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Stock vs Lineage ROM

Considering modifying stock HTC 10 with Lineage. I don’t use Google. Unfortunately that’s tied to Pay by phone. The only feature I miss. Other than that what benefits do people find going through the root/install Lineage option? Sprint makes it difficult due to firmware, but I can deal with that if there are enough payoffs. Reasons to install Lineage these days?

I love using LOS and it is the pinacle of ROMs for any phone. For Sprint and HTC there are a few different options that you can use with this phone. However if you are new to phone modding and rom flashing, I would approach this topic gently and start with something more fundamental. OMJ makes great stock roms for your phone that you may want to try flashing first just to learn. Moving to lineage os will take quite a bit more knowledge and practice with ROM flashing and phone modding. You will have to have sunshine first of all and you will have to have modded your firmware to go straight to LOS. If you are comfortable with those things, LOS 15.0 for example will take the stock rom size of 3.2gb down to about 450mb for a bare bones aosp stock rom. I love LOS and it is where I want to be with my devices for unbloated roms without any bloat. They are fast, snappy, have great battery life, unlocked tether, and you will reap the benefits of having a bloat free rooted and unlocked device without all that sprint spamware. Using a tool like magisk or xda on a pure android phone unlocks tremendous potential and many options for your device like audio engine mods, theming, gps spoofing, the options are limitless. Let me know if you have any specific questions and I will do my best to help.

Well, I'm not new to flashing ROMs. Would i still be able to use Pay? I realize i'd need a slim version of Gapps. This is the only feature i'd like to keep. I don't use it, have used it and it's quite useful in case i lose my wallet. Know what i mean?

I mean, i've done quite well without Google. Here's my apps...without ever logging into a G sccount.

Well, I've taken the first steps. Unlocked bootloader, Installed TWRP and rooted. Seems phone makers have made ROM installs more complicated these days. What's a good source for getting around the firmware issue on these sprint phones when installing Lineage? Is there a good solid tutorial? I mean, the Lineage OS site is good, but points out the firmware issue and says to search XDA. I can't seem to find a simple tutorial on that aspect. Thx.
Oh, also... I'm no longer on Sprint with this phone. I've had them unlock the sim and I'm on Simple Mobile. Does that make a difference? Is this still considered a Sprint phone as far as flashing goes?

OK, I installed Lineage OS. Weird that Oreo version isn't available. Anyhow. Everything seems to work fine except home button/Reader. Not a deal breaker as onscreen buttons work fine. Is this because I'm on different firmware? I'm on stock Oreo firmware?

Great to hear that your making progress with no hiccups. I'm just patiently waiting for the Pi update for lineage on this device. Now if you want root, you can flash magisk and even start playing around with substratum to do some theming!

Thanks. Does your home button/reader work?
I guess the issue could have been avoided if I'd RUU'd back to N before installing Lineage. Are there any other issues I might have? If not, I can live with onscreen buttons and wait patiently for Lineage on Oreo update.

Well, that didn't last long. I was getting the dreaded password upon entering recovery. When backing up I noticed could not mount data. So I've taken the plunge and installed unofficial lineage for 8.0. Seems okay. Got my home button and fingerprint reader back.

KEB64 said:
Well, that didn't last long. I was getting the dreaded password upon entering recovery. When backing up I noticed could not mount data. So I've taken the plunge and installed unofficial lineage for 8.0. Seems okay. Got my home button and fingerprint reader back.
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At least it keeps you off the streets!
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Hahaha

Well, I'm back on Official 14.1
I need my speakers and there are too many crashes for me to use 15.1 as a daily. I do understand that 15.1 is not even beta yet. That guy has obviously done quite a bit of work. Nice to see the HTC 10 has not been forgotten.

Recommendation

NEED rom Recommendation Battery+Performance+Customization (if possible)
Doesn't matter if its oreo or pie based
Currently On Stock Oreo January Security patch
Performance is Not Good,Battery hardly survives
3hrs on screen Time

3 hours screen on time - battery needs replacement. Its just 10 bucks. Get a new battery for 10 bucks and swap it or get used to run everywhere around with a powerbank connected to your phone.
I got 2 days with fresh battery and latest stable LineageOS image clean installed (with ./flash-all.sh and TWRP)

@abdullahk6809
Alright, so i figured it would be easier to post via my computer rather than my phone.
TLDR : If you don't want to read all of this then stick with 8.1 roms for the best battery life and no issues. Cr droid and Resurrection Remix both posted their final 8.1 builds and both have run flawlessly for me. The same goes for AICP and AFAIK they are still merging up stream changes though minor with their weeklies.
As far as 9.0, we do not have official support, so it's still being worked on to get the best experience/no issues. AICP 9.0 has worked out the best for me with 9.0 then followed by Resurrection Remix.
There is a huge thing you need to be aware of if you're not already, that being our 9.0 roms currently use two different types of encryption. AOSIP, AICP, Resurrection Remix, CR Droid all use full disk encryption. (FDE) which is the same encryption we have always used. For that you just use the offical TWRP. All of the 9.0 stock roms currently are using file based encryption(FBE) and for that you need to use a specific TWRP that was made for it, and if you are currently on FDE (which you are) you need to format data after flashing the rom, meaning you will WIPE ALL OF YOUR INTERNAL. IF you decide to go back to an 8.1 rom, or try one that uses FDE, you will need to do the same process. Switch back to the offical TWRP, and format data after you flash the rom. If you go to FBE and stay on it, then you do NOT need to format data/switch twrp going one from FBE rom to another FBE rom, or updating the current rom.
So when choosing what to flash, you need to read the OP of each rom and know which encryption it uses, or it will not boot. Roms that run FBE AFAIK always have the twrp needed linked in the OP.
With 9.0, as i said, it is still a work in progress since we have lost official support. So if you read the threads some people are reporting issues with calls, Volte, issues with whatsapp etc.. So read the threads at least the last 15 or so pages to see if people are currently having issues. Like i said previously i could tell you to go flash x rom, because it works the best for me. But then you have issues because you use whatsapp and can't send voice messages or w/e and i don't use it. With people using the device for different reasons, you need to take time to see what works for you versus just a one word answer that will work for you.
A lot of people are having issues with 9.0 because of battery life, but I do not see a huge decrease in battery life, but i don't use battery killing apps like face book, whatsapp, or play games or anything. If you really are only getting 3 hours SOT you might want to see what is using your battery via better battery stats or gsam, because it's possible apps could be doing it, and no rom will change that. If you find out that no rouge apps are really killing your battery, as was just stated, depending on how old the device is, you might need a new battery. This phone is a good device but they used pretty ****ty components on it, thanks China. I myself have not had battery issues but i bought my device like three or four years ago, some devices are older.
Anyways, that's about all i can really offer for advice, i don't spend nearly as much time on this forum as i used to because i end up getting into confrontations with people that spread misinformaation, or refuse to follow simple courtesy that are not rules such as asking for eta's etc..
If you end up having any questions i might be able to answer, send me a PM. It might take me some time to respond as i don't use the app as much as i used to, but i'm always willing to answer even the dumbest question when asked via private message.

Lawlrus said:
@abdullahk6809
TLDR : If you don't want to read all of this then stick with 8.1 roms for the best battery life and no issues. Cr droid and Resurrection Remix both posted their final 8.1 builds and both have run flawlessly for me. The same goes for AICP and AFAIK they are still merging up stream changes though minor with their weeklies.
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Hi Lawlrus, I'd just like to have a stable rom. Like you said 8.1 rom might be my best choice, but RR has stopped updating the 8.1 version so what I worry about is it's lacking security patches.
So would you suggest some roms that's stable and and getting updates as well ?
What I might need is :
1. dark theme 2. night light (blue light filter) 3. probably fling nav bar

Need an advice from fellow users

Hello everyone , it's my first time doing a thread in this forum , i hope i contribute in this community a lot in the future.
So i ordered a Max Pro M1 and it will arrive in a week , before that i really did my research on every update that Asus provided this phone since may 2018, the problem is since last month and the pie update, many users didn't seem quite happy with the performance of the software , so is there any chance i can have just the updates without the Pie upgrade? and do you recommend if i install another ROM ?
Thank you for reading and i will really be happy if you give me your opinion on the matter. ?

Just update the phone as usual, but when it tells you there's a Pie update, don't install it. Besides, Pie hasn't arrived until now. It's been released before but it was pulled back because it was very unstable.
Personally, when I buy this device (I plan to) I'll just go ahead and install a custom ROM. I mean, that's the reason I get an Android phone, to be able to customise the software.

I am staying on Oreo. Last version is 340 and it is also considered the best version. My colleague bought this phone last week and received 340 update too, so I think that Pie (050) is not in distribution for now.

Any way to remain on stock, but get the security updates?

I've use ROMs in the past, but never with the Essential phone. In fact my phone has run so well, I've never even factory reset it a single time, let alone put a ROM on it. But with Essential gone, I need a way to keep my phone secure.
I'm wondering what the best way to keep stock android (nothing wrong with stock) but allow myself to get the latest android updates as they come out. In looking at the ROMs there still seems to be some issues with bugs, and since this phone is my daily driver, I'd like it to be as stable as possible.
So is there:
1) A way to get the PH-1 on stock, but still get the important security updates somehow?
2) A rom available (even if android 9) that works for PH-1 that would be super stable but also get all new security updates?
Thanks in advance for any help.

holodude said:
I've use ROMs in the past, but never with the Essential phone. In fact my phone has run so well, I've never even factory reset it a single time, let alone put a ROM on it. But with Essential gone, I need a way to keep my phone secure.
I'm wondering what the best way to keep stock android (nothing wrong with stock) but allow myself to get the latest android updates as they come out. In looking at the ROMs there still seems to be some issues with bugs, and since this phone is my daily driver, I'd like it to be as stable as possible.
So is there:
1) A way to get the PH-1 on stock, but still get the important security updates somehow?
2) A rom available (even if android 9) that works for PH-1 that would be super stable but also get all new security updates?
Thanks in advance for any help.
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Don't want to be rude, but here's the answer:
1. None
2. None

chanh2018 said:
Don't want to be rude, but here's the answer:
1. None
2. None
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I could have sworn I saw something that basically said you can download the latest stock version (that includes security updates) and flash it every time there is a new update. But I guess I could have misunderstood?

holodude said:
I could have sworn I saw something that basically said you can download the latest stock version (that includes security updates) and flash it every time there is a new update. But I guess I could have misunderstood?
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That was the case until Essential went out of business - you could do OTA updates, or download and flash yourself. The stock security updates were only provided by Essential, and the Feb 2020 update was the last one for this phone...

holodude said:
I could have sworn I saw something that basically said you can download the latest stock version (that includes security updates) and flash it every time there is a new update. But I guess I could have misunderstood?
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You are correct: Android GSI. Info >here<

aleph23 said:
Android GSI
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And how would that be "remaining on stock", as per the OP?

holodude said:
I could have sworn I saw something that basically said you can download the latest stock version (that includes security updates) and flash it every time there is a new update. But I guess I could have misunderstood?
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No way to stay on stock & get security updates (well you will get some direct from Google ie the Google Play System Update, the last one shown lower down this page
https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/2020-03-01
and can be found in your settings under security, but its only a fraction of patches)
That means your best option is probably the Android 11 GSI when it's out of Developer Preview in a July (?) and hope it's bug free, else Lineage etc .... not that you want custom roms, sorry.

IronRoo said:
No way to stay on stock & get security updates (well you will get some direct from Google ie the Google Play System Update, the last one shown lower down this page
https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/2020-03-01
and can be found in your settings under security, but its only a fraction of patches)
That means your best option is probably the Android 11 GSI when it's out of Developer Preview in a July (?) and hope it's bug free, else Lineage etc .... not that you want custom roms, sorry.
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Basically I'm looking for something safe and stable, whether it is ROM or otherwise. Right now I'm stable, but not safe. So you think my best bet is move to Lineage (to become safe) and then switch to the GSI when it is out of developer preview (and stable)?

From what I have read and asked here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/essential-phone/development/rom-evolution-x-4-1-69-t4073153
This ROM will give you what you are asking for as far as regular security updates are concerned. I have been waiting for Lineage to release an "OFFICIAL" version of Android 10 for our PH-1's but so far nothing. Also I would not mind going on Android 11 but then I do not think that will get monthly security updates either so I am thinking about trying this Evolution ROM out.... I have never worked with a phone with A/B slots so that is my only concern but after reading all the threads I am starting to understand how that works.
Hope this info helps you out.

holodude said:
Right now I'm stable, but not safe.
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Security updates are overrated. ?

SirDigitalKnight said:
From what I have read and asked here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/essential-phone/development/rom-evolution-x-4-1-69-t4073153
This ROM will give you what you are asking for as far as regular security updates are concerned. I have been waiting for Lineage to release an "OFFICIAL" version of Android 10 for our PH-1's but so far nothing. Also I would not mind going on Android 11 but then I do not think that will get monthly security updates either so I am thinking about trying this Evolution ROM out.... I have never worked with a phone with A/B slots so that is my only concern but after reading all the threads I am starting to understand how that works.
Hope this info helps you out.
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You & your big mouth! ?
https://download.lineageos.org/mata
(actually its been out a while, by the looks of it, but no mention here)
I'm the same boat as you, had hoped to flash LineageOS 17 months ago then move to Android 11 in few months time, guess it's decision time now.
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holodude said:
Basically I'm looking for something safe and stable, whether it is ROM or otherwise. Right now I'm stable, but not safe. So you think my best bet is move to Lineage (to become safe) and then switch to the GSI when it is out of developer preview (and stable)?
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Guess for stability & functionality it would have to be LineageOS.
Looks like May version is ver 17.1 (Android 10), not sure how this compares to previous version re bugs/working functions, but that means previous ver is already a month out of date on security )
edit: see this post also
https://forum.xda-developers.com/es...7-1-essential-ph-1-mata-t4066163/post82606687
Also DO NOT use the Essential USB cable & DO NOT relock boot loader!

SirDigitalKnight said:
From what I have read and asked here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/essential-phone/development/rom-evolution-x-4-1-69-t4073153
This ROM will give you what you are asking for as far as regular security updates are concerned. I have been waiting for Lineage to release an "OFFICIAL" version of Android 10 for our PH-1's but so far nothing. Also I would not mind going on Android 11 but then I do not think that will get monthly security updates either so I am thinking about trying this Evolution ROM out.... I have never worked with a phone with A/B slots so that is my only concern but after reading all the threads I am starting to understand how that works.
Hope this info helps you out.
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I'm on EvoX the only thing tht is not t working very well, is tht if u fast forward or rewind on Netflix ur phone reboots, hopefully fixed next update, but I'm happy with this ROM, the touch lag is almost non existence for some reason, glad they managed to fix tht. Also L1 certification is still there. The 360 camera workes better in this Rom for some reason. The best part is the customization though, so much

IronRoo said:
You & your big mouth!
https://download.lineageos.org/mata
(actually its been out a while, by the looks of it, but no mention here)
I'm the same boat as you, had hoped to flash LineageOS 17 months ago then move to Android 11 in few months time, guess it's decision time now.
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Guess for stability & functionality it would have to be LineageOS.
Looks like May version is ver 17.1 (Android 10), not sure how this compares to previous version re bugs/working functions, but that means previous ver is already a month out of date on security )
edit: see this post also
https://forum.xda-developers.com/es...7-1-essential-ph-1-mata-t4066163/post82606687
Also DO NOT use the Essential USB cable & DO NOT relock boot loader!
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Very strange that no one has started a new thread in the Custom ROM section about this... (This being an official release version of Lineageos 17.1) you would think it would be bigger news? There is still only an Unofficial thread... strange..
Anyway IronRoo let me know what you decide to do and how it goes... I am still on the fence as my PH-1 is currently working perfect on stock 10 but it is of course on the Feb 29th security patch... plus I haven't done a custom ROM install since my LG G5 but I hear it is like riding a bike... lol :silly::fingers-crossed:

SirDigitalKnight said:
Very strange that no one has started a new thread in the Custom ROM section about this... (This being an official release version of Lineageos 17.1) you would think it would be bigger news? There is still only an Unofficial thread... strange..
Anyway IronRoo let me know what you decide to do and how it goes... I am still on the fence as my PH-1 is currently working perfect on stock 10 but it is of course on the Feb 29th security patch... plus I haven't done a custom ROM install since my LG G5 but I hear it is like riding a bike... lol :silly::fingers-crossed:
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For LOS, I think we should wait until their server is back, and few more releases come out.
LineageOS 17.1 for Essential is so new, only couple releases, and still in updating state.

chanh2018 said:
For LOS, I think we should wait until their server is back, and few more releases come out.
LineageOS 17.1 for Essential is so new, only couple releases, and still in updating state.
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Yes, many will agree, though I'm OK with giving it a go but I need to buy a new high quality USB cable as kid damaged my Samsung one and have only a cheap 6" one which I'm not sure I trust to flash without bricking phone.

SirDigitalKnight said:
Very strange that no one has started a new thread in the Custom ROM section about this... (This being an official release version of Lineageos 17.1) you would think it would be bigger news? There is still only an Unofficial thread... strange..
Anyway IronRoo let me know what you decide to do and how it goes... I am still on the fence as my PH-1 is currently working perfect on stock 10 but it is of course on the Feb 29th security patch... plus I haven't done a custom ROM install since my LG G5 but I hear it is like riding a bike... lol :silly::fingers-crossed:
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Just did a quick websearch and a few have tried flashing it reddit and here on the 16 thread, and it's suggested wait for next release (first recovery had issue, but now fixed, but next release of ROM should have a few fixes & Lineage build servers are down so not sure when new release will drop)

Ordered OP8Pro, need helpful advice/guidelines

Hello XDA.
Ive spent a few hours now reading OP8P forums, and got some rough idea of what I'm getting my self into.
I bought a OP8P, its coming to me within next 10 days. I bought it brand new from T-Mobile in Croatia (Europe).
This is my first time owning a Oneplus, my current phone is Galaxy S7, before that i had an S5... On these two i got some experience with custom roms, rooting, flashing, twrp.... But i didnt do anything to my phone in the last 2 years, its been stagnant... and the knowledge i gained... well, if you don't use it, you lose it..
It always seemed that oneplus had great support in XDA community, but from all these threads I read in past few hours, i gathered some confusing conclusions.
What i expected when i made the purchase is that I would be able to have a stock up-to-date OxygenOS, with root (magisk), twrp, xposed, banking apps working, youtube vanced, photochrome camera...
But..... seems like i would have to go through a lot of trouble achieveing all of these things, deciding between OOS 10 vs 11, if they're even achievable with some of the knowledge i kept from my samsung days...
So here are a few questions i would like answers for...
1. When i get the phone and start it for the first time, am I going to be running OOS 10 until i manually upgrade?
2. Do you suggest I stay on OOS10 or upgrade to OOS11?
3. If i upgrade to OOS11, can I have any of the stuff i mentioned that i expected?
4. I saw some user saying if I decide to root, i should not be using modified/patched boot.img... Why is that? (btw i don't recall ever doing this back in day, would love some info about it...)
5. Is TWRP possible, whats the new META?
4. Is there anything else i should know before doing anything, also I wouldn't mind if you would explain all this to me like im five years old
Thanks in advance!

I'm a op8pro owner, and I have Magisk (22.0), and root without twrp (no recovery yet suported for android 11 on this device). You have to patch boot.img with Magisk. Not a big head ache.
Photocrom camera not working on 11 as before on android 10, and I tried two existing methods (it works, but no "X-ray" feature).
Since android 11 is in its stable release, new devices should come with it, but not sure.
All apps mentioned, Root and non Root are working just fine,

Thanks for replying.
Could you possibly link the guide which I should follow, and save me from something outdated, since I might not be rooting my OOS11 from inactive slot on OOS10
Thanks again!

datnewnew said:
Thanks for replying.
Could you possibly link the guide which I should follow, and save me from something outdated, since I might not be rooting my OOS11 from inactive slot on OOS10
Thanks again!
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Root OnePlus 8/8 Pro using Magisk & Install OTA Updates after Rooting
A guide on how to root the OnePlus 8/OnePlus 8 Pro using Magisk. Also learn how to install OTA updates on your rooted OnePlus 8 device.
www.thecustomdroid.com

Thanks, just read through it, really simple! thanks!
What do you think are the chances of hardware-based attestation being enabled on my phone? slim chance or?