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According to the article it appears samsung is throwing the towel on Knox. It does make sense given Google's direction and lack of adoption.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bobegan...ixs-knox-the-android-security-saga-continues/
pitchdarkice said:
According to the article it appears samsung is throwing the towel on Knox. It does make sense given Google's direction and lack of adoption.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bobegan...ixs-knox-the-android-security-saga-continues/
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Getting tech news from Fortune is like getting sports news from Better Homes & Gardens. Samsung and Google's cross-licensing deal probably plays in to the following. Just like the death of Samsung Hub and the neutering of M-UX.
Pichai (Google's Head of Android Development) specifically noted that the future Android 5.0's security layer involves Samsung's "contribution" of Knox, a feature that company unveiled last spring as part of its "SAFE" (Samsung for Enterprise) initiative.
Knox principally erects a "container" or sandbox around corporate apps and data to prevent any unauthorized mingling with a users' private, unsecured email, apps and other personal data.http://appleinsider.com/articles/14...erprise-with-android-l-featuring-samsung-knox
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Getting tech news from Fortune is like getting sports news from Better Homes & Gardens. Samsung and Google's cross-licensing deal probably plays in to the following. Just like the death of Samsung Hub and the neutering of M-UX.
Pichai (Google's Head of Android Development) specifically noted that the future Android 5.0's security layer involves Samsung's "contribution" of Knox, a feature that company unveiled last spring as part of its "SAFE" (Samsung for Enterprise) initiative.
Knox principally erects a "container" or sandbox around corporate apps and data to prevent any unauthorized mingling with a users' private, unsecured email, apps and other personal data.http://appleinsider.com/articles/14...erprise-with-android-l-featuring-samsung-knox
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Based on the link you provided, it looks like the KNOX-like security feature will come baked in Android OS? That sucks if it is true.. harder for us to root without tripping something else that warrants (no pun intended) manufacturer to deny warranty work.
This will be good, if Google makes some "rules" for this security feature.
For example if KNOX or "Googlebit" is triggered it could be reset if you are back to locked bootloader and doing a factory reset. That way you can tell that your device is secure again.
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This will be good, if Google makes some "rules" for this security feature.
For example if KNOX or "Googlebit" is triggered it could be reset if you are back to locked bootloader and doing a factory reset. That way you can tell that your device is secure again.
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I think you are right. Having the Knox container and security will probably be useful in the future given the rate and sophistication of hacking nowadays.
Knox reset
I feel I should be able to restore stock firmware to subsequently reset Knox to then do a hardware fault warranty claim. Whilst I've taken the risk triggering Knox when installing Cyanogenmod, the tablet had usability problems on stock, which is why I did this in the first place...
ie: On Cyanogenmod my WiFi is stable, video plays smoothly, no weird jitter in Google Chrome address bar and I have an Exchange email client (KitKat) which doesn't hide some of my folders.
Just read this article
http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/samsung-galaxy-devices-vulnerable-to-keyboard-exploit/story-fn6vihic-1227402233319
Discovered by American mobile security specialists NowSecure, the SwiftKey keyboard that comes pre-installed with a number of Samsung Android devices allows easy access for hackers to attack.
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I was just about to buy a Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge, however there does not appear to be any ROMS that allow Original (ASOP) Android to be installed. Apparently because the CPU Samsung use.
Are stock android ROMS ever going to become available ?
My SM-G925I does not comes with Swiftkey :/ But anyway I thought if you just update the Swiftkey in Play Store, it will be fixed?
I never had swiftkey on any of my galaxy devices I guess it's just one phone provider or more likely a journalist looking for a story
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I believe it should be easy to fix. I cannot try because I have have Swiftkey preinstalled but I believe these are the methods you can try...
1. Update the Swiftkey to the one on Play Store.
2. Disable the Swiftkey application. I believe all non Samsung system applications and some of Samsung's system applications should be able to be disabled. Swiftkey shouldn't be a problem...
3. You are here on xda so chances you will be rooting your phone I assume? If you have root, you can just uninstall it.
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I believe it should be easy to fix. I cannot try because I have have Swiftkey preinstalled but I believe these are the methods you can try...
1. Update the Swiftkey to the one on Play Store.
2. Disable the Swiftkey application. I believe all non Samsung system applications and some of Samsung's system applications should be able to be disabled. Swiftkey shouldn't be a problem...
3. You are here on xda so chances you will be rooting your phone I assume? If you have root, you can just uninstall it.
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Totally overblown vulnerability article today on Swiftkey. Firstly I seriously doubt 600M phones have it. I just checked 8 Samsung phones from various carriers - Sprint, Verizon, US cellular - S3, S4's, S5's, Note 2 and 3's and out of those 8 only one had Swiftkey on it. Easy to uninstall or Freeze if rooted. I take this as a punch back from someone on the Apple fan club finding a minor and hard to exploit vulnerability in android since Apple just got hit big in the last week or so. If you didn't find one of the articles detailing this exploit here's the skinny: It only can be exploited if you are on Wifi and on the same Hotspot or router as a would be hacker. That hacker needs to do some fairly complex stuff to spoof a Swiftkey server and your phone has to be trying to download a language pack update. I'd say there is about a 1 in 600 million chance of that happening
iSheep will find a way to blow things out of proportion to make samsung look bad
It's actually not the SwiftKey keyboard that has the vulnerability. SwiftKey have licensed some if their prediction technology to Samsung and it is actually the stock Sammy keyboard that can be exploited.
Yes. So, If I freeze or uninstall Samsung keyboard, vulnerability should be gone, right? I don't use that keyboard anyway.
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Update: Samsung reached out to us to announce that it will soon patch the vulnerability through Knox. Read the full statement below:
Samsung takes emerging security threats very seriously. We are aware of the recent issue reported by several media outlets and are committed to providing the latest in mobile security. Samsung Knox has the capability to update the security policy of the phones, over-the-air, to invalidate any potential vulnerabilities caused by this issue. The security policy updates will begin rolling out in a few days. In addition to the security policy update, we are also working with SwiftKey to address potential risks going forward.
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Source: Phone Arena
Hi there is already a fix posted by Samsung. You can go to lock screen security in settings then other security settings. Make sure it is on auto update.
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://...sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFKhxsYgn6q9FoAWKdu9YpevXN_Fw
do i get this Updates with a rootet phone?
I've been an iPhone user for years but I've always wanted to move on to Android because of how much more freedom it provides compared to IOS. Jailbreaking was somewhat simple to do but Apple would be quick to patch that out and they are just so restrictive, on top of having weak hardware it was enough for me to want to move on. I've owned my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge for a week now and I'm still getting used to this new OS and so far I'm finding the edge screen to be annoying because the way I hold the phone my skin would touch the edge and it would just make the side bar continuously pull out. Anyways I'm looking to get the most out of my new phone.
1. Is there any way for me to prevent my phone from auto updating? yesterday it said there was an update available and I didnt want to immediately rush into updating on the chance I would be missing out on rooting my device but then a couple of hours later my phone would light up and it would update all my applications as well as the firmware without my consent. As wonderful as that sounds I would prefer to make that choice myself so I dont accidentally update past a firmware where its possible to root. Even after updating is it possible to rollback at all or no? My device is now on 6.0.1 so I hope I'm not too screwed.
2. I have some preinstalled apps I am positive I will never use in my life such as Uber (I drive my own car) and Facebook (I dont have Facebook and dont plan on it anytime soon). I saw options to disable it but I would prefer if it was outright deleted so is it possible? I would like to save on the space that it takes up no matter how minuscule that may be especially on apps that are just dead weight.
My phone is Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge and my service provider is AT&T.
I'm exactly in the same boat as you, having just moved to Samsung/Android after using iphones since it's first release. It feels so great to have the freedom that comes with the S7 Edge.
I too found the edge screen to be annoying, but as soon as I bought my case ( OtterBox Commuter) that issue you describe quickly dissapeared, I beleive any case will deliver the same result, as you'd been griping the actual case and not the edge screen .
There is a way to disable your play store updates through the play store settings.
As far as firmware updates you can control these in the Settings - About options. However I don't beleive that Android updates are there to plug any capabilities of rooting Android, from my understanding as long as the baseband is unlocked, and that will depend on which version of the Edge you have then it will remain rootable regardless of any software updates pushed. However someone with more android experience is probably best to confirm this.
I'm suprised that your device came pre-installed with Uber and Facebook, I had to install them through play store and likewise am able to uninstall them. There is an app called package disabler in the app store but as the name suggests it only disables them which you say you have the option to anyway. I beleive a root will be able to fix that.
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first time android user
To be very honest i did hands on many android smartphone but my love to windows phone always increase respectively
. Do you really think a hard core windows lover its gonna be easy to sift at android .
On the T-Mobile version you can hit postpone when it pops up and then schedule it.
Thank you ih8un for your response. I guess I'll wait until rooting becomes available in order to delete these preinstalled apps.
Can anyone confirm if firmware updates can patch out rooting? If yes how do I disable or prevent firmware updating? I cant seem to find that option anywhere in the settings.
*You have got snapdragon version which have locked bootloader so unless samsung and at&t push out official update that unlock it, it is unlikely your device will get rooted at least not normal method.
1.It is possible but unlikely that new update can make root impossible(assume that your s7 get bootloader unlocked and root by flashing supersu) but if your device get root in special way by using exploits(like jailbreaking ios) update will patch up exploit and disable rooting.
2.Uninstall preinstall app will recover no space for user since system partition has fixed size and separate from data partition.
(Preinstall apps is in system partition. User apps and data is in data partition)
Also once your device is rooted it will list your software as custom and disable ota update.
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@RemixDeluxe couple things.
Package DisablerPro even though they don't uninstall the apps such as Uber it does disable and they won't show up in your folder nor update.
To stop automatic app update go to Playstore settings and check the do not auto update box.
As far as firmware update I took the update so no biggie
Since the bootloader on the G935A ATT is locked down tight I seriously doubt there'll be a root exploit but if someone does find one if you root you won't have to worry about auto updates because the device won't be able to take the OTA.
I use a thin Speck case and Case Mate makes a good case as well and they will eliminate the incidental screen touches.
I've had the Galaxy S series of devices since the S2 and I've got to say in my humble opinion of course you won't find a finer device.
Yes I've owned several other android devices as well.
I've bought the international S7 Edge and that device is fully rootable so if you can come up with the money it's an idea to consider.
Even the Tmobile S7 Edge bootloader is locked down now so that's out of the question.
I hope I've answered some of your questions.
Feel free to hit me up if you have more.
"And on that bombshell!"
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*You have got snapdragon version which have locked bootloader so unless samsung and at&t push out official update that unlock it, it is unlikely your device will get rooted at least not normal method.
1.It is possible but unlikely that new update can make root impossible(assume that your s7 get bootloader unlocked and root by flashing supersu) but if your device get root in special way by using exploits(like jailbreaking ios) update will patch up exploit and disable rooting.
2.Uninstall preinstall app will recover no space for user since system partition has fixed size and separate from data partition.
(Preinstall apps is in system partition. User apps and data is in data partition)
Also once your device is rooted it will list your software as custom and disable ota update.
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I'm confused by your post, I thought rooting the phone was the equivalent to jailbreaking on IOS as in it makes the device open source but by no means is it official by the developers of the OS.
So are you saying I can only disable updates once my phone is rooted? I mean how would I stop it in the first place so I can get root to begin with? sounds like a catch 22.
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@RemixDeluxe couple things.
Package DisablerPro even though they don't uninstall the apps such as Uber it does disable and they won't show up in your folder nor update.
To stop automatic app update go to Playstore settings and check the do not auto update box.
As far as firmware update I took the update so no biggie
Since the bootloader on the G935A ATT is locked down tight I seriously doubt there'll be a root exploit but if someone does find one if you root you won't have to worry about auto updates because the device won't be able to take the OTA.
I use a thin Speck case and Case Mate makes a good case as well and they will eliminate the incidental screen touches.
I've had the Galaxy S series of devices since the S2 and I've got to say in my humble opinion of course you won't find a finer device.
Yes I've owned several other android devices as well.
I've bought the international S7 Edge and that device is fully rootable so if you can come up with the money it's an idea to consider.
Even the Tmobile S7 Edge bootloader is locked down now so that's out of the question.
I hope I've answered some of your questions.
Feel free to hit me up if you have more.
"And on that bombshell!"
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I dont care about applications updating since that doesnt affect the OS in terms of exploits but for firmware updates I want to be able to not update because I imagine Samsung or AT&T (whoever it concerns) would not want their customers to root their devices and have open souce access they arent suppose to have. Maybe I'm too used to Apple stomping out jailbreak and I should ease up with Android updates, this is all new to me so forgive my lack of understanding.
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I dont care about applications updating since that doesnt affect the OS in terms of exploits but for firmware updates I want to be able to not update because I imagine Samsung or AT&T (whoever it concerns) would not want their customers to root their devices and have open souce access they arent suppose to have. Maybe I'm too used to Apple stomping out jailbreak and I should ease up with Android updates, this is all new to me so forgive my lack of understanding.
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Honestly I doubt very seriously if there will be root for the ATT, Verizon, TMO s7 edge. Just like the s6 edge or Note5. There was root for a very short period for the s6 edge but the exploit was patched very quickly. It seems devs aren't even trying to find root for ATT devices since the bootloaders are so tightly locked.
As far as updates to the OS since root isn't available there's no worry about exploits being patched.
It sucks tremendously but the major carriers are more concerned with security than anything else.
Tomorrow my ATT s7 edge is going back to the corporate store and from now on I'll be buying the international versions outright.
I've been lucky since I've had a couple other devices that I was able to sell on Swappa to offset the cost.
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I really wanted to root my device, its half the fun of owning a new device and this really bums me out I may possible never get to experience that.
So am I completely screwed out of rooting or do you think there will be some workarounds in the foreseeable future?
Thanks for keeping me informed.
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I really wanted to root my device, its half the fun of owning a new device and this really bums me out I may possible never get to experience that.
So am I completely screwed out of rooting or do you think there will be some workarounds in the foreseeable future?
Thanks for keeping me informed.
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Never underestimate the xda community even if it looks grim now I'm keeping a positive outlook that us variants will eventually have root. But maybe that's just wishful thinking. But there are plenty of modifications and customization options available to us without the need of root.
I have a couple of requests in regards to some applications if anyone would be generous enough to suggest anything.
1. Are there any applications to get free inapp purchases without root?
2. Anyway to stop ads in apps or while viewing youtube videos? I've tried a few adblockers but they dont seem to do much if anything at all.
3. I used this app on my iPhone called Mewseek which allowed you to download music on the fly and listen to it instantly. Is there any equivalent of that on Android?
What is contained in this update? The Verizon site is very lite on details.
Edit: Took the update.
Just a reminder for everyone to re-enable any disabled apps before updating. Android "optimizes" all the apps after the update.
I'll let you know if there is any weirdness.
any thoughts on it so far?
just got mine
Everything running great. 20 hrs run time. 4 hrs screen on time. Still at 35%. That includes 3hrs of streaming audio of the Royals game. Android usage seems better. Only 14%.
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Everything running great. 20 hrs run time. 4 hrs screen on time. Still at 35%. That includes 3hrs of streaming audio of the Royals game. Android usage seems better. Only 14%.
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How does that compare to your battery performance before the update? On par, I'd guess?
Took it, haven't noticed anything new or any changes, good or bad.
Changes are listed here: http://security.samsungmobile.com/smrupdate.html#SMR-JUN-2016
One thing that is troubling me is now that Verizon seems to be pushing out updates in a timely manner will we ever see root? The devs are waiting for a security hole to exploit and now Big Red is actually patching potential holes on a regular basis.
Rooting these phones is a thing that definitely has a limited life...two years and everyone is lusting after the new "big phone", devs included. It wouldn't take many "patching incidents" to prevent root from ever being achieved.
Now that temp root has been demonstrated as working on an ATT US spec Qualcomm version, I'm kind of kicking myself. They have a ways to go, but it is promising. Hope updating doesn't bite me in the arse.
Link to ATT proof of root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmobile-s7-edge/help/world-galaxy-s7-root-t3396188
Has anyone tried downgrading via San mobile files and Odin? If not, I may try tonight.
FWIW to date Samsung has not blocked downgrades via odin. Assuming they don't change their stance in the near future you should be able to downgrade to a vulnerable version later on if you need.
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FWIW to date Samsung has not blocked downgrades via odin. Assuming they don't change their stance in the near future you should be able to downgrade to a vulnerable version later on if you need.
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Is that true for all variants? Or just Exynos?
ETA: I thought Verizon phones could not be downgraded at all.
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Is that true for all variants? Or just Exynos?
ETA: I thought Verizon phones could not be downgraded at all.
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Snapdragon as well AFAIK, it's at a bootloader level. Snapdragon has extra boot security measures like secure boot and both Snapdragon and Exyonos have dm-verity but that shouldn't affect anything in this instance. An equivalent example would be the "fastboot flash" route on Nexus devices. HTC and others have tried to stop downgrades but Samsung and stock Nexus devices have always allowed downgrading via Odin or fastboot respectively.
I just purchased and activated my s7 edge. It is asking me to update. If I am wanting to root in the future should I not update?
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I just purchased and activated my s7 edge. It is asking me to update. If I am wanting to root in the future should I not update?
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hi I'm very new to this android rooting world. from what I've gathered it's highly useful. I'm looking to root my Samsung s8 sm-g950u can it be done without bricking it. I have a PC Windows 10 to download the needed things. my wife has the one plus 3t. if i stay with android I'm considering my options with phones. I understand the one plus brand and google pixel among some others are very useful.. some being easier to root also more stable than others. all of what I know is through reading. if I do buy another android what the best for a beginner. I'm not looking to over clock. just stream line the phone. gather some useful apps. basically learn have fun and explore.
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hi I'm very new to this android rooting world. from what I've gathered it's highly useful. I'm looking to root my Samsung s8 sm-g950u can it be done without bricking it. I have a PC Windows 10 to download the needed things. my wife has the one plus 3t. if i stay with android I'm considering my options with phones. I understand the one plus brand and google pixel among some others are very useful.. some being easier to root also more stable than others. all of what I know is through reading. if I do buy another android what the best for a beginner. I'm not looking to over clock. just stream line the phone. gather some useful apps. basically learn have fun and explore.
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Sure, you can do it without bricking the phone
But, since S8 is a samsung phone, it is better for you to know the drawback of rooting your phone, mainly because the Knox getting tripped. Some of it (like, secure folder or instant login from browser) will be unable to be used anymore.
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hi I'm very new to this android rooting world. from what I've gathered it's highly useful. I'm looking to root my Samsung s8 sm-g950u can it be done without bricking it. I have a PC Windows 10 to download the needed things. my wife has the one plus 3t. if i stay with android I'm considering my options with phones. I understand the one plus brand and google pixel among some others are very useful.. some being easier to root also more stable than others. all of what I know is through reading. if I do buy another android what the best for a beginner. I'm not looking to over clock. just stream line the phone. gather some useful apps. basically learn have fun and explore.
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If its a US 950 U knox cannot be tripped battery only charges to 80% samsung pay does not work
Also in setting about phone and software information and or base band We need to know what firmware you are running now As root is only possible up to a revision 2 bootloader anything higher cannot be rooted or downgraded to root
Well honestly I won't own another one of these. They can't have tempered glass. I dont really use the features that help these sell. Just looking to remove the bloatware and take more control over the phone. The hardware is nice. I'd rather be using a high end flagship vanilla android.
Baseband version is G950USQS5CRF5.
Sounds like I should be using a android that more root friendly. Which would be better? One plus. LG or google pixel?
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Sure, you can do it without bricking the phone
But, since S8 is a samsung phone, it is better for you to know the drawback of rooting your phone, mainly because the Knox getting tripped. Some of it (like, secure folder or instant login from browser) will be unable to be used anymore.[/QUOTE
I dont use secure folder. Mayne I don't know enough about it to know if I should be if i need to. I really trying use my pc more for things then my phone. So some of these these if i end up rooting or being able to root it. I probably won't miss. Or maybe I'm not anwarw of why I have to be missing them.
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