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[Q] Root Block: Intentional or Bug?

Cyanogen is saying its a bug. Tmo is saying its a feature. which one is correct?
If it is indeed a bug how would tmo go about fixing our phones? mass recall? sweep under the rug?
If its a feature, is it a precursor to what future phones will be?
Either outcome isnt very good for the consumer and may lead to lots of lost customers for tmo. Specially after tmo releasing a statement that its a feature of the phone.
I love this phone, the very first smartphone i ever had, and was really looking forward to hacking around with it but its hard to justify such a device that locks you out of such features. I hope cyanogen and all the other great devs work out a solution to this problem. I dont want to send it back.
looked for similar threads and couldnt find any.
info link:
h**p://phandroid.com/2010/10/11/cyanogen-calls-shenanigans-on-t-mobile-g2-root-fail-safe-mechanism/

Read teh goddamn internets!
Wtf people??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????!

d0nkey said:
Read teh goddamn internets!
Wtf people??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????!
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This......

SuperFly03 said:
This......
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Absolutely this.

I read all post lol, but I need to do this question, Im always an Iphone user (tmobile network) I bought this G2, I keep reading that cant be root for now, I change it today because got blackout twices....
I dont know what the hell works the root thing.. Just an advices, should keep my G2? or wait for another android phone...
Still have 13 days for return

d0nkey said:
Read teh goddamn internets!
Wtf people??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????!
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care to elaborate?

s30zgt said:
care to elaborate?
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Can you? lol...

AndroidNoober said:
Can you? lol...
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First off learn to type in a understandable format. your previous post just butchers the english language.
Second, i can see that this thread will go nowhere. Mod can you please close this thread?

s30zgt said:
First off learn to type in a understandable format. your previous post just butchers the english language.
Second, i can see that this thread will go nowhere. Mod can you please close this thread?
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Sorry, I know my English is bad.. Is my second language.. I just trying to understand a little bit about this.. Spanish pages are from Mexico or Spain, harder to understand!!!
Like I said, sorry about that.

s30zgt said:
care to elaborate?
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Sure, here: Read the ****ing internet.

krayshunist said:
Sure, here: Read the ****ing internet.
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Wow thanks man lol. I don't need your asinine comments that bring nothing to this thread. Mods please close this thread.

Wow... ppl are such asses..i dont see anything in here that warrants the op to be cursed at...ridiculous
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

People are being jerks for sure, but OP, you should search better cuz your question has been answered in several threads. The short of it is NO. It is not a bug in the sense you are thinking. It is an intentional bug which tricks linux (android os) into thinking writes to the system files during root are being made when in actuality, the writes are only being written to cache. Once the cache is cleared during reboot the root access is erased because it wasn't actually written to the system in the first place. It's not a bug that needs to be fixed. It's a bug that was placed there to fool the system and make permanent root more...challenging.

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s30zgt said:
Cyanogen is saying its a bug. Tmo is saying its a feature. which one is correct?
If it is indeed a bug how would tmo go about fixing our phones? mass recall? sweep under the rug?
If its a feature, is it a precursor to what future phones will be?
Either outcome isnt very good for the consumer and may lead to lots of lost customers for tmo. Specially after tmo releasing a statement that its a feature of the phone.
I love this phone, the very first smartphone i ever had, and was really looking forward to hacking around with it but its hard to justify such a device that locks you out of such features. I hope cyanogen and all the other great devs work out a solution to this problem. I dont want to send it back.
looked for similar threads and couldnt find any.
info link:
h**p://phandroid.com/2010/10/11/cyanogen-calls-shenanigans-on-t-mobile-g2-root-fail-safe-mechanism/
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There is a very informational Wiki out. Check it out. It will get you up to date with all the work that has been done towards root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#Rooting_the_G2

The important part of the question.. for me.. is whether the Z has the same bugFeature.
I see one random user saying that they flashed a G2 rom on a Desire Z and nothing more. Have I missed something? Kinda hard to say yay or nay based solely on that.

"Intentional Bug" ????
If it's intentional, it's NOT a bug.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

Thank you XfooYen for the info. I did a quick search before I posted(the posting page even searches similar post before you publish them) and found nothing similar. I will make sure to search more thoroughly next time.
I am familiar with the current situation with root, I just though that if a well known developer like cyanogen thinks that its a bug that maybe the readers of xda might want to discuss his possible ratonale for such a statement, then again that may not have been what he was trying to say and got it misrepresented by the media. Instead I saw nothing but irrelevent and pointless posts. For a second I thought this was gizmodo or engadget.
Thank you again. Its good to know that xda has readers who actually know what they are talking about and not just the average troll.

androidtoy09 said:
"Intentional Bug" ????
If it's intentional, it's NOT a bug.
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Actually, you're wrong.
RT @cyanogen: @garok89 yeah, and the statement tmobile made is technically wrong. theres nothing that restores the phone, its actually what i'd call a bug

greengoldmello said:
Wow... ppl are such asses..i dont see anything in here that warrants the op to be cursed at...ridiculous
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App
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Agreed. This is XDA. In the years I've been here, there was never this much flaming and douchery as there has been lately.

Google announcing Gingerbread soon?

Here's a tweet from @Googlemobile:
Our cafes are baking something sweet http://twitpic.com/3682u2 (4 minutes ago via web)
I know i won't be able to install the ota since i'm rooted, but i'm excited nonetheless!

Mo_Nexus said:
Here's a tweet from @Googlemobile:
Our cafes are baking something sweet http://twitpic.com/3682u2 (4 minutes ago via web)
I know i won't be able to install the ota since i'm rooted, but i'm excited nonetheless!
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Did this honestly need another thread?

Oh ****! Not another thread about Gingerbread!!!
This is getting so old...

Oh no, not another complaint about another thread!
Relax, it's not like i'm killing trees or taking up space by posting this. I didn't have time to go through the entire forum just to make sure i didn't hurt your feelings. A popup appeared showing possible similar threads, none of them matched, so i submitted it. No need to cry about it.
Thanks.

Mo_Nexus said:
Oh no, not another complaint about another thread!
Relax, it's not like i'm killing trees or taking up space by posting this. I didn't have time to go through the entire forum just to make sure i didn't hurt your feelings. A popup appeared showing possible similar threads, none of them matched, so i submitted it. No need to cry about it.
Thanks.
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There are about 5 GB threads on the first page. Maybe you should start a few more because it will do a lot of good for all of us.

gibosn6594 said:
There are about 5 GB threads on the first page. Maybe you should start a few more because it will do a lot of good for all of us.
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Sure no prob!

To all the complainers, why are you clicking on the threads then?
Mo_Nexus, thanks for the info.

OP, thank you for posting the information. While I wouldn't have created a new thread
myself it still is new news nonetheless so I appreciate it.
Hopefully the mods either lock the excess threads or merge them to de-clutter the forum.

verboten said:
To all the complainers, why are you clicking on the threads then?
Mo_Nexus, thanks for the info.
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No problem Verboten, and thank you for the comment, i appreciate it.

verboten said:
To all the complainers, why are you clicking on the threads then?
Mo_Nexus, thanks for the info.
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Because we can't tell from the thread titles exactly what's in the post.

gibosn6594 said:
Because we can't tell from the thread titles exactly what's in the post.
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I can understand if the thread title was Google announcing Gingerbread!!!
But it's "Google announcing Gingerbread soon?"
With most thread titles, no one can tell exactly whats in the posts.
Just wait for the thread title "Gingerbread is here!!" and click no others than. Simple.

ap3604 said:
OP, thank you for posting the information. While I wouldn't have created a new thread
myself it still is new news nonetheless so I appreciate it.
Hopefully the mods either lock the excess threads or merge them to de-clutter the forum.
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No problem, and i agree, all existing threads should consolidated or something. Hopefully there'll be no need for that if Google stops teasing us & releases 2.3 already.

Cool dude, thanks for the info and welcome this a public forum and everyone share his knowledge, always here like this, when someone post anything even said hi u will see many of the guys here saying sucks comment. THIS IS JUST HOW IT IS. keep going and when u have something to post don't think a lot, JUST POST, if i want to read i will read if i don't i will leave u just thanks

Mo_Nexus said:
No problem, and i agree, all existing threads should consolidated or something. Hopefully there'll be no need for that if Google stops teasing us & releases 2.3 already.
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Google is not teasing us, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PATIENCE, and the thing is when Google release the gingerbread we will start complain THIS ALSO JUST HOW IT IS

NICEGYPT said:
Google is not teasing us
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actually they are teasing with us. they just dont bother their sorry ass to give a proper release date. they just dont even care about to give out an spesifications about the new system. nothing. just some fake news also new screenshots could be fake too. we simply dont know anything about new update. 4 example is the new crappy youtube app staying? what about horrible keyboard?
it just could be stupid update without any new features. also it could be something revolutionary like eclair. but we already knew them BEFORE the eclair released. were just waiting for google's jokes if whole gingerbread is just about some stupid skin and stuff.

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actually they are teasing with us. they just dont bother their sorry ass to give a proper release date. they just dont even care about to give out an spesifications about the new system. nothing. just some fake news also new screenshots could be fake too. we simply dont know anything about new update. 4 example is the new crappy youtube app staying? what about horrible keyboard?
it just could be stupid update without any new features. also it could be something revolutionary like eclair. but we already knew them BEFORE the eclair released. were just waiting for google's jokes if whole gingerbread is just about some stupid skin and stuff.
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Please tell me english isn't your native language, I'll totally understand then. Anyhow Google have 0 commitment to providing us with pre-release info. It's *UNRELEASED* therefore they could deny the existence of GB itself and are completely within their right to do so. These little bits of info like not so secretive tweets are just a bit of fun, surely I'm not the only one who likes the suspense/surprise regarding the lack of GB info?

New sys update

Just came in d/l, installed. Had the coolest Android green gears ani. I have ever seen. Haven't had time to check it out. Keep your eyes open for it, do manual check for it.

Yeah the new spinning gears inside the Android during the update were really cool. I kinda freaked out when they froze for about a minute at the end of the process. Still the standard Android boot logo after the update though.
New version: Acer_A500_4.010.13_COM_GEN2 (previously was on 4.010.11)
Does anyone know what this patch does? I happily report it does not break root access, nor did it break my Netflix library fix. Also, my same tun.ko still works.

Are you f-ing kidding?
You open a thread just to say that?
Do you have eyes??? Read around the threads abit man!!!
You wasting everybodys time with this 'information'
You HAVE INFORMED EVERYBODY WITH NOTHING!!! REGION/SYSTEM BUILD/TIME OF/BUILD BEFORE/SIZE??????
MOD PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD.
Edit: I'm actually pure evil once you get to know me
PS: Apologized to the dude already, he seems to be a nice person judging by the 2nd post.

Aren't you a friendly person!

cybermage1 said:
Aren't you a friendly person!
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He's s a major D H !

pov1 said:
Just came in d/l, installed. Had the coolest Android green gears ani. I have ever seen. Haven't had time to check it out. Keep your eyes open for it, do manual check for it.
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Awesome!
*looks for "Like" button*
Oh wait...

gammaRascal said:
Awesome!
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Got to apologize didn't see all the other threads. I was in a hurry & thought i was doing something useful . How to delete thread ?

pov1 said:
Got to apologize didn't see all the other threads. I was in a hurry & thought i was doing something useful . How to delete thread ?
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Don't worry pov, Johnny is know for being a major j/o.
Thanks for the info even if we did already have it

Johnny0906 said:
Are you f-ing kidding?
You open a thread just to say that?
Do you have eyes??? Read around the threads abit man!!!
You wasting everybodys time with this 'information'
You HAVE INFORMED EVERYBODY WITH NOTHING!!! REGION/SYSTEM BUILD/TIME OF/BUILD BEFORE/SIZE??????
MOD PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD.
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You are an idiot. Why did you even respond.
Sent from my A500 using XDA Premium App

Can't we have a system for voting positively on posts, Please. That way useful information can be made more easily accessible. Down-voting wouldn't make much sense here since this is not a forum for opinions.
On a side note, I don't understand if people do not find something useful why do they still have to comment on it. It's not like you are forced to read each and every post or thread, so wasting people's time does not sound like a much valid argument.

qhinton said:
You are an idiot. Why did you even respond.
Sent from my A500 using XDA Premium App
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LoL!!! Why are YOU responding? hahahahahahahaha
Jackass...

XBoxD00D said:
Don't worry pov, Johnny is know for being a major j/o.
Thanks for the info even if we did already have it
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Oh really you know me? lol

pov1 said:
Got to apologize didn't see all the other threads. I was in a hurry & thought i was doing something useful . How to delete thread ?
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Hey look im sorry but i was in a bad mood and maybe could have a bit more gentle. its just that i have been seeing threads ALL OVER THE PLACE about updates and there are sooo many dumb threads and duplicates that I got pissed off. Im sorry to you, the other guys can kiss my ass because they are behind (probably where they like it lol) because they are doing EXACTLY what I did if you think about it
I think there is a big need for more mods here.

Johnny0906 said:
Hey look im sorry but i was in a bad mood and maybe could have a bit more gentle. its just that i have been seeing threads ALL OVER THE PLACE about updates and there are sooo many dumb threads and duplicates that I got pissed off. Im sorry to you, the other guys can kiss my ass because they are behind (probably where they like it lol) because they are doing EXACTLY what I did if you think about it
I think there is a big need for more mods here.
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I appreciate your response but it seems as a result of this whole thing I was put on probation because of the original ? post, kind of ticks me off to put it mildly ! No reason as to why. I completely understand when you have a bad day & respond the way you did I've done the same thing.
Oh to heck with it, who knows what or how the powers that be think.

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I appreciate your response but it seems as a result of this whole thing I was put on probation because of the original ? post, kind of ticks me off to put it mildly ! No reason as to why. I completely understand when you have a bad day & respond the way you did I've done the same thing.
Oh to heck with it, who knows what or how the powers that be think.
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Probation? What did it say? What did you do?

Johnny0906 said:
Probation? What did it say? What did you do?
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Hey Johny, prior to this post in my posts, there was name then under that member. Since this thread I had member [ OP] , maybe I'm misinterpreting the meaning. I was really tired & irritable late last night. (grumpy old man syndrome) doesn't really matter today. I've always been curious what the letters designate & just assumed. Thanks for the concern.
Bob

Original Poster

pov1 said:
Hey Johny, prior to this post in my posts, there was name then under that member. Since this thread I had member [ OP] , maybe I'm misinterpreting the meaning. I was really tired & irritable late last night. (grumpy old man syndrome) doesn't really matter today. I've always been curious what the letters designate & just assumed. Thanks for the concern.
Bob
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Just like gammarascal says, its Original Page. Anybody that start a thread gets that.
not On Probation haha, you ever done time? I have so I can relate hehe.

Johnny0906 said:
Just like gammarascal says, its Original Page. Anybody that start a thread gets that.
not On Probation haha, you ever done time? I have so I can relate hehe.
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No comment ! HaHa. Thanks guys, that's what comes from having an overactive imagination......

Multi window feature not working

Hi all, I am new to the rooting community, I just rooted my note2 few weeks ago and I see that the multi window feature is not working on phone. Any ideas? Thanks.

harmeet.jaipur said:
Hi all, I am new to the rooting community, I just rooted my note2 few weeks ago and I see that the multi window feature is not working on phone. Any ideas? Thanks.
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That's because it's still a work in progress, and not merged yet. In the official releases. You'd have to find an unofficial build with it included.

Oh, alright, thanks. Any ideas when it might be completed?

harmeet.jaipur said:
Oh, alright, thanks. Any ideas when it might be completed?
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As far as I know there will never be any release dates concerning new features ect.. And it might
be considered rude to ask for them. I think someone said: It'll be done when it's done. Or sth. like that ^^

chuSmu said:
As far as I know there will never be any release dates concerning new features ect.. And it might
be considered rude to ask for them. I think someone said: It'll be done when it's done. Or sth. like that ^^
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Yup. "Never ask for ETAs" was Rule #1 for Cyanogenmod, and while we intend to many things differently from CM, "No ETAs" is not something we intend to change.

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Yup. "Never ask for ETAs" was Rule #1 for Cyanogenmod, and while we intend to many things differently from CM, "No ETAs" is not something we intend to change.
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My apologies, I am new to this, I didn't know about the no etas rule.

harmeet.jaipur said:
My apologies, I am new to this, I didn't know about the no etas rule.
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Don't worry. If you're wise, you'll remember it and go on with patience. If you aren't you'll be forumically slain and left for the crows. It's a cutthroat world, this internet; best have your wits about you.

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Don't worry. If you're wise, you'll remember it and go on with patience. If you aren't you'll be forumically slain and left for the crows. It's a cutthroat world, this internet; best have your wits about you.
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I am not new to the internets, just new to rooting and the whole android community, but thanks!

lineage os/cm possible?

Guys is it possible to create a whole new rom without emui 5 for this device ?

Try it.. Maybe it should.

wait within one month max and your wish will be granted

simo255 said:
wait within one month max and your wish will be granted
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HYPE

Soon..

Meticulus made a cm14 for our phone. But because of some stupid kids who kept spamming with stupid questions, he had no choice but to delete his work.

Johnny TDN said:
Meticulus made a cm14 for our phone. But because of some stupid kids who kept spamming with stupid questions, he had no choice but to delete his work.
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It's not about stupid kids, it's about stupid and narcistic developer. Back to topic - we will have LOS soon - new dev who actually likes people will start working on it soon.

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It's not about stupid kids, it's about stupid and narcistic developer. Back to topic - we will have LOS soon - new dev who actually likes people will start working on it soon.
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Offtopic
How he was stupid and narcistic?
He couldn't stand those spamming questions about things that Meticulus already knew.

Johnny TDN said:
Offtopic
How he was stupid and narcistic?
He couldn't stand those spamming questions about things that Meticulus already knew.
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man, you really dont know the whole story, so keep away please.

simo255 said:
wait within one month max and your wish will be granted
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Hope that you will work on Dual sim variants as well.

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Hope that you will work on Dual sim variants as well.
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it isnt me who will build linOs
so wait and see

Is there really someone who follows though on his work and appreciates criticism who is working on lineage for our device? That is great news! Where can we follow progress, if we can?

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Is there really someone who follows though on his work and appreciates criticism who is working on lineage for our device? That is great news! Where can we follow progress, if we can?
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Our Telegram group!

Potato997 said:
Our Telegram group!
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Give me the link, please

SALVO9 said:
Give me the link, please
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Check discussion thread here on XDA