Ok, I am confused. I am new to the whole Acer Iconia A500 and such and so far, I am happy with my refurbished purchase having installed Taboonay 2.2. However, I keep seeing this name of Thor around the forums here and having this individual bashed for things. I have some questions...
1. Why is his releases not allowed to be linked to XDA?
2. Why is it that I see in posts and comments that his ROM is considered Warez? or better yet, what makes his ROM to be considered Warez?
If those can be answered, I should have a better understanding about this fellow.
ThanX in advance!
There are a bunch of threads about this. Do a little research and u could find an explanation better than I can give u.
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XaviorPenguin said:
Ok, I am confused. I am new to the whole Acer Iconia A500 and such and so far, I am happy with my refurbished purchase having installed Taboonay 2.2. However, I keep seeing this name of Thor around the forums here and having this individual bashed for things. I have some questions...
1. Why is his releases not allowed to be linked to XDA?
2. Why is it that I see in posts and comments that his ROM is considered Warez? or better yet, what makes his ROM to be considered Warez?
If those can be answered, I should have a better understanding about this fellow.
ThanX in advance!
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Short story is he's in direct violation of the GPL (he refuses to publish his source code for his kernel).
If you've got nothing to hide, then why bother hiding it?!?
I'm running his rom and it is the best rom I have used! But everyone has a right to their opinion. Also has anyone kindly asked him to? Or why he won't? Anyways, I still like his work.
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gmfeny said:
There are a bunch of threads about this. Do a little research and u could find an explanation better than I can give u.
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I would rather be flamed with the links, if you are going to comment.
I searched and even asked a mod. I am glad OP posted this one. Now I know.
I have been running Thor's ROM and Kernal and have had ZERO count them ZERO issues. Everything runs smooth. Battery life is awesome. no complaints and as far as I can tell, I have no need to update. Maybe if ICS comes but this is pretty damn perfect.
It's a pretty simple matter from what I understand.
Everything on XDA must be GPL. This means you must share the source code for all of the work that you do. This makes sense because your constantly building on others efforts, and should give credit where it is do. Also being built on linux means the very foundations of android are GPL.
In this case, Thor did not publish the source code to his kernel. For that reason, it (and his roms which use it) cannot be put on XDA.
It's considered 'warez' because he is breaking the license agreement of the kernel (the GPL). Any software which violates a license agreement is illegal, and thus, warez.
Why he did not give the source for his kernel, I do not know. It is not, however, an issue of whether his software performs well or not. For this reason, many choose to run his roms anyways.
The interesting thing is, cwm uses thor's kernel and they haven't banned it since we have no alternative at this time. I did see someone in the development section is working on a gpl compliant recovery. The nice thing is, it is very easy to visit thor's site and download what you need.
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I'm running his rom and it is the best rom I have used! But everyone has a right to their opinion. Also has anyone kindly asked him to? Or why he won't? Anyways, I still like his work.
~Sent from my Droid SuperCharge~
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Turboboxer said:
I would rather be flamed with the links, if you are going to comment.
I searched and even asked a mod. I am glad OP posted this one. Now I know.
I have been running Thor's ROM and Kernal and have had ZERO count them ZERO issues. Everything runs smooth. Battery life is awesome. no complaints and as far as I can tell, I have no need to update. Maybe if ICS comes but this is pretty damn perfect.
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No one has said he does bad work.
Do you know what information your OS is sending out, possibly to Thor himself?
Quick answer....h3ll no!
Why? Because he refuses to release his source code which is in direct violation of the GPL which everyone else (at least here at XDA does).
And that's the only reason I won't allow his work to touch my tab.
The alternate CWM posted in the dev section is good enough to flash with, which is all I need (never do backups), so at least I know what my ROM is doing, and I KNOW you both CAN'T say the same about your tabs. Not flaming, just pointing out something most people aren't aware of.
Icy Faux FTW!
I liked Thor's ROM but why load a ROM with parts not working? Both auto brightness and hardware screen lock don't work. When other ROMs have it working and seem to run just as well (again, Honeylicious FTW), why bother with it? I do, however, run his Kernel.
My 2 cents....
kjy2010 said:
No one has said he does bad work.
Do you know what information your OS is sending out, possibly to Thor himself?
Quick answer....h3ll no!
Why? Because he refuses to release his source code which is in direct violation of the GPL which everyone else (at least here at XDA does).
And that's the only reason I won't allow his work to touch my tab.
The alternate CWM posted in the dev section is good enough to flash with, which is all I need (never do backups), so at least I know what my ROM is doing, and I KNOW you both CAN'T say the same about your tabs. Not flaming, just pointing out something most people aren't aware of.
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Paranoid much?
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Paranoid much?
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If you've got nothing to hide, why hide it j/o?
dman918 said:
Icy Faux FTW!
I liked Thor's ROM but why load a ROM with parts not working? Both auto brightness and hardware screen lock don't work. When other ROMs have it working and seem to run just as well (again, Honeylicious FTW), why bother with it? I do, however, run his Kernel.
My 2 cents....
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I gave up those useless features for hide status bar and Thor parts add ons. Not a fan of Honeylicious, no offense kjy.
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Rock on! Glad to know exactly why. I did do some research and tried to find a definite answer but couldn't find an exact one as bluntly as my questions were.
So, to all who answered my questions, THANK YOU! I appreciate it.
Mad props to all of y'all for definitely being smarter than I.
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Everything on XDA must be GPL. This means you must share the source code for all of the work that you do. This makes sense because your constantly building on others efforts, and should give credit where it is do. Also being built on linux means the very foundations of android are GPL.
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This part is not completely true.
Only code that is licensed under the GPL, such as kernel code, must be shared. Code from other licenses like Apache (which covers the userspace of Android), are not required to be shared and so don't have to be.
So basically, Thor doesn't have to release source for his ROM's, but he DOES for his kernel. He's been asked to several times but flatly refuses and the only reason ever give is that people steal his work, which is nonesense as it's not his work to start with.
Reading this thread is making me paranoid.
I have installed several different ROMs on my new A500. I keep going back to Thor's 14.2 ROM. For what I want out of my tablet, it is my favorite. He does great work.
Any reason to think Thor is trustworthy or untrustworthy? I am considering abandoning the Thor 14.2 ROM because blatantly violating the GPL agreement just isn't cool and having concerns about what he may or may not be doing in the background kinda sucks.
There is no real reason to suspect Thor is doing anything untoward in his ROM. It's possible he is, but it's equally possible he isn't. The main objection is the blatant disregard he shows to the thousands of developers who's work he is stealing.
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The main objection is the blatant disregard he shows to the thousands of developers whose work he is stealing.
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No, sorry, I have nothing better to contribute right now, I just thought Floatie needs some attention.
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Any reason to think Thor is trustworthy or untrustworthy?
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Well, ignoring GPL license and just ripping off the work of others does show some questionable personality traits, but other than that I don't see any reason to suspect he'd actually be spying on people. Of course, there's no saying he won't start doing it sometime in the future if he's offered enough "incentive" to do so.
blancocar said:
Reading this thread is making me paranoid.
I have installed several different ROMs on my new A500. I keep going back to Thor's 14.2 ROM. For what I want out of my tablet, it is my favorite. He does great work.
Any reason to think Thor is trustworthy or untrustworthy? I am considering abandoning the Thor 14.2 ROM because blatantly violating the GPL agreement just isn't cool and having concerns about what he may or may not be doing in the background kinda sucks.
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The problem is that without him publishing his source code, you'll never know what he's doing.
Not saying he is, or isn't doing anything in the background. Thanks to the GPL most of the major phone carriers were caught using Carrier IQ (Google that if you'd like a real scare), and without Thor's source code, you'll never know without him publishing his source.
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No, sorry, I have nothing better to contribute right now, I just thought Floatie needs some attention.
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Well, ignoring GPL license and just ripping off the work of others does show some questionable personality traits, but other than that I don't see any reason to suspect he'd actually be spying on people. Of course, there's no saying he won't start doing it sometime in the future if he's offered enough "incentive" to do so.
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+999,999,999
Floatie.. HOW CUTE
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You gotta love xda...
he is not the only cutie on here . Just saying..
I think thor is only hiding the fact that the work is not really his... But feels Bigger then others .. so he hides ... but who knows for sure..
I do know that devs come up with some awesome feature to put in their roms, this happened on the sgs2 forum with the Rarity rom. The dev shared his idea and the next thing was 1 or 2 new roms incorporating what he wanted to do but hadn't finished yet.
I know this is done in the spirit of sharing and to benefit the community but when things you are working hard to do are essentially copied and take away your moment of triumph, the fact you can say "I did this first", then it does get frustrating.... We lost a kickass dev over that...
Thor maybe up to no good or he may have a few things he wants to improve on before releasing to the community, only time will tell, and you may never know....
Hello!
As you can probably see, I'm pretty new here at XDA, and I created this account because I own an Honor 8 and the hardware is awesome, but I can't stand EMUI.
I have seen some posts talking about the development for this device, and I just wanted to offer my help to speed up the development of these custom ROMS. I know quite a bit about computer science and related, but I'm new to the world of mobile phone development.
So, as I said, if any developer needs any help or can give me some directions, I'll be more than glad to help.
Have a nice day:good:
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Hello!
As you can probably see, I'm pretty new here at XDA, and I created this account because I own an Honor 8 and the hardware is awesome, but I can't stand EMUI.
I have seen some posts talking about the development for this device, and I just wanted to offer my help to speed up the development of these custom ROMS. I know quite a bit about computer science and related, but I'm new to the world of mobile phone development.
So, as I said, if any developer needs any help or can give me some directions, I'll be more than glad to help.
Have a nice day:good:
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Hi, it depends on what kind of development are you interested in. There's a big difference between tweaking a kernel and modifying EMUI. Either way, you might be interested in the Honor Hub.
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Hi, it depends on what kind of development are you interested in. There's a big difference between tweaking a kernel and modifying EMUI. Either way, you might be interested in the Honor Hub.
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Thanks for the response. I will check it. I have worked compiling linux kernels before, so I think it will be a good start!
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Hi, it depends on what kind of development are you interested in. There's a big difference between tweaking a kernel and modifying EMUI. Either way, you might be interested in the Honor Hub.
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Anyway I can help?!
I have finally built it after trying different things, I fixed the problem myself. After receiving a whole lot of flak on my thread (that I intended to have this build already uploaded to) I have decided to ask if anyone wants me to create a thread for my sub-weekly builds. I will be building them as quickly as I feel they should be made (if errors happen) or weekly. Hope you guys are a little kinder this time to me. Or I might just stop replying to those comments. Anyways, let me know soon. Otherwise I'll take it as a no and just build it for myself.:good:
I am looking forward to it
Pls Share the Build.
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I have finally built it after trying different things, I fixed the problem myself. After receiving a whole lot of flak on my thread (that I intended to have this build already uploaded to) I have decided to ask if anyone wants me to create a thread for my sub-weekly builds. I will be building them as quickly as I feel they should be made (if errors happen) or weekly. Hope you guys are a little kinder this time to me. Or I might just stop replying to those comments. Anyways, let me know soon. Otherwise I'll take it as a no and just build it for myself.:good:
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This community is for sharing.You're more than welcome to share stuff that you feel worthy.
Though what you did the other day was incorrect,you'll get to know that yourself if you have a look at XDA rules.Just follow the rules and remember what is appropriate and what is not appropriate.
BTW,did you fixed the proximity sensor and random app crashes issue?
Please share. I've no idea what mistake you made and I really don't care too.
Mr.Ak said:
This community is for sharing.You're more than welcome to share stuff that you feel worthy.
Though what you did the other day was incorrect,you'll get to know that yourself if you have a look at XDA rules.Just follow the rules and remember what is appropriate and what is not appropriate.
BTW,did you fixed the proximity sensor and random app crashes issue?
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I understand that about the rules and respect that and I admit I did not look at the rules regarding that, and I apologize for that. But it only took about a day to fixed the compiling problems, so all that whining to the mods to remove my thread was just plain unnecessary IMO. I will be more careful though now that I know that there are sensitive people here.
I'm not having any of that. Can you elaborate and maybe I can look into that more, what instance was it happening in? Remember I'm not associated with AOSPA on GitHub so I cannot make changes to the master. I'm still new to compiling ROMs and could probably use some insight on how and what is safe to modify on my local copy of the source. I was thinking about replacing jack compiler with the default toolchain now that jack has been depreciated.
Let me test this build out just to see what works/doesn't real quick and then I'll make another thread. I supposed it doesn't need to be flawless since I've seen worse ROMs pop up and they plain didn't half work. And sometimes they say to test it out yourself and report bugs... So I guess I'll upload it soon in a thread in the ROMs section.
Eagerly waiting for your build...
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Let me test this build out just to see what works/doesn't real quick and then I'll make another thread. I supposed it doesn't need to be flawless since I've seen worse ROMs pop up and they plain didn't half work. And sometimes they say to test it out yourself and report bugs... So I guess I'll upload it soon in a thread in the ROMs section.
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Yes,but devs only do that when they do blind builds aka builds for devices they don't have,since they can't test it themselves they release it to people having that device to test it out.
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Techie Android said:
I understand that about the rules and respect that and I admit I did not look at the rules regarding that, and I apologize for that. But it only took about a day to fixed the compiling problems, so all that whining to the mods to remove my thread was just plain unnecessary IMO. I will be more careful though now that I know that there are sensitive people here.
I'm not having any of that. Can you elaborate and maybe I can look into that more, what instance was it happening in? Remember I'm not associated with AOSPA on GitHub so I cannot make changes to the master. I'm still new to compiling ROMs and could probably use some insight on how and what is safe to modify on my local copy of the source. I was thinking about replacing jack compiler with the default toolchain now that jack has been depreciated.
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Some apps and games which were supposed to work(since they work out fine on other ROMs) give force closes.
About proximity sensor, when you place your device during a call on your ear then the screen should turn off normally,but it doesn't(on official AOSPA) due to proximity sensor issues, although it can be fixed by using another firmware ,it should be fixed(ROM side changes) so that people can use other firmwares too if they want to.
It's up! https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/development/rom-t3656901
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Yes,but devs only do that when they do blind builds aka builds for devices they don't have,since they can't test it themselves they release it to people having that device to test it out.
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Some apps and games which were supposed to work(since they work out fine on other ROMs) give force closes.
About proximity sensor, when you place your device during a call on your ear then the screen should turn off normally,but it doesn't(on official AOSPA) due to proximity sensor issues, although it can be fixed by using another firmware ,it should be fixed(ROM side changes) so that people can use other firmwares too if they want to.
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Yeah I had the proximity problem but never had my apps crash. But the proximity problem is fixed now.
can you build paranoid android with OOS blobs V3?
It uses 2.x right now, right?
also more video codec support?
Thread closed. Anything after this point I will not monitor. Go to https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/development/rom-t3656901 to post.
so far aospa(just test it) in my OnePlus One has the following issues (official AOSPA from their website)
- The hardware keys light is broken(lights up whenever and for unknown time - also cannot be controller),
- The battery circle icon(my favorite) ...if you use the percentage, you can't see the percentage ...circle is having a thick layer(for some reason)
Didn't test it further as I can't have these obvious bugs, so back to LA-OS until it's better
There are so many choices and I am a bit overwhelmed on what I should use. I have the Note 3 SM-N900W8 version, this phone is for my dad. I just want a simple android environment that would be Google certified(if that's a thing) so he can use apps that do not like root like Netflix. I was hoping something that is similar to base android 6 or later, I have no idea which roms would work that would be simple to use. I was hoping something like what I would use on my Nexus 6p called Pure Nexus, but obviously, it's for that phone only but would have been perfect. The current one he uses is always giving him trouble when updating apps with security options that he never has any idea what to do, so I get stuck having to do it for him. Sorry that I am all over the place with this post, but hopefully someone understands and knows what would be good. Thanks
See multiple identical what rom best rom posts .
ROM descriptions are posted .
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3/development
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3/orig-development
I would suggest if its for somebody else and you don't know what you are doing/ cannot read rom descriptions then stick with stock rom .
Yes I am very aware of those pages, I was just hoping from someones experience, if anyone has come across something similar to Pure Nexus. I know how to install and all that stuff. Starting to feel it was a mistake to post this thread...
nenitosoyyo said:
Yes I am very aware of those pages, I was just hoping from someones experience, if anyone has come across something similar to Pure Nexus. I know how to install and all that stuff. Starting to feel it was a mistake to post this thread...
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It is hard to say what your need for a rom are. Every one uses there devices diffrently. What works great for me might not be good for you. And viseversa. There are never stupid or dumb questions. Even though it has been asked many times over. Best advice is to search and read and try each of them to see what fits your needs.
Btw i have at&t so I am limited on what roms I can use as I have a locked bootloader.
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It is hard to say what your need for a rom are. Every one uses there devices diffrently. What works great for me might not be good for you. And viseversa. There are never stupid or dumb questions. Even though it has been asked many times over. Best advice is to search and read and try each of them to see what fits your needs.
Btw i have at&t so I am limited on what roms I can use as I have a locked bootloader.
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Thanks for the advice, I am researching over what is available and taking my time to make sure I choose the right one. Thanks again.