water leaks into G6 via sim card tray - help! - LG G6 Questions and Answers

i swam in a pool today and had the phone on and off with me video and taking phots for about 45 minutes.
After the swim i washed in tap water and noticed screen was off. i tried turning on. nothing.
i checked the sim card tray and opened it up (it was tightly in place !) and realized water had gotten in.
i blew out the water and placed in a bag of rice. And am waiting. i also read it just leave it out in a well ventilated placed - thats suppose to be better than the rice - any ideas?
i assume it should be dry in a few days.
will it work? or can it work?
is there anything else i can try?
thanks, Sammy

Yeah.. don't stick it in the water?
It's waterresistant, NOT waterproof. It can handle being splashed with water, it's NOT safe for swimming or a long time submerging it.
IP68 standard says it can handle being immersed in water. That means: No movement (dragging it through water can apply a lot of pressure to the seals), clean, distilled water only without additional chemicals (there's a ****ton in pool water). Also, the seals change over time. It may handle being submerged fine out of the store, but 2 years later, the seals will have hardened and lost some of their sealing ability.
IP67 means the unit can be dropped into a body of water up to a meter deep for half an hour, while IP68 guarantees protection in water up to 1.5m deep for the same period of time. Both are resistant to dust.
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is it gone for good ? or can i save it? @Arak0n
thanks.

Turn it off, leave it off, and hope for the best. Wait some days before you try again.

thanks... am waiting patiently !

fastest way to dry something is to blow it with a fan not putting it in rice. It's a myth....

Arak0n said:
Turn it off, leave it off, and hope for the best. Wait some days before you try again.
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it started working after 5 days but kept shutting down after.
Now after 10 or so days it charges fully and works for a day or 2 BUT shuts down if it gets too hot. This never happened before AND I uninstalled all apps (since I had a spare phone which became my main phone) and so without any heavy running apps it's still getting hot every day or so and shutting down.
I wonder why this is happening - any ideas ?
Other than that all is good and everything works fine - which is good news. And i guess i won't swim with it again! :silly:

And now it turns off - and DOESN'T turn back on - anyway lesson learnt. These things aren't water PROOF yet !
:crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying:
sammyDC said:
it started working after 5 days but kept shutting down after.
Now after 10 or so days it charges fully and works for a day or 2 BUT shuts down if it gets too hot. This never happened before AND I uninstalled all apps (since I had a spare phone which became my main phone) and so without any heavy running apps it's still getting hot every day or so and shutting down.
I wonder why this is happening - any ideas ?
Other than that all is good and everything works fine - which is good news. And i guess i won't swim with it again! :silly:
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LoL..went swimming with it and your wonder why it's leaking..lol.
Matt
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And also it turns off randomly sometimes not turning back on until the battery drains - that is I need to charge it before it turns on. It won't charge until its' fully empty. So i can use it for a half day or fully day - but randomly can turn off.
So this kind of make it un-useable!
I guess I sell it for parts -right ?
sammyDC said:
And now it turns off - and DOESN'T turn back on - anyway lesson learnt. These things aren't water PROOF yet !
:crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying:
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It definitely has some short circuit, that's why it's getting hot and turns off. It can end with cooked motherboard or burnt battery. Anyway it's not safe to use or charge phones with short circuit. To safe this phone You have to disassembly it and clean all electronics parts with 99% alcohol like IPA, (remember to clean USB port inside as well) and after cleaning carefully check if it's getting hot again. Of course some circuits might be burnt and without repair center you wont be able to fix it.

Chamelleon said:
It definitely has some short circuit, that's why it's getting hot and turns off. It can end with cooked motherboard or burnt battery. Anyway it's not safe to use or charge phones with short circuit. To safe this phone You have to disassembly it and clean all electronics parts with 99% alcohol like IPA, (remember to clean USB port inside as well) and after cleaning carefully check if it's getting hot again. Of course some circuits might be burnt and without repair center you wont be able to fix it.
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thanks - thats useful device.
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Dropped my 8125 in the tiolet ... Any hope?

Title says it all.
Phone was on before submersion and non-responsive after. I removed all easily removed parts (back, battery, SIM, stylus) and it is air drying.
Yes ... I washed my hands!
Any suggestions?
To be honest I think a total strip down my be in order to totally get rid of all the moisture.
I might be wrong but Never Say Never
Even if you totally stripped it down the damage is permanant and done
I'm not trying to be a downer, but here is the reality.
1) You probably shorted the phone out. It's dead
2) By some LUCKY chance you didn't short the phone out, let it dry for a LONG time with out supply any power to it. Assuming you can bring it back to live, the internals have already gotten wet. Water + Electronics = Corrosion. Your phone won't last long
That sucks man
I would suggest a full or as full as you can tear down and a flush with distilled water and then a very good drying.
I left mine out screen facing up in the pouring rain for 5 hours
was soaking but still working lol
the backlight wasnt happy though,
dried it out and took the battery out after playing with it wondering how it still worked.
all was well
occasionaly you get the white powedery corrosion on the various processor legs (makes contacts where you dont want them ) which most of the time cleaning them off with fix and issues .
Edit my wizard was playing some mp3s the otherday and fell of motorbike at 50 mph and hit the road , stopped picked it up it was still playing the same tune through the speakers ,
amazing build quality for a heavy device to survive that .
Just wondering... When using your phone in the rain is it dodgy? Like will it break the touch screen if it gets too wet? Should we all be buying gay covers?
TheGMan said:
Title says it all.
Phone was on before submersion and non-responsive after. I removed all easily removed parts (back, battery, SIM, stylus) and it is air drying.
Yes ... I washed my hands!
Any suggestions?
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You should rename yourself the PMan! :lol: Sorry could not help myself :wink:
There is some hope for you - read this story http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=54874
If you plan on attempting to clean it, don't use distilled water!
The best thing to use would be pure rubbing alcohol.
Well ... disassembled and patted it dry. Left it out to dry for about 24 hours ... reassembled.
Viola!
Powers up and everything seems to working fine.
GldRush98 said:
Even if you totally stripped it down the damage is permanant and done
I'm not trying to be a downer, but here is the reality.
1) You probably shorted the phone out. It's dead
2) By some LUCKY chance you didn't short the phone out, let it dry for a LONG time with out supply any power to it. Assuming you can bring it back to live, the internals have already gotten wet. Water + Electronics = Corrosion. Your phone won't last long
That sucks man
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Well you are a downer man.
New phones now are hard to short like that, though water do soak into the boards, just hope it didnt soak and damage your screen. Just take apart and dry.

Today is the worst day of my life

I woke up this morning to find my 8525 sitting in my computer chair as usual. Only to reach over and grab it, and ....its sitting in three inches of water. I have no idea what happened, or how it got there. All i know is my phone wont turn on, and is totally dead. Is there ANYTHING that can be done to right this horrid tragedy? Any help would be a gift from god. Thanks
Wow.
Sorry about that.
Let it dry out before trying to use it. Since it's wet, you have nothing to lose by taking it apart to facilitate this. You could dry it faster by using a hair dryer but NOT on the heated setting.
agreed; but let it dry for a day or two before you try, you should also put it somewhere that will provide additional moisture evaporation (gas oven with pilot lights or a furnace room, behind a PC fan or the like). i saved my old Sony S710a by letting it bake in my hot car for about 6 hours while i was at work. just make sure its totally dry before you try, and considering you already voided the warranty with the pool of water incident, you might as well take it apart if you can to make sure its completely dry.
hmm, bad luck.
Try all the above suggestions. But make sure you have disconnected your battery
Tried putting the battery back in after about a good 4-5 hours of being in the sun. All i get is a crackling noise when i try to place the battery to the metal conductors
Ewww.. I know it is stressful for you not to switch on the phone, but doing that will just make matter worst. Since you said that it wont turn on, I presume that you've tried it once (Strike 1), and you did it again 4-5 hours later (Strike 2), which usually others just leave it for at least 1 day (but probably the sun does help).
Can you identify what water is it? Can there be mineral within? Which may cause a short circuit somewhere in the phone. You'll need to open up the phone and clean it up somehow.. either DIY or get some phone shop people to do it. Your warranty is 'washed' anyway.
Try This
Stop Drinking!
Read This To Possible Save You Phone
OK, this comes from my many decades in the electronics industry.
1. PULL the battery. Do not put it back in in few hours.
2. Where did the water come from? Was it really water or? You need to know this. It's real important because mostlikly the PCB is contaminated. Anything that got inside has most likely contaminated the board and will cause shorts, intermitent contacts and the like. Even rain or spring water, it's the minerals...
What you have to do most likely is disassemble the unit. Get a gallon of DISTILLED (not Spring) water. Distilled, also know as deionized is free of all minerals. You are going to have to carefully submerge the board without the LCD in the water and gently rub it with a very soft tooth brush while underwater. Next take it out and put in another bath of distilled water. Agitate it gently. This proces should remove any contamination as long as the offending liquid is not sticky or heavily acidic or base. In the case of the later 2, you are most likely screwed.
Ok, so now you have a wet board. Genly shake the excess water off of it. Turn your oven onto WARM. Nothing above 150 F. Let it warm up and then shut the oven off. Put the PCB in the middle of the oven directly on the rack, close the door and come back 8 to 10 hours later. If the board isn't dry, repeat the steps again.
If you are luck and didn't fry it from trying to power it up, it may work again.
I have saved lots of radio equipment from rain & saltwater submergence this way.
Feel free to PM me if you need to. Good Luck.
I used to have a motorola and dropped it into a bucket of water. Dried out in a few days and it was working fine.
my 8525 recently fell in the sink. as soon as i seen it in the sink i pulled the battery out. rigged the phone up on something in the floor so air could ventilate under and over, set the hair dryer on high (but without the heat) and 5 or so ventilation fans from a desktop pc wired to a 9v battery. let the hair dryer go for about 15 minutes but left the fans on over night. took the phone with me to school the next day and left it in the car during both of my classes. came out put the battery in and powered it up. works just fine now
http://www.wikihow.com/Save-a-Wet-Cell-Phone
ive heard the rice thing works, ive alway wanted to flush with alcohol, that would in theory dilute the water and the alcohol would dry out faster.
Ok so heres the deal. I put the battery in. Power up the phone, gets to the vp3g startup screen, then fades to white. Could someone point me in the direction of a tutorial that shows me how to disassemble a Hermes CORRECTLY.
Hopefully ill be able to give it a DI Water bath and breath a little life back into her. Thanks for all the help guys, I really appreciate it
It's drying out slowly. I had a Hermes that did the same thing - eventually getting to the "screen behavior" you describe. I never fully disassembled it. I just let it sit open, with the battery out, keyboard pulled out, and the back off. Eventually (after leaving overnight), it was fine. Worked normal ever since that with one exception.. I had forgotten to pull the SD card. The SD socket never worked again :-(
Moral of the story: don't forget to take out the SD card.
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It's drying out slowly. I had a Hermes that did the same thing - eventually getting to the "screen behavior" you describe. I never fully disassembled it. I just let it sit open, with the battery out, keyboard pulled out, and the back off. Eventually (after leaving overnight), it was fine. Worked normal ever since that with one exception.. I had forgotten to pull the SD card. The SD socket never worked again :-(
Moral of the story: don't forget to take out the SD card.
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yeah i got lucky. when mine fell in the sink i had the SD card out and in the laptop doing hw. so i guess im really lucky that the sd socket still works
Not worried about the SD card as much... Anyway, Ive popped the back off of my 8525 after removing a couple screws. On the back of the circuit board there is white material that can be wiped off with a little rubbing alcohol and an ear swab. What is that crap? Ill go further in depth here soon once it fully drys. I sure hope I can get this thing running again, birthday is the 13th and would be a nice little gift to myself to get the phone working. Thanks for the help guys
WOW Just look it here...Thats what I call the Power of Unity man. Great piece of work, info. I love all You people. If the world learns anything from XDA developers then there wont be any more human sufferings I am sure..Enjoy friends the power of forum..
If it fades to white, it is still wet.
You need to let it dry a lot longer before trying to use it.
Sterch said:
On the back of the circuit board there is white material that can be wiped off with a little rubbing alcohol and an ear swab. What is that crap?
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Well, those are either stuff from the water or stuff from your phone that is washed and gathered to form some dangerous circuits (much like coffee water rings, that things tend to get to the edge of waters). These stuff may conduct electricity, hence making your phone goes nuts. Search and destroy all these 'crap' Good luck. Don't try the phone unnecessarily until you are sure that all 'crap's are gone. One of these 'crap' may potentially kill your phone (ok, it is usually not that serious, but just incase )
Sad story, I was lucky with similar story, but much cheaper. I left my Nokia BH-600 Blue Tooth Head set in my panties and give them to washing-mashine. 40 degrees program for 30 minutes ended by wringing on 800 turns/minute
When I found it in the pocket I just left it to wither up and it didn’t worked. So I tried to re-charge it and WOW it works and the battery has normal capacity.
Video of 8525 / Hermes being dismantled
Sterch said:
...Could someone point me in the direction of a tutorial that shows me how to disassemble a Hermes CORRECTLY ...
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Don't forget the popcorn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsljpn74SW0

Problem :-(

Hello,
My G1 as for the last year has worked perfect, until a week ago when the battery died. I charger it and turn it back on when it loaded it displayed the lock screen but it wouldn’t unlock there was no notifications bar and wouldn’t turn off. So I took the battery out and tried again it booted past the android screen but it just went black with backlight lit.
I took it to the T-Mobile shop and to my horror the water damage indicator was red but I know that it has not come into contact with water maybe so rain drops but im very careful with it.
So done some research and booted with POWER + HOME and press ALT+W to reset it and hey it works . But today the same thing happened . I’m worried that it’s going to die for good soon.
So I wanted to know your opinion on it and what I can do. T-Mobile won’t touch it.
Thanks
Jason
[Makes Grave]
Here lies...
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Here lies...
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Hahahaha.
OP - try wiping, flashing, and wiping the phone.
If it is water damage then you could try the dry rice method, or put it in a low over ( 60 degrees C or less, warning this IS dangerous and should only be used as a last resort, and you have to be certain that it is not above 80 degrees C, an hour should dry out any lingering water).
The dry rice method just involves removing the battery, and putting the phone in dry rice overnight, apparently the rice soaks up any water in the phone, never had to use this method, but I hear it's effective, can't hurt any can it?
I've heard of moisture actually causing problems like this. That includes moisture from sweat. People have never once even DROPPED their phones and moisture ruining it. :/

[Q] HD2 in salt water for 3 minutes. Now dead

Accidentaly I left my HD2 in my back pocket of swimming suite. Went into the sea for few minutes and went out.
Now the phone is dead.
Any suggestions?
I'm sorry, but what type of help are you looking for? You mean you were hoping that there was a way to revive your device after it went swimming for 3 minutes??
there is very little on the planet that is quite as corrosive as salt water, apart from maybe in chemistry labs.
otacon said:
I'm sorry, but what type of help are you looking for? You mean you were hoping that there was a way to revive your device after it went swimming for 3 minutes??
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What help do you think I need? For sure I don't need your sarcastic answer
Buy new one.
Mike
Remove all the easily-removable parts of the phone (battery cover, battery, sd and sim card). Then leave your phone for in a dry warm place for a while (24-48hours should suffice) so it all dries up.
I can't say the phone will survive, but it's worth a shot.
RJackson said:
Remove all the easily-removable parts of the phone (battery cover, battery, sd and sim card). Then leave your phone for in a dry warm place for a while (24-48hours should suffice) so it all dries up.
I can't say the phone will survive, but it's worth a shot.
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Thanks.
On the internet I found this answer, although I am not sure that for a smartphone it is viable
(?????)
"To anyone who drops their phone in salt water. Get the battery out immediately. When you get home or sooner if you can put the phone in something that will allow fresh water to immerse it entirely. Keep water running in the container for about 3 days continually flushing the phone. Now take all of the water out and fill the container with 99% Isopropyl Alcohol.
Let the phone dry out for at least 2-weeks before trying a fully charged battery in it and turn it on.
Should work and you have just saved yourself buying a new one."
"Let the HD2 in running water for 3 days, and than fill with isopropyl alcohol."
as suggested in internet, would you do it?
Don't put it in normal water! Try the isopropyl alcohol instead. Leave it there for one day or so. It won't do anymore damage and MAY save your device. Let it dry in a warm place for at least one more day. But as said before salt water is very aggressive. Wish you luck!
i would suggest to remove battery and sim-card and put the phone in a bag with rice. i heard that rice absorbs moisture.
get some memory helper pills (for urself)
souljaboy said:
get some memory helper pills (for urself)
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get something else to do, instead of lame replyes
claudioita said:
get something else to do, instead of lame replyes
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To be honest, such a topic isn't going to get many responsible replies, as water ingress isn't something good for electronics, let alone salt water.
If it were my phone, I'd send it to the insurance company and ask for a new one, as it isn't going to last long, no matter what you do with it.
I can't believe I'm the first person to say I'm sorry for your loss, but I am.
From previous encounters, I do agree with the clean with remove everything, alcohol solution, leave for a few weeks, switch on, but realistically, it's a long shot.
I bought my HD2 off the XDA MarketPlace for £310 four months ago if that is any help as a quide price.
The problem isn't water, it is salt water. Pure water is an insulator. The problem is what is in the water. Salts in water corrode and also short circuit. So removing the battery as quick as possible (or if the phone is off) and how quickly the impurities are washed out are the most important factors in saving your phone.
I had a phone that fell out of my shirt pocket into the bath I was filling. It took a minute or so (felt like a lot longer) to find it through the bubble bath. Took the battery out and ran it under the cold tap for about twenty minutes. I let it dry out for just over a week. Tried it out and it showed some signs of life. Left it for a couple of days and retried it a couple of times and it came on. The phone lasted over year (I upgraded it to another WinMo phone).
once you have cleaned and dried it out ensure you clean the battery connects as if there is an corrosion on this you will not get a good contact. If it doesn't work still then try another battery as this is usually the first thing to go. I once put a sony Ericsson in a 60 deg washing cycle, I didn't realise until I heard it banging. I took it out and simply dried it out and i was ok once I had replace the battery. My friend dropped his in a mug of tea and he thought it was dead, he dried it out and replaced the battery, its now ok.
smeddy said:
I can't believe I'm the first person to say I'm sorry for your loss, but I am.
From previous encounters, I do agree with the clean with remove everything, alcohol solution, leave for a few weeks, switch on, but realistically, it's a long shot.
I bought my HD2 off the XDA MarketPlace for £310 four months ago if that is any help as a quide price.
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thanks, very kind.
So far I removed battery, put it under tap water for a bit, now is in a bowl full of rice
Will see what happens
claudioita said:
What help do you think I need? For sure I don't need your sarcastic answer
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My friend, sorry if you took it the wrong way. I meant it more as a joke than a sarcastic answer. If my words were sarcastic to you, then I aplogize.
As mentioned in the posts before this, the main problem is salt water. Furthermore, 3 minutes. The salt water would have penetrated every space possible. Not to be pessimistic, but I really don't think anything can save it...
From the physics point of view clear (better destilled) water is the most importent thing. As longer as better, because only the clean water can wash out the salt residues.
You should try make the water float in the case.
After this you need a week of time or a blow dryer for shorter drying.
Physically Correctly You can try as follows (if it doesn´t work it´s bad luck. Your HD2 is bricked now anyway): EDIT: take out SIM-card, batt, mSD-card before procedure (and clean them under a magnifying glass)
1. ) Put Your HD2 in approx. 32°C double DESTILLED water (from pharmacy-store or car-accessories) for 2 days. Water should be handwarm to have a better solubibility for salts
reason: it contains NO salty parts and chalk (in some areas You have "hard" water from the tap which might worsen the problem)
2.) After 2 days change water and keep it in fresh destilled water handwarm another day
3.) Let it dry in sunshine or in a place with constant 3o°C for one day
4.) Put it then in 99% alcohol for one day (alcohol is hygroscopic and "sucks"
the water out of every corner
5.) Let it dry again in a warm place (30°C) for one week
6. Insert fully charged batt and try Your luck. If it doesn´t work then it´s definitely bricked and You have to buy a new one.

S4 submerged in water

so yesterday as i was outside talking with some friends, i dropped my s4 which then bounched along the grass and down into the drain, fully submerging itsself in about 4 inches of water. the amazing thing is that after pulling it out (still powered on) i turned it off and let it sit and to my surprise everything still works 100%! im not sure if i am just lucky but does anyone know just how much moisture this thing can take? still stuns me that it survived being undwerwater. i thought for sure my $600+ investment had just went down the drain.. (pun intended)
Joomlad said:
so yesterday as i was outside talking with some friends, i dropped my s4 which then bounched along the grass and down into the drain, fully submerging itsself in about 4 inches of water. the amazing thing is that after pulling it out (still powered on) i turned it off and let it sit and to my surprise everything still works 100%! im not sure if i am just lucky but does anyone know just how much moisture this thing can take? still stuns me that it survived being undwerwater. i thought for sure my $600+ investment had just went down the drain.. (pun intended)
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i had this issue on my s2 but after searching google.com i finally found an answer and this works 100% as of now since my s2 still working but bought a new battery anyways here's what i did Putting it in rice is basically trying to suck out the moisture. Depending on how much damage was done it may or may not help.Open the back cover of the phone and remove the battery, put them in, leave it there for days, and it may sucked out the left over moisture inside your phone or if still doesnt work get a Silica gel and that should help your problem as well
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If you wanna try out the rice solution folow this step
1 The first step is to leave your phone alone! DO NOT try to turn your wet cell phone on. Turning on your wet phone can permanently damage the circuitry.
2 Next step is find a bag of rice, preferably white. White rice can absorbs the most water. Ensure that you have enough bag of rice to completely submerge your wet cell phone.
3 Now, place your wet cell phone into the bag of rice. Place the phone in the middle of the bag so that you can no longer see your wet cell phone.
4 Next, place your bag of rice in a dry and warm place.
5 Leave your bag of rice to sit for days. . After waiting for a few days you can turn it on your phone once again. Remember this works on my s2 and i wouldnt not suggest this to you if doesnt work well or go with a plan B "Silica gel packet"
Repulsa said:
i had this issue on my s2 but after searching google.com i finally found an answer and this works 100% as of now since my s2 still working but bought a new battery anyways here's what i did Putting it in rice is basically trying to suck out the moisture. Depending on how much damage was done it may or may not help.Open the back cover of the phone and remove the battery, put them in, leave it there for days, and it may sucked out the left over moisture inside your phone or if still doesnt work get a Silica gel and that should help your problem as well
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thats the thing, it doesnt seem to have done any damage at all, everything all works as it should, i did have some moisture on the inside of the front camera but that has since evaporated. but if it ever happens again ill be sure to try the rice method
Joomlad said:
thats the thing, it doesnt seem to have done any damage at all, everything all works as it should, i did have some moisture on the inside of the front camera but that has since evaporated. but if it ever happens again ill be sure to try the rice method
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it might corrode over time. a water damage could appear weeks or months after getting wet. i wouldn't be too excited if i was you. you might have even worsened it by using it without letting it dry out.
Joomlad said:
thats the thing, it doesnt seem to have done any damage at all, everything all works as it should, i did have some moisture on the inside of the front camera but that has since evaporated. but if it ever happens again ill be sure to try the rice method
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Okey mate goodluck with the phone and i already edit my post on how to do it with that solution have a nice day
dr.wtf said:
it might corrode over time. a water damage could appear weeks or months after getting wet. i wouldn't be too excited if i was you. you might have even worsened it by using it without letting it dry out.
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i hear what your saying, although after it happened i pulled the battery and let it sit for an hour or so. i didnt see any signs of water under the battery area (was in a case) i did have a good look before attempting to power it on
you've got a power plug, a phone connector, a mic and many slots where water could have come in.
dr.wtf said:
you've got a power plug, a phone connector, a mic and many slots where water could have come in.
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i opened the phone up and looked at all the internals, everything is clean and also the water damage indicators are all white as they should be so i think i got away with it, but i'll keep monitoring things and see how it goes. also it wasn't underwater for too long, only a few seconds.

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