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An f2.0 lens and 13 megapixel camera with optical image stabilization capture great photos in daylight and low light. Using advanced computational photography technology and HDR+, the pre-installed Google Camera does the heavy lifting so you can effortlessly take great photos.
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Luckily it doesn't seem to be the same camera found on the Moto X (2014). Different sensor perhaps?
Moto X 2nd gen has the Sony IMX135
Nexus 6 has the Sony IMX214 (same as oneplus)
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Moto X 2nd gen has the Sony IMX135
Nexus 6 has the Sony IMX214 (same as oneplus)
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Which one is better?
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Which one is better?
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http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/new_pro/april_2014/imx214_e.html
214. The OnePlus One can take some great pictures. The N6 should be similar if not equal but I am concerned that the camera app won't take full advantage of what that sensor can do. Hopefully it will.
It's super interesting to me that the front-facing camera has 1.4um pixel size vs the 1.12um.. even smaller than the Nexus 5's. I guess they prioritized good low-lighting shots for selfies not photos.
The hardware seems to be there. Google just needs to develop the software to take advantage of the hardware. Heck, even the Nexus 5 has decent camera hardware.. The software is where it was lacking.
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Moto X 2nd gen has the Sony IMX135
Nexus 6 has the Sony IMX214 (same as oneplus)
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Where did you find this info? For the Nexus 6?
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Where did you find this info? For the Nexus 6?
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http://www.motorola.com/us/Nexus-6/nexus-6-motorola-us.html
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http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/new_pro/april_2014/imx214_e.html
214. The OnePlus One can take some great pictures. The N6 should be similar if not equal but I am concerned that the camera app won't take full advantage of what that sensor can do. Hopefully it will.
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The important thing to keep in mind here is that this is a 1/3 sensor, like all other sensors out their in flagship phones these days. There is only so much you can do with a 1/3 sensor. So it will be fine, but nothing special. 1/3 sensors first debuted in phones, in 2006 with the Nokia N93 (at the time an advance over the 1/4 sensors). So this is eight year old tehnology. And yet it is the status quo in today's phones.
The only notable exception, I know of, is the Galaxy S5 that has a 1/2.5 sensor (and also the Xperia Z3 I think). The S5 takes pretty good photos. Nothing else is going to be as good as the S5. I promise the Nexus 6 will not hold a candle to the S5. The Z3 is not so good as the S5 for somewhat inexplicable reasons; I don't know why Sony can't get their act together, despite being the supplier of sensors to so many other companies, but the cameras in their recent phones have consistently underperformed.
And of course there is the Nokia 1020 with a huge 1/1.5 sensor and the Nokia 808 with and even huger 1/1.2 sensor, that's phsically five times larger than a 1/3 sensor. Those are great camera phones. But you have to sacrifice thinness to have sensors like that. Then there's the four year old Nokia N8 with a 1/1.8 sensor that still eclipses todays best of the best. And even the five year old Nokia N86 has a 1/2.5 sensor that takes as good photos as any phone today, including the S5.
Physical sensor size (not megapixels) matters because it allows the camera to take in more light, render colors better, have less noise, and perform better in low light. Everything else is pretty much gimmicks and fiddling around the edges (except OIS is a nice feature, I think--and resolution and frame rates for video has gotten better--though 4K seems like a stupid exercise when no one has a computer screen or television that can render that level of resolution).
Anyway, so the Nexus 6 has just another medicore 1/3 sensor that will take fine snapshots. Mainly it is an advance over previous Nexus phones that had subpar cameras, but other than that it is just catching up to the mediocre pack of today's flagship pones. If you want the best camera in a normal phone, get an S5. If you want a truly great camera and can stand Windows Phone or the defunct Symbian OS, get a Nokia 1020 or Nokia 808. Everything else is just whatever.
Isn't the Note 4 better than the S5 in terms of camera performance?
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The important thing to keep in mind here is that this is a 1/3 sensor, like all other sensors out their in flagship phones these days. There is only so much you can do with a 1/3 sensor. So it will be fine, but nothing special. 1/3 sensors first debuted in phones, in 2006 with the Nokia N93 (at the time an advance over the 1/4 sensors). So this is eight year old tehnology. And yet it is the status quo in today's phones.
The only notable exception, I know of, is the Galaxy S5 that has a 1/2.5 sensor (and also the Xperia Z3 I think). The S5 takes pretty good photos. Nothing else is going to be as good as the S5. I promise the Nexus 6 will not hold a candle to the S5. The Z3 is not so good as the S5 for somewhat inexplicable reasons; I don't know why Sony can't get their act together, despite being the supplier of sensors to so many other companies, but the cameras in their recent phones have consistently underperformed.
And of course there is the Nokia 1020 with a huge 1/1.5 sensor and the Nokia 808 with and even huger 1/1.2 sensor, that's phsically five times larger than a 1/3 sensor. Those are great camera phones. But you have to sacrifice thinness to have sensors like that. Then there's the four year old Nokia N8 with a 1/1.8 sensor that still eclipses todays best of the best. And even the five year old Nokia N86 has a 1/2.5 sensor that takes as good photos as any phone today, including the S5.
Physical sensor size (not megapixels) matters because it allows the camera to take in more light, render colors better, have less noise, and perform better in low light. Everything else is pretty much gimmicks and fiddling around the edges (except OIS is a nice feature, I think--and resolution and frame rates for video has gotten better--though 4K seems like a stupid exercise when no one has a computer screen or television that can render that level of resolution).
Anyway, so the Nexus 6 has just another medicore 1/3 sensor that will take fine snapshots. Mainly it is an advance over previous Nexus phones that had subpar cameras, but other than that it is just catching up to the mediocre pack of today's flagship pones. If you want the best camera in a normal phone, get an S5. If you want a truly great camera and can stand Windows Phone or the defunct Symbian OS, get a Nokia 1020 or Nokia 808. Everything else is just whatever.
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This was very informative. This really relieves me of not being so down about not having the imx214 in the Moto X 2014
Also, hello again. I've seen you before in the Moto X 2014 forums lol
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Isn't the Note 4 better than the S5 in terms of camera performance?
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It should be, if it is using the same sensor as s5. On top of that, it is using OIS. The Note 4 should be the new benchmark in terms of camera quality for Android
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What about this camera compared to the LG G3? My G3 takes the best photos I've ever had from a phone. The megapixel count is the same between the two, but it has a Sony IMX135.. and it has that laser autofocus which is pretty nice for fast shots.
Also, what about the N6 being f2.0 aperture over the typical 2.2 or 2.4?
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I'm not into phablets, so I don't know much about the Note 4. It looks like it has a Sony IMX240 sesnor, with a 1/2.6 sensor, so slightly smaller than the 1/2.5 sensor in the S5. It does have OIS though, which should help with longer exposures in low light. The S5 has an "Isocell" sensor, which is supposed to have barriers between pixels that helps improve color accuracy and sharpness (see: http://connect.dpreview.com/post/0315472077/samsung-explains-the-galaxy-s5-isocell-sensor). I know the S5 has atypically good color accuracy for a phone, though part of that is a choice on Samsungs part not to favor in the post-processing the oversaturated colors that many people like (i.e. that many people mistake for better photos--people often find more accurate colors to look washed out). Anyway, since Samsung usually does a good job in their flagships, I would not be surprised if the Note 4 is comparable or slightly better than the S5. But it's going to be minor differences, I think.
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This was very informative. This really relieves me of not being so down about not having the imx214 in the Moto X 2014
Also, hello again. I've seen you before in the Moto X 2014 forums lol
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Yes, the new Nexus phone and the 2nd Gen. Moto X are the two phones I'm looking at to replace my Nexus 4, so I've been hanging around both forums. For the moment I'm just trying to get over my raging disappointment that the Nexus 6 really is a huge 6" phablet. Sigh. It does have some nice upgrades over the 2nd Gen. Moto X, I think. (Though if it lacks the four microphone noise cancellation in the Moto X, that's a deal killer for me--I haven't been able to confirm anything about this yet.)
I wouldn't worry about the different sensors in the phones much. They're both fine and more or less in the same ballpark of quality, as 1/3 sensors. OIS on the Nexus 6 is nice and should help with low light photography (and video), that's the biggest difference, depending how important that is to you. In good light, I doubt you'd see much difference between the cameras. For just general snapshots of friends and things like that, I think all these phones are fine.
As I said above, I think people make way too big a deal of the differences between cameras in current flagships. Handset makers try to make a big deal out of small differences, for the sake of competition, because they can't acknowledge the truth that they've all just decided the eight year old technology of 1/3 sensors is good enough and they'd rather make super thin phones. If you're the sort of person who's really going to get into the small differences between one flagship with a 1/3 sensor and another, then you're probably the sort of person that would appreciate an S5 more, because of it's 1/2.5 sensor, and you're probably the sort of person will to take the Windows Phone plunge so you can get the truly amazing Nokia 1020 with it's 1/1.5 sensor and many other advantages (mechanical shutter, OIS, Xenon flash, pixel binning for over sampling, lossless digital zooming).
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What about this camera compared to the LG G3? My G3 takes the best photos I've ever had from a phone. The megapixel count is the same between the two, but it has a Sony IMX135.. and it has that laser autofocus which is pretty nice for fast shots.
Also, what about the N6 being f2.0 aperture over the typical 2.2 or 2.4?
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The LG G3 has the same IMX135 sensor as the 2nd Gen Moto X, but also has OIS. It's prefectly good, but still yet another 1/3 sensor. It's the same sensor in the LG G2, the Note 3, the Galaxy S4, and a bazillion other phones, so it shouldn't be meaningfully different from any of them, except for the potential low light advantage of OIS. (Check this out to see just how many phones have Sony sensors in them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exmor).
That being said OIS is not a miracle cure for smaller sensors. Neither is the f2.0 aperature on the Nexus 6. They're nice features, but you can only do so much with a smaller 1/3 sensor. Again, these are all ways manufacturers are trying to fiddle around to make the best out of mediocre sensors. The S5 and even the five year old Nokia N86 with 1/2.5 sensors will do almost as well in low light as a phone with OIS (I think the f2.0 will make less of a difference than OIS). And, again, the huge 1/1.8, 1/1.5, 1/1.2 sensors in the Nokia N8, 1020, and 808 (respectively) are going to way out perform a 1/3 sensor with OIS in low light (as well as in every other situation)--and of course the 1020 also has OIS, on top of a huge sensor.
At this point, I don't really know why all flaghips don't have OIS. It has some benefits. And it's stupid to have to choose between a mediocre 1/3 sensor with OIS and a larger 1/2.5 sensor without OIS. It's like two different choices of how to shoot yourself in the foot.
All that to say, I still think these are all pretty minor differences between phones with more or less similar image making capabilities. I wouldn't choose between the LG G3, Moto X, or Nexus 6 for the camera. I might (might) choose the S5 for the camera, but I hate Samsung phones, so I really wouldn't ever get an S5. If the camera really was the main issue to me, I'd get a Nokia 1020 and enter the wonderful world of Windows Phone (which I think is under rated as an interface anyway). But that's really for the serious photographers.
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A final word to the wise. Take the reviews of phone cameras you see online with a huge grain of salt. There are very few sites that do a good job and know what they are talking about. Most site reviewers are essentially amature photographers, making incredibly subjective judgments about images, with no real knowledge of how to take photos in a way that allow for good comparisons, and overplay the differences between today's phones (since they get the phones for free to review, they also have huge conflicts of interest and will mostly avoid saying anything too negative--like acknowledging that the differences between these phones a relatively minor). Dpreview.com is probably the best site I know of.
Great read dude. I've owned several Samsung's and nexus phones. None could take the quality pics my HTC DNA could. Would that be software related? I loved that damn phone.
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Great read dude. I've owned several Samsung's and nexus phones. None could take the quality pics my HTC DNA could. Would that be software related? I loved that damn phone.
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I'm not especially familiar with the DNA and can't find any information about its sensor, although it appears to have a decent f2.0 aperature. Seems like it had the same sensor as the HTC One X, which was a 1/3.2 backside illuminated CMOS sensor. Reviews seem to find that the HTC One, with it's ultrapixels, took better (more color accurate) photos.
Perhaps there was just something about how the DNA did post-processing on the images that you subjectively liked better.
This is a good example of how sensors have stayed in the 1/3 ballpark for a long time and an older phone can be just as good as today's "flagships," which is basically the point I've been making.
I think the Nexus 5 that your signature says you have (like the Nexus 4 before it) has as somewhat subpar camera by the current standards. So it's understandable that coming from the DNA you could be having a worse experience--though the Nexus 5 has a similar 1/3.2 sensor and OIS. The Nexus 6, if you're' in the market for one, ought to be a decent improvement over the Nexus 5 and better than the DNA. Especially since the Nexus 6 has OIS, on top of a newer and slightly larger 1/3.06 sensor. But, still, I think they are all in the same general range as cameras.
What's with the 30 fps stat listed on the google and moto specific pages... Up to 4k recording but no slow motion capture. I thought the OPO does slo mo.
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So if both the one + and the nexus 6 have the same camera, would the difference be night shots with flash?
I don't really know how software will play in, but I hope that the nexus 6 is more crisp than moto x. Hard to decide between this or an One+.
I also wonder why the people that are disappointed with the nexus 6's price and/or screen size don't get a one + instead.
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So if both the one + and the nexus 6 have the same camera, would the difference be night shots with flash?
I don't really know how software will play in, but I hope that the nexus 6 is more crisp than moto x. Hard to decide between this or an One+.
I also wonder why the people that are disappointed with the nexus 6's price and/or screen size don't get a one + instead.
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Because the stupid invite system ...you still can't get the freaking phone ....
One + is not available for Verizon as far as I know, or I would consider it.
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So if both the one + and the nexus 6 have the same camera, would the difference be night shots with flash?
I don't really know how software will play in, but I hope that the nexus 6 is more crisp than moto x. Hard to decide between this or an One+.
I also wonder why the people that are disappointed with the nexus 6's price and/or screen size don't get a one + instead.
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From a hardware point of view, the main difference will be that the Nexus 6 has OIS (optical image stabilization) and the OnePlus One does not. This should improve photography in low light, allowing for longer exposures. And it will allow for more fluid and stable video, when moving the camera and shooting at the same time. The OnePlus One does have digital image stablization, which OnePlus made a big deal about, but digital image stablization sucks and reviews of the OnePlus One demonstrated this, as if it really needed to be demonstrated yet again on another device.
There could be software differences, in terms of how the phones post-process the images. The OnePlus One, like many phones, produces over-saturated colors, because people tend to like that better (they see the bright colors and think it is a better photo, even though it is an inaccurate representation of the colors in the actual scene). I wouldn't hold my breath for Google choosing to do something different, however. Over-saturated colors are pretty much the norm, not many phones go for more realistic colors. Also, phones sometimes vary on how much sharpening they apply in post processing. Again, sharpening creates the superficial appearance of a sharper image, but actually eliminates detail in the photo, if you zoom way in. Of course, these are things that can be corrected later with image editing software, if you care.
We'll really have to wait for reviews on high quality sites, like Dpreview, before we know if the Nexus 6 and OnePlus One vary at all in how they do post-processing.
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Xiaomi Mi 5X come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
anyone can share their photos? How's the camera performance?
I have this device for testing purposes.
Can tell the camera is not that good. Pics are blurry and HDR mode is not on point.
Selfie cam almost does a better job than dual lens.
I heard and saw all kind of stuffs regarding the camera on reviews, from opinions (and photos and videos) where you can see the camera sucks to others where you see a great camera quality. This obviously will depend as well on the experience of the user.
I specially saw the camera seems to be very bad when trying to capture objects in movement.
It would be good if experienced people could share objective opinions of the camera on all the conditions.
Let's say the quality you get is absolutely random. Some shots will be good, others bad... it's mostly average.
Overall there's a lack of sharpness.
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Let's say the quality you get is absolutely random. Some shots will be good, others bad... it's mostly average.
Overall there's a lack of sharpness.
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I totally agree... sometimes i manage to take a great shot, but its so.random. the photo quality is way inferior to my old nexus 5x.
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Let's say the quality you get is absolutely random. Some shots will be good, others bad... it's mostly average.
Overall there's a lack of sharpness.
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hey i want to but this phone, it launched in india as XIAOMI A1,
i am confused between A1 and MOTO G5S plus,
have you tried G5S plus camera ??
please suggest best mobile between XIAOMI A1 and G5s PLUS.
Wow, calm down. Here you can find my review about the Mi 5X.
http://www.frandroid.com/marques/xi...rtphone-abordable-qui-sait-presque-tout-faire
I'll be testing the Mi A1 soon. I've never got my hands on a Moto so can't tell you which one is the best, watch the comparisons... get the Mi 5X if you love Mi devices or maybe wait for the Mi A1?
Can't tell, it's up to you!
Taken in morning with 2x zoom from mi a1
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hey i want to but this phone, it launched in india as XIAOMI A1,
i am confused between A1 and MOTO G5S plus,
have you tried G5S plus camera ??
please suggest best mobile between XIAOMI A1 and G5s PLUS.
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i bought moto g5s plus and returned the mobile after using it for one week that camera is good but it has lots of bugs and moto has to give update and front camera video recording is worst ....
then i bought mi a1 which is far better than moto g5s+ camera is btr in this mobile in my opinion u can go with MI A1.....
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i bought moto g5s plus and returned the mobile after using it for one week that camera is good but it has lots of bugs and moto has to give update and front camera video recording is worst ....
then i bought mi a1 which is far better than moto g5s+ camera is btr in this mobile in my opinion u can go with MI A1.....
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i bought it before 10day ago, i bought it from amazon and now i dont know whether i can return it or not,
from where did you bought moto ? and how much refund did you get ?
and i believe, why should i exchange my mobile only because of real camera clarity ? amm getting confused,
i just want to stay with moto g5s plus because i know we will have some BOOM upgrades in near future
I just got my MI A1 as an upgrade for my 4 years old Nexus 5 daily driver. First impressions in Daylight the MI A1 outperforms the Nexus 5, but in low light the lack of OIS and relatively small 1.25 um pixel size means the A1 struggles a lot. Even getting a sharp focus is slow comparing with my Nexus 6P which has laser autofocus.
In comparison my Nexus 5 has OIS and 1.4 um pixels, and my Nexus 6P has 1.55 um pixels.
Taking into account the cost of the MI A1 however, this phone is a tip top performer and I have no compliants for what I paid. Very happy with it.
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Here are some samples I shot with the MI A1, might post more soon.
Photos have been scaled down by Google Photos app.
1. https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZnPCaOmsNQtHaspq2
2. https://photos.app.goo.gl/9zBmB58K2wp2JGvl1
3. https://photos.app.goo.gl/xluE7J1qFcO27Ols1
4. https://photos.app.goo.gl/IwdZ4ybNZMQtvsxq1
5. https://photos.app.goo.gl/dPQsGItVW1Cal6nr1
outdoor camera is acceptable also when you use 2x zoom, but indoor very poor, so many noise and lack of sharpness
Yeah, acceptable but not tip top performing.
I mean, the Mi 5X/ Mi A1 is good for taking photo of people, but average quality is poor and outdoor result like landscape with HDR definitely bad. In HHT the camera sucks.
bad really bad camera
as a mi 5x user i can confirm this is the most accurate answer
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Samsung Galaxy Note 10 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
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Did Samsung improve the shutter speed on Note10+?? When I had the S10+ the still photos looked great, however it was hard to get a picture of my daughter(18mo old) that didn't look blurry
I spent a couple of days doing camera comparisons with my Pixel 3 XL, which I sent back on Friday (got my Note 10 on Wednesday). I found that I personally like the photos in daylight better from the Note 10, as they look just a bit more "punchy" and clear to me, but that's Samsung applying a deeper saturation and more sharpening. YMMV on that. Early reviews I read online said that it was on par with the Pixel 3 in daylight, but quickly fell apart in low light. I'm happy to report that wasn't my experience at all. Night mode works great, and while it would be nice to have an indicator of how long to hold it, it seems to be just as fast at the Pixel 3. The Pixel 3 did beat it out just a bit with clarity, but not by a very wide margin. I did some blind comparison test between shots from the Note 10 and the Pixel 3 XL with my girlfriend (who has a Pixel 3 XL of her own), and 9 of the 11 shots she picked were the Note 10 shots over the Pixel 3. She prefered the Pixel 3's selfie shot and it's Night Sight shot, but she said she really couldn't tell much of a difference in them.
Aside from quality, I like different Live Focus backgrounds, and being able to swipe up from a corner on the lockscreen to get to the camera is a huge plus for me. It's much faster for me to go from pocket to shot now. I'm going to a convention this weekend, so I expect to get some good use out of the triple cameras too. All in all, I'm beyond happy with the Note 10 camera, and coming from the Pixel 3 XL, I was very concerned, as that was hands down the best camera on a phone I'd ever used. The Note 10 isn't leaps and bounds better, but it is better, in my opinion.
As much as I like Note 10, camera is crap compared to Pixel 3. I've been shooting all day and most images are near useless if subject is moving, automatic in anything less then ideal conditions is also terrible, and can only be improved with Pro mode. Faces are too white and details are all washed out. I had exactly the same results with S10 that I returned
I am not sure what Samsung is thinking. Big company and great hardware, $1000 phone, yet software is not good and photos are behind even Pixel 1
Ps. I am leaning towards keeping the phone anyway and will give Gcam a try
Note 10+ Night Camera is really crap compared to the Pixel phone.... Ugh... Samsung again with their bs
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Did Samsung improve the shutter speed on Note10+?? When I had the S10+ the still photos looked great, however it was hard to get a picture of my daughter(18mo old) that didn't look blurry
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No they haven't. I had a good hands on with the device at their stores and took my kids to just specially test this out.
I sold my S10 plus for this very reason and unfortunately in the Note note 10, they still haven't sorted it out. I had a Galaxy Note 8 and that was the last Samsung without this issue. I think it's something to do with the dual aperture.
Installing Gcam seems to help a lot but I have Exynos chip and doesn't get ported very well.
You have to use Pro mode in order to get anything useful with moving subject. Or Gcam maybe, I haven't tried yet
Daylight shots are very good though, I would say even better then Pixel
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No they haven't. I had a good hands on with the device at their stores and took my kids to just specially test this out.
I sold my S10 plus for this very reason and unfortunately in the Note note 10, they still haven't sorted it out. I had a Galaxy Note 8 and that was the last Samsung without this issue. I think it's something to do with the dual aperture.
Installing Gcam seems to help a lot but I have Exynos chip and doesn't get ported very well.
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Same thing here with my wife's S10e. Since my S7 I hate this. Nowadays I have an iPhone Xr and this is not a problem, fortunately... But I'd like to go back to Android again... Maybe with Pixel 4...
Using pro mode on S10e I've got a nice result setting the shutter speed at least at 1/250. But you lose performance on HDR... So it's like a short sheet... You cover something and uncover other...
That's another mess, the pro mode.
On my note 8, i chose to keep a fast shutter speed and my preferred white balance with iso as a shortcut on home screen. This way it allowed me to directly jump into 3 of my preferred pro mode setting directly without fiddling and adjusting, but as always, Samsung had to take a damn step back and removed this shortcut starting from note 9.
Hmmmnnn. I had a note 8, and all the others besides the 9. Any of them, like any other cameras I have used(cameras and camcorders), with the faster shutter speeds, I always use manual(or as Samsung likes to call pro). I guess most of my subjects when I learned were really fast(rc helicopters doing aerobatics and saltwater reef tanks), so the old rule of 'learn manual shooting first and don't rely on auto' saved me.
Neither of those environments are ideal, and i learned to just 'make' the cameras work for me. It's not a fault of the devices, it's just the honest inherent nature of auto mode.. I also love macro photography, so that is another realm in which manual knowledge is key..
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The portrait mood has bee the single most disappointing feature for me, perhaps we are spoiled by the gcam quality, but samsung could have done better.
Having an Exynos device makes it even more challenging to find a stable fully functional gcam.
I am almost inclining towards finding a pixel (2/3a or 3) just for camera capabilities.
Even the poco with it's xiaomi camera did a better job at portraits
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The portrait mood has bee the single most disappointing feature for me, perhaps we are spoiled by the gcam quality, but samsung could have done better.
Having an Exynos device makes it even more challenging to find a stable fully functional gcam.
I am almost inclining towards finding a pixel (2/3a or 3) just for camera capabilities.
Even the poco with it's xiaomi camera did a better job at portraits
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Portrait is very good as far as i'm concerned. Maybe malfunctionning device ? I have exynos as well and no pb with photos (EDIT : i have Note 10 Plus though so maybe TOF does the job).
My portait photos are probably the most striking and accurate i ever took with a smartphone, i have very nice pics of my kids taken with it.
Single hairs on sides are not blurred either, it only blurs the background and does it right.
I am very disappointed with cameras .
Low definition and quality when you do not have 100% of light .
Night mode it **** also.
I came from op6 and did better photos stock and with gcam.
Samsung camera processing it is the worst one
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I am very disappointed with cameras .
Low definition and quality when you do not have 100% of light .
Night mode it **** also.
I came from op6 and did better photos stock and with gcam.
Samsung camera processing it is the worst one
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Plain wrong... Post exemple or it never happened.
Camera is not good but much better than OP7
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I am very disappointed with cameras .
Low definition and quality when you do not have 100% of light .
Night mode it **** also.
I came from op6 and did better photos stock and with gcam.
Samsung camera processing it is the worst one
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I compared with OP7 and found that Note 10 (Exynos) is far better when compared to OnePlus 7.
Though Pixel 2 XL have much better camera
Just wondering whether the staggering difference in photo quality between Exynos and Snapdragon versions of Note 10 is here as well. I was shocked how far better was Galaxy S9 (Snapdragon) in this term.
Definitely isn't this year...the Exynos model has improved a lot so much so there's a huge difference between the photo quality of the note 10 and the S10 5g I had.
new update to camera today
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The portrait mood has bee the single most disappointing feature for me, perhaps we are spoiled by the gcam quality, but samsung could have done better.
Having an Exynos device makes it even more challenging to find a stable fully functional gcam.
I am almost inclining towards finding a pixel (2/3a or 3) just for camera capabilities.
Even the poco with it's xiaomi camera did a better job at portraits
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That is weird, I find portrait quality to be much better than my Note 8 and iphone XS Max, edge definition is outstanding compared to iphones and I have taken portrait shots that are as good (resolution aside) as my Canon 70D with 85mm lens.
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Xiaomi Mi Note 10 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Dynamic range is pretty good comparing with "modern" tiny-sensored iphones.
Funny thing, that Nokia PureView 808 (2012) STILL provides better resolution and better signal-to-noise ratio.
S10 vs Mi Note 10
Hey guys. Here's a side by side picture showing the Mi Note 10 vs the Galaxy S10.
Unfortunately I've had to lower the size of the pics to 10MB because that's what the image host accepts.
On the right I included a cropped section from each camera. The Mi Note 10 has the higher megapixels
Notes: HDR auto enabled for both cameras
AI mode on for the Mi Note 10
Both pictures taken on the standard lens
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Hey guys. Here's a side by side picture showing the Mi Note 10 vs the Galaxy S10. ....
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Thanks you! To me, the Mi Note 10 camera looks like a real winner. The detail of the Mi Note 10 shot is noticeably better, especially on the right side of the canal. I believe that the color balance is noticeably better, too.
I like the mi note 10 as the photos are not altered by the software more what you see and that's what you get. I love the Lumia 1020 and I used it for 2 years plus till it died, and I moved on to Samsung Galaxy S7, pic were good but unrealistic as colours were enhanced .
With this device I take more real pic.
If you edit the picture with Snapseed and +25 to saturation the Mi Note 10 pic looks almost identical to the S10 on the colour front
While waiting for my Mi Note 10 to arrive, I am starting to wonder if I have made a mistake. I am replacing a Pixel 3XL with the Mi Note 10, based largely on the initial camera reviews and the Dxomark rating.
But now I am reading less than rosy reviews of the camera, like this one:
https://www.androidpit.com/xiaomi-mi-note-10-camera-problems
I also saw the oversharpening and overprocessing with the telephoto lenses, as well as the fringing. Can others share their experience with the camera, compared to brands like Apple, Google and Samsung?
Also, how good is Xiaomi at fixing such issues with updates? I am afraid that like many other Chinese companies, they will drop support for the Mi Note 10 in favor of the bazillion new models they seem to have in the pipeline.
I received my Mi Note 10 and took a few shots. Overall, disappointing images, compared to my Pixel 3XL.
Main camera: The dynamic range of the main camera is not nearly as good as that on the Pixel. Even forcing HDR on the Mi Note 10 doesn't help much, as the Pixel shows more detail in both sun-lit and shadow areas. Strangely, given the higher resolution of the Mi Note, the definition of blades of grass in a landscape shot is noticeably better on the Pixel. Also, the colors are kind of "electric" on the Mi Note 10, not natural.
Portrait mode is poor in less than bright conditions.
In Wide mode, the dynamic range is also pretty poor.
Night city light shots from the Mi Note 10 are not as good as the Pixel, although in Night Shot mode the Mi Note 10 improves noticeably. But it still suffers from poor dynamic range.
The only shot where the Mi Note did better the Pixel was at 10x zoom. The Pixel 3 does it all with just one lens, and at its maximum 7x it had somewhat less detail than the Mi Note 10.
Sadly, the Mi Note feels like a second rate phone on the photography front. Funny enough, I don't have any issues with the rest of the phone. The fingerprint unlock is not fast, but I can live with it. I don't have touch issues on the edges. But the main reason I bought it was for the camera, which in my experience so far, is just not very good.
I am wondering what DXOMARK was testing and how they came up with their conclusions, which are so different than mine?
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I received my Mi Note 10 and took a few shots. Overall, disappointing images, compared to my Pixel 3XL.
Main camera: The dynamic range of the main camera is not nearly as good as that on the Pixel. Even forcing HDR on the Mi Note 10 doesn't help much, as the Pixel shows more detail in both sun-lit and shadow areas. Strangely, given the higher resolution of the Mi Note, the definition of blades of grass in a landscape shot is noticeably better on the Pixel. Also, the colors are kind of "electric" on the Mi Note 10, not natural.
Portrait mode is poor in less than bright conditions.
In Wide mode, the dynamic range is also pretty poor.
Night city light shots from the Mi Note 10 are not as good as the Pixel, although in Night Shot mode the Mi Note 10 improves noticeably. But it still suffers from poor dynamic range.
The only shot where the Mi Note did better the Pixel was at 10x zoom. The Pixel 3 does it all with just one lens, and at its maximum 7x it had somewhat less detail than the Mi Note 10.
Sadly, the Mi Note feels like a second rate phone on the photography front. Funny enough, I don't have any issues with the rest of the phone. The fingerprint unlock is not fast, but I can live with it. I don't have touch issues on the edges. But the main reason I bought it was for the camera, which in my experience so far, is just not very good.
I am wondering what DXOMARK was testing and how they came up with their conclusions, which are so different than mine?
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I strongly believe that a 27 mp photo taken with a sensor 4 time bigger than the 12mp pixel 3 sensor has less detail compared with this one. Really, i believe that!! I swear!!
The dxomark test was made with the mi note 10 pro that have a 8p Lens system, but the difference Is very very little.
If you feel the pixel 3 photos Better than mi note 10, i suspect that you bought a mi note 3. Ahahahha
such awesome photo quality. I've got mi max 3 / note 8 pro / note 10 pro.
Note 10 pro is really really awesome and hassle free to install gcam
using this btw
burial: GCam_7.2.010_Burial-v6_release21.01.20.apk
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I strongly believe that a 27 mp photo taken with a sensor 4 time bigger than the 12mp pixel 3 sensor has less detail compared with this one. Really, i believe that!! I swear!!
The dxomark test was made with the mi note 10 pro that have a 8p Lens system, but the difference Is very very little.
If you feel the pixel 3 photos Better than mi note 10, i suspect that you bought a mi note 3. Ahahahha
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Believe what you want. The issue is not resolution, it's dynamic range. Detail in strongly lit and in shadow areas is worse in images taken on the Mi Note 10, than in images taken on the Pixel 3XL. The color is also over-processed and looking just tacky.
I am really disappointed, because I thought I was getting a great bargain, but instead got less than I paid for (the Pixel 3XL is cheaper nowadays than the Mi Note 10 and the 4XL can be had for a $200 or so more, on Google Fi). I'll give this phone a week or so, just to make sure, but my initial impression is not good.
My guess is it's all software. I tried a couple of the GCam mods, one crashes after each shot, the other one is a bit better than the stock main camera, but still not nearly as good as the Pixel 3XL.
I am on the latest Global, with the January update.
I should also note that I am looking at the original camera images on a 30" calibrated monitor, where the differences are glaring. On the phone itself the over-processed Mi Note 10 images look pretty good, but while this may be good enough for some, it's not what I am looking for.
OK, just went for a run and took a few shots along the way with the Mi Note 10. Late afternoon, good light.
In my opinion, they are all are pretty bad, mainly because the dynamic range is so poor. On my calibrated monitor, they also appear overly processed and the grass takes an electric hue, which reminds me of Chinese phones from years back.
Here are a few Mi Note 10 examples here:
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And here is a few pairs of similar shots from the Mi Note 10 and a Pixel 3XL..
I can see a little more detail in the Mi Note 10 shots at 100%, but things are crushed and just don't look good:
I'd be really happy to be proven wrong, so I don't have to deal with returning the Mi Note 10.
Dear MacGuy2006,
I have been a silent reader until now, but I still have to give my comment here.
You say that the pixel images are better, I see it completely different. The resolution is worlds lower and the whole picture looks much more blurred when you look at it in detail.
I agree with you that the colors are a bit more intense, that's why the pictures look better at first, but that's not so. The Note 10 photos are just more neutral, but that doesn't say anything about the quality of the pictures, that’s only a part of the Software.
A small change in Photoshop (gradation curves and saturation) and the Mi Note 10 looks much better. I even think, after a little tuning in Photoshop you can't compare both cameras at all. In my eyes, the pixel is far behind. None of the photos of the pixel shown by you are better for me.
Regards
Pascal
Pentagrave666 said:
Dear MacGuy2006,
I have been a silent reader until now, but I still have to give my comment here.
You say that the pixel images are better, I see it completely different. The resolution is worlds lower and the whole picture looks much more blurred when you look at it in detail.
I agree with you that the colors are a bit more intense, that's why the pictures look better at first, but that's not so. The Note 10 photos are just more neutral, but that doesn't say anything about the quality of the pictures, that’s only a part of the Software.
A small change in Photoshop (gradation curves and saturation) and the Mi Note 10 looks much better. I even think, after a little tuning in Photoshop you can't compare both cameras at all. In my eyes, the pixel is far behind. None of the photos of the pixel shown by you are better for me.
Regards
Pascal
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Hi, Pascal. I appreciate your point and I agree with it.
But I think the issues with the Mi Note are a bit bigger than a small change in PS. I just lined up an image from the Mi Note 10 and an image from the Pixel 3XL, both at 100%, and took a screen shot. One would expect a much greater difference in resolution between the Mi Note sensor and the Pixel 3 sensor, right? I certainly expected a lot better, both in terms of detail and dynamic range.
But while the Note image has a bit finer detail, there is a lot of smearing and feathering. The orange/red tree in the upper right looks painted in both, and it shouldn't really on the Note image. While when pixel peeping I like the Mi Note 10 image better, I am wondering if all the smearing is causing the compressed apparent dynamic range? It looks like a Pointillist painting.
But as I said, I hope I am just overreacting and missing something. I'd really like for this to be the great bargain I hoped for. But I am not feeling it right now.
Just use gcam and small tweaks or even just load up pre-configured xml file can easily solve all your problem and achieve better quality image
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Hi, Pascal. I appreciate your point and I agree with it.
But I think the issues with the Mi Note are a bit bigger than a small change in PS. I just lined up an image from the Mi Note 10 and an image from the Pixel 3XL, both at 100%, and took a screen shot. One would expect a much greater difference in resolution between the Mi Note sensor and the Pixel 3 sensor, right? I certainly expected a lot better, both in terms of detail and dynamic range.
But while the Note image has a bit finer detail, there is a lot of smearing and feathering. The orange/red tree in the upper right looks painted in both, and it shouldn't really on the Note image. While when pixel peeping I like the Mi Note 10 image better, I am wondering if all the smearing is causing the compressed apparent dynamic range? It looks like a Pointillist painting.
But as I said, I hope I am just overreacting and missing something. I'd really like for this to be the great bargain I hoped for. But I am not feeling it right now.
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I understand what you mean and I've seen this kind of thing many times in pictures of Note 10. I guess the software just screws that up. The sensor itself is certainly much more powerful than you can see on some pictures.
It gives the impression that it tries too much to suppress the noise, so a lot of the details that should be there disappear.
Let's hope that a software update will come or Gcam will solve the problem.
- I would describe the camera like this: Right light, right situation, absolutely perfect shot.
- Minor problems with lighting (too little light or too high dynamic range) and the pictures are only average.
In my eyes it is not a camera that works well everywhere. The software simply needs more attention and time to take the right photo. By time I mean now the correct positioning or maybe manual settings on a photo instead of the automatic.
In any case the sensor has enormous power, but unfortunately not always and not everywhere
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I understand what you mean and I've seen this kind of thing many times in pictures of Note 10. I guess the software just screws that up. The sensor itself is certainly much more powerful than you can see on some pictures.
It gives the impression that it tries too much to suppress the noise, so a lot of the details that should be there disappear.
Let's hope that a software update will come or Gcam will solve the problem.
- I would describe the camera like this: Right light, right situation, absolutely perfect shot.
- Minor problems with lighting (too little light or too high dynamic range) and the pictures are only average.
In my eyes it is not a camera that works well everywhere. The software simply needs more attention and time to take the right photo. By time I mean now the correct positioning or maybe manual settings on a photo instead of the automatic.
In any case the sensor has enormous power, but unfortunately not always and not everywhere
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OK, I've calmed down
I went home yesterday and spent some time taking night shots with the camera and viewed the whole batch on my TV set up (it's a very large TV, calibrated On a large screen, I can appreciate the additional detail from the Mi Note 10. And you are right, under the perfect conditions the images are great. In fact, when comparing on the TV, Xiaomi seems to be closer to images from the iPhone 11, which is a good thing.
But on a lot of images, there is smearing and definite crushing of color in high contrast scenes. It seems the greens can be particularly troublesome for the Mi Note. I compared 108mp to 27mp and the smearing and the color crush is really evident only in the 27mp.
I wish there was a 16x9 option using the 108mp sensor as is.
I guess I was expecting too much. The Pixel 3XL photos still look more dynamic on the TV screen, but in perfect conditions the Mi Note provides better detail.
I will probably keep it and hope that Xiaomi improves the camera app to better take advantage of the large sensor. What is the experience of others with Xiaomi updates?
Why do you need a 16:9 option on the 108mp sensor? Just crop the photo into 16:9 afterwards, cause that's exactly what other phones do that let you take 16:9 photos.
Why 16x9? Because most photos I keep are eventually viewed on large 16x9 screens (TV's). I would rather frame correctly while taking the photo than crop later. I'd imagine that others prefer this too, since there is always a 16x9 option for the main camera.
Plus, the file size would be smaller and likely the processing time will be less, too.
Why frame correctly? You can also frame it correctly after. The 108mp mode isn't made for point and shoot. It's meant to get the max out of it so you still have to tweak a few things after so you might as well crop it. Takes 2 seconds.
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Samsung Galaxy S20 FE come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
When compared to the regular S20 I noticed photos are often overexposed, so it loses detail in the white parts of the photo.
I noticed this in every photo comparison review.
I guess it's just a software thing, but Samsung needs to fix this.
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When compared to the regular S20 I noticed photos are often overexposed, so it loses detail in the white parts of the photo.
I noticed this in every photo comparison review.
I guess it's just a software thing, but Samsung needs to fix this.
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Yeah, that seems to be a Samsung trait. It's really annoying. I'm looking to get a new phone, and Samsung have some great specced phones, but their photo processing steers me away. I gave up n my S10+ because of it, and went back to my pixel 3
Here's another comparison with the pixel 5, almost all photos and videos looks (imho) way better on the pixel 5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqAaofYe9a4
Google builds a cheaper phone with cheaper hardware including lenses and yet, the results are better.
Samsung really needs to step up a notch!
Gray44 said:
Here's another comparison with the pixel 5, almost all photos and videos looks (imho) way better on the pixel 5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqAaofYe9a4
Google builds a cheaper phone with cheaper hardware including lenses and yet, the results are better.
Samsung really needs to step up a notch!
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Really after seeing twice the video, i much prefer the s20 fe...
Random Pictures part1
here I show you some random pictures. I come from the Huawei P30 Pro and I am very satisfied with the camera.
Random Pictures part2
here I show you some random pictures. I come from the Huawei P30 Pro and I am very satisfied with the camera.
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here I show you some random pictures. I come from the Huawei P30 Pro and I am very satisfied with the camera.
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The worse thing that you can do it's to switch from a p30 pro which it's the camera killer to this Samsung that it's having awful photo quality... You didn't show us some comparisons between this 2 devices.. You'll be surprised that p30 pro it's still a flagship killer Also, the zoom on the p30 remains a king(p40 it's out of the discussion because of the lack of google service)
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The worse thing that you can do it's to switch from a p30 pro which it's the camera killer to this Samsung that it's having awful photo quality... You didn't show us some comparisons between this 2 devices.. You'll be surprised that p30 pro it's still a flagship killer Also, the zoom on the p30 remains a king(p40 it's out of the discussion because of the lack of google service)
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i am and have been a huge Huawei P30 Pro fan but i am not sure if your statement is correct...
Sure yes, that P30 Pro is a real killer but the s20 fe is really very good too! The pictures can't really be compared - sometimes the P30 Pro wins and sometimes and yet sometimes more often the S20 fe wins.
but it always depends on your own preferences, i agree with you. i am currently very enthusiastic about the s20 fe.
ive had mine for a bit over a month now and im quite impressed with it
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The worse thing that you can do it's to switch from a p30 pro which it's the camera killer to this Samsung that it's having awful photo quality... You didn't show us some comparisons between this 2 devices.. You'll be surprised that p30 pro it's still a flagship killer Also, the zoom on the p30 remains a king(p40 it's out of the discussion because of the lack of google service)
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Well I've got my old P20 Pro here, a 5G S20 FE and a Mi 10T Pro and guess which one still 'subjectively' takes far clearer and defined - if a little overly processed - pictures? Yeah it's the one released in March 2018
According to GSMarena the P30 Pro uses the same main sensor which is pretty abysmal for low light videoing so that is why I have avoided it. Oh and the low light recording is pretty terrible (on par with my P20 Pro) but is absolutely outstanding on the Mi10 Pro (pictures are pretty average though even with that big sensor)
I have taken a few pictures, quality seems OK, maybe change some settings to get the wow factor
The pictures are very nice. I came from a mi9 with a 48mp cam but the 12mp of the Samsung gives at least the same quality and even better because of the ois
That's strange. I came from Mi 9 also and while there is more detail on photos took on S20 there is also more noise and colors are bit strange, unnatural. Colors on Mi 9 are much more realistic.
Also a lot of times I do get grainy photos with a lot of noise on S20 FE.
Pretty bad. I have exynos version.
After 40 days of use,
Coming from a Pixel 3a, im disappointed from the main camera, specially at night.
Exynos version, i get oversaturated yellows and oranges (with the AI enhance off), generally saturation is up giving unnatural colors and at low light:
1) it takes 1,5-4 sec for a photo, so forget any moving objects
2) Phone actually "freezes" while processing the nightshot, instead of doing the post-processing in the background, takes 2-5 sec to finish.
3) The depth of field is not that great.
4) I need to bring down exposure all the time, or my highlights are usually blown.
Tele 3X is just ok, ultrwide, i have seen better distortion correction, both have same saturation thing as above.