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I rooted my Aria yesterday, and with the apps i see in the store is there any benefit to running them to either overclock the cpu or to underclock its voltage? im more concerned with keeping it at the same speed, as its snappy enough, but i am curious if its possible to give it less voltage to prolong battery life any longer.
Please share
1. your favorite governor (do you use any different governor on different profiles?)
2. your voltage parameters
3. Your benchmark using quadrant
Thanks
No one wants to play?
Maybe like me, they have no idea what you are talking about
What is a governor?
What voltage do you mean?
My quadrant score is 3900 ish
Thanks for the reply, I don't think I'm good enough to explain but, in a nutshell,
A governor is a a piece of code in the kernel that decides on the cpu speed. each kernel has multiple governors
voltage is where you can decide what voltage is delivered to your cpu at certain frequency. undervoltage will usually help you save battery. we have to pay attention not to go too low or it phone will freeze
download setcpu it will all become clearer
I will give this another bump before letting it die
Even I would be intrested in sharing this
currently I am using CF root with ondemand and its working all good
FM kernel with interactive. I find my phone snappier with this governor. I liked it the most with smartassv2 on Abysssomething (don't remember now) kernel, but too many teething problems with this one, had to revert to FM. I'll give it another shot soon though.
pjm77 said:
FM kernel with interactive. I find my phone snappier with this governor. I liked it the most with smartassv2 on Abysssomething (don't remember now) kernel, but too many teething problems with this one, had to revert to FM. I'll give it another shot soon though.
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Do you use any additional profiles with Interactive?
Nope, I like the way it is.
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Nope, I like the way it is.
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Have you tried InteractiveX? Or, better yet, know the differences between the two? I am currently using smartassv2, FM kernel and have no complaints but would be interested if there was something a bit snappier when opening an app (I still get a bit of lag if I quickly select an app after unlocking the phone).
Yes, I've tried InteractiveX and OndemandX - they're both absolute rubbish (at least from my point of view). Both responsiveness and benchmark results were dismal (2800-3300 quadrant advanced). These are governors for anally retentive battery life lovers. Nothing wrong with that itself but beats the purpose when buying state of the art top shelf performance smartphone IMO.
Good to know. I appreciate the advice. Does that mean you also tried smartassv2 with the FM kernel? Any discernible difference between that and interactive, if you have? And sorry for all the questions but it saves me the trouble of trying them!
I just flashed the 1.3 FM a moment ago. Now running 100-1704 smartassv2, haven't played with voltages yet. Responsiveness in terms of screen scolling, lags & stutters seems better than 200-1400 interactive. Performance in Quadrant Advanced and Nenamark2 seems a tiny bit worse (but I don't really care about that, I use benchmarks only to roughly estimate, smoothness is what I'm after). I can't give you direct sources because I don't remember, but having spent several hours digging last weekend I concluded that for people who put performance slighly over battery life governors to be considered are interactive, smartass(v2), savagedzed and performance. Funny enough - I'm getting consistently worse benchmarks on performance governor on all kernels. I wonder why?
Thanks again. I will play around with some of the governors and settings to find the right fit. I think I will try savagedzen next but I am pretty happy with smartassv2 and may just stick with it.
Handy explanation of most of the governor options available in custom Note kernels: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1369817
AND
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1242323
Smartassv2 and vr. After reading a bit about it they seem to be the best for performance and balanced battery life.
i share with you my SetCPU config, voltage ...
it's very stable for me. It's not performance oriented but battery friendly.
what you think ?
EDIT : I use AbyssNote Kernel 1.2
I'm getting nice results here on FM Kernel 1.3. 1704mHz (1375mV) - 100mHz (775mV), lulzactive governor. 5000-5872 in Quadrant advanced, 32-35 in Nenamark2. Battery life good with low to med usage, poor when playing games, running satnav etc. - hardly a surprise We'll see about stability but so far so good.
This thread is finally picking off ! thank you all
I am currently on FM 1.3 and preferring lulzactive
I don't use any over clocking I guess I don't dare. is it safe?
I think i'm pretty aggressive with under voltage i'm running 1175mv at 1400mhz and 775mv at 200mhz. For some reason my phone freezes any time I use the 100mhz no matter the voltage .
Can you share the whole voltage for a comparison ?
with all this I can hardly get a full day of use with my battery but I guess I'm a pretty heavy on usage. no gaming or anything extensive but wifi-browsing-emails-3g-bluetooth all day
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For some reason my phone freezes any time I use the 100mhz no matter the voltage .
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I read on some other kernel thread that Samsung's implementation of the 100mhz step is incomplete/buggy. That's probably why it doesn't work properly.
I jus t wondering does undervolt really affect our battery life? How does it work?
When choose to undervolt it affect on performance, isn't it? Slower or stuttering when switch apps? With less energy less performance, does it wrong?
If it is, then how underbolt can improve peeformance better? :confuse
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Judging from my experience UV experimentation doesn't affect battery life, and if it does it's definitely by an inappreciable margin. It does substantially reduce heating issues though especially during high-intensity usage (Spotify, GNow, gaming etc). Just don't overdo it or you wind up rebooting repeatedly--"safe" threshold varies by kernel
It also has no effect on performance, it's completely separate from clock speed.
I UV to lower temperature The N4 is very heat sensitive so you'd be wise to UV if possible, the throttle can kick in very quickly on stock, because of the default CPU behavior(mpdecision+ondemand seem to ramp in a ridiculous manner). I am seeing temps in the mid-low 30s thanks to UV and I'm running turbo mode on Faux's kernel.
I found when running Shadowrun Returns with the ElementalX 1.4 kernel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2389022 at 1.944 GHZ the back of the Nexus 7 gets hot. This worried me but I noticed when I installed the kernel was an option to use cool thermal throttling. I tried this and now the tablet does not heat up at all. You need to be rooted though to install the kerne of course not sure if ElementalX 1.4 works with stock though, I'm running the latest CM 10.2 nightly. It doesn't seem to affect the performance of either Shadowrun Returns or Wild Blood, the two games I'm playing at the moment, I still have the GPU overclocked to 487 and the Dalvik etc overclocked at the moderate ElementalX setting. . I think being able to run at 1.944 GHZ on my tablet with the cooler thermal throttling is better then running at stock and I believe that even some running at stock have that issue.
Hope this helps others that have this problem.
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I found when running Shadowrun Returns with the ElementalX 1.4 kernel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2389022 at 1.944 GHZ the back of the Nexus 7 gets hot. This worried me but I noticed when I installed the kernel was an option to use cool thermal throttling. I tried this and now the tablet does not heat up at all. You need to be rooted though to install the kerne of course not sure if ElementalX 1.4 works with stock though, I'm running the latest CM 10.2 nightly. It doesn't seem to affect the performance of either Shadowrun Returns or Wild Blood, the two games I'm playing at the moment, I still have the GPU overclocked to 487 and the Dalvik etc overclocked at the moderate ElementalX setting. . I think being able to run at 1.944 GHZ on my tablet with the cooler thermal throttling is better then running at stock and I believe that even some running at stock have that issue.
Hope this helps others that have this problem.
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That's a good sign as you know the heat is being distributed effectively away from the internals. You don't need to be rooted to flash custom kernel. And setting different governors will have a major impact on your CPU.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28002345
About The Heat At Least I'm Sure My Advice Is Sound.
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That's a good sign as you know the heat is being distributed effectively away from the internals. You don't need to be rooted to flash custom kernel. And setting different governors will have a major impact on your CPU.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28002345
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You might be right about not needing to root to install a custom kernel though I couldn't find a definitive answer in the Nexus 7 2013 forums. I assumed it was needed from using custom kernels on other devices.
My device gets hot while gaming. When you are doing intense gaming like I am I'm sure pretty much any governor will max out the CPU. I know Intellidemand which I use does for sure.
When overclocking, heat is the enemy and it can damage, crash CPUs and even affect the performance of them. I believe if you are concerned about your Nexus 7 heating up (mine does for a good area between the logo and the camera when not using the ElementalX cool thermal throttling) then my advice is good.
Peace.
P.S. How the heck have you done 675 posts since June 2013?
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You might be right about not needing to root to install a custom kernel though I couldn't find a definitive answer in the Nexus 7 2013 forums. I assumed it was needed from using custom kernels on other devices.
My device gets hot while gaming. When you are doing intense gaming like I am I'm sure pretty much any governor will max out the CPU. I know Intellidemand which I use does for sure.
When overclocking, heat is the enemy and it can damage, crash CPUs and even affect the performance of them. I believe if you are concerned about your Nexus 7 heating up (mine does for a good area between the logo and the camera when not using the ElementalX cool thermal throttling) then my advice is good.
Peace.
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Kernel is flashed separately from the ROM. Rooting is only for running apps like Trickster Mod to configure to kernel. Otherwise you can have stock 4.3 ROM with any kernel you want. Heating up will obvious affect performance due to thermal throttling but I was not concerned of damage even when the CPU of my 2012 Nexus 7 got to 80 degrees celsius from running overclocked performance stress test under direct sunlight in a case. If your CPU crashes then it's likely not overclocked correctly. Otherwise if it remains stable under artificial stress test, it will handle any game no problem.
I would really appreciate if someone explain me how exactly this function works?
I mean, tablet don't have fan, so how it keeps the cpu cool, and also what this option does to my nexus in order to keep it cooler?
I would not over clock this device. It us more than fast enough for any Android game.
Throttling does just what the word describes. In basic terms your cpu will be slowed down when getting hot and this defeats the purpose of over clocking.
I won't mention the instability that can be caused or the possibility of doing damage.
Just my thoughts.. To each how own and I do have my I7 pc cpu over clocked big time but it has a huge fan.
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I agreed, throttling and over clock doesn't make sense but this CPU is underclocked and it is designed to go higher like the one on the galaxy s4 and the GPU is meant to go higher but due to battery life Google underclock it
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Blade Zero (W1nst0n) said:
I agreed, throttling and over clock doesn't make sense but this CPU is underclocked and it is designed to go higher like the one on the galaxy s4 and the GPU is meant to go higher but due to battery life Google underclock it
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Well , its not under clocked by Google, this is underclocked cheap from the factory , its just a lower bin s600 that has been rebranded as S4 Pro .. If it was regular s600 it wouldn't be underclocked .
theofanis said:
I would really appreciate if someone explain me how exactly this function works?
I mean, tablet don't have fan, so how it keeps the cpu cool, and also what this option does to my nexus in order to keep it cooler?
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When the CPU reaches a certain temperature threshold it begins to cycle down the CPU speed in order to cool down the processor. It makes the CPU start running at lower frequencies to keep it cool.
Exactly, so a quick oc and u got a better processor without worries of damaging the chip
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Trickster Mod Thermal Throttling Settings
Hey,
If your CPU is getting hot (especially if it's overclocked and hitting 80 C or near to it) At 1944 the back of my case would get noticeably hot. I still say it isn't good for the CPU. From what I know about overclocking if any CPU gets too hot it can damage the CPU or degrade it over time. I definitely wouldn't want it even getting to 80C before it throttles but I found in Trickster Mod, even the free version, you can set the throttling to custom settings if you are rooted. Custom kernels set their voltages to scale depending on the clock speed which means lower clock speeds, less voltages, less heat. I'd rather keep the temps lower on the CPU then risk damaging the device or degrading it over time. Also you can undervolt the CPU at the kernel different clock speeds so it heats up less. You can run the free AnTuTu Benchmark stability test to see if your clock speed voltages are stable and will not crash your device. I have my CPU overclocked to 1944, thermal throttling down clocks the CPU to 1836 at 73 C, 1620 at 75 C, 1512 at 77 C and 1134 at 80 C. My voltages I lowered and are stable at 1944 - 1087500, 1890 - 1062500, 1836 - 1035000, 1728 - 1025000, 1620 - 1000000, 1512 - 987500. The lower voltages are undervolted as well but not going to list them all here.
Peace,
KedarWolf
P.S. When it was posted in this thread you can install custom kernels without rooting it is correct, I recall reading that at one point. Like it was said to use Trickster Mod, change governors or custom throttling settings you need to be rooted.
Bump bump
I have a few suggestions for this kernel and i hope you, Renix63, can see this and add it.
please let us:
overclock the cpu to higher clocks (maybe until 2ghz? )
let the gpu be overclocked (maybe until 600-700mhz?)
thank you very much for your kernel. i hope you have a nice day!
I would suggest not to rush... We got governors and a modded gpu gov. It's not that necessary, 2ghz? It's very unstable and god, your battery will go to 0% in no time because voltage needs to be raised thus consuming more battery. Same goes for the gpu, even if I think gpu OC would be a great feature, but again, not yet. Believe me, resolving stability issues and managing memory etc, is far more important and can get a better performance without OC
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I would suggest not to rush... We got governors and a modded gpu gov. It's not that necessary, 2ghz? It's very unstable and god, your battery will go to 0% in no time because voltage needs to be raised thus consuming more battery. Same goes for the gpu, even if I think gpu OC would be a great feature, but again, not yet. Believe me, resolving stability issues and managing memory etc, is far more important and can get a better performance without OC
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Yes, I agree.
NikitoGR said:
I would suggest not to rush... We got governors and a modded gpu gov. It's not that necessary, 2ghz? It's very unstable and god, your battery will go to 0% in no time because voltage needs to be raised thus consuming more battery. Same goes for the gpu, even if I think gpu OC would be a great feature, but again, not yet. Believe me, resolving stability issues and managing memory etc, is far more important and can get a better performance without OC
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hahahaha yeah sorry bout that, im still noob but it would be great to have overclocking for the gpu tho. for the battery, some people buy powerbanks or battery packs but if ever they want to prolong their battery life because they dont have an extra battery, they can just underclock. but yeah youre right, resolving stability issues and managing memory etc is more important. hahaha sorry
Wake Gesture
What do you think about adding double tap to wake (or wake gesture)? I'd love it!
But the only question is? Is it possible on our device?