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What is this treble i'm seeing all over the XDA forums?

Hey everyone I just wanted to ask what this trebel label means, my lack of understanding and research tells me its kinda like OTA but for a more secure way to push updates to devices? being someone who has been using my device fine, am just a bit wonderous wondering what this Trebel means for my favorite ROM, Recovery and Kernel

dalebaxter01 said:
Hey everyone I just wanted to ask what this trebel label means, my lack of understanding and research tells me its kinda like OTA but for a more secure way to push updates to devices? being someone who has been using my device fine, am just a bit wonderous wondering what this Trebel means for my favorite ROM, Recovery and Kernel
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for the moment, forget about it
it's very green and brings more troubles than solutions or any gain in particular. We will see how things develop with time.
You can read more about treble in here
https://www.xda-developers.com/how-project-treble-revolutionizes-custom-roms-android-oreo/

bornlivedie said:
for the moment, forget about it
it's very green and brings more troubles than solutions or any gain in particular. We will see how things develop with time.
You can read more about treble in here
https://www.xda-developers.com/how-project-treble-revolutionizes-custom-roms-android-oreo/
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Reading the article I'm still a bit confused by what all this would mean for the end user, I really enjoy AEX since I moved from RR and it seems like this is the "latest and greatest" type of situation, yeah okay launches are tough but when everything smoothed out what would this treble allow us all to do?

dalebaxter01 said:
Reading the article I'm still a bit confused by what all this would mean for the end user, I really enjoy AEX since I moved from RR and it seems like this is the "latest and greatest" type of situation, yeah okay launches are tough but when everything smoothed out what would this treble allow us all to do?
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In reality, it means little to the end user. It could theoretically mean that ROMS require less development time, since all roms in theory are based on a single image.
You can kinda of see this with Google's OEM Partners. At Google I/O they listed a number of partner OEMs that were the first to use treble and for the most part they have released upgrades quicker and more reliably then there non-treble counter parts. This also can be extended to the modding community and in general means that porting roms and developing them on a new phone should be easier.
This is all part of a bigger push by Google to gain uniformity across devices. They started requiring security updates in there SLA's and now are pushing treble.

Trebles's All the benifits goes to vendor and stock rom users Rights. As we are Custom Rom users what are the benefits we getting from Treble Projects?

https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/05/13/project-treble-impact-android-custom-rom-community/

alwynjoshy said:
Trebles's All the benifits goes to vendor and stock rom users Rights. As we are Custom Rom users what are the benefits we getting from Treble Projects?
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In the future you will be able to flash the custom treble image specific for your hardware, and then a GSI (Generic System Image) of your choice: RR, AEX, DU, Tesla, etc... that will be generic and able to be flashed in any hardware. That means that GSI development teams will be able to maintain their roms and apply the security fixes without the need to create custom rom versions for each hardware. So, finally we will have real OTA updates for custom ROMs. We all hope LineageOS 16 to have more or less this philosophy too. Well see it in September.
So, benefits for the user:
More ROMs to choose for your device (actually all of them!!!)
More frequent upgrades from custom GSI teams.

Oki said:
In the future you will be able to flash the custom treble image specific for your hardware, and then a GSI (Generic System Image) of your choice: RR, AEX, DU, Tesla, etc... that will be generic and able to be flashed in any hardware. That means that GSI development teams will be able to maintain their roms and apply the security fixes without the need to create custom rom versions for each hardware. So, finally we will have real OTA updates for custom ROMs. We all hope LineageOS 16 to have more or less this philosophy too. Well see it in September.
So, benefits for the user:
More ROMs to choose for your device (actually all of them!!!)
More frequent upgrades from custom GSI teams.
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thanks you well explained ?️.
I have question, If we flashed treble once, are we able to flash any treble based rom, for example any devices treble roms

alwynjoshy said:
thanks you well explained ?️.
I have question, If we flashed treble once, are we able to flash any treble based rom, for example any devices treble roms
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Once you have the Treble framework in place and have then flashed a device specific vendor image you can from that point on flash any GSI ROM. The thing to note is that so far NFound's Treble ROMs have included vendor image files in them which makes them device specific, you need to check for and remove any vendor image files from Treble ROMs created for other devices if you wish to try the ROM on a device other than what it was made for.

alwynjoshy said:
thanks you well explained ?️.
I have question, If we flashed treble once, are we able to flash any treble based rom, for example any devices treble roms
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A treble rom is hardware specific, so you cant flash a treble rom designed for a different device. Only GSIs are compatible with multiple devices, and it is this way since the hardware dependant part is only in the treble rom.
Right now there are not fully treble roms available for the Axon7. The currently available roms labeled as treble are delivered and work as a usual full rom. The treble and system parts are still mixed up in those roms. It will take some time until we could enjoy a fully wotking treble rom in the Axon7.

Android 10 (Q) GSI Images working with Axon 7?

Hey guys
I've seen some Android Q GSI Images on the internet and I'm asking myself whether or not they would work with our axon (A2017G for me)?
Also, I have a general question about GSI on Axon: I've seen A GSI Roms, B GSI Roms and A/B GSI Roms.. what's the difference and more importantly, which one of those can I take for our axon? I have trebleized right now on latest LiquidRemix Pie
Thanks in advance,
Fred x

No harm in trying them out. We use x64 A only. No idea what the differences are

jojofreddy said:
Hey guys
I've seen some Android Q GSI Images on the internet and I'm asking myself whether or not they would work with our axon (A2017G for me)?
Also, I have a general question about GSI on Axon: I've seen A GSI Roms, B GSI Roms and A/B GSI Roms.. what's the difference and more importantly, which one of those can I take for our axon? I have trebleized right now on latest LiquidRemix Pie
Thanks in advance,
Fred x
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There are only two actually: A-only and AB ROMs, this pertains to the seamless update scheme. A-only means you only have one system partition, while AB means that there are two system partitions. If your phone is AB then the ROM can download updates in the background and flash them to the unused partition, and after it's done you can reboot and the active partition will be switched to that one. you basically don't lose time updating.
When Treble for our phone was made by djkuz, it was unclear whether it would be possible to implement an A/B scheme. We wouldn't lose much storage space (maybe none at all) because our stock system partition is actually huge, so it could be shrunk considerably and duplicated (I think it's 6GB in size). Oki said he would look into it some time ago.
Just use ARM64 A-only images for the Axon
Try Q yourself and report back, there's no obvious reason why it wouldn't work. maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, the question is why you would even bother with a leaked release idk

Thank you for your in-depth answer!
I've seen that leaked GSI Rom but also read an article that some sort of DP or Beta will be officially released soon. Maybe I'll get into Rom building, maybe I'll just try and report back, but of course: being on the very bleeding edge
Cheers

I tried the only gsi rom I could find at the time of writing this. I had no luck with all the vendors we have here. Every time I reboot I get a promising android text on the screen as if its booting but soon after it goes to the fastboot menu. It did this for every vendor i used. Let me know other peoples luck with this.

That leaked GSI will never work in axon7 because it requires the device to be "system as root" .
I heard that there will be another version of the GSI but could not find it anywhere

king1990 said:
That leaked GSI will never work in axon7 because it requires the device to be "system as root" .
I heard that there will be another version of the GSI but could not find it anywhere
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Could you briefly explain what this is?

stevecaboose said:
Could you briefly explain what this is?
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System-as-root requires the ramdisk to be part of the system image, as in the AB images
It also loads your img file into root " { "/" folder } compared to the normal /system before.
So, if your kernel is not configured to read the ramdisk from system, then it would not be able to use a System-as-root image.
This is my understanding of it, correct me if I am wrong..

Nfounds treasure of 9.0 AOSP GSI roms (ALL THE BIG ONES ARE HERE)

This is for anyone who wishes to try trebble AOSP 9.0 roms
:cyclops:
(I know, the sharp, knowledgeable members have already found all of this and more, but for those who are newbies to this , like i was 2 weeks ago, this is important)
Since amazingly, not one developer is able to make roms specifically for our phone, we Flashaholics must go for the Trebble \ GSI roms to get high on Android.:fingers-crossed:
Here are some nice roms by NFOUND, a fine developer who has made his personal\public collection of GSI roms for popular AOSP Roms.
AOKP, POSP, ION, HAVOC os, NITROGEN os, AEX, roms and so much more
I bow to his \her greatness.:good::good::good::good::good::victory:
Thanks for sharing , bro
https://androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=282119
NOT ALL OF THEM WILL WORK ON YOUR PHONE
SOME REQUIRE FIXES, WHICH ARE IN THE ROM FOLDER
As to how to flash em, heres an excellent guide.....
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-max-3/how-to/guide-beginners-guide-to-gsi-aosp-rom-t3910085
TIP--- if you cant get to boot using the xiaomi.eu rom with the latest vendor file like 9.3.14 etc
consider using the xiaomi.eu rom with the earlier pie vendor like 8.12.23 because it also boots most of the Nfound Roms.
Thanks to Germano1980 for introducing me to his work
Cheers!:victory:

I always watch his videos on YouTube to see what he's throwing (of course not understanding anything because it's all in Russian).

You forgot AOSiP which is the best one right now as everything works even has gestures too. Also mention that if people cant get to boot using latest vendor file like 9.3.14 etc that they should consider and earlier pie vendor like 8.12.23 as that boots most of these. Good post mate keep it up

I've seen some ROMs treble from it but I'm afraid to install it because of the arb

~Cristiano said:
I've seen some ROMs treble from it but I'm afraid to install it because of the arb
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GSIs don't have ARB

~Cristiano said:
I've seen some ROMs treble from it but I'm afraid to install it because of the arb
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That's only applicable with stock roms mate not custom and GSI.

Why is it necessary to install xiaomi.eu before flashing the custom rom?

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Why is it necessary to install xiaomi.eu before flashing the custom rom?
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Cause it's better than stock for flashing. I don't know the exact reason is but it is a better base. The vendors also seem to be flash friendly

New Nfound GSI: pixel experience from March.
https://androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=291933
Works well after Google dialer patch.

super_sonic said:
New Nfound GSI: pixel experience from March.
https://androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=291933
Works well after Google dialer patch.
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This the best one for mm3?

I like EvolutionX and PixelExperience... I have no issue.

super_sonic said:
I like EvolutionX and PixelExperience... I have no issue.
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what rom miui you come from?

Active ROM's for the Axon 7

I'm currently using LOS 15.1 for my axon 7 but since it's not maintained anymore, I was wondering if there were any other ROMs that were being made or maintained for this device. Thanks in advance!

Im currently using stock A2017G B03 and move on with Huawei Mate 20x, i have been there done that with all known working GSI Roms and to be honest nothing feels as stable as stock especially when you need dolby atmos and banking apps, but if your device is not your primary device then you can try GSI Roms from Erfan or nFound.

Blankisblank said:
I'm currently using LOS 15.1 for my axon 7 but since it's not maintained anymore, I was wondering if there were any other ROMs that were being made or maintained for this device. Thanks in advance!
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A lot of people have Treble'd their device and went with GSIs
I'm on LiquidRemix which seems to work nice with Speedy Vendor and Baddar Kernel

ibphantom said:
A lot of people have Treble'd their device and went with GSIs
I'm on LiquidRemix which seems to work nice with Speedy Vendor and Baddar Kernel
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So I'm a bit confused, is LOS not made from a GSI? Or what's the difference between GSI's like LiquidRemix versus LOS?

Blankisblank said:
So I'm a bit confused, is LOS not made from a GSI? Or what's the difference between GSI's like LiquidRemix versus LOS?
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When you Treble your device you split some partitions of your phone, particularly the vendor partition which opens the possibility of using ROMs from other phones. LOS offers a ROM version and GSI. The ROM versions are usually made just within the threads of the particular device. Some GSIs are broken, but that's because of a hardware mismatch but an updated vendor usually takes care of any mismatches. Each GSI/ROM has it's own custom set of features.
If you like LOS, you could try out the latest LOS16
But check out Havoc or LiquidRemix if you want to test GSIs
Keep in mind that we *may* have one official ROM supported for our phone. But GSIs are usually built monthly by a group of devs and they keep the security features up to date and make small changes like the AOSP public chain from Google.

ibphantom said:
When you Treble your device you split some partitions of your phone, particularly the vendor partition which opens the possibility of using ROMs from other phones. LOS offers a ROM version and GSI. The ROM versions are usually made just within the threads of the particular device. Some GSIs are broken, but that's because of a hardware mismatch but an updated vendor usually takes care of any mismatches. Each GSI/ROM has it's own custom set of features.
If you like LOS, you could try out the latest LOS16
But check out Havoc or LiquidRemix if you want to test GSIs
Keep in mind that we *may* have one official ROM supported for our phone. But GSIs are usually built monthly by a group of devs and they keep the security features up to date and make small changes like the AOSP public chain from Google.
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So GSI's like LiquidRemix or Havoc are supported across multiple devices while ROM's are built more to match that specific device? Would that be correct? And we have a supported ROM still?

Blankisblank said:
So GSI's like LiquidRemix or Havoc are supported across multiple devices while ROM's are built more to match that specific device? Would that be correct? And we have a supported ROM still?
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Yeah. GSIs are meant to be shared across devices with similar hardware and issues with a broken GSI are tweaked by having an updated Vendor file. ROMs are specifically made to match all the hardware in a particular model of phone. I think all the ROMs for the Axon 7 are unofficially supported at this point, which means a 3rd party dev decided to pull the source code of a popular ROM like Lineage and build it for our particular model just because they were feeling nice and appreciated by the people who use it.

ibphantom said:
When you Treble your device you split some partitions of your phone, particularly the vendor partition which opens the possibility of using ROMs from other phones. LOS offers a ROM version and GSI. The ROM versions are usually made just within the threads of the particular device. Some GSIs are broken, but that's because of a hardware mismatch but an updated vendor usually takes care of any mismatches. Each GSI/ROM has it's own custom set of features.
If you like LOS, you could try out the latest LOS16
But check out Havoc or LiquidRemix if you want to test GSIs
Keep in mind that we *may* have one official ROM supported for our phone. But GSIs are usually built monthly by a group of devs and they keep the security features up to date and make small changes like the AOSP public chain from Google.
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ibphantom said:
Yeah. GSIs are meant to be shared across devices with similar hardware and issues with a broken GSI are tweaked by having an updated Vendor file. ROMs are specifically made to match all the hardware in a particular model of phone. I think all the ROMs for the Axon 7 are unofficially supported at this point, which means a 3rd party dev decided to pull the source code of a popular ROM like Lineage and build it for our particular model just because they were feeling nice and appreciated by the people who use it.
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Okay so one last question, is there anything that you lose from moving to a GSI compared to a ROM? Like for example, would I still be able to use the superior audio DAC of the axon 7 or would that not be possible since that's too device specific? Thanks in advance!

Blankisblank said:
Okay so one last question, is there anything that you lose from moving to a GSI compared to a ROM? Like for example, would I still be able to use the superior audio DAC of the axon 7 or would that not be possible since that's too device specific? Thanks in advance!
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Not that I know of. I'm able to use VoLTE and Viper4Android for the HD DAC and I'm on GSI.
Edit: And now that I remember, you should check out raystef66 ROMs. Those are still active for our phone and from an awesome dev.

Project treble and GSI ROMs Vs aosp ports

As we've now finally got lineage os ported to our device as well as a treble support of some sorts, what are the advantages or drawbacks of running either?
Basically I want to drop Samsung and run a aosp ROM on my s8
I can either flash a port like lineage os 16 (which works quite well by the way) or I can go with Hades treble and flash an gsi ROM.
What would be the benefits or drawbacks of either solution?
I hope someone that has now tested both solutions can comment here.

I am assuming here. I think the treble ROMs can to updated with the latest sercurity patches more easily.
I think the los16 port to the s8+ can do the same but from a developers view I don't know how difficult it is to implement each month.
I'm on a treble rom now and always will be due to the fact that the Samsung s8+ patches are coming every 3 to 6 months now after the September sercurity patch.
I need clarification but I think that is the case.
Happy flashing

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In regard to twrp backups. It can be done in treble. Just don't backup the system image. Click everything else. It works for me.

Is it actually already possible to activate treble on an Samsung S8 and install afterwards a GSI rom like "Pixel Experience"? So far I just found this "Project Treble for Samsung Galaxy S8".

_tnt_ said:
Is it actually already possible to activate treble on an Samsung S8 and install afterwards a GSI rom like "Pixel Experience"? So far I just found this "Project Treble for Samsung Galaxy S8".
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...-device-development/aosp-hadestreble-t3953333