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[Q] Glossy == Fingerprints everywere?

I just read that the Nexus 4 comes with a "glossy back". I own a Xperia Pro, which is really nice (specially the keyboard), despite its old specs... everything, except for its damn glossy plastic body... I hate that. It is always dirty, with a lot of fingerprints and all greasy.
Will the Nexus 4 suffer the same? Any experience with "a flat glossy back with a peculiar dotted pattern" (as I read somewhere)?

Unfortunately, just looking at the verge video I would say yes, this will be a fingerprint magnet. I carry a microfibre cloth around with me everywhere, mainly for my glasses, but it is useful to give my phone a quick polish every now and then!

JanusDC said:
its damn glossy plastic body
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It's a glass-covered back(gorilla glass 2 like the front). But yes, it will probably have some problem with fingerprint. I wonder if the dotted pattern will reduce the problem

Can't stand fingerprints either. When a carbon fiber skin is available for this phone, I'll go with that.

removed the ASF (pictures inside)

As i did not find any thread about people who actually removed their ASF, i just documented the removal for further use.
Reasons for removing the ASF (Fingerprints, scratches, dust, etc.) have been discussed before, so i won't tell about that again. Sony support even cleared out that removing the ASF does NOT affect the warranty in any way.
Basically, the removal is equal to the Z1. I just took my original Z1C (1), scratched the foil on the upper right corner a bit and began peeling it off. (2)
And YES, the logo comes off with it. To be honest, I don't really care about that. I know it's a Sony-device, so i don't need to read it every time. (3)
The screen doesn't look any different when it's turned off (4), but it seems a bit clearer when activated.(5)
At the first few minutes, swiping felt a bit sticky. I just used a tissue and wiped off the remaining glue. Now it feels pretty snatchy.
I'll have a closer look at the screen look&feel the next days, but i'm not going to buy any other screen protector. Never used them on my prior devices (Desire HD, SGS2, HTC One,..) and never got any hard scratches on the screen.
Hope this helps anwering some questions that come up every time the ASF is discussed.
P.S.: Sorry for the crappy picture quality. Whoever complains next about z1c's camera should try making good pictures using a Blackberry Q10.

I was also told by Sony support removing the ASF doesn't affect the warranty. Go wild!
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I also removed the ASF using an x-acto knife following this YouTube video (specific for Z1c, but same procedure as Z1):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip2kei7BwkA
I then installed the following tempered glass protector, it feels great, and I agree the screen does look a bit clearer:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nillkin-9H-...163?pt=US_PDA_Accessories&hash=item2336b638fb
One word of advice for people following that video, you should try to place a microfiber cloth between the knife blade and the metal trim, or you may nick it. I have tiny (almost indiscernible) scratches on my trim because I didn't think of that before.
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bigxie said:
I also removed the ASF using an x-acto knife following this YouTube video (specific for Z1c, but same procedure as Z1):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip2kei7BwkA
I then installed the following tempered glass protector, it feels great, and I agree the screen does look a bit clearer:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nillkin-9H-...163?pt=US_PDA_Accessories&hash=item2336b638fb
One word of advice for people following that video, you should try to place a microfiber cloth between the knife blade and the metal trim, or you may nick it. I have tiny (almost indiscernible) scratches on my trim because I didn't think of that before.
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I see there in the Ebay listing that this has a piece of glass for the camera itself? Is that right?

alexfrias said:
I see there in the Ebay listing that this has a piece of glass for the camera itself? Is that right?
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I didn't get that exact eBay listing as I'm actually in China now and used the equivalent service here. But, I saw the same screenshots. The back protector isn't actually glass, it's just a plastic one and doesn't over the camera at all. I ended up not putting on the back since it was cut so close to the actual size of the back I couldn't get it aligned that perfectly.
The glass front protector is excellent though.

Just a short update: after removing the asf, the Phantom touch issues increased a lot. No matter how many times I cleared the screen, it went mad about 3 - 4 times a day. So I bought a screen protector from artwizz and installed it yesterday. After 24 hours of use, I didn't have one more touch issue. Seems like it'd fix the Phantom touch problems for me, which is good. Otherwise I would have returned the device pretty soon.
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Can i put tempered glass screen protector on top of ASF? Will that decrease the sensitivity touch?

Not at all decrease sensitivity. I had mine glass on ASF (Without Camera and Sensor cutout), so far no problem with selfie + sensor + touch is as usual.

What glass is underneath? Is it some version of Corning gorilla glass or just "regular" run of the mill digitizer glass?

Is there an ASF film at the back as well? People are reporting that the back is not glass but plastic.

There is supposedly an ASF on the glass version of the back (sold in Jaoan only). The plastic one does not have one I think.
If you want a glass back look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2710603

OP, How has the screen been since you took off the ASF? Any scratches or other issues? How is the touch screen responsiveness?
I am very intrigued by removing the ASF, but once I do, any scratches I might incur are very permanent to the device.

cderrick14 said:
OP, How has the screen been since you took off the ASF? Any scratches or other issues? How is the touch screen responsiveness?
I am very intrigued by removing the ASF, but once I do, any scratches I might incur are very permanent to the device.
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it became VERY sensitive. I noticed that way more ghost touches occoured. I didn't use alcohol to remove the remaining glue afterwards, perhaps this was the problem. But anyways, the screen glas is really resistant. Didn't notice any scratches for the two weeks, i left it this way. Now i have a good looking dulled screen protector on it, which eliminated the ghost touches completely and also keeps the sunlight reflections at a minimum.

toxic_garden said:
it became VERY sensitive. I noticed that way more ghost touches occoured. I didn't use alcohol to remove the remaining glue afterwards, perhaps this was the problem. But anyways, the screen glas is really resistant. Didn't notice any scratches for the two weeks, i left it this way. Now i have a good looking dulled screen protector on it, which eliminated the ghost touches completely and also keeps the sunlight reflections at a minimum.
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Hey,
i just bought a Z1 from eBay and got a lot of ghost touches.I looked around the forum and it seems like that the previous owner of the Z1 has removed the ASF, since there is no logo on the front side of the phone. With those ghost touch issues, the phone is pretty unusable... Did the screen protector fix the issues for you completly? If yes, which one do you use?
Thanks!

One thing that's worth noting that I see hasn't been mentioned:
The ASF is actually deceptively thick. So when you take it off you'll notice the screen is now 'sunken' into the body of the phone with sharp edges on all four sides....not flush as it appears with the film on (or on an iPhone for instance).
Thought might be worth mentioning...I couldn't stand it but some might.

Richylitschy said:
Hey,
i just bought a Z1 from eBay and got a lot of ghost touches.I looked around the forum and it seems like that the previous owner of the Z1 has removed the ASF, since there is no logo on the front side of the phone. With those ghost touch issues, the phone is pretty unusable... Did the screen protector fix the issues for you completly? If yes, which one do you use?
Thanks!
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I used the Artwizz protector (as you are from Hamburg too: Mediamarkt Nedderfeld ) and it eliminated 95% of the ghost touches. I still have them rarely when i use Swiftkey for swiping, but that's most likely more a software- than display-bug.

It really annoys me how easy it is to scratch the asf, I have had the phone for a couple of weeks and I already have a few hair line scratches on the front as well as a bunch on the back. I am glad I like the phone, but man does it kill the re-sell value.
I think I will keep the ASF on for now, and once it gets in rough shape I will remove it and try it without the asf.

toxic_garden said:
I used the Artwizz protector (as you are from Hamburg too: Mediamarkt Nedderfeld ) and it eliminated 95% of the ghost touches. I still have them rarely when i use Swiftkey for swiping, but that's most likely more a software- than display-bug.
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Yeah thanks! Bought it and zero glitches anymore!

Walter_White said:
There is supposedly an ASF on the glass version of the back (sold in Jaoan only). The plastic one does not have one I think.
If you want a glass back look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2710603
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I can confirm this. I took it off yesterday, not sure if I'm entirely happy with the result (took front off as well). It feels nice and is more scratch proof than asf but I think I need something on it with oleophobic coating.

Removed the ASF due to a little scratch. The touchscreen is very very annoying with ghost touches. Also ordered a glass protector, but my advise: leave the ASF on! At least until you have a protector. Its a pretty sh-itty phone now
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Ergonomics (in-hand feel)

Please, no "that's what she said" jokes. Rate this thread to express how you think the Xiaomi Poco F1 feels in-hand. A higher rating indicates that it's comfortable to hold for long periods of time, even in one hand. Resist the urge to say "TWSS" just now. Seriously.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Very comfortable in hand, hardware buttons are well placed, for the finger print scanner, some may have had that concern due to proximity to the camera lens but that fear may not be true as the scanner is recessed a bit and easy to locate.

Included Case
The case I got is very poor quality and can be easily removed not perfect fit. Does anyone have same issue. It's very loose fit feels phone ccan fall from this if you don't hold it tight.

Garshasp007 said:
The case I got is very poor quality and can be easily removed not perfect fit. Does anyone have same issue. It's very loose fit feels phone ccan fall from this if you don't hold it tight.
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This included case is for temporary use until you buy one. At this budget don't expect for the quality, just enjoy the performance of the device :silly:

The in hand feel is great. I have owned Mi4i before, and honestly, i have no issues with the polycarbonate back, it does wonders for gripping, and compensates the weight for that huge battery underneath. My only two grievances with the device are it's weight ( coming from a MI5 here, that was 129 grams), it kinda hurts my hand when using for longer periods of time. And the second is that palm rejection is poor, besides that, its awesome for the price, the buttons feel clicky, and the device stays cool

aditya1999 said:
The in hand feel is great. I have owned Mi4i before, and honestly, i have no issues with the polycarbonate back, it does wonders for gripping, and compensates the weight for that huge battery underneath. My only two grievances with the device are it's weight ( coming from a MI5 here, that was 129 grams), it kinda hurts my hand when using for longer periods of time. And the second is that palm rejection is poor, besides that, its awesome for the price, the buttons feel clicky, and the device stays cool
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In hand feel is just like any other phone out there. You won't feel the unpremiumness that much at all.
But yes the device a bit on the heavier side.
PS: get the screen protector.

Been using the phone for 72 hours now. In the beginning the in-hand feel was quite difficult since i am jumping from a 5.5in and felt heavy too. But now have gotten used to it. The stock case feels and fits quite bad, going for a new one asap.

Can I ask a question that some of you may feel very basic!
sayHello21 said:
In hand feel is just like any other phone out there. You won't feel the unpremiumness that much at all.
But yes the device a bit on the heavier side.
PS: get the screen protector.
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Why should the screen protector be used and by "screen protector" do you mean tempered glass?
If yes,
If it is to prevent scratches, doesn't gorilla glass 3 take care of that?
My nexus 5 had gorilla glass 3. I had used a tempered glass for some days but felt the touch feel inferior and hence removed the tempered glass and didn't have any scratches until the phone died after 2 years because I messed up the battery circuit.
If you mean back cover then I can understand, I had used pu back cover with nexus 5 and it survived 2 falls with that. Poco f1 on the other hand might need a strong body armor, I'm not confident about the glass as it's a taller display and edge to edge 2.5d glass.
Having said that, if the edges of back cover protrude up around the scren and wrap it, so as to protect the screen (as in case of my nexus 5),when placed face down, will the full screen gesture control still work on Poco f1?!

PD2091 said:
Why should the screen protector be used and by "screen protector" do you mean tempered glass?
If yes,
If it is to prevent scratches, doesn't gorilla glass 3 take care of that?
My nexus 5 had gorilla glass 3. I had used a tempered glass for some days but felt the touch feel inferior and hence removed the tempered glass and didn't have any scratches until the phone died after 2 years because I messed up the battery circuit.
If you mean back cover then I can understand, I had used pu back cover with nexus 5 and it survived 2 falls with that. Poco f1 on the other hand might need a strong body armor, I'm not confident about the glass as it's a taller display and edge to edge 2.5d glass.
Having said that, if the edges of back cover protrude up around the scren and wrap it, so as to protect the screen (as in case of my nexus 5),when placed face down, will the full screen gesture control still work on Poco f1?!
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I drop my phone a lot. Me not that much but sometimes my sister or her children get hold of the phone and you can imagine the rest. I have owned 4 phones all broken in the first few months. So any kind of protection is most welcome here. And no I'm not worried about scratches, that'd be silly.
I don't know if the protrusion would be that far up so as to interfere with touch.
Any suggestions how to protect the 2.5d curved edged screen from drops?

sayHello21 said:
I drop my phone a lot. Me not that much but sometimes my sister or her children get hold of the phone and you can imagine the rest. I have owned 4 phones all broken in the first few months. So any kind of protection is most welcome here. And no I'm not worried about scratches, that'd be silly.
I don't know if the protrusion would be that far up so as to interfere with touch.
Any suggestions how to protect the 2.5d curved edged screen from drops?
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I am getting my tempered glass tomorrow, will revert about the impact it has on gestures

watsinaname said:
I am getting my tempered glass tomorrow, will revert about the impact it has on gestures
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I put on a real cheap (₹100) tempered glass which doesn't even cover the whole screen and the touch response is great.

sayHello21 said:
I drop my phone a lot. Me not that much but sometimes my sister or her children get hold of the phone and you can imagine the rest. I have owned 4 phones all broken in the first few months. So any kind of protection is most welcome here. And no I'm not worried about scratches, that'd be silly.
I don't know if the protrusion would be that far up so as to interfere with touch.
Any suggestions how to protect the 2.5d curved edged screen from drops?
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I love rhinosheild bumper case.
Really hope that they have it for poco f1.
Still cant find any bumper case for poco yet...

ronald_loulan said:
I love rhinosheild bumper case.
Really hope that they have it for poco f1.
Still cant find any bumper case for poco yet...
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Rhinoshield and Spigen, if only they made cases for Xiaomi

aditya1999 said:
The in hand feel is great. I have owned Mi4i before, and honestly, i have no issues with the polycarbonate back, it does wonders for gripping, and compensates the weight for that huge battery underneath. My only two grievances with the device are it's weight ( coming from a MI5 here, that was 129 grams), it kinda hurts my hand when using for longer periods of time. And the second is that palm rejection is poor, besides that, its awesome for the price, the buttons feel clicky, and the device stays cool
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Hi, Is the rear of Poco as soft and grippy as the Mi4i? I believe it will be same for all the colored backs, Blue black..
I love phones where you do not need to apply cover and just a screen guard works! (Tantrums of a OPO owner!)

jsanket95 said:
Hi, Is the rear of Poco as soft and grippy as the Mi4i? I believe it will be same for all the colored backs, Blue black..
I love phones where you do not need to apply cover and just a screen guard works! (Tantrums of a OPO owner!)
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Yes, its matt finish, just like the Mi4i. Its not exactly soft, the phone definately slips, but its better than metal and glass. You can use it without a cover, but I reckon the back will pick up scratches, i went for a camouflage skin for the back, makes it grippy and still keeps the phone just as thin( i mean 8.8 mm isn't exactly thin, but with a cover this phone would be hard to hold).
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sayHello21 said:
In hand feel is just like any other phone out there. You won't feel the unpremiumness that much at all.
But yes the device a bit on the heavier side.
PS: get the screen protector.
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Nah. Touch response without one is simply something I am not willing to give up, maybe a matt lamination in the future, but nothing for now.

the frame made of plastic or aluminium?

maXDAmn said:
the frame made of plastic or aluminium?
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Plastic with plastic buttons

Hunteres said:
Plastic with plastic buttons
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so, no metal here? because i will try to make a liquid metal mod if it's true :laugh:

maXDAmn said:
so, no metal here? because i will try to make a liquid metal mod if it's true :laugh:
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Nope..all plastic.... Sorry

watsinaname said:
Rhinoshield and Spigen, if only they made cases for Xiaomi
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Actually Spigen will make cases for Poco F1, they confirmed to me yesterday, but they said they don't have an ETA just yet.

OnePlus 6T pre applied protector thin film interference (rainbow effect)?

Hi all,
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Is anyone else seeing some rainbow color shifting on their pre applied plastic screen protector? Here's a picture of mine
https://imgur.com/a/uLGH6m3
It's beginning to bother me a bit. I only see it at certain angles and lighting and mostly when the screen is dark, but since I usually try to black everything out, I often see it. I'm afraid to peel off the protector with nothing else really reviewed on the market. Do we have an idea when an official OnePlus tempered glass protector will come out? Also, does anyone have any experience using the wet-apply protectors on OnePlus devices?
Finally, for those who have gone naked, how have your OnePlus screens held up in the past to scratches?

I do not have this problem - protector is fine

I noticed this same thing on mine, I thought it may be attributed to the in display fingerprint reader.

I may be saying BS, because I don't have the phone (yet): are you sure it is a real screen protector and not just packaging? I have seen that on other phones I had in past.

padule said:
I may be saying BS, because I don't have the phone (yet): are you sure it is a real screen protector and not just packaging? I have seen that on other phones I had in past.
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It's a real screen protector. It comes pre-applied from the factory.
Personally, I took it off after half a day. I've never had a screen protector on a single phone, and I didn't like how the plastic felt vs the actual glass of the screen.
For the OP, I know what you're talking about. I saw a similar rainbow effect with the screen off while I had the protector on it. It didn't bother me, and I didn't think about it again. Now that I've removed the protector, I haven't noticed it. This is more of an anecdotal example, though, as I didn't do any real tests.
On a related note, it's good that OP polarized the screen (and at a 45 degree angle). I hate the rainbow effect that you get on non-polarized screens when looking at them through polarized lenses.
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Finally, for those who have gone naked, how have your OnePlus screens held up in the past to scratches?
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I've gone naked on all phones I've had in the past, from the original Galaxy S to now the 6T. I've never had a scratch on any phone, and the screens have only gotten better over time. Each phone I've had has been dropped every now and then but always without a scratch. The only thing you really need is a case.

I noticed mine doing this right after I bought the phone, the rainbow effect seems to be a slightly different pattern than the OP's. I don't notice it while the phone is on, so it doesn't bother me. It is more noticeable than it appears in this picture though:
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Quality feel (use of materials)

Rate this thread to express how you think the Huawei P30 Pro feels in terms of quality. A higher rating indicates that it feels premium and high-quality (attention to detail is high, manufacturing defects don't exist, etc).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

What kind of gorilla glass it uses on the front and back ?

the oleophobic coating on p30 pro seems to be much batter than on Samsung phones, a LOT less smudges and fingerprints, but then it will depend on how long the coat will last, as it seems Samsung went with a solution that is less effective but lasts a long time, while other phones seem to "run out" after 2-3 months and the coating is worn off.
Overall quality feel is about the same for p30p and my s9+ and note9, I only had s10 in my hands for couple of minutes to compare the latest. Screen curvature is better on on p30p in regard of eye comfort, Samsung narrowed the edges in S9/N9/S10 too much and it getsin the way often, when reading or typing on larger sized gboard keyboard I don't really notice the screen is curved on p30p, but on the other hand samsung has much better handle on the random unwanted touches on the edges when you hold the phone. But that is software related..
I like buttons on Samsung phones better, they are smoother and easier to tuch, too firm on my huawei, and kinda clicky/loud, some people like that, I don't.
Display on huawei has light discoloration on the edges, noticeable only in bright/white colors, but it is still better than not being able to read first and last words on full screen text article when on Samsung.
What is kinda weird for me is that knocking on the display side by side note9 - p30p, the huawei sounds kinda hollow, like the cheap ipad 2017/2018 or old ipad models without laminated screens, yet when I compare the displays up close the display on huawei seems to be even "closer" to you than samsung, thinner glass probably. I think huawei is not using gorilla glass 6 as samsung does on s10, otherwise they would have advertise it as such. 3 of my friends have mate 20/pro, they all complain about horrible micro-scratches on display, but when I inspected it it was the same as on my note 9 - seems to be scrathes on the oleophobic coating only, as with a good clean the display does not show any scratches even on direct sunlight.
Generally, the recent p/mate phones feel as good as any other premium flagship phone. And their selection of back panel colors is the best at the moment, although I was only able to pick the black - breathing crystal was available for 256gb model but I don't need that much storage and wear cases/skins anyway, but if I had my hands on one of the gradient colors, I would probably just wear transparent case on it, it really looks great.

Feels solid and what you'd expect from a premium flagship.
But my God is this device slippery. It was hard to hold as I was scared of it slipping from my hands. And one time the phone just slipped right out of my pocket onto a hard floor. Took it like a champion and didn't have a mark on it.
I'd advise getting a case simply because it's easier to hold

londonhilton said:
the oleophobic coating on p30 pro seems to be much batter than on Samsung phones, a LOT less smudges and fingerprints, but then it will depend on how long the coat will last, as it seems Samsung went with a solution that is less effective but lasts a long time, while other phones seem to "run out" after 2-3 months and the coating is worn off.
Overall quality feel is about the same for p30p and my s9+ and note9, I only had s10 in my hands for couple of minutes to compare the latest. Screen curvature is better on on p30p in regard of eye comfort, Samsung narrowed the edges in S9/N9/S10 too much and it getsin the way often, when reading or typing on larger sized gboard keyboard I don't really notice the screen is curved on p30p, but on the other hand samsung has much better handle on the random unwanted touches on the edges when you hold the phone. But that is software related..
I like buttons on Samsung phones better, they are smoother and easier to tuch, too firm on my huawei, and kinda clicky/loud, some people like that, I don't.
Display on huawei has light discoloration on the edges, noticeable only in bright/white colors, but it is still better than not being able to read first and last words on full screen text article when on Samsung.
What is kinda weird for me is that knocking on the display side by side note9 - p30p, the huawei sounds kinda hollow, like the cheap ipad 2017/2018 or old ipad models without laminated screens, yet when I compare the displays up close the display on huawei seems to be even "closer" to you than samsung, thinner glass probably. I think huawei is not using gorilla glass 6 as samsung does on s10, otherwise they would have advertise it as such. 3 of my friends have mate 20/pro, they all complain about horrible micro-scratches on display, but when I inspected it it was the same as on my note 9 - seems to be scrathes on the oleophobic coating only, as with a good clean the display does not show any scratches even on direct sunlight.
Generally, the recent p/mate phones feel as good as any other premium flagship phone. And their selection of back panel colors is the best at the moment, although I was only able to pick the black - breathing crystal was available for 256gb model but I don't need that much storage and wear cases/skins anyway, but if I had my hands on one of the gradient colors, I would probably just wear transparent case on it, it really looks great.
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Don't use a wet wipe to clean your phone and the coating will last you much longer. I used the P20 Pro for almost 7 months, and the coating didn't wore off one bit. Keep anything that has alcohol in it as far as you can from your phone.

mahawa said:
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I dont think they use gorillaa glass

Screen is super sensitive. Not a single drop not a single mishap and i got a scratch on the screen the size of a fingernail. Quite disappointed on that since i was expecting my screen protector toarrive from day to day to avoid that and the phone is 2 weeks old. Ill probably use the vip service if its covered to change screen

I plan to use jet seal on top of the coating. That prevents scratches and further fingerprinting. I want to keep that breathing crystal beautiful for ages