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Camera Fix for the HD

I searched for a camera fix for the HD camera with no success. Does anyone know if there's going to be a fix in the near future? I'm sure that ya'll have the same problem that I do. Camera takes pictures that look old & rustic. Brownish tint to them & not very sharp for a 5 MP camera. I have adjusted all the settings for light & junk but nothing fixes it. As far as I'm concerned, it should take pictures IDENTICAL to a normal 5 MP digital camera. I can promise you that it's not doing that. Any help would be great, thanks in advance.

Vampire2800 said:
I searched for a camera fix for the HD camera with no success. Does anyone know if there's going to be a fix in the near future? I'm sure that ya'll have the same problem that I do. Camera takes pictures that look old & rustic. Brownish tint to them & not very sharp for a 5 MP camera. I have adjusted all the settings for light & junk but nothing fixes it. As far as I'm concerned, it should take pictures IDENTICAL to a normal 5 MP digital camera. I can promise you that it's not doing that. Any help would be great, thanks in advance.
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Why should it take pictures identical to a 5MP camera. The lens on the front is going to be vastly different, the sensor maybe 5MP, but what is the spacing on the sensor pixels? The closer together, the noisier the image. Colour balance will be down to the sensor too.
Regards

I'm not talking about the front camera. The normal camera on the back. I understand about the pixel thing, but it still shouldn't be so brownish, right? The pictures look like an old Polaroid picture. You know, the one's that spit the picture out as soon as you took it. Old, brown & nasty looking.

My pictures come out fine...

Hmmmmmmm...................... I'll just keep playing with it.

Vampire2800 said:
I'm not talking about the front camera. The normal camera on the back. I understand about the pixel thing, but it still shouldn't be so brownish, right? The pictures look like an old Polaroid picture. You know, the one's that spit the picture out as soon as you took it. Old, brown & nasty looking.
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I'm not being flippant, but is it possible you might have a dirty lens?

Lol, that was the first thing I tried. Cleaned both sides of the back cover & cleaned the lens on the camera. Good idea, though.

The "5mp" doesn't really mean much, as stated earlier, if the sensor and lens are poor quality. As far as I know, HTC haven't released a phone with a reasonable quality camera, yet.
I bounce between different smart-phones (just coming back to WM now, after a year with S60). I can say that many of the S60 devices (in particular the Nokia N95, but also the N82 with Xenon flash) have very good cameras, being similar to low-end digital cameras in daylight. They lack optical zoom and tend to over-compress images, but have good quality lenses.

imho hd camera is excelent
pictures look old & rustic only if you make them inside house without using the artificial light setting, and this is also a general rule, not specific to HD.

Never seen a good phone camera yet, including the latest 8mpixel ones. They're all terrible.

Never
This camera will NEVER take pictures anywhere near what real cameras do. The photo sites are so tiny, they are smaller then the length of waive of light. Therefore noise, lack of dynamic width, etc. No patch will ever fix that. Sorry

open back cover , clean the lens , you will see a huge difference in quality

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Lol, that was the first thing I tried. Cleaned both sides of the back cover & cleaned the lens on the camera. Good idea, though.
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Not that I'm doubting you or anything but you do realize that the back cover only has a hole through to the lens?
You might try setting the brightness higher:
If you touch the small rectangle near the bottom right side of the screen (when holding landscape)
Then select the gear symbol, then select brightness from the menu and hit the "+" until it looks better that will remove most of the darkness.

The camera is a plain disappointment. In the time the camera autofocusses, I could have bought a Sony Ericsson C905's, create a good looking photo (with xenon flash) and upload it to imageshack.
If 'your object' makes the slightest move, your photo will be blurry . This is also the case when you attempt to make a photo of someone that isn't aware he or she has to be waiting for the autofocus lag. Head moves >>> blurry pic.
iPhone camera shots are way better quality, don't ask me why. Overall my Touch HD scores 8/10, where atleast 1 full point is taken up by the camera

and it's better don't speak about the very laggy video recording

mach03 said:
iPhone camera shots are way better quality, don't ask me why.
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Too many megapixels on a tiny sensor = major noise problem = blurring from denoise.
Even 2mpixels is too much for sensors this size, but people buy on marketing numbers of megapixels, not quality. You can just imagine the whining that would occur if the Touch HD came out with 1.3mpxiels, even though it would produce better pictures.

arfster said:
Too many megapixels on a tiny sensor = major noise problem = blurring from denoise.
Even 2mpixels is too much for sensors this size, but people buy on marketing numbers of megapixels, not quality. You can just imagine the whining that would occur if the Touch HD came out with 1.3mpxiels, even though it would produce better pictures.
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hehe, thats true.
mpixels dont count as much as the general public belives. the more mpix. the higher rezolution you can print the picture in. but for ordinary photos, 1.3 mpix would be enough, as long as the optics is good.

Personally, I rarely use a phone camera.
I use either my Olympus 720SW or Canon EOS.
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the camera sucks **** compared to the n95 and the video recording is horrid. i know it's not meant to be as good as a dedicated camera but this is pretty bad given the price of the device.
i concur with mach03, move the camera a slight bit and eveyrthing gets blurred. one way i've semi gotten aorund this is to unlock the burst functiona nd take a sequence of pics and hope one or two coems out alright, not the most economic way to do it though...
i would ahve thought that maybe there's a way to tweak the camera to stop the blurring or even affect how much light is picked up by the lens which should also help with clarity

Vampire2800 said:
I'm not talking about the front camera. The normal camera on the back. I understand about the pixel thing, but it still shouldn't be so brownish, right? The pictures look like an old Polaroid picture. You know, the one's that spit the picture out as soon as you took it. Old, brown & nasty looking.
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A silly idea, but seriously, did you check if maybe, just maybe, you left the "sepia" effect turned on???

Noise in pictures

I'm wanting to find out if the noise in some of the photos i've taken is normal for the HD2
I expect noise in a camera like this, it's just the nature of having such a small high mega pixel count sensor, I just wanted to find out if what im experiencing is normal. I've got a week left on my 14 days and would like to exchange it if it's not normal
This is probably the worst of them all that I did lastnight
http://twitpic.com/1cs2cl/full Look at the banding noise at the bottom of the frame.
http://twitpic.com/1cs4lj/full This one has some too, but not as bad as the other
http://twitpic.com/1cs50y/full This one looks like it may be a optics problem, look at the red halo around the sykes sign. the 1st time i took the pic i though maybe there was a smudge on the lens so i wiped it and still had the same result

Perfectly normal.
You're taking pictures at night and even standalone digital cameras would struggle to take a decent picture in those conditions.
The Camera will be ramping up the ISO which increases the noise anyway (and as you pointed out coupled to a small sensor just isnt great), the only way to take a decent picture with noise that isnt noticable is to use a tripod, a very small aperture and a very long shutter.
This, being a phone, doesn't have the luxury of that kind of control.
Just take pictures during the day and they are decent enough.

i get it too, including the exceptionally bright flash that usually washes out most photos, just have to live with it im afraid, or fiddle with camera settings, see what happens, but you'd have to constantly change them between night and day....

Thanks, Yeah i expected the noise in pics from the phone. Just the banding was concerning me a little bit.
It actually does pretty good at night in certain situations, there are more pics on my twitpic account from last night that came out ok, very little noise, though a bit more blur. im guessing it probably picked a lower ISO for those.
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Just take pictures during the day and they are decent enough.
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I have to agree, the camera on the HD2 is outstanding in the daylight, nearly rivals the Sony T33 that ive carried around for a long time for quick snapshots. I just wish they could put a small optical zoom on the camera, even something as small as the 3x optical zoom im used to the with T33. im sure that's asking a bit much with the space constraints within a phone. Im still happy none the less.
The camera in my old Wizard was worthless, i barely ever used it. It was passable outside on a bright day, useless under normal indoor lighting conditions or darker.
Found myself in several situations where i wanted to take a pic but didn't have the T33 on me. HD2 = problem solved =)

I just noticed that there is a TMO USA HD2 specific forum. Since this is about a TMO USA HD2 could one of the mods move this thread over there? Like to see what kind of response i get from other USA version users

IPhone5s vs Droid Turbo Camera: Just the facts.

Besides my Turbo I also have a company provided IPhone5s so I decided to do a real world side by side comparison. Here is the setting: my truck is parked about 250' away from stop sign, I held each phone with both hands resting on the steering wheel. Both phones have all settings on AUTO the crossroad has a speed limit of 50 mph and no stoplights nearby so I am fairly certain the vehicles crossing in front of me are doing no less than 50 mph. My purpose is to catch the vehicles as close to the center of intersection as I possibly can, I took the Turbo pictures first and made every possible effort to capture the best picture possible with both phones. Observation: the shutter SOUND on the Iphone was instant, shutter SOUND on Turbo had an estimated full second delay. Look at the pictures and draw your own conclusions.

smokie11 said:
Besides my Turbo I also have a company provided IPhone5s so I decided to do a real world side by side comparison. Here is the setting: my truck is parked about 250' away from stop sign, I held each phone with both hands resting on the steering wheel. Both phones have all settings on AUTO the crossroad has a speed limit of 50 mph and no stoplights nearby so I am fairly certain the vehicles crossing in front of me are doing no less than 50 mph. My purpose is to catch the vehicles as close to the center of intersection as I possibly can, I took the Turbo pictures first and made every possible effort to capture the best picture possible with both phones. Observation: the shutter SOUND on the Iphone was instant, shutter SOUND on Turbo had an estimated full second delay. Look at the pictures and draw your own conclusions.
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So while the shutter sound was delayed, it did not matter?
The Droid got the job done while the iPhone did not.

Which pics are which?

aviwdoowks said:
So while the shutter sound was delayed, it did not matter?
The Droid got the job done while the iPhone did not.
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The Turbo has what looks like a simulated gray shutter closing when you take picture, when that happened the picture was captured, the sound followed the visual cue.

wadamean said:
Which pics are which?
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The first 3 are the Turbo, the last 3 Iphone, if you hold the mouse over the pictures it identifies them, they can also be enlarged.

Ummm... Congrats?

It seems like you had HDR on with the Turbo

zed011 said:
It seems like you had HDR on with the Turbo
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He used default settings.
HDR on auto is one of them.

I have read here and other places what a dreadful camera the Turbo has, specially the inability to focus on moving objects and how slow it was to capture an image. I didn't want to dismiss the many stated comments about how awful the camera is. I also did not want to just simply say how I feel about the camera, to me it's a great camera for a phone. I did a heads up comparison between a camera praised often for being superior to the Turbo's and the Turbo camera consistently focused clearly on a fast moving object, the IPhone failed to catch a single vehicle in the focal area. I don't expect to sway the one's that hate the camera one bit, I simply presented evidence, proof of what the Turbo camera CAN do; not an opinion. WE all like here to look at pictures to prove a point... I gave you pictures.

iPhone is sharper

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iPhone is sharper
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Yeah that missing detail is really crisp.
Its so sharp I cannot see the cars!

I like the camera on the turbo, can't understand how anyone could argue the results of your test

Steve One said:
I like the camera on the turbo, can't understand how anyone could argue the results of your test
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Steve I did my best to present visual evidence and leave my own personal opinion out as best I could, I didn't know what the outcome would be and I would have presented results even if the Turbo had crapped out. I wanted to address focus and shutter speed on moving objects. The following IS an opinion: the camera is only as good as the hands holding it, even the world's best camera can take a bad picture in the wrong hands. The pictures the IPhone took were considerably darker than actual surroundings, the sky was NOT the darker blue in the picture and of course the obvious: no vehicles are present in the IPhone pictures, if you look hard enough to the right in one picture you will see the car I was trying to capture.

If you have a ceiling fan in your house or office, do the same test on the fan, well lit, low speed.
I've been doing that with the DT and whatever other phones I can lay hands on, none of them that
are built into a phone do very well. My observations that given some light and distance, the DT can
do OK with movement, but lack of light and/or up close action it's lacking. It isn't an accident that they
are putting dual flashes and ring flashes and such on cameras, the $2 sensor and lack of lens is really hurting.

wolf_walker69 said:
If you have a ceiling fan in your house or office, do the same test on the fan, well lit, low speed.
I've been doing that with the DT and whatever other phones I can lay hands on, none of them that
are built into a phone do very well. My observations that given some light and distance, the DT can
do OK with movement, but lack of light and/or up close action it's lacking. It isn't an accident that they
are putting dual flashes and ring flashes and such on cameras, the $2 sensor and lack of lens is really hurting.
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You realize its the same camera that the Z3 has, right?
For a phone camera, it is pretty good. As for the ceiling fan, that is a rather silly test considering typical shots a phone will take arent that fast. Everyone can agree that there are a few aoftware quips that need to be fixed, but lets stop moving goal posts when someone defies a complaint, yeah? It's never going to be as fast as a DSLR or even a point and shoot.

I don't care if it's Genghis Khan's own Point-N-Shoot, it's deficient in a number of areas.
Like anything moving that isn't 20 yards away or in direct sunlight, or a christmas tree.
Nor am I alone. And that fake DSLR soft focus BS isn't fooling me either.
When conditions are favorable to the DT's camera strengths, it takes very nice photos, better
than my S4 for example, the rub is the S4 took better photos most of the time because it's
range of acceptable conditions was wider. There are a hoard of people with kids and dogs
which are frequently in motion that are not pleased with the basically useless camera in those
situations.
http://forums.androidcentral.com/mo...droid-turbo-photos-auto-focus-blurry-why.html

wolf_walker69 said:
I don't care if it's Genghis Khan's own Point-N-Shoot, it's deficient in a number of areas.
Like anything moving that isn't 20 yards away or in direct sunlight, or a christmas tree.
Nor am I alone. And that fake DSLR soft focus BS isn't fooling me either.
When conditions are favorable to the DT's camera strengths, it takes very nice photos, better
than my S4 for example, the rub is the S4 took better photos most of the time because it's
range of acceptable conditions was wider. There are a hoard of people with kids and dogs
which are frequently in motion that are not pleased with the basically useless camera in those
situations.
http://forums.androidcentral.com/mo...droid-turbo-photos-auto-focus-blurry-why.html
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Here are some pictures of my baby girl, she posed in one; all the others she was moving and yes I can take a bad picture I'm man enough to admit it. I just think "basically useless" is a bit harsh. Merry Christmas.

Great looking dog! Your pics perfectly illustrate the performance I've observed, well lit, white background to reflect available light, mostly static subject, GREAT pics.
That last one with the blurry head, typical for less than great light or up close movement.

wolf_walker69 said:
I don't care if it's Genghis Khan's own Point-N-Shoot, it's deficient in a number of areas.
Like anything moving that isn't 20 yards away or in direct sunlight, or a christmas tree.
Nor am I alone. And that fake DSLR soft focus BS isn't fooling me either.
When conditions are favorable to the DT's camera strengths, it takes very nice photos, better
than my S4 for example, the rub is the S4 took better photos most of the time because it's
range of acceptable conditions was wider. There are a hoard of people with kids and dogs
which are frequently in motion that are not pleased with the basically useless camera in those
situations.
http://forums.androidcentral.com/mo...droid-turbo-photos-auto-focus-blurry-why.html
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the grass is always greener.. if you read through some of those post you will come to the one where the guy with the Note 4 says he has similar results with what everyone praises as the one of the best cameras.. My DT could take some crappy shots as well as some amazing ones, and so can my wife's iPhone 5s.. I agree with an earlier comment.. I would say the overwhelming factor in getting good pics from any phone... is the user..
I now have the N6 and the story is the same.. some pics are trash some are great.., i take pics with that knowledge therefore I don't get as disappointed as I used to.

lazarus2297 said:
the grass is always greener.. if you read through some of those post you will come to the one where the guy with the Note 4 says he has similar results with what everyone praises as the one of the best cameras.. My DT could take some crappy shots as well as some amazing ones, and so can my wife's iPhone 5s.. I agree with an earlier comment.. I would say the overwhelming factor in getting good pics from any phone... is the user..
I now have the N6 and the story is the same.. some pics are trash some are great.., i take pics with that knowledge therefore I don't get as disappointed as I used to.
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I think that the camera operator has much to do with the quality of pictures that come of the camera phone itself. This applies to non-phone cameras too.

Moto G7 worse the G6 phones?

I have some concerns about the new Motorola G7 phones particularly:
Screen - The screen tends to have a blue/cool tinge, the overall display calibration is "off".
Camera - Colours can be washed-out, zoom has many artifacts & noise and poor dynamic range at night. Stabilization needs a lot of work (for both front & back) and overall sharpness/detail/colour could be better.
Does this mean the actual lens is of inferior make & quality?
Will a GCam port be enough to compensate for the otherwise poor camera image quality?
Need help. Thank you.

Unlike G6 and Z3 Play, you cannot change the color temperature.
However, you can install CF Lumen if yours rooted.
I did it on both G6 (compensate green) and G7 to keep the color temperature consistent.

gino_76ph said:
I have some concerns about the new Motorola G7 phones particularly:
Screen - The screen tends to have a blue/cool tinge, the overall display calibration is "off".
Camera - Colours can be washed-out, zoom has many artifacts & noise and poor dynamic range at night. Stabilization needs a lot of work (for both front & back) and overall sharpness/detail/colour could be better.
Does this mean the actual lens is of inferior make & quality?
Will a GCam port be enough to compensate for the otherwise poor camera image quality?
Need help. Thank you.
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For the screen, I usually use night light. Corrects it easily
I know our maintainer is working on a gcam port last I knew. If you have twrp you can always flash gapps with gcam
But to answer the thread title: no its not worse with more RAM, more storage, better SoC, etc than the g6

gino_76ph said:
I have some concerns about the new Motorola G7 phones particularly:
Screen - The screen tends to have a blue/cool tinge, the overall display calibration is "off".
Camera - Colours can be washed-out, zoom has many artifacts & noise and poor dynamic range at night. Stabilization needs a lot of work (for both front & back) and overall sharpness/detail/colour could be better.
Does this mean the actual lens is of inferior make & quality?
Will a GCam port be enough to compensate for the otherwise poor camera image quality?
Need help. Thank you.
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I haven't noticed where the screen seems to be blue, mine looks fine to me and other colors seem just fine.
As far as zoom goes this device does not have optical zoom, so of course it's going to be bad. May as well take picture normal then crop, it achieves the same thing. I think stabilization is amazing, definitely a lot better than the G6.
I use the Google Camera port and it definitely takes good pictures but I haven't noticed and differences between them. Night sight is amazing too.

Bluemgt06 said:
I haven't noticed where the screen seems to be blue, mine looks fine to me and other colors seem just fine.
As far as zoom goes this device does not have optical zoom, so of course it's going to be bad. May as well take picture normal then crop, it achieves the same thing. I think stabilization is amazing, definitely a lot better than the G6.
I use the Google Camera port and it definitely takes good pictures but I haven't noticed and differences between them. Night sight is amazing too.
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I have a replacement screen and the video looks fabulous over my g4. That died. Get a case or you're going to be looking on eBay for a picture of the exact same ribbon cable printing for about 29 bucks. If the photo doesn't show same printing on the black, don't get it! Real on left, not gorilla glass 3 on the right. I used silicone on the very edges instead of getting that 3M stuff because this model of phone uses the REALLY thin stuff. Did my pic upload?

Absolutely NOT! I feel as though the G7 is USA's G7 Plus with those specs. Lenovo really screwed up not bringing the G6+ to the USA last year. My OG Pixel was trashed (throwing it at a concrete wall) and my closest option to purchase an Unlocked Device was at Walmart. All the devices they had on display were last years models and the very non-knowledgeable sales Rep didnt know what was in stock, so i said forget the display models and lets head over to the storage box and see what there is to choose from. When he opened the box, a bright light shined over and they're were about 8 G7s (non of which was on display). "Oh we cant sell them yet" WTF??? Go I got stuck taking a G6, but I was NOT a happy customer. Contacted Walmart Customer Support and 2 days later i returned the G6 for my awesome Moto G7.

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I have a replacement screen and the video looks fabulous over my g4. That died. Get a case or you're going to be looking on eBay for a picture of the exact same ribbon cable printing for about 29 bucks. If the photo doesn't show same printing on the black, don't get it! Real on left, not gorilla glass 3 on the right. I used silicone on the very edges instead of getting that 3M stuff because this model of phone uses the REALLY thin stuff. Did my pic upload?
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I do repairs so I see complaints about color accuracy on devices all the time, but you can take devices straight out of the box and there will be variations because there is an acceptable tolerance otherwise they'd be throwing out so many screens. The ones that tend to get the most complaints are the ones at the edge of the tolerance.
3m tape is awful for screen replacement, we use the black Tessa tape, it's super sticky and doesn't like to let go.
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Selfie quality

You're beautiful and everyone knows it. That's why you take selfies. Rate this thread to express how the front-facing camera of the Samsung Galaxy S20 FE performs. A higher rating indicates that the front camera produces fantastic results consistently.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Ugh, front camera is so soft.
Seems like there is a beauty filter on it, and I cant find a way to make it sharper.

coolmaster121 said:
Ugh, front camera is so soft.
Seems like there is a beauty filter on it, and I cant find a way to make it sharper.
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When you're taking a selfie look to the top right out the Wand like icon. If it is yellow then there is a filter on.

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When you're taking a selfie look to the top right out the Wand like icon. If it is yellow then there is a filter on.
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Yea, i turned that off, still looks too smooth, or smoother than on say my wifes pixel 3a

Front camera is pretty poor. No details, it's all smudged together.

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Front camera is pretty poor. No details, it's all smudged together.
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Agree with this....it's so fuzzy and grainy looking. Coming from a Pixel 3 here...

Coming from a S9 that had a naked front screen, I feel the front camera is at least as good in sharpness. I have a TG screen protector on this phone with no punch hole too. I don't do a lot of looking at me on my phone. I don't video call. The front camera is mostly a mirror for me when I have to check my beard stubble at 4 p.m. before a meeting or something.

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Coming from a S9 that had a naked front screen, I feel the front camera is at least as good in sharpness. I have a TG screen protector on this phone with no punch hole too. I don't do a lot of looking at me on my phone. I don't video call. The front camera is mostly a mirror for me when I have to check my beard stubble at 4 p.m. before a meeting or something.
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Nice! not even kidding!

I'm coming from the oneplus 7t and i can agree that the front camera is pretty ****ty. Like worse than the 7t and oneplus is known for it's bad cameras. Hopefully a software update can fix that.

It takes selfies as if they were taken with a 2MP camera. And worse, it doesn't have autofocus.

For now (until One UI 3 comes out) the only solution for good quality selfie is GCam. This clearly shows that hardware is capable and software is ****. Photos taken with GCam are full of detail, no fake smoothing and great exposure.
Same goes with front facing camera. If taking portrait shots use Gcam.

Also under OneUI 3.0 the front cam + Samsung standard photoapp pics is not more than shi**y. I tried all
different setups, sunlight, lamps,...still bad.
Otherwise the newest GCAM produces sharp, crispy, colorful front cam pics.