Hello everyone.
My 3 years old 7" Joying Sofia 2gb HU died, and I'm looking for a replacement.
Since the release of my unit, I noticed that the new models are based on PX5, PX6 and the latest AIRMONT Intel units.
The most important things for me:
- fast performance and stability, which means at least 2gb of memory, preferably 4gb.
- good ANDROID AUTO compatibility, either natively, or good support for the app "Android headunit reloaded" which I've been using all the time on my dead joying unit
-Fast wake up time after sleep, I really don't want to wait a minute for having a working unit once I turn on the car.
Any alternatives to Joying Headunits? I was disappointed with the quality control of their units and support.
Any advice will be highly appreciated!!
Hi,
I never give "buying advice" as I only know Joying and can't compare with others: there is no clear pro/con here. Some users prefer one brand, others another. 9 out of 10 only know "their own" brand and promote that one (something like: the more in one community, the more community support you might expect?). But you PMed me with the question about advice so I will give my 2 cents.
From what I have heard Dasaita (Hot Audio) seems qualitatively a bit better, but that's from hear-say. They are also slightly more expensive than the Joyings.
I now received the SC9853i unit from Joying for only 63 euros for testing purposes.
If I did not have that new Joying one, I might "try" a Dasaita.
Build quality: All Chinese models range from "moderate" to "bad" quality. There is a reason why they are 2x-3x cheaper. I do not think Joying is worse than the rest. I even think they are better than a lot of the unbranded models, who are indeed even cheaper. And again: From what I have heard is Dasaita better and therefore also more expensive.
W.r.t. support from Joying: They do support you. Sometimes it is very good, sometimes it is bad especially when they do not know it or do not have a solution. Then they "wriggle" without giving a firm statement.
But they do support you. When reading about all kind of other, especially the non-branded units, there is simply no support at all and they only speak Chinese.
Concluding: my choice would again be a Joying, or a Daisata.
But again: that is only theoretically as I have never done an in-depth study of multiple models.
Edit: Dasaita is MTC-D/E and therefore supported by the HAL9K and Malaysk custom ROMs, if that is what you want.
surfer63 said:
Hi,
I never give "buying advice" as I only know Joying and can't compare with others: there is no clear pro/con here. Some users prefer one brand, others another. 9 out of 10 only know "their own" brand and promote that one (something like: the more in one community, the more community support you might expect?). But you PMed me with the question about advice so I will give my 2 cents.
From what I have heard Dasaita (Hot Audio) seems qualitatively a bit better, but that's from hear-say. They are also slightly more expensive than the Joyings.
I now received the SC9853i unit from Joying for only 63 euros for testing purposes.
If I did not have that new Joying one, I might "try" a Dasaita.
Build quality: All Chinese models range from "moderate" to "bad" quality. There is a reason why they are 2x-3x cheaper. I do not think Joying is worse than the rest. I even think they are better than a lot of the unbranded models, who are indeed even cheaper. And again: From what I have heard is Dasaita better and therefore also more expensive.
W.r.t. support from Joying: They do support you. Sometimes it is very good, sometimes it is bad especially when they do not know it or do not have a solution. Then they "wriggle" without giving a firm statement.
But they do support you. When reading about all kind of other, especially the non-branded units, there is simply no support at all and they only speak Chinese.
Concluding: my choice would again be a Joying, or a Daisata.
But again: that is only theoretically as I have never done an in-depth study of multiple models.
Edit: Dasaita is MTC-D/E and therefore supported by the HAL9K and Malaysk custom ROMs, if that is what you want.
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Thank you for the very informative reply! I'm sure other forum members will learn from it.
I'm actually a bit disappointed with Joying, the device has never left the car, and suddenly the screen stooped working intermittently. After reading a but about this issue, it appears that the intel Sofia units had some poor soldering of parts on the motherboard, and after contacting their support team, they recognized the problem and sent me a link to a video on YT showing that I can fix it by soldering a part on the motherboard. Unfortunately trying to do so left me with a totally non-functioning device.
The only thing that Joying offered was a 5% discount on a new unit, and I felt really uncomfortable to buy a new unit only after 3 units, when it was clearly a bad quality control issue.
For this, I will surely look into that other DASAITA units. From checking their latest models, they seem to be cased on PX6, while the newer Joying have the newer Airmont CPUs.
1) Do you think there will be much difference in terms of performance between PX6 and Airmont architecture? They both have 4GB of RAM.
2) Any idea if the DASAITA have the quick wake up from sleep as the joying units? This is an extremely useful feature, as you don't have to wait until the unit becomes usable.
3) Apart from the ability of installing custom ROMs, what is the advantage of having MTCx units?
4) Is the ZLINK solution provided in these units a good solution for having Android Auto? I've been using Android Headunit Reloaded and it has been really good.
5) Is the new built-in DSP available only in the latest Joying models?
Thanks again
KamaL said:
1) Do you think there will be much difference in terms of performance between PX6 and Airmont architecture? They both have 4GB of RAM.
2) Any idea if the DASAITA have the quick wake up from sleep as the joying units? This is an extremely useful feature, as you don't have to wait until the unit becomes usable.
3) Apart from the ability of installing custom ROMs, what is the advantage of having MTCx units?
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1. I don't think so. With 4GB everything runs smoothly and nothing is is taking those CPUs to the max as long as you do not play heavy games.
2. As far as I know (almost?) all newer MTCD/E models do also support quick wake up.
3. 10x more users (at least). 10X more knowledge (I think). All are compatible: per CPU-type/MCU type that is, so every PX6/MTCD is compatible with any other PX6/MTCD.
Look one level higher https://forum.xda-developers.com/android-auto/
And then check the MTCD forums. Read a bit more about them. They wil know about the quick startup.
Eventually I bought a unit from a local store, instead of dealing with shipping, customs etc...
It is made fekn FOXWAY, It has a PX6 RK3399 with 4gb of ram. I attached the settings page.
It doesn't have all day quick wake up, I can set it up to 2 hours, but after that it has to boot up. Although it's fast, I prefer for it to set it all the time as in joying units.
Also, I can't find a way to disable the touch or button beep sound, which is driving me.
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What is your favorite Android head unit? I have a 2006 F150 XLT that has the standard radio in it. The world of Android head units is a bit daunting, there is such a wide price range.
Are any of the brands you see on Amazon (such as Panelo, Masione, Joying, Atoto, Henhaoro, etc) any good? I don't want to spend a lot on a head unit, as there are other modifications I want to save that money for. This one caught my eye, but there is only one review, so I don't have anything to go on really: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07196PZDY/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I19FLMACLW5HJC&colid=299XVYDL2TUOK
What I like about that one is that it has a bunch of things I want, like Android 5.1 (recent enough not to cause cancer every time I use it), it doesn't have the DVD slot (which I wouldn't use anyway), it has an external mic input (I have seen that the included ones are usually horrible), it supports a backup camera, and it has phone mirroring function.
What is your favorite Android head unit? What if price was not in consideration? Thanks!
I've been wondering the same as I plan on getting one soon, which one did you finally buy and how did you find it ?
If not can someone please tell us what is the best all around (smooth & stable ,no overheating issues,good software support android head unit in the market right now , PX3 , PX5 or Intel Sofia based ?
Thanks
Right now I think px5 is best. It is fast, doesn't overheat and has good custom firmware
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Right now I think px5 is best. It is fast, doesn't overheat and has good custom firmware
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Compared to the Joying units with Intel Sofia from what I have read :
Pro.
1. like Andrei said, the PX5 units heat up a lot less than Intel Sofia but the temp still hovers around 50-60C so it's not exactly running cool
The Intel Sofia platform runs quite hot 70-80C and a few users had their units gave up on them. Joying is replacing them under warranty.
In my opinion the Sofia platform needs a decent heatsink for the SoM and active cooling.
2. PX5 units have 2 custom roms already... definitely a lot more software customisation compared to the Joying Sofia units
3. a way bigger user base (on the PX5) and a lot more skilled people willing to make the platform great
4. PX5 units still have an dvd/cd unit build in - it's almost useless these days but some still want one
Cons
1. some PX5 units have issue with the Wi-Fi signal strength and transfer speed (bad design, cheap antennas, they cut corners for a few cents... on some units you can correct the issue).
2. Some PX5 units have limited sleep mode implemented - only a few hours compared to the Joying that has 72 hours or so - the instant power on is limited on some units
3. PX5 Wi-fi issues when used at the same with with BT
4. a lot of people complain about an annoying echo when taking calls on the PX5 units
5. you can't tether via BT on the PX5 (still the same poor BT implementation that they are doing it for the past 4 years now.... very, very poor design)
6. read a lot of sad stories with poor customer support from some sellers of the PX5 units - you need to buy an unit from a seller with good reputation
Overall, the hardware in the Joying Sofia units is better in my opinion than the PX5 units but on the software customization side the Joying loses to the PX5
If Joying Sofia would have a bigger user base here and some skilled programmers things could be so much better.... but there's still time
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Compared to the Joying units with Intel Sofia from what I have read :
Pro.
1. like Andrei said, the PX5 units heat up a lot less than Intel Sofia but the temp still hovers around 50-60C so it's not exactly running cool
The Intel Sofia platform runs quite hot 70-80C and a few users had their units gave up on them. Joying is replacing them under warranty.
In my opinion the Sofia platform needs a decent heatsink for the SoM and active cooling.
2. PX5 units have 2 custom roms already... definitely a lot more software customisation compared to the Joying Sofia units
3. a way bigger user base (on the PX5) and a lot more skilled people willing to make the platform great
4. PX5 units still have an dvd/cd unit build in - it's almost useless these days but some still want one
Cons
1. some PX5 units have issue with the Wi-Fi signal strength and transfer speed (bad design, cheap antennas, they cut corners for a few cents... on some units you can correct the issue).
2. Some PX5 units have limited sleep mode implemented - only a few hours compared to the Joying that has 72 hours or so - the instant power on is limited on some units
3. PX5 Wi-fi issues when used at the same with with BT
4. a lot of people complain about an annoying echo when taking calls on the PX5 units
5. you can't tether via BT on the PX5 (still the same poor BT implementation that they are doing it for the past 4 years now.... very, very poor design)
6. read a lot of sad stories with poor customer support from some sellers of the PX5 units - you need to buy an unit from a seller with good reputation
Overall, the hardware in the Joying Sofia units is better in my opinion than the PX5 units but on the software customization side the Joying loses to the PX5
If Joying Sofia would have a bigger user base here and some skilled programmers things could be so much better.... but there's still time
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Thank you both for your responses, so If I get It right the PX5 is better performancewise and overall but with some issues partly due to it's cheap design,however with it's larger user base the software can be improved and the Intel Sofia has a better hardware design and stable software but tends to overheat.
Not really an easy choice to make ,as of now I'm favoring the Joying with the Intel Sofia because it appears to have a better hardware design and a stable software for basic use (Waze, Spotify...) , I'll probably have to install a fan/heatsink later and hope for the best.
if anyone has any additional return/advice/info on the PX5 or Intel Sofia based units,please post it as I still haven't decided yet and won't make the purchase until next week.
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Thank you both for your responses, so If I get It right the PX5 is better performancewise and overall but with some issues partly due to it's cheap design,however with it's larger user base the software can be improved and the Intel Sofia has a better hardware design and stable software but tends to overheat.
Not really an easy choice to make ,as of now I'm favoring the Joying with the Intel Sofia because it appears to have a better hardware design and a stable software for basic use (Waze, Spotify...) , I'll probably have to install a fan/heatsink later and hope for the best.
if anyone has any additional return/advice/info on the PX5 or Intel Sofia based units,please post it as I still haven't decided yet and won't make the purchase until next week.
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Honestly I had a joying Sofia before my px5, and the speed on the px5 platform is the same if not better. The fact that it's ARM based is better for overall compatibility. I've not had any problems with wifi so far (but I have a USB wifi hotspot in the car that I connect to), and I have no issues pairing with my phone either. Seriously in my opinion the thing that makes or breaks the whole experience is software, and I had a much better experience with the px5 platform software-wise so far. Xposed modules are super handy and add a lot of functionality that isn't available on the intel sofia platform.
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Honestly I had a joying Sofia before my px5, and the speed on the px5 platform is the same if not better. The fact that it's ARM based is better for overall compatibility. I've not had any problems with wifi so far (but I have a USB wifi hotspot in the car that I connect to), and I have no issues pairing with my phone either. Seriously in my opinion the thing that makes or breaks the whole experience is software, and I had a much better experience with the px5 platform software-wise so far. Xposed modules are super handy and add a lot of functionality that isn't available on the intel sofia platform.
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I'm considering the PX5 unit too as it would save me the trouble with Joying units overheating issues, Any brand recommendation / reference number for a reliable PX5 unit with good users experience?
Thanks.
Be glad to have a brand recommendation for the PX5 as well.
Hey, Blenderite just check this list in this site http://www.colereview.com/best-android-auto-head-unit/ and you can make a good choice of best android auto head unit.
For me, the best one is: The 7 inch Android 6.0 Marshmallow Car Stereo
Hello all,
My old Android HU is died out, and I'm looking for replacement at this point. Car is Hyundai Tucson 2015, and I'm looking for best HU I can find in terms of stability, performance and manufacturer and community support. Only condition is that it must be sent from EU warehouse (I don't want to have any bussines with customs).
From post on this forum, it seems to me that PX6 and PX5 units are most powerful. PX5 is having more community support at this time, and PX6 is newer, faster and less prone to overheating. Intel devices SC9853I are probably also good choice, but it seems to me that Rockchip units have more support and are faster.
I know that it isn't all in chipset, manufacturer quality control and support is probably more important, but I noticed that people are hesitant to recommend some manufacturer. Vendors that are often mentioned in terms of quality and support are: Dasaita, Joying, Ownice, Seicane...
This is something that I dug out looking at webshops and AliExpress stores:
SC9853I:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/400...chweb0_0,searchweb201602_3,searchweb201603_53
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/330...chweb0_0,searchweb201602_3,searchweb201603_53
PX5:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/329...chweb0_0,searchweb201602_3,searchweb201603_53
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/330...&terminal_id=e098d75088544c7baac05d66117023ed
https://www.seicane.com/hd-touchscr...HbSFpTs6LG72Gv9eEanFnh5QJFlJZGBCAROUXsfySp2PY
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32907599024.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.9.3ff16c6emwqL1h (K3 High)
PX6:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/329...chweb0_0,searchweb201602_3,searchweb201603_53
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/29317978...4ln_sBnA1gJJLy2mv8vxTROqe_h4UMvMY6jLgZGCmO9mo (universal 2-DIN, needs Tucson fascia also)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33024759182.html?spm=2114.12010612.8148356.11.12563044ms2KaY (most likely choice?)
Do you have any other recommendation (EU warehouse is a must)? What would you choose?
For me PX6 is probably best choice for future, although PX5 has better community support right now?
Decisions, decisions
I am going with cheap px6 and quite ok. With the low price for 127$ px6, 4gb ram, 32gb rom ... have the good speed and fast response. I used to have T8 with 2gb ram before and the response time is very bad.
mrVuHoa said:
I am going with cheap px6 and quite ok. With the low price for 127$ px6, 4gb ram, 32gb rom ... have the good speed and fast response. I used to have T8 with 2gb ram before and the response time is very bad.
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Can you share a link to the px6 unit?
Does it have fast wake up from sleep?
My joying Sofia 2gb unit died and looking for a replacement.
Thanks
KamaL said:
Can you share a link to the px6 unit?
Does it have fast wake up from sleep?
My joying Sofia 2gb unit died and looking for a replacement.
Thanks
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Try to find at banggood.com if any promotion for you, as usal the price can be under 150$.
With me, it boot up fast enought ~20-25sec, take 2-3m to get GPS if clear sky.
Note: I am using cheap one with stm32 MCU, you may get another high end PX6 with MCTx, it can be better.
mrVuHoa said:
Try to find at banggood.com if any promotion for you, as usal the price can be under 150$.
With me, it boot up fast enought ~20-25sec, take 2-3m to get GPS if clear sky.
Note: I am using cheap one with stm32 MCU, you may get another high end PX6 with MCTx, it can be better.
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What do you mean by MCTx??
For those of you who are interested, I bought a unit from a local store, instead of dealing with shipping, customs etc...
It's made from FOXWAY brand, with a PX6 RK3399 with 4gb of ram. I attached the settings page.
It doesn't have all day quick wake up, I can set it up to 2 hours, but after that it has to boot up. Although it's fast, I prefer for it to set it all the time as in joying units.
Also, I can't find a way to disable the touch or button beep sound, which is driving me.
Any ideas will be welcome..
Hi everybody
I'm going to order one of these two:
https://it.aliexpress.com/item/4000614373792.html 375€
https://it.aliexpress.com/item/4000248222979.html (K3 HIGH) 331€
Both have integrated DSP and 9 "IPS Display. Dasaita has PX6 chip, 4GB RAM and 64 ROM; Ownice has PX5 chip, 4 Gb RAM and 32 GB ROM.
Regardless of the PX6 processor which is less supported (but in my opinion it will become because the PX5 starts to get old), I'm undecided on which to choose even if I am much more oriented towards Dasaita which seems to me of higher quality.
Do you still confirm that Dasaita is among the best 2din android car radio distributors, even above than Ownice?
Thank you
I can't say which is best since I only have experience with Ownice. What I can say after taking the thing apart is that construction is on par for a Chinese unit and I would't expect any different from Dasaita. I think the difference will be on the update side but again no experience with Dasaita so someone else with a MAX6 would have to comment or you can search for yourself. As far as I know the last MCU update for the K3 dates from October 1st (v3.17).
I'm less than impressed with the EQ app stunt but I have a pro so doesn't matter to me. Also annoying is how they change the specs (the K3Pro is now a PX6) and how outdated the site is (as in they still list units that are not available in the Ali store).
As far as support goes they seem to be good as there is not much request for help here and they seem to be responsive from the feedback. Haven't had to use it so might be a good sign. AFAIK Dasaita has excellent support.
There are custom ROM for both SoC and they're a nice improvement over stock. The one advantage of PX6 is it runs cooler making it appear to be faster than the PX5. The issue is the PX5 is not properly cooled and gets throttled. Once you add a heatsink it runs smoother. The question is does a PX6 perform as well under load with the stock cooling?
Thanks nick2k for your valuable advices. What do you mean by under load at the end of the post? Listening to music with Spotify and using google maps at the same time is it a use that puts the radio under load? I'm not one who twists a lot.
Sorry for the late response. Spotify and Google maps together wouldn't be a great load but adding a visualization widget and a software EQ would start to add up. You also never know what other service is running in the background. Unlike a PC CPU that sits idle most of the time Android devices have a bunch of stuff tracking users and doing who knows what else. It all adds up and the environment also has to be accounted for a hot summer day will cause throttling easier than a cold winter day. I guess you will only find out when you get there but all it might mean is it needs a bugger heatsink.
I have an old Pumpkin 7" MTCB unit I'm looking to replace (RK3188, 800X480 screen and I think 512MB RAM). I flashed Malaysk's ROM on it with Android 4.4.4 but it's really slow at this point so it needs to go. I've been looking at different options but I've been out of the loop for a while and I'm having a hard time comparing head units, mostly because of the different CPUs. I remember PX6 CPUs used to be the best but now there are plenty others that appear to have the same specs but are not called PX6 (they mostly just say octacore).
Also which brands seem to have the best track record so far? Dasaita used to be considered the best but I don't know if that's still the case. I've also seen a few units with automatic rotating screens, but I don't know if that would really be useful or more of a gimmick so if anybody has any experience with these please chime in.
Ideally I'd like to get a 10" screen with DSP and 4GB of RAM (I think 2GB of RAM would become too slow a lot sooner so I'd like to avoid it). My budget would be around $300 (I could go higher if it's really worth it) so please let me know your recommendations.
Thanks in advance.
FYT based 7862UIS 3GB or more. The MTCD units IMHO have been left behind.
You'll need to do some forum reading, it's all there
Hey all, I've been messing around with android for ages, I've built a head unit using a Nexus 7 running Timurs kernel. That's become fairly outdated now and I've discovered that I can buy one of the head units running android which does everything the nexus did but better.
But I am so out of the loop with all the terminology and it seems that there isn't an obvious Go-To brand.
I was hoping this forum could answer some questions that I'm sure a lot of people are asking. So,
What does MTCB, MTCD and FYT stand for, a basic explanation of them and why would you pick one over the other?
What are the most popular / widely accepted / most supported brands / models from each group?
I'm personally after a ~ 9 inch device I can use as a dash for my aftermarket PCM (RealDash is the app I'll use) that also has standard headunit features. I'm looking at a Joying unit but I want to know what my options are.
Thanks heaps for any information
Hopefully this can be made into a thread for new people to get the lowdown and basics of Android based head units.
I have had an ATOTO head unit for over a year now and I have been very pleased with it. I recently got a newer model that I will be swapping it out with soon.
ATOTO has the best value for features and performance on the market today. Their products are primarily sold on Amazon, and they also sell direct at https://store.myatoto.com/ . There are several reviews on Amazon and you can Google ATOTO reviews and read some independent ones as well. Overall, they come highly recommended. They have great customer support, but since they are overseas it is by email only with a 24-48 hour turnaround for a response. You can also search for ATOTO in the forums here and there are several threads.
I hope this helps...
I saw a video for beginners the other day on Youtube
He seems to have lots of other good videos.
I'm also new, even though I've used Joying for a decade.
It seems they all use the same image or build off a common base, like all units use a PX5 or PX6 rom image. I wonder if they build it themselves or where is the origin?
Atoto makes their own Android based custom ROM and UI, the current units are based on Android 10. Unfortunately, there is no resource I have found here to root this latest version. But, you can certainly install another UI like Nova Launcher and such.
BTW, their latest models have a 1024x600 IPS display with 178 degree viewing angle.
Atoto does not use these px5 or px6 images?
Ok, px5 and px6 are actually processors.
Then I guess what my next question is, do they build off a common Android for head units branch?
As in, I dont't think they all are branching the git repo of Android, instead of branching from some head unit branch?
This really ought to be a Wiki article (except XDA axed that) or a sticky. There are many people here who know a ton about Android but aren't conversant with head units. Most of the posts on this subforum have to do with specific problems for specific functions on specific units in specific cars. Not a great way to get an oversight.
Let me flesh out what I mean (from my naive knowledge and subject to correction/expansion):
Head units are composed of:
Chassis
Single DIN
Double DIN
Others?
Motherboard
STM32F microcontroller (usually?)
Speaker amplifier
FM radio tuner
WiFi interface
Bluetooth interface
Resistive steering wheel controls interface (2)
Serial interface to external, optional CAN BUS (OBDII) box
Rear view camera interface
GPS interface
Standardized? rear panel connectors
"Core board" (a pluggable, modular Android system) Often named after the Rockchip processor used, PX4, PX5, PX6. Is this the only format? Are these modules used for anything besides head units?
LCD/OLED Display
Renate said:
This really ought to be a Wiki article (except XDA axed that) or a sticky. There are many people here who know a ton about Android but aren't conversant with head units. Most of the posts on this subforum have to do with specific problems for specific functions on specific units in specific cars. Not a great way to get an oversight.
Let me flesh out what I mean (from my naive knowledge and subject to correction/expansion):
Head units are composed of:
Chassis
Single DIN
Double DIN
Car specific formats
Motherboard
STM32F, MTC*, CSN*, CSM*, FYT, RK7* and a couple of older and outdated boards still sold
Speaker amplifier
FM radio tuner
WiFi interface
Bluetooth interface
Resistive steering wheel controls interface (2)
Serial interface to external, optional CAN BUS (OBDII) box
Rear view camera interface
GPS interface
Standardized? rear panel connectors (no standard, as there are 30-pin, 21-pin, ISO and Quadlock connectors)
"Core board" (a pluggable, modular Android system) Often named after the Rockchip processor used, PX4, PX5, PX6. Is this the only format? (No, also some kind of ALLWINNER boards mainly acting with 8227L chipsets, Intel...) Are these modules used for anything besides head units? (not really, because they are just some sort of "reader" for the main board, the communication between the hardware and Android is completely different from any other Android device.)
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See my comments inline in red..
That is not that easy with these units.
The most important thing here is, that thread starter do not use the search function, which leads to a lot of duplicated threads. There needs to be a clear instruction to use the search and how to figure out which sub-forum to ask in, means the thread starter needs to know the facts of his unit in front....
As we see in the MTC and this forum, we often have to ask about MCU and Chipset and that leads often in asking the mods for moving the threads into the right forum.
If you ask me: I have no real idea how to get that structured in a way that someone who has the knowledge is able to help without check backs for details.
If you have a look at this forum, you might find some dozen of threads regarding the same MCU/Chipset... really not ideal.
famadorian said:
I saw a video for beginners the other day on Youtube
He seems to have lots of other good videos.
I'm also new, even though I've used Joying for a decade.
It seems they all use the same image or build off a common base, like all units use a PX5 or PX6 rom image. I wonder if they build it themselves or where is the origin?
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I have been watching this guy's videos as well, but can't helped getting the feeling he is being heavily sponsored by brands like Joying.
Also: I personally don't believe, that a octacore head-unit is necessarily. There a plenty of Quad-Core ARM A7 headunits out there, which are below €$£ 150 where as the octacore units are way more expensive.
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So personally I opted for a € 150 unit, featuring a 720P IPS screen, 2GB of RAM and 32GB storage and Apple Carplay and Android Auto support. The last one seemly is called AA, although AA is also the road assistance in the United Kingdom....
Anyway most people will tell you not to buy a Quad-Core unit, but I did it nevertheless. These units are in a way quite similar like the Nexus 7, which has a Cortex A9 instead of Cortex A7. The last one being one of the most energy efficient chipsets.... isn't that important as well for a car?
The Nexus 7 had a 800x1280 screen, and 1GB of RAM and worked just fine. Until the storage got screwed up.... I still have mine, but it doesn't seem to do much anymore.
One thing to consider: when using mainly Android Auto or Apple Carplay, than in theory even a 1GB RAM unit would be fine. I believe he tested some of these as well.... they where quite impressive for the money. Also technology is way better, than a few years ago. Even though it seems there hasn't been much going on at the budget side...
But budget head-units below € 150 used to be way worse: a few years ago I couldn't even find a single unit for my car, below € 250. Now it starts at € 110 with a completely integrated frame. Of course I would suggest adding € 40 more and getting atleast the unit with 2GB of RAM.
DexterMorganNL said:
I have been watching this guy's videos as well, but can't helped getting the feeling he is being heavily sponsored by brands like Joying.
Also: I personally don't believe, that a octacore head-unit is necessarily. There a plenty of Quad-Core ARM A7 headunits out there, which are below €$£ 150 where as the octacore units are way more expensive.
€ 110,61 50%OFF | Ekiy T7 Qled Dsp Android Auto Radio Voor Suzuki Celerio Alto 2014 - 2018 Stereo Auto Multimedia Video Speler 2din carplay Gps Navi
https://a.aliexpress.com/_vE6we4
So personally I opted for a € 150 unit, featuring a 720P IPS screen, 2GB of RAM and 32GB storage and Apple Carplay and Android Auto support. The last one seemly is called AA, although AA is also the road assistance in the United Kingdom....
Anyway most people will tell you not to buy a Quad-Core unit, but I did it nevertheless. These units are in a way quite similar like the Nexus 7, which has a Cortex A9 instead of Cortex A7. The last one being one of the most energy efficient chipsets.... isn't that important as well for a car?
The Nexus 7 had a 800x1280 screen, and 1GB of RAM and worked just fine. Until the storage got screwed up.... I still have mine, but it doesn't seem to do much anymore.
One thing to consider: when using mainly Android Auto or Apple Carplay, than in theory even a 1GB RAM unit would be fine. I believe he tested some of these as well.... they where quite impressive for the money. Also technology is way better, than a few years ago. Even though it seems there hasn't been much going on at the budget side...
But budget head-units below € 150 used to be way worse: a few years ago I couldn't even find a single unit for my car, below € 250. Now it starts at € 110 with a completely integrated frame. Of course I would suggest adding € 40 more and getting atleast the unit with 2GB of RAM.
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This is your personal thing.
I don´t recommend to buy such a QuadCore thing, as it is lame as hell, does not support deep sleep, does not provide any support in case there is something wrong with the unit. This, I already wrote to you in another thread.
Please don´t recommend such a nonsense as there are top units available for around 200-250 Euro/USD. It is may be okayish for you, but the majority wants and needs something which does not need these stupid AA or this Carplay.
To use any head unit just as a monitor for Android Auto or Apple Carplay is just a bit hard to understand, as the units with at least a PX5 has more functionality as Android Auto or Carplay would ever be able to provide.
Buy this overpriced unit with a QuadCore and I would really hope that we don´t read that you buyed just BS.
Well it's your personal opinion as well.... it ain't facts.... and it isn't overpriced. The euro is just very weak on the moment, one euro is only $ 0,99 I saw last time.
Ah well have fun with your expensive Chinese Android head-unit, I bet they break as fast as the cheaper ones and there won't be any difference when using Android Auto. And please stop calling it AA, because it's confusing as in British English that's how they call the road assistance. How do you call Apple Carplay then? AC? That's your air conditioner
For € 300 I can buy a JVC: so why the heck spend this kind off money, on a Chinese Android head-unit?
Anyway Saab Unleashed also tested an cheap ARM A7 unit, and it's just fine. This being even a unit with 1GB RAM and only 16GB storage. Also no 720P screen. It really depends on your own usage, how the experience with such a unit is.
Not all Android applications need so much processing. And also I don't believe it's a fact that these units don't support deep sleep. Because there is still a lot of difference between ARM A7 Android head-units. A quick search on Google learns, that deep sleep is supported within the ARM A7 chipset.
And it's not like that Joying or any other brand, is in the league of a Chinese brand like Xiaomi. So yes I rather go for a cheaper Android head-unit, even though it comes with a slower but very energy efficient chipset. Energy efficiency is also very important.
Oh and all Chinese goods bought directly from China, don't provide the warranty you are used to for example in Europe. If I buy a JVC unit, for € 300 than I can be sure to have warranty for atleast 2 years. An Chinese Android head-unit, no matter which price only provides warranty as long as the AlliExpress buyer protection lasts!
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This reinforces what I've been saying. This whole subforum is an inbred world only with difficulty accessible to a non-auto Android user (or even developer).
I presume from the above quote that those things are basically equivalent to Roku screen mirroring with some bells and whistles thrown in?
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This reinforces what I've been saying. This whole subforum is an inbred world only with difficulty accessible to a non-auto Android user (or even developer).
I presume from the above quote that those things are basically equivalent to Roku screen mirroring with some bells and whistles thrown in?
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Well that's usually the case isn't it? But I just recently heard about Roku, saw those streaming sticks lying in a Germany Saturn. Didn't know what it was, but I guess it's something like Amazon Fire stick?
But actually the cheapest vehicle specific headunits, don't even come with Apple Carplay or Android auto support. I considered getting the cheapest one, as they are all able to use native Android apps.
Only I was concerned, that 1GB RAM would not be enough to atleast run Google Maps and Spotify on the same time. So I looked further, compared multiple sellers. Mostly all offering the same ****....
So I was surprised that Ekiy, was offering a unit that came with a 720P IPS screen. While other resellers, sell these kind of units with a 1024x600 TN Screen.