should check that out". just saying you should think about that.
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well im not just using "an" emulator im using the only way to show the device in 4k all the time. have you seen youtube videos on "how to enable 4k at all times" which means not just apps that support 4k but all the phone. so my point is using this emulator, the device is not naively 4k, proven! I provided pics of z5c running at 2k when its a 720p, im just saying this is not a native 4k method.
my second point is, yes after running this particular method the device does look sharper than it was, but not sharper than other devices. sharpness is not a matter of opinion nor imagination, if it was a color problem i could be color blind yes, but sharpness is not a personal opinion, its a fact. maybe a few tests arent enough but having an old phone as old as the z3 showing crisper images on instagram and almost any other app or picture, with better white balance against this so called premium phone with supposedly 4k screen just doesnt sit tight in my expectations in fact its worse than the worst you can expect...
not just the z3, but the s8, z5 premium, these are devices i have hold of to compare but if these devices have crisper image than this 4k then you tell me sony didnt lie to us...
and I also have a samsung s5 phone and i went to youtube, got into "4k wild animals" video put on my xz premium 4k settings, and 1080 on the s5 and the s5 looks just as sharp and on some edges even sharper.
does this make sense to you? maybe youre not believing me because there are no display comparisons for this device against others, except the s8, which evidently the s8 has a sharper display (the XZ premium is stated as more realistic but less sharper) so people cant really tell a difference and id be happy to post pictures of comparison.
PS: just a thing to think about for you, do you really think I would go through this much trouble and time trying to prove the device is actually 4k, if the device was as pleasing as I expected? why would I bother? a 4k screen would make you go "GOD DAMN THIS SCREEN IS AWESOMEEEE!" and not "HMM seems fishy I think I should check that out". just saying you should think about that.
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I think you may have missed something, the phone is not running 4K full time and if you looked into it before purchase as most 'enthusiasts' do, you would research a device before taking the plunge and splashing out large amounts of money. I purchased my XZP a month or so after launch, after having read many reviews and visited this section of XDA as I had the Z5P before this and I was aware, even from the Z5P that 4K was an 'on-demand' feature only utilised by certain applications. So there is that, but also on your point of clarity, I cannot say whether you are right or wrong in comparison to other devices as I solely use the one phone and only have the need for one phone so there would be no need for me to 'check' against other phones as it does not matter to me how other devices perform, I own a XZP.
I do understand what you are getting at though, the problem is, you have placed far too much emphasis on how other devices perform and to be frank, there are not a large number of people who are in the same boat as you, you may find some feel the same way but look at the majority of users on XDA of the XZP, they have no complaints and even the Devs who I assume are far more knowledgeable than both of us are fine with the XZP.
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I think you may have missed something, the phone is not running 4K full time and if you looked into it before purchase as most 'enthusiasts' do, you would research a device before taking the plunge and splashing out large amounts of money. I purchased my XZP a month or so after launch, after having read many reviews and visited this section of XDA as I had the Z5P before this and I was aware, even from the Z5P that 4K was an 'on-demand' feature only utilised by certain applications. So there is that, but also on your point of clarity, I cannot say whether you are right or wrong in comparison to other devices as I solely use the one phone and only have the need for one phone so there would be no need for me to 'check' against other phones as it does not matter to me how other devices perform, I own a XZP.
I do understand what you are getting at though, the problem is, you have placed far too much emphasis on how other devices perform and to be frank, there are not a large number of people who are in the same boat as you, you may find some feel the same way but look at the majority of users on XDA of the XZP, they have no complaints and even the Devs who I assume are far more knowledgeable than both of us are fine with the XZP.
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well that is true although i did spend quite a lot of time researching the phone not one reviewer said that it doesnt run 4k all the time. i didnt own a z5 so i didnt know, after a while some reviewers stated the fact that it doesnt run at all times, even so mate im not hating nor mad at any one except sony you know why? cuz a lot of customers went on to sony support center asking for enabling 4k at all time, you know what sony suggested? using that emulator I talked about earlier, it was ok at first but i have a sharp eye to notice things, and I did notice that the screen is still not as sharp, so then I tried running the emulator on my 720p screen z5c and it ran at 2k... then I was surprised and disappointed that sony them selves would answer the question of "how to enable 4k at all times" with a virtual emulator rather than to allow enjoy *native* 4k.
thats one point made, second point is maybe im too into my device than any one else, to the point where I go digging on it and comparing it its because its a newer generation.
Im paying for a new phone, if im getting just as good as previews owns then why buy? cuz technology is developing, sony said its 4k, but they tell us to virtually emulate it to use it all the time at 4k, lying to our faces? it worked on the z5c so how is that native? how does that make our device special? I could have sticked to my old phone had my screen fixed for a lil money if im getting 2k at a 4.7" screen is even better than 4k on 5.5" so why sony advertisers are so hype "oh look 4k, WOW damn sony is good JEEZ 4k screen on a smartphone thats some thing else right there thats new thats TECHNOLOGY right there" when its just a software emulating pixels, again, even if the screen is proven 4K, the method sony has provided us to run it at 4k at all times isnt really 4k and they say it is, who knows what else they are lying about keep digging and ill find more trust me.
"only look at your plate, stay out of others plates" that is true, but in this case, the plate company has gave me a reason to buy their plate so I would enjoy what the plate has to offer, once I got the plate, it isnt what I wanted, so I ordered a 4k phone, it didnt look like one, sure to some people it is a great display i think so too, it is VERY good, crisp and is very realistic and natural, but some people and not only me, you can see in a lot of threads that there are a lot of pissed off mislead people because the hype of this phone is 4K HDR.
sadly if its better than other 1080p phones, it looks the same some times worse, in some cases better but not in terms of sharpness. the more pixels you have the more detailed the display, ive seen more details on other screens.
im stuck with the device i aint selling its pretty good overall im not complaining about the device, but I am mad at sony for pissing me off it is a great device, but my expectations were a lot higher, very disappointing by sony...
thats just the screen, it pisses me off even more knowing that most phone companies use SONY cameras and sony cant even compete with them in terms of photo quality, just shows how low lives money hungry they are... very manipulative and dont care about their customers. telling me to virtually run 4k is actually NATIVE when it clearly can run a 720p phone in 2k!
There are other ways to enable 4K or even 2K on the phone via ADB I believe, take a look around the forum and you might find a better way to run it rather than the emulator.
I have never looked into it myself because I am satisfied with the phone and do not want 4K to be always on and drain my battery. Also, that is another consideration Sony factored in, as on the Z5P and the XZP, 4K and battery life need to coexist, and though the screen is of course a major feature as advertised, they have to find a balance as not all consumers are like us XDA users, most people do not root their phones and mess with them like we do. You have to remember that also, we would love certain features but we need a balance, the XZP could have been even bigger and heavier if they had constant 4K and a larger capacity battery to support it and provide enough juice to last 2 days, you have to remember that battery charge times, in-call and standby times are also major factors, people do buy because of battery life expectations, having to charge less, having greater freedom of usage and not having to worry about charging every hour.
Yah i guess youre right.
The adb is the emulator im talking about.
Yah the phone i awesome after all, even on youtube on 4k i thought it would be more crisp, it is pretty crisp and sharp but i expected more on 4k display thats what dissapointed me cuz my s5 in youtube on 1080p is sharper than ny xz premiun on 4k in the same video so it kind of bugs me..
Overall the quality of the display and colors produce a more natural display but when it comes to sharpness i expected better.
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Yah i guess youre right.
The adb is the emulator im talking about.
Yah the phone i awesome after all, even on youtube on 4k i thought it would be more crisp, it is pretty crisp and sharp but i expected more on 4k display thats what dissapointed me cuz my s5 in youtube on 1080p is sharper than ny xz premiun on 4k in the same video so it kind of bugs me..
Overall the quality of the display and colors produce a more natural display but when it comes to sharpness i expected better.
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I completely understand where you are coming from, you built up your expectations from the way Sony advertised the device, the main selling features but it fell short of your expectations, unfortunately, that can happen a lot and there is little we can do about it, I believe the majority of users feel that way about at least one thing on the XZP and that seems to revolve around the Camera itself and how the quality of images is inferior to other manufacturers using the same Sony camera.
Maybe you can go to a store and compare other Sony devices against your expectations for your next purchase, maybe you can save yourself some money and find a 'cheaper' device that meets your expectations because we know how expensive the XZP was and who knows if the next 'Premium' device will be any better.
Mobfigurz said:
I completely understand where you are coming from, you built up your expectations from the way Sony advertised the device, the main selling features but it fell short of your expectations, unfortunately, that can happen a lot and there is little we can do about it, I believe the majority of users feel that way about at least one thing on the XZP and that seems to revolve around the Camera itself and how the quality of images is inferior to other manufacturers using the same Sony camera.
Maybe you can go to a store and compare other Sony devices against your expectations for your next purchase, maybe you can save yourself some money and find a 'cheaper' device that meets your expectations because we know how expensive the XZP was and who knows if the next 'Premium' device will be any better.
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yah Im from Israel, we almost dont have any store that shows you the device before purchasing, you just go to the store and ask for what you want to buy and you cant open any thing before purchase...
so I cant really compare and sony isnt famous in israel when it comes to phones so its hard to find some one who has sony to compare with so I rely on the internet.
I actually checked some youtube videos on speed test against some flagship devices from other manufacturers and I noticed that the xzp does have a crisp screen (could be the camera not catching the best angle for the displays) so in my conclusion all the manufactures are using QHD and UHD displays but their previous devices that has 1080p have crisper displays,either that or before they used over-saturated amoled displays that made the screen look sharper but now are using more natural image producing displays less saturated which caused our eye to believe its less sharp, I dont really understand, still I expected better.
yes camera is inferior due to lack of OIS but in videos in the morning it does perform better than all in my opinion, still hold the device in a tripod it will perform just as good even at night...
Yet Sony is the main camera provider for most of the other manufactures and yet sony devices have lower quality than all, just doesnt make any sense, here I ask my self this question:
Is sony doing this because they get more money from other manufactures buying their camera than costumers buying their phones? maybe they have a contract on which sony is not allowed to produce better images than its competitors otherwise they would stop buying cameras from them? - I actually read that some where...
@madshark2009 Just download AIDA64 from play store.. it reads the hardware spec of the display panel. it clear says the screen resolution is 2160*3840. i guess this answer your question. FYI - this is shown as this while you are running the phone even at stock 1080p mode. so calm down mate XD
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@madshark2009 Just download AIDA64 from play store.. it reads the hardware spec of the display panel. it clear says the screen resolution is 2160*3840. i guess this answer your question. FYI - this is shown as this while you are running the phone even at stock 1080p mode. so calm down mate XD
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Yah bro im calm i do believe its a 4k display.
But:
Its only used in a couple of apps.
And no, adb commands dont turn it to NATIVE 4K.
So yayyyy native 4k is only enabled in 3 apps.
Thats ok to you? They didnt even include an option for us!
Sony stricted using 4k at all times! Heck the display is even a 120hz display and its not even enabled! Aosp reads the screen as 120hz but no one knows how to activate it!
So yah we have 4k display but only used in 2-3 apps and not even in the UI! So yah to me they lied cuz i paid for 4k, not for "sometimes 4k" so really samsung has 2k but at least you can use google chrome in native 2k or instagram or the UI or any thing! Now thats some real 2k! And they add an option to lower!
So why sony stricting us? To me i concider their work not the best in these terms.
And btw read the comments before posting
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Yah bro im calm i do believe its a 4k display.
But:
Its only used in a couple of apps.
And no, adb commands dont turn it to NATIVE 4K.
So yayyyy native 4k is only enabled in 3 apps.
Thats ok to you? They didnt even include an option for us!
Sony stricted using 4k at all times! Heck the display is even a 120hz display and its not even enabled! Aosp reads the screen as 120hz but no one knows how to activate it!
So yah we have 4k display but only used in 2-3 apps and not even in the UI! So yah to me they lied cuz i paid for 4k, not for "sometimes 4k" so really samsung has 2k but at least you can use google chrome in native 2k or instagram or the UI or any thing! Now thats some real 2k! And they add an option to lower!
So why sony stricting us? To me i concider their work not the best in these terms.
And btw read the comments before posting
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now that i do agree with you my man.. but then again we have to think of it in multiple ways.. im pretty sure sony was scared of general performance issues and people will nag about it. all and all one pro member here pointed me out that there is a oreo asop rom which utilizes the panel and render the entire ui and apps in 4k ( its a dynamic resolution changer embedded with the kernal) . you should try that
i got my phone like a week ago... will run stock for a week or two more and will start taking the virginity away to try this.
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now that i do agree with you my man.. but then again we have to think of it in multiple ways.. im pretty sure sony was scared of general performance issues and people will nag about it. all and all one pro member here pointed me out that there is a oreo asop rom which utilizes the panel and render the entire ui and apps in 4k ( its a dynamic resolution changer embedded with the kernal) . you should try that
i got my phone like a week ago... will run stock for a week or two more and will start taking the virginity away to try this.
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yah but its still not functional as i read it needs more modification.
and true, it could make performance drop dramatically, but they should add that in options like a switch, and when you enable 4k, a message should appear and say "you may notice stutters and a drop in performance, please do not use for high graphics games to enjoy overall performance" or some thing like that, that way the customer can choose whether to give up on performance for graphics or give up on graphics for performance, I mean its really not that laggy when just surfing the device, and then you can just switch to 1080 when you game, I dont know why they wouldnt do that...
Im waiting for @Miustone he has a good project coming up and ill see the feedback on battery, camera, display and if its worth it then ima give up my warranty.
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Yah bro im calm i do believe its a 4k display.
But:
Its only used in a couple of apps.
And no, adb commands dont turn it to NATIVE 4K.
So yayyyy native 4k is only enabled in 3 apps.
Thats ok to you? They didnt even include an option for us!
Sony stricted using 4k at all times! Heck the display is even a 120hz display and its not even enabled! Aosp reads the screen as 120hz but no one knows how to activate it!
So yah we have 4k display but only used in 2-3 apps and not even in the UI! So yah to me they lied cuz i paid for 4k, not for "sometimes 4k" so really samsung has 2k but at least you can use google chrome in native 2k or instagram or the UI or any thing! Now thats some real 2k! And they add an option to lower!
So why sony stricting us? To me i concider their work not the best in these terms.
And btw read the comments before posting
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Thats great.. please do notify me when the project is done .. i want to be one of the first to test it as well.. cheers mate
madshark2009 said:
yah but its still not functional as i read it needs more modification.
and true, it could make performance drop dramatically, but they should add that in options like a switch, and when you enable 4k, a message should appear and say "you may notice stutters and a drop in performance, please do not use for high graphics games to enjoy overall performance" or some thing like that, that way the customer can choose whether to give up on performance for graphics or give up on graphics for performance, I mean its really not that laggy when just surfing the device, and then you can just switch to 1080 when you game, I dont know why they wouldnt do that...
Im waiting for @Miustone he has a good project coming up and ill see the feedback on battery, camera, display and if its worth it then ima give up my warranty.
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Pretty much all reviewers that are even somewhat relevant on Youtube outlined that the UI and most of the apps aren't really rendered in 4K.
I was aware of this information when the phone wasn't even released yet, some reviewers got their review samples early, and they noticed that right away, they probably got that info in the reviewer's guide Sony gives them as well, so I cannot imagine how you managed to avoid this very important piece of spec, if you've done the research before purchase, as you said. I haven't seen an XZP review that didn't mention that. If there is one, it's a bad one.
I don't know about you guys, but I don't even consider buying the latest model in the first four to six months of the release, until the dust settles and user reviews come out. I'm not paying that kind of money to be an early adopter. Also, in six months, the prices go down a lot, specially with Sony.
So, my somewhat-informed opinion is that no, Sony did not lie about the screen. Sure, it wasn't specified in the spec-sheet, but still, it was a well documented "feature" upon the release.
And the fact that it's a 120Hz panel, means nothing and doesn't necessarily mean you can run it at actual 120Hz. You might, but it's not a guarantee. Its' just the panel.
I bet you plenty of premium phones out there have panels that are capable of 120Hz, or even more, but to actually enable that and make it work as it's supposed to is not that simple and I'm sure if Sony could pull that off, they would. Because bigger numbers in spec sheets sell phones, bigger numbers are better. Always. Specially in spec sheets.
I know for a fact that my desktop monitor's panel is capable of 100HZ at least, 'cause I have the same panel in my other monitor that runs at 120Hz. But everything else apart from the panel is very very different in those two monitors. Panel alone doesn't make a screen/monitor.
Atrax2010 said:
Pretty much all reviewers that are even somewhat relevant on Youtube outlined that the UI and most of the apps aren't really rendered in 4K.
I was aware of this information when the phone wasn't even released yet, some reviewers got their review samples early, and they noticed that right away, they probably got that info in the reviewer's guide Sony gives them as well, so I cannot imagine how you managed to avoid this very important piece of spec, if you've done the research before purchase, as you said. I haven't seen an XZP review that didn't mention that. If there is one, it's a bad one.
I don't know about you guys, but I don't even consider buying the latest model in the first four to six months of the release, until the dust settles and user reviews come out. I'm not paying that kind of money to be an early adopter. Also, in six months, the prices go down a lot, specially with Sony.
So, my somewhat-informed opinion is that no, Sony did not lie about the screen. Sure, it wasn't specified in the spec-sheet, but still, it was a well documented "feature" upon the release.
And the fact that it's a 120Hz panel, means nothing and doesn't necessarily mean you can run it at actual 120Hz. You might, but it's not a guarantee. Its' just the panel.
I bet you plenty of premium phones out there have panels that are capable of 120Hz, or even more, but to actually enable that and make it work as it's supposed to is not that simple and I'm sure if Sony could pull that off, they would. Because bigger numbers in spec sheets sell phones, bigger numbers are better. Always. Specially in spec sheets.
I know for a fact that my desktop monitor's panel is capable of 100HZ at least, 'cause I have the same panel in my other monitor that runs at 120Hz. But everything else apart from the panel is very very different in those two monitors. Panel alone doesn't make a screen/monitor.
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yes i have done my research, but only after a long period was it discovered that the ADB commands only run it in 4k VIRTUALLY which I didnt think it would be that way (and a lot of others still dont even know what virtual is)
i thought it was native, some thing that makes our device more special than others.
ive seen lots of reviews where they claim this mod is actually 4k because SONY said so, but its not native, so its a lie.
ask in sony forums how to enable 4k at all times, they give you this method and its not even native and they are telling customers its real 4k. you tell me thats not a lie?
I dont care how virtual 4k looks like, I could have bought the samsung having native 2k. I could have bought the HTC or the iphone, I could have even stayed on my previous phone and used the commands and run it at 2k/4k, whats the point of paying extra if you only get native support of 4k for a couple of apps? I actually thought only the XZ premium is 4k so when I had my z5 compact with a broken screen I was like "hey why spend much money on fixing? looks like the new phones are all coming 2k/4k why stick to 720p??" so i bought the xz premium cuz I felt like im oldschool I wanted an upgrade, but if i knew this method works on my z5c I wouldnt have thought of buying a new phone I could have just paid 50$ and got it fixed.