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It is time for a new phone, my Moto X Style (Pure) on T-Mobile is getting a bit long in the tooth.
1) storage is only 16GB so even with the few apps I use, I have to clear cache to update apps (photos, videos, etc all goto the SD Card)
2) signal is crap at times and call quality suffers
3) Lenorola is starting to slack on Android update time frames, they use to be quick with the last two Moto X and now they are getting behind (even with security updates)
I am on T-Mobile and I mainly do alot of audio (BT), some pictures and video, and the rest is just FB, Email, Text, Web Browsing
My choices are to go with the V20 and root it to get a few apps that I need
or wait and order a Pixel XL (128GB) and ride the google update train again.
I was faced with the same decision.. 16GB is just a non-starter for me, and I couldn't wait for the 128GB version to become available. Also Google's hardware didn't completely impress me.. I picked up the V20 coming from the Note 7.. honestly my plan is to run with it until the Note 8 comes out more than likely. I think the Google phone will have a longer lifespan and obviously quicker updates.. but I needed a phone and couldn't wait for the 128GB version to come out. Also the price difference was pretty significant compared the Verizon's price on the V20.. so that was a factor as well.
Overall the V20 didn't 'wow' me like the Note 7 did.. but its still a very good phone and for the $650 or so I got it for I am happy.. I don't think the Pixel XL would have wowed me either to be honest after having the Note 7 though.
The last LG phone I had was the G4 and that was a bit of a let down.
Since I am on T-Mobile coming from a Moto X Pure (3rd Gen) I won't get any trade in value at all (keeping it as a backup)
It is $30 a month for the V20 on T-Mobile, or I buy the Pixel XL and get $325 in credit over 24 months which will take away some of the hit over time for the Pixel XL
I am leaning to the V20 right now, especially because of how on top of updates LG has appeared to become. I just hate the bloat, hopefully there are good fixes for that or someone later releasing a cleaned up stock rom
I was faced with the same problem
Pick the Pixel for:
- better camera (especially video stabilization)
- fast updates and longer lifespan
- better one-handed usage
- fluid software experience
- looks (subjective I know, but I kinda like it and it has no camera hump)
Lg v20 for:
- removable battery
- better sound experience
- military grade drop protection
- manual camera mode if that's your thing
- expandable storage
- second screen is useful sometimes
I obviously went with the v20. Unlocked bootloader on T-Mobile and root on it fixes some software problems. Although I wouldn't complain if I had went with the Pixel either
I'm currently facing the EXACT dilemma.
After reading your comments, I think I might pick up the T-mobile version of the V20 instead.
Since we still do not have an official V20 root for the Canadian model.
Looks like I am leaning to the V20 as well. Mainly for the camera, screen, audio.
Even if we get a stock cleaned up ROM later then it would be perfectly fine.
Not sure about your options in your part of the world, but here in New Zealand the pixel XL is $1400 while i bought the V20 for $900. So yea, no explanation needed
Pixel is a ugly ass phone.
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I loved my Nexus 6
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I came from the nexus 6P which I loved to this phone and to honest I love the battery life and everything it has to offer so far. Up in Canada they are offering the B&O H3 headphones plus 200 off which was 799 for the whole package which is a wicked deal
I have the Tmo V20 and I didn't feel like there was much bloat...well compared to AT&T's devices. Coming from the N7 my only gripe is the low light pictures come out gainier than the N7. I hated the edge screen on the N7 but I really dig the second screen on the V20. The screen isn't as saturated as an AMOLED screen, but in everyday use I don't notice it. Done call the V20 ugly, but I honestly love the looks. Of course most people throw a case on their device, so does that even matter?
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If you listen to BT audio a lot stop hesitating and go get the LGv20 and grab a pair of BT headphones with Aptx support (lgv20 one of only a couple phones that support it.) I have these and they are awesome.
https://www.amazon.com/Monster-SuperSlim-Bluetooth-Wireless-Headphones/dp/B015EGRK9S
Honestly paying that much for a mere 128 gb is outrageous. For $400-500 like the old Nexus phones... sure I might be convinced to give up the extensive list of V20 features some of which were not even present in the Note 7. I see the Pixel XL like the Android version of the IPhone 7's business model: add a camera that's nice but doesn't blow the others out of the water anymore, give it a short shelf life with limited storage and non-removable battery (so that you MUST upgrade after 12 months), put a lot of emphasis on zippy when the competition are pretty zippy already. Overall a pretty meh exterior design like the V20 and Iphone7. The Note is prettier but that finger print magnet back is a chore and I had enough of TouchWiz lagging down the experience compares to the V20.
I have a YouTube Red account. With a 250 GB Samsung micro SD ($70 eBay) and 64 GB on board I have so much content I don't know what do with.
I picked up two new TVs on black Friday. I use the V20 IR blaster with both. Same for the Kinivo HDMI splitter, no more fumbling with that little easy to lose clicker.
The V20 has Qualcomm Quick Charge 3.0, which the others don't have, is like one of the best V20 features. I use a 3.0 Anker PowerCore+ 10k mAh power bank ($40 Amazon) with an iOrange-E type C cable and the V20 absolutely flies from 40%-80%.
The second screen is probably the most useful feature I can switch to different songs on Amazon music app, use it as the zoom wheel in video recording, allows for more fluid app switching than interrupting the main screen just to use the multitasking soft button. And the quad DAC actually drives my V-Moda M100s. I wanted to test this against the Note 7 but the Fire Department said no can do homey. And rumor is no more headphone jack on new Samsungs. You'll have to spend $300 on Bluetooth Bose headphones with as good a sound as upper mid tier wired cans.
Honestly...even if V20, Note 7, iphone 7 and Pixel XL were all priced the same it would be a no brainer for me as far as useful features I rely on every day.
For me, it was a price per gb difference, and a looks thing. I came off an S6 Edge, and for me, the Pixel looks like an iPhone minus the home button. Yeah, it's on 7.1, and will get updates sooner (but I'm on Verizon so it's bound to be slower no matter which one). The smaller capacity model would never work for me, I download too many movies and stuff for that. My Edge was 64 and that was a decent balance between saving until I downloaded it off to the computer. Plus I get the expansion slot for more just because you never know. Could care less about the removable battery, but to some it's a plus. The camera seems to be subjective on video reviews, between people that prefer one over the other. I use a DSLR for anything important, so it's not a deal-breaker for me, and it takes pictures just fine for my eyes anyway. I didn't buy it as a camera, I bought it as a phone. And I know the LG G2 I had was rooted pretty quickly if memory serves, and just browsing seems like we've got a good group tackling that now (missed that on my S6). So in the end, the cost savings, and the aesthetics won me over between the two, with everything else basically being a wash either way. Plus, coming from the other phone, every time a gal looks at it, they always seem to say "Wow that's big". Simple pleasures, but it never gets old
By the way, NetFlix now has downloads. As does Amazon video and YouTube Red. I see no win with a phone that kills micro SD.
I bought V20. And I love myself for that decision.
Mahendra Dhaker said:
I bought V20. And I love myself for that decision.
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Believe it or not I returned the S8 and got mine. I'm freakin stoked by what LG has to offer. This my 1st non samsung phone and its rooted.
I ended up selling my V20 it was glitch fest everywhere even after several factory resets and the batter drain was bad.....I do miss the extra camera and the DAC but outside of that I love the S8+. This is my first Samsung phone since the note 3.
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I ended up selling my V20 it was glitch fest everywhere even after several factory resets and the batter drain was bad.....I do miss the extra camera and the DAC but outside of that I love the S8+. This is my first Samsung phone since the note 3.
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I am kind of on the same page. I jumped on the v20 from a note 4. My note 4 had less bugs, better battery life, and a better screen. "Auto" picture quality was much better on the note.
Things i will miss about the V20/Pros
~ Full manual camera controls and the wide angle lens
~ DAC
~ Second display
~ Build Quality
~ Removable Battery
***Biggest complaint by far is Battery life.. From my Pokemon Go experience specifically, my Girlfriend has a iPhone 6s. My note 4 battery life was better than hers. My V20 is literally half that of hers now. Same apps installed across both phones. Phone gets HOT.
Hi everyone,
I just wanted to get an idea of what you all though about the essential phone vs the oneplus 5. Why you bought/or thinking of buying one over the other...
LOL, don't waste your time... OnePlus 5!
I have a OnePlus 5 (8/128) and i don't want this ugly Essential Phone
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LOL, don't waste your time... OnePlus 5!
I have a OnePlus 5 (8/128) and i don't want this ugly Essential Phone
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The essential is beautiful
If there is a decent amount of development for it, I'll most likely consider getting one
For me, oneplus 5 is the most essential phone so far!
The biggest selling point for me would be custom software development. OnePlus was always well supported. OnePlus 5 had working recoveries and root within a week from its launch.
Essential is pretty new to the game, so let's see what it can do.
Being created by Andy Rubin I assume it should be pretty developer-friendly.
What really makes the Essential phone better than the OnePlus 5? I really don't see anything outside of a bezel-less screen
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Essential has no headphone jack. A pointless device that just blindly follows the latest trends. And the kernel sources aren't released for it yet, that should give you an idea how dev friendly it is.
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That's your opinion really. In a few years OnePlus will make a move to Meizu style, so watch your words. OnePlus 5 and older OnePlus devices are open for vulnerablities.
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Any sources to vulnerablities present in 1+ phones?
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Headphone jack will soon be removed on other phones after 2018 or 2019
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Well I'll just be removed from the list of their potential customers.
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Do your research and then you will find out.
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No way. You are the one who brought it up so it's up to you to defend your position. Both the OnePlus 5 and Essential run Android, and there's nothing about one device being cheaper that means it's more open to vulnerabilities.
If you're referring to the ability for App Locker to be bypassed, that's going to be resolved with a system update, and any device could have had a similar flaw
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Removing the headphone jack is kinda stupid in my opinion. Other than saving space and making it possible for the phone to be even thinner, there's no real benefit to removing it.
What's next to be removed? The charging port and force us to use wireless charging? If the phone has to sit on a stupid pad, it's not truly wireless. Unless I can walk around the house with it, while it's charging, it's not truly "wireless". Wireless means no wires, but it also implies mobility/freedom.
That has nothing to do with the OnePlus being a "cheaper" device. It's part of the compromises made for a very developer-friendly phone. I'm sure if the Essential's bootloader is easily unlocked, people will find some vulnerabilities with it as well.
Samsung and BlackBerry have focused on security for their phones, which often means locked bootloaders and limited access to modding abilities (not that it isn't possible, but once you do, you completely break their security layer (Samsung Knox, for instance).
There is absolutely nothing to suggest Essential has a security barrier like Knox, so your point is pretty much meaningless in a thread comparing OnePlus to Essential.
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I'm on the fence between the OnePlus 5 and the Essential phone, myself.
After owning a long line of Nexus devices, a OnePlus 3, then a Google Pixel XL, I made the switch to the Galaxy S8. Overall, the S8 has actually been great. But it does come with its annoyances, namely Samsung CONSTANTLY trying to push their proprietary apps through random weekly notifications and the Bixby interface. I've disabled a lot of the Samsung bloatware apps but the phone still lags/hangs more often than my OnePlus 3 or Pixel XL ever did, which is just sad. So I'm ready to get back into the more "pure Android" experience.
I was initially planning on holding out until the Pixel 2/Pixel XL 2 were announced but reputable rumors are consistently showing that the regular pixel will just have a 5" screen with huge bezels again and the XL 2 will be a monster of a phone with a 6" screen that matches the size of the S8+ but with even larger bezels. It will be pushing 6.4" tall, which is simply too big for me. So I've decided to look at other options. The reviews of the OnePlus 5 have been excellent and I was extremely close to pulling the trigger on one until news of the Essential phone really started to break recently.
These days I don't really root/mod my phones so that isn't much of a concern. And after experiencing the bezel-less life of the S8, it would be tough for me to go back to something with 2015/2016 size bezels. This is why the Essential phone really has my attention, at the moment. Plus the design of the Essential phone is very original and I love just about everything about it. However, I will admit that at least OnePlus makes good use of the large bottom bezel with the capacitive keys and finger print scanner. Not to mention that it costs over $150 less than the Essential Phone.
Personally, I'm having a really tough time deciding between the two. At least I've ruled out all other options, at this point.
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I'm on the fence between the OnePlus 5 and the Essential phone, myself.
After owning a long line of Nexus devices, a OnePlus 3, then a Google Pixel XL, I made the switch to the Galaxy S8. Overall, the S8 has actually been great. But it does come with its annoyances, namely Samsung CONSTANTLY trying to push their proprietary apps through random weekly notifications and the Bixby interface. I've disabled a lot of the Samsung bloatware apps but the phone still lags/hangs more often than my OnePlus 3 or Pixel XL ever did, which is just sad. So I'm ready to get back into the more "pure Android" experience.
I was initially planning on holding out until the Pixel 2/Pixel XL 2 were announced but reputable rumors are consistently showing that the regular pixel will just have a 5" screen with huge bezels again and the XL 2 will be a monster of a phone with a 6" screen that matches the size of the S8+ but with even larger bezels. It will be pushing 6.4" tall, which is simply to big for me. So I've decided to look at other options. The reviews of the OnePlus 5 have been excellent and I was extremely close to pulling the trigger on one until news of the Essential phone really started to break recently.
These days I don't really root/mod my phones so that isn't much of a concern. And after experiencing the bezel-less life of the S8, it would be tough for me to go back to something with 2015/2016 size bezels. This is why the Essential phone really has my attention, at the moment. However, I will admit that at least OnePlus makes good use of the large bottom bezel with the capacitive keys and finger print scanner. Not to mention that it costs over $150 less than the Essential Phone.
Personally, I'm having a really tough time deciding between the two. At east I've ruled out all other options, at this point.
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The 8ngig of ram is nice. I have oneplus 5 8 gig ram version. I am looking g at the essential phone BC it looks so great.
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The 8ngig of ram is nice. I have oneplus 5 8 gig ram version. I am looking g at the essential phone BC it looks so great.
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While I'm not usually one to harp solely on specs, the Essential phone coming out with just 4GB of RAM is a head scratcher. Apps and OS features are taking up more and more resources these days and we are hitting a point where 4GB RAM just isn't cutting it anymore. Which is why I'm also surprised that the 2nd generation of Pixel phones are rumored to only have 4GB of RAM, as well.
I should say that the use of an LCD display on the Essential Phone is a bit baffling, also. It's 2017, OLED screens are the new standard. I'd understand if they stuck with LCD to cut costs and make the phone cheaper. But it still starts at $700, so that logic doesn't seem to hold. And to top off the negatives on the Essential Phone, all the current video reviews are very "meh" about the camera performance. All of this has me realizing that I'd only be getting the Essential Phone for the bezel-less design. Hm....
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While I'm not usually one to harp solely on specs, the Essential phone coming out with just 4GB of RAM is a head scratcher. Apps and OS features are taking up more and more resources these days and we are hitting a point where 4GB RAM just isn't cutting it anymore. Which is why I'm also surprised that the 2nd generation of Pixel phones are rumored to only have 4GB of RAM, as well.
I should say that the use of an LCD display on the Essential Phone is a bit baffling, also. It's 2017, OLED screens are the new standard. I'd understand if they stuck with LCD to cut costs and make the phone cheaper. But it still starts at $700, so that logic doesn't seem to hold. And to top off the negatives on the Essential Phone, all the current video reviews are very "meh" about the camera performance. All of this has me realizing that I'd only be getting the Essential Phone for the bezel-less design. Hm....
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I would honestly wait until the Essential is released for general public. Those "reviews" are more like previews at the moment. So, if you're not in a hurry, wait a lil bit longer.
I heard the new Nokia 8 also runs stock android and it starts at 600€ so it may also be an option.
I am honestly satisfied with the OnePlus 5. But this is very subjective since I'm coming from a Galaxy S4 and the OnePlus 5 is a huge update.
Difference is $460 phone vs $700 phone. End of discussion.
Too many gimmicks on that device. Its a 300 dollar phone at a 900 dollar price tag. I dont see the point in accepting this newcomer. Gotta figure Rubin "left" for a reason. I doubt this thing will catch on. If Huawei cant in the us i doubt this thing can worldwide
If Essential provide sources and keep it quick it could be the phone to go for regardless of the price, After owning a OP3 for a year the software and sources have been hit and miss.. closest we'll get to a Nexus atm but Essential could be the new nexus since they provide the same support as Google on the software side, OP however it could be abandoned any time.. Let's hope Essential hit it right
I am happy with the OP5, but let's be honest the Pixel kinda blows it out of the water in some pretty key areas. (and i know the pixel 2 is more expensive, but for the pixel 2 it's only $100 or so more)...
Photos/videos
Unlimited Full size photos/videos Cloud Storage for FREE
Waterproof/Dustproof
3 years promised support for updates
Google Customer Service
1st Phone to receive updates (no waiting for months/months/etc....)
So what about you guys/gals, any thoughts to purchasing one and reselling the OP5?
Why or why not?
I had the Pixel XL 2 pre ordered with a ship date of next week but canceled.
I am still paying off the Oneplus 5 and won't get nearly what I paid for it. Look at eBay its saturated with this phone.
In raw specs it would be a downgrade in ram even though its overkill. Going from 8gb to 4gb
The Oneplus 5 camera and display are not as good as the Pixel 2, but not terrible either.
-Has a headphone jack
- The battery life is superb and the dash charging is bonus
- Tons of development for this phone
- Oneplus is pretty decent with their updates compared to other OEMS
I use my OnePlus 5 (6GB RAM) as my daily driver for two weeks now. Until now I mostly used Sony Smartphones (Xperia Z, Z2, Z5) and I made the change because of the increase of price for the new Sony phones. I am very happy with it and love the big development community! I've seen the Google live stream a few days ago when the Pixel2 was presented and these are the following advantages and disadvantages in my opinion:
+ Pixel 2
IP67 certified (waterproof)
probably better for smaller hands
true stereo speakers
camera (quality and OIS+EIS for video)
- Pixel 2
5 inch is quite small nowadays (for me 5,2 inch is perfect)
no headphone jack (headphone through usb c)
fingerprint scanner on back (not necassery for a 5 inch phone)
smaller battery
pricey
+ OnePlus 5
Dash Charge (probably the best feature)
headphone jack
price (you can save a lot!)
ram (probably a thing in the future)
battery life (much better than my old Xperia Z5)
design (in my opinion the pixel 2 is kinda ugly)
fingerprint sensor (very quick and I like the position)
I have ordered one. A little worried about the screen issues with the V30 so it'll be interesting to see what the reviewers say regarding the screen.
If it's not an issue I'll probably keep the OP5 and get a Pixel 2 XL as well.
Used to own a 6P and it's nice to always get the latest updates and the camera seems incredibly impressive.
No, I won't, besides the unlimited photos is only for two years. In my opinion, Google shot themselves in the foot, bringing up the price, might as well get a iPhone X. I mean look at those bezels. Oneplus is half the price, I can accept the bezels. Just my two cents.
Too pricey for me. I feel like once the 5T/6 is released next year (maybe even this year), I'll just upgrade to that, as it'll probably still be cheaper than the Pixel and probably contain next gen hardware.
I sold my OP5 for what I paid on Swappa. People are snatching them up for fear of stock never coming back officially.
I have ordered the Pixel 2 XL, mainly for the camera experience. Constant software updates and support are a bonus. I paid using Google Store Financing, which I'm not too worried about since Pixel phones retain value well.
I think most people find the Pixel 2 appealing because of it's camera quality and pure stock Android experience (constant updates, newest versions, etc.). Other than that, the design also matters. I wouldn't call either the 2 or the 2 XL a good looking phone by any stretch. The 2's screen to body ratio is underwhelming and, really, it looks like something out of 2014. Now that's not to say the OP5 is anything different, but the curved corners and the smaller chins make it look pretty good overall. Spec-wise, the OP5 is way superior with that overloaded 6 and 8GB RAM. Both have the SD835 so no difference on that front. The OP5 also has a near-stock experience, and that by itself is good enough for me. Overall as well as for the value, the OP5 is better, and I'd choose it over the Pixel 2 any day.
First things first, the lack of a proper headphone jack is a no-no for me. Type-C headphones are nowhere to find (to actually buy some) and I don't want to think all the time are my BT headphones charged up.
Second, since the OP5 came out, it receives at least one (sometimes even more) updates per month. Its not as a Pixel but still enough is going on.
Third, you lose dash charging which is superb compared to other tech, and the Pixel isn't as developer friendly as the Nexuses were. Count the price on top of that, basically paying more for less features.
I think I will swap over to Pixel 2 XL from OP5. Pixel is now available on vodafone and from my contract I can receive a new phone, so I will switch in december I think.
OP5 is nice, but Pixel feels way more modern!
Well, the reason you see the phone so cheap is because no one in their right would ever but a phone off eBay, just a dumb idea. To buy a used phone you go to swappa.com
Much safer to buy there and the listings descriptions are usually exactly what you get. Because of that you usually get better pricing there
Will surely be sifting to Pixel XL 2 when it arrives in November in India...
Happy with my OP5 but Pixel 2 Camera and OS updates are main reason I am switching...
Yes I will be swapping to the Pixel 2 XL, already pre-ordered it - After I had my first encounter with OP customer service when I got my OP5, I've loss all faith in the Company. I'll be moving on.
I like my OP5, but it has some annoying quirks. The latest is my phone doesn't ring for incoming calls. Everything is set right, just no rings. I only find out about a call now when I get a voicemail notification. Tried all the normal fixes, even full factory resets, but no resolution. OP's customer service is pretty uimpressive, too. I ordered a 128GB 2 XL and will give it try for a couple weeks. If I like it, my OP5 is headed for Swappa.
google is copying apple's business model on so many levels these days, except they are not offering anything exceptional (i think apple products are great, for what they are). the main difference is, apple does what THEY do very, very well. hardware and software engineers back to back means their devices always run cleanly and efficiently. google is using the same parts as every other flagship android manufacturer, and tends to stay just behind the curve. they slap a decent (that's right, DECENT) camera on the back, put the google logo on it and sell it for flagship prices. i'm sure their support is better than OP (impossible to beat OPs level of crappiness here), but it doesn't make up for their lack of innovation and foresight.
basically, if you are on XDA, WE are your support team. developers here will likely keep you on the latest OS with latest security definitions. this is one thing google usually does correctly, but it's not necessary to pay that kind of money for a service that is usually provided for free.
plus, the pixel line is UGLY. OP5 is definitely a "2 year ago" design, and it's still light years ahead of the pixel.
if you take a lot of pictures, pixel would be better. otherwise, i'd say stick with OP5.
Giving my OnePlus to my father. Getting the pixel 2 for camera (oneplus camera is a letdown for me), fast updates, and to a lesser extent, being able to call on google assistant just by squeezing the phone (hopefully works as advertised)
Maybe in US it's only 100$ more than OnePlus 5,ie 640$ for 64 GB variant. But here in India the same variant costs 940$ !! So I'm gonna stick with my OnePlus 5 and I'm fully satisfied with it.
There is no difference, if you are trying to choose similar OS phones, hardware specs may differ though.
I would prefer buyin iOS device over OP5.
Nope. The cost plus no real upgrade other then screen and camera. Plus I don't think i'd ever go with a small 5 inch screen again. 5.5 is the absolute smallest i'd go (5-5.2" screens are for midget hands). I'm used to 5.7" screens. That being said the Pixel 2 XL would be the comparison and that isn't even an option at around $1000 for the 128gb. That's silly to give up on far far superior battery life, dash charging, never gets hot and overall performance.
The OP said 3 years of updates... nope 18 months and another 18 months for security patches not updates. Also, you do know that every other SD 835 is clocked slower then the OP5, 2.35ghz compared to 2.45ghz in the OP5 and runs cooler.
i like the pixel, but i hate the finger print in the back..if oneplus 6 changes the finger print, i'll not buy it either...
I'm on the fence about coming back to samsung. I'm so used to being rooted and doing what i want but i hear now you can do most of that now without root. Main thing is blocking ads throughout the ecosystem and blocking apps from accessing the internet.
Will i gain more than i loose upgrading to the S10 plus?
Come back just for the OneUI .
It's a game changer.
Thank you Samsung.
Not that informative but thx?
I came from a 3XL and I went back to the 3XL. The hardware is great (except the fingerprint sensor, it stinks), but the software just doesn't work for me. Every time I give the S10+ another try I'm just annoyed with it. The Pixel experience is just better for me. My S10+ has been relegated to backup phone status.
disappointed, stay with the 2XL. battery life worse, smoothness of the software are worse. pixel experience is the best.
Sorry for kicking this topic but I'm curious about your experiences.
I have been using a Pixel 2 XL for 1,5 years now (and Nexus 6P, 5X, 5 before) and moved to a S10 3 weeks ago. I honestly don't know for sure whether I am going to stick with the S10 or not. It has it's advantages; especially the wide angle camera is one, but also memory management is much better. I never did a factory reset on my Pixel 2 XL though and went from Android 8 > 8.1 > 9 > 10 so that might be better after a reset.
I have tested several apps and actions but they are equal in terms of speed. The volume rocker of the S10 is located so annoyingly high it irritates me nearly every day and it is also on the incorrect side. I am used to the fingerprint scanner in the display and don't think it is better or worse. I tested the S10 one next to the one of the 2XL and the display of the S10 usually wakes up quicker. Battery life is comparable (I think) and of course the S10 is smaller, which is also an advantage. But the main camera is worse (especially sharpening and noise reduction are way, way too agressive) and some of the apps you can't change. I am using an Exynos version, but I don't think that will make much of a difference. Oh and why the hell are there so many holes in this thing at the bottom?
Anyone who made the same step from a Pixel 2 XL > S10 who'd like to share their experience?
I went from 2xl to Xperia 1 to S10. I loved my 2xl and I also liked the Sony but bought S10 for two reasons. Dual SIM which I need for work and size. I simply don't get why the phones have to be absolutely huge these days, S10 has a perfect size for me. I love stock android so had to make few adjustments to the UI but that's not a big issue. Camera is comparable to 2xl although not had much time to play with it yet. Battery life sucks at the moment but again, still early days, hopefully it'll get better.
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Folks (not just here on XDA) but even generally are asking the normally-understandable question - how relevant is the (long in the tooth) original Pixel that is three years old?
As someone that owns a Pixel 3a himself, and saw his mom purchase a refurbished original Pixel, I am in a position to actually answer that.
1. Unlike three-year-old devices from anybody else (except Apple), you can still get current firmware for them. (Heck, that's gotten to be untrue of even three-year-old Apple iPhones - how many iPhones got booted to the curb with the current version of iPhoneOS?) Mom's Pixel has Pie installed (and could have gone to Q - following my own 3a) - the difference is strictly personal preference.
2. The price is still sane. (Mom's refurbed Pixel was $109USD - on Amazon - and from a quality refurbisher - BuySpry of Gaithersburg, MD.)
3. Given the two points above, you can take them to any carrier - anywhere in North America. (Naturally, thesame is just as true of new Pixel 3a and 3a XL phones; I took mine to Tracfone, after all.)
Can't afford a new phone - get a quality refurbed Pixel instead.
Well, the phone itself could be good but google screwed up!!!
1 Software support 3 years is good? You kidding? Apple has 5 year support. Even Iphone 6s has got latest firmware that's released a year before our OG pixel. And will receive another update whereas pixel last firmware is Android 10.
2 Pixels just have too much problems!!! They die out of nowhere for example latest pixel death https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel/help/boot-past-google-logo-white-screen-t3959968 Everyone knows that 128 GB pixels with toshiba chips are prone to die. Audio chips die on pixels, heck even the best thing on this phone camera has problems, on some pixels pictures come out blurry on edges because of rear glass (In later pixel 2 and 3 camera lens is isolated from rear glass). Verison models have disabled bootloader unlocking, you still can unlock bootloader on first gen verizon, but not on 2 & 3. If you do not have unlocked it on pixel 1 and OS corrupts itself you are screwed. Also if you unlock it and relock without being 100% stock you have a brick. Many people here have done this Their pixels turned into bricks.
If you have pixel released before 2017 january you get at minimum 20$ from google and if your pixels has audio problems you get upto 500$ from google. They knew about this issue, just did not care.
I hate apple and iphones, but their phones seem to be much better in build quality and longevity then google pixels. Nexus line was much better at this!
matusala said:
Well, the phone itself could be good but google screwed up!!!
1 Software support 3 years is good? You kidding? Apple has 5 year support. Even Iphone 6s has got latest firmware that's released a year before our OG pixel. And will receive another update whereas pixel last firmware is Android 10.
2 Pixels just have too much problems!!! They die out of nowhere for example latest pixel death https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel/help/boot-past-google-logo-white-screen-t3959968 Everyone knows that 128 GB pixels with toshiba chips are prone to die. Audio chips die on pixels, heck even the best thing on this phone camera has problems, on some pixels pictures come out blurry on edges because of rear glass (In later pixel 2 and 3 camera lens is isolated from rear glass). Verison models have disabled bootloader unlocking, you still can unlock bootloader on first gen verizon, but not on 2 & 3. If you do not have unlocked it on pixel 1 and OS corrupts itself you are screwed. Also if you unlock it and relock without being 100% stock you have a brick. Many people here have done this Their pixels turned into bricks.
If you have pixel released before 2017 january you get at minimum 20$ from google and if your pixels has audio problems you get upto 500$ from google. They knew about this issue, just did not care.
I hate apple and iphones, but their phones seem to be much better in build quality and longevity then google pixels. Nexus line was much better at this!
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1. How many 3 year old or longer iPhones are capable of running the current (non-beta) iPhoneOS?
2. And iPhones (of the same age) don't have problems? I'm not saying that Pixels (or any age) are problem-free; I know better than that. (The same is true of any device - even iPhones and iPads.)
3. Your point is "seems" - how much of that is that the userbase is more willing to give Apple a pass than they are willing to give ANY other ODM - even (if not especially) Google. I support iPhones and iPads as well - not just Android hardware.
Then there is the cost of buying in to the Apple ecosystem - the hardware cost especially, in terms of used hardware - that is the BIGGEST problem with the Apple ecosystem vs. Pixels (I'm talking hardware of the same age). I don't "hate" Apple - in terms of either hardware OR software - if I did, I wouldn't support either one. However, it is flunking the "value" test - and especially at the three year old end (where the original Pixel and Pixel XL are). Further, I made plain that I don't recommend hardware from any OTHER Android ODM at that age - and for the very reason I made plain in my post; the support is not there!
(Yes; Samsung falls down here as well - and I don't hate Samsung, either; I came to the 3a from an S7 (of the Snapdragon sort) - now in honorable retirement. In addition, there is a LOT of non-Android Samsung hardware here - all of the household TVs (except one) and one of our two refrigerators; and considering I'm in the United States (not Europe OR Asia), the dominance of Samsung is earned.
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1. How many 3 year old or longer iPhones are capable of running the current (non-beta) iPhoneOS?
2. And iPhones (of the same age) don't have problems? I'm not saying that Pixels (or any age) are problem-free; I know better than that. (The same is true of any device - even iPhones and iPads.)
3. Your point is "seems" - how much of that is that the userbase is more willing to give Apple a pass than they are willing to give ANY other ODM - even (if not especially) Google. I support iPhones and iPads as well - not just Android hardware.
Then there is the cost of buying in to the Apple ecosystem - the hardware cost especially, in terms of used hardware - that is the BIGGEST problem with the Apple ecosystem vs. Pixels (I'm talking hardware of the same age). I don't "hate" Apple - in terms of either hardware OR software - if I did, I wouldn't support either one. However, it is flunking the "value" test - and especially at the three year old end (where the original Pixel and Pixel XL are). Further, I made plain that I don't recommend hardware from any OTHER Android ODM at that age - and for the very reason I made plain in my post; the support is not there!
(Yes; Samsung falls down here as well - and I don't hate Samsung, either; I came to the 3a from an S7 (of the Snapdragon sort) - now in honorable retirement. In addition, there is a LOT of non-Android Samsung hardware here - all of the household TVs (except one) and one of our two refrigerators; and considering I'm in the United States (not Europe OR Asia), the dominance of Samsung is earned.
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1 I did not write it out of nowhere. My sister has iPhone 6s and it works well on latest iphone firmware
2 Again i am not saying that, but Pixels have much more problems. Everyone knows this here. 128 GB models, speaker, cameras and so on. Iphones are more reliable. Pixel 2 is better but first gen google really screwd up!
3 I am not defending apple i do not like that company, but software is on higher level there. At least you do not get this ****ing ads EVERYWHERE and viruses DIRECTLY from play store. Their software is wayy ahead of android in that. But android is open source and that is why i am able to use latest version of android on my Nexus 4 & 5 which are from 2012 and 2013 respectively.
Now i am never going to have ANY apple products but you should give them a credit where it's due.
iPhones aside the pixel is still relative as a daily driver as in messaging, socials, calls, texts, email and browsing.
I have pie on a nexus 4 but I wouldn't use it out of choice as a daily driver, it's purely a back up device, it's dated.
I paid £150 for my pixel back in january, I'll get another year or so out of it on a custom ROM and then it will either get left in a drawer or binned depending on the battery.
It's a personal preference, I had the nexus 5x and 6p and both went blod but I bought another 5x as it was a cheap, sensible usable phone which is how I see the pixel now.
Just my opinion.
I had $100 to spend on a phone. Been looking all around to get a phone with good camera. So i bought a google pixel for $85. The BEST camera you can get for under $100!
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gingerboy92 said:
I had $100 to spend on a phone. Been looking all around to get a phone with good camera. So i bought a google pixel for $85. The BEST camera you can get for under $100!
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I'm not saying that the Pixel camera (any Pixel) is bad - I know better. (The Pixel 3a's camera is - easily - THE best camera I have ever owned OR used.) However, that isn't why I bought - or recommend - the Pixel 3a in particular (or Pixels as phones in general).
Here are my "Pixel points"; they apply to Pixels in general with the sole exception of the Pixel 4 (due to its price expectations).
1. Pixel pricing is sane.
2. Unless you purchase a carrier-specific model (and there is exactly zero reason to do that), you can take it to any carrier.
3. You can go to Android 10 - fresh from Google - from the jump. (Yes - even on the original Pixel.)
4. In addition to the camera, it has one of the best AMOLED displays of any device. (Shocking but true fact - when watching videos, given a choice between my PC - connected to 32" of TV display - or my Pixel 3a - the 3a wins most of the time. It's not JUST the AMOLED display, it is said display's HDR support - not exactly commonplace at the sane end of the price curve.)
As to how LITTLE the camera mattered, in my initial responses to Pixel reviews, I used the "#whatcamera?" hashtag - the camera mattered THAT little. Length and strength of support mattered - enough to boot the S10e out of the purchase matrix - and I actually had hands-on time with it (but not with the 3a) before hitting the "Buy" button.
Lastly, the usual reasons for needing to root don't exactly apply to Android 10, either. I am choosing NOT to root my 10 install. I can - but why? I ran without root starting with beta 3, and realized that there has to be a reason TO root - and with 10, there mostly isn't.
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I'm not saying that the Pixel camera (any Pixel) is bad - I know better. (The Pixel 3a's camera is - easily - THE best camera I have ever owned OR used.) However, that isn't why I bought - or recommend - the Pixel 3a in particular (or Pixels as phones in general).
Here are my "Pixel points"; they apply to Pixels in general with the sole exception of the Pixel 4 (due to its price expectations).
1. Pixel pricing is sane.
2. Unless you purchase a carrier-specific model (and there is exactly zero reason to do that), you can take it to any carrier.
3. You can go to Android 10 - fresh from Google - from the jump. (Yes - even on the original Pixel.)
4. In addition to the camera, it has one of the best AMOLED displays of any device. (Shocking but true fact - when watching videos, given a choice between my PC - connected to 32" of TV display - or my Pixel 3a - the 3a wins most of the time. It's not JUST the AMOLED display, it is said display's HDR support - not exactly commonplace at the sane end of the price curve.)
As to how LITTLE the camera mattered, in my initial responses to Pixel reviews, I used the "#whatcamera?" hashtag - the camera mattered THAT little. Length and strength of support mattered - enough to boot the S10e out of the purchase matrix - and I actually had hands-on time with it (but not with the 3a) before hitting the "Buy" button.
Lastly, the usual reasons for needing to root don't exactly apply to Android 10, either. I am choosing NOT to root my 10 install. I can - but why? I ran without root starting with beta 3, and realized that there has to be a reason TO root - and with 10, there mostly isn't.
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Not sure why you replied like that. He was supporting your argument. FYI, Verizon versions of Pixels can be taken to any carrier. There is no difference except for locked bootloader, and Verizon Pixel 1 has a workaround.
matusala said:
Well, the phone itself could be good but google screwed up!!!
1 Software support 3 years is good? You kidding? Apple has 5 year support. Even Iphone 6s has got latest firmware that's released a year before our OG pixel. And will receive another update whereas pixel last firmware is Android 10.
2 Pixels just have too much problems!!! They die out of nowhere for example latest pixel death https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel/help/boot-past-google-logo-white-screen-t3959968 Everyone knows that 128 GB pixels with toshiba chips are prone to die. Audio chips die on pixels, heck even the best thing on this phone camera has problems, on some pixels pictures come out blurry on edges because of rear glass (In later pixel 2 and 3 camera lens is isolated from rear glass). Verison models have disabled bootloader unlocking, you still can unlock bootloader on first gen verizon, but not on 2 & 3. If you do not have unlocked it on pixel 1 and OS corrupts itself you are screwed. Also if you unlock it and relock without being 100% stock you have a brick. Many people here have done this Their pixels turned into bricks.
If you have pixel released before 2017 january you get at minimum 20$ from google and if your pixels has audio problems you get upto 500$ from google. They knew about this issue, just did not care.
I hate apple and iphones, but their phones seem to be much better in build quality and longevity then google pixels. Nexus line was much better at this!
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Lets try compare:
1. Talking bout upgrade, the iphone never ever get latest new feature, for example night sight from pixel 3, og pixel still get it.
2. That is hardware problem, conditional. Verizon? Are you kidding me? Thats diff product, just buy full unlockable.
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Lets try compare:
1. Talking bout upgrade, the iphone never ever get latest new feature, for example night sight from pixel 3, og pixel still get it.
2. That is hardware problem, conditional. Verizon? Are you kidding me? Thats diff product, just buy full unlockable.
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NightSight turns out to be a software update - merely go to Camera 7.1 on any Pixel.
The same has turned out to be the case with most of the software related leaks - if not all of them.
The single-carrier issue is not just Verizon - it is in any country the restriction exists, such as the UK.
That is why I recommend the full unlockable. There is no longer a penalty fir doing so.
This is my taking on OP post.
1. We are on XDA. Software update was never a problem. Lineage are always there. Even my S3 i9300 still alive.
2. Price here rn on my country is crazy cheap. I myself got OG pixel before pixel 3 launch below 200 usd. It's really hard to see someone with a phone that are not Huawei, Samsung, Xiaomi or iPhone. Even OnePlus is really not popular here.
3. 90% phone sell here are not bound by carrier. Unlocked.
4. Yes, pixel do have it's own problem. Just about 3 month ago, my vibrator motor just died.
I own a 5" OG Pixel 32GB.
I missed the pissing match. I take it no one one, as usual?
I have a Pixel and Pixel XL 128gb, and after the recent Google camera port that allow SuperResZoom, I'm going back to the Pixels as my daily driver. The photo quality from the Pixel is so good, I can't justify shelling out a thousand dollar for the latest devices.
The main problem with these phones is the battery life. You can replace the battery yourself, but it can be difficult and easy to break the screen if you're not used to it. And make sure the microphone is working because that was one of the design flaw. The call quality isn't great with this phone. Other than that every else run great. I love the finger print scanner as opposed to face unlock of the newer devices.
I might consider the 3a if it goes on sale nearer to $200 this Black Friday.
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This is my taking on OP post.
1. We are on XDA. Software update was never a problem. Lineage are always there. Even my S3 i9300 still alive.
2. Price here rn on my country is crazy cheap. I myself got OG pixel before pixel 3 launch below 200 usd. It's really hard to see someone with a phone that are not Huawei, Samsung, Xiaomi or iPhone. Even OnePlus is really not popular here.
3. 90% phone sell here are not bound by carrier. Unlocked.
4. Yes, pixel do have it's own problem. Just about 3 month ago, my vibrator motor just died.
I own a 5" OG Pixel 32GB.
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You are right
I just bought an OG Pixel 128gb today for rm460 in a local shop(online can get much cheaper I know).
I thought to myself I needed an affordable phone, ofcourse Xiaomis was on my mind but low end Xiaomi had unusable camera. This is the first time I've used a Pixel and coming from iPhone XR I'm really impressed with GCAM especially NightSight. Pixel > Xiaomi Redmis anyday unless you prefer your Mobile Legends and won't mind a terrible low light camera.
Oh yeah I'm really impressed with everything but very disappointed with the battery life...any tips of custom ROM to extend the battery life?
What I Had Been Saying bout Pixels in General (exception - Pixel 4)
funtikar said:
You are right
I just bought an OG Pixel 128gb today for rm460 in a local shop(online can get much cheaper I know).
I thought to myself I needed an affordable phone, ofcourse Xiaomis was on my mind but low end Xiaomi had unusable camera. This is the first time I've used a Pixel and coming from iPhone XR I'm really impressed with GCAM especially NightSight. Pixel > Xiaomi Redmis anyday unless you prefer your Mobile Legends and won't mind a terrible low light camera.
Oh yeah I'm really impressed with everything but very disappointed with the battery life...any tips of custom ROM to extend the battery life?
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The exception I pointed to was the Pixel 4 - the two reasons were the price AND the Soli/facial-recognition. (Why those two? Soli drives the facial recognition - which has a flaw - which is not present in fingerprint recognition - which is in every other Pixel.) Worse - what ODM is a big investor in the facial-recognition space? Apple. Basically, the Pixel 4 is an Android iPhone - with a price to match. No frigging thank you!
Other Pixels - and especially the 3a? Sensibly priced. Take them to any provider - anywhere on the planet. The Camera app is growing on me; in fact, I've found a NEW use for it - documenting purchases. That deadly Google Camera app is ideal for taking pictures of receipts (remember, those snaps show up in Google Photos, which is also accessible away from the phone).