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I have the Advanced Task Killer app for my phone (new android user lol) and with autokill set to "Crazy" on screen-off.
so most of the time I'll have ~200mb free ram. makes me feel good with big numbers.
but as i run more applications(settings/whatever), more com services start to run. i'm just wondering if there's a list somewhere (searched the net numerous times) about safe com-services to kill.
all in all... how much free ram do you have on average before/after kills?
I always have 90-110M ram
I've got AutoKiller set to aggressive, leaves me with about 100mb free. More than enough, imo.
I read somewhere that using task managers to kill apps ends them in an... improper way? Might want to look into AutoKiller instead ;o
steffe.jst said:
I've got AutoKiller set to aggressive, leaves me with about 100mb free. More than enough, imo.
I read somewhere that using task managers to kill apps ends them in an... improper way? Might want to look into AutoKiller instead ;o
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quite right, they interfere with androids memory management and can in fact actually cause slowdowns. Android like most modern operating systems have pretty good memory management and things that try and take that role over usually just end up causing issues.
I was using aggressive but have moved to strict and find that just as good, the lower you can go the better really.
Free memory is really wasted memory in modern OS's.
If the device constantly has 60MB free ram, i dont really see the real benefit of it having 200MB of ram.. i mean i expect it to perform the same since it is not running out of ram yet.
EarlZ said:
If the device constantly has 60MB free ram, i dont really see the real benefit of it having 200MB of ram.. i mean i expect it to perform the same since it is not running out of ram yet.
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Trouble is, if you go too low on this device it becomes very laggy. As I type this I am down to 42mb and the thing is a dog!
Kilack said:
quite right, they interfere with androids memory management and can in fact actually cause slowdowns. Android like most modern operating systems have pretty good memory management and things that try and take that role over usually just end up causing issues.
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What makes me wonder if you let Android do everything on its own (eg. not close applications until more ram is needed), isn't the CPU used a lot more? Some programs aren't just on standby when not used afaik.
I reckon you're doing exactly the opposite. See, unless the app has service like functions it's unlikely to be using any clock cycles when onPause or onStop functions has been called.
On the other hand, if you simply kill an app the entire process of loading parts of app into RAM will have to be executed again, should you decide to start the app up again.
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I reckon you're doing exactly the opposite. See, unless the app has service like functions it's unlikely to be using any clock cycles when onPause or onStop functions has been called.
On the other hand, if you simply kill an app the entire process of loading parts of app into RAM will have to be executed again, should you decide to start the app up again.
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If the app does have services running which are doing things like maintaining a database, syncing with servers, etc. then force closing these background tasks may corrupt databases and cause other problems. The services are probably set up to auto start as well, so they will just come right back and use up battery+cpu reinitializing.
Also, you don't need 200mb of ram free when your phone isn't doing anything. If you do launch something that needs 200mb of ram, then your phone will kill off everything it needs (in this order-> apps without any windows, background windows, background services).
Also, most people will use the same apps (email, phone, etc) throughout the day, and only occasionally launch new apps. If you follow this usage, and you use a task killer, then every time you go into email, the email application has to fully restart which costs you battery, disk acces, etc.
hmm true. i guess i'm just ram hungry. i get about 150~ on average though. i should probably go back to autokiller and put it on a lower threshold.
but damn, my phone drains 30% overnight? it's appalling, anyone has that issue?
Adevem said:
hmm true. i guess i'm just ram hungry. i get about 150~ on average though. i should probably go back to autokiller and put it on a lower threshold.
but damn, my phone drains 30% overnight? it's appalling, anyone has that issue?
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You possibly have something on a high refresh interval, which is waking the phone throughout the night to sync. I was having this problem when I frist installed twitter as it ended up on a 15min refresh. I now have everything on the same refresh cycle, 3hrs I think, and now the phone is pretty much fully charged still in the morning.
impossible, I've for every syncs I know set to off. but I've flashed samset and all that good stuff so I shall monitor over the days!
My average is about 150 too , some times even 200
I have never seen 200MB of free MB. About 150 is the maximum I can get up to right now.
Still, why does the android OS use up so much RAM?
snapper.fishes said:
I have never seen 200MB of free MB. About 150 is the maximum I can get up to right now.
Still, why does the android OS use up so much RAM?
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Because it can.
Aslong as there's enough free ram (determined by values alterable with AutoKiller) Android won't close applications/services for the simple reason that "Free RAM is wasted RAM". The only "benefit" of having tons of free RAM is epeen factor and possibly sometimes if you happen to load up a very RAM heavy game.
Note the "possibly sometimes"
jonidroid said:
My average is about 150 too , some times even 200
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My most often available RAM if I leave things untouched and see 20+ programs running is about 80mb. If/when I am using ATK (I use manual mode), I see about 150, but 50+ goes into my UI combo (LauncherPro + Quickdesk + WidgetLocker + Widgets)
Adevem said:
hmm true. i guess i'm just ram hungry. i get about 150~ on average though. i should probably go back to autokiller and put it on a lower threshold.
but damn, my phone drains 30% overnight? it's appalling, anyone has that issue?
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I have the Advanced Task Killer app for my phone (new android user lol) and with autokill set to "Crazy" on screen-off.
so most of the time I'll have ~200mb free ram. makes me feel good with big numbers.
but as i run more applications(settings/whatever), more com services start to run. i'm just wondering if there's a list somewhere (searched the net numerous times) about safe com-services to kill.
all in all... how much free ram do you have on average before/after kills?
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Two biggest things that kill my battery when I'm not "using" the device is sync and ATK. Do not use ATK at night, no matter what, it's essentially wasted. IMO, for typical users there is also more costs associated with autosync during the night than benefits (cost = battery life, and a tiny bit of bandwidth... benefit = having the info available when you turn ur screen on rather than waiting less than 5 mins to get said info).
What ATK essentially does is take the phone out of an idle mode, run the processor to clear up memory. Then, Android does it's thing and opens more programs, recreating the need and a vicious cycle of close-open-close-open where you are using processor that is completely unnecessary. It sounds like you already have your answers and solution from this thread, but I'm just here to reaffirm your belief.
I'm also a bit of a RAM queen, but I only use ATK in the following two scenarios:
1) I'm about to do some heavy tasks (usually gaming, sometimes a GPS tracking)
2) I've just synced and updated to the marketplace (everything under the sun has launched and I just want to see them closed.
In both of these scenarios I actually kill ATK as well, I open it back up and see about 180mb of free RAM (and as I've said, I have about 50mb dedicated to my custom UI).
- Unrooted SHW-m110s, Korean, Galaxy S (waiting for FroYo).
alovell83 said:
I'm also a bit of a RAM queen, but I only use ATK in the following two scenarios:
1) I'm about to do some heavy tasks (usually gaming, sometimes a GPS tracking)
2) I've just synced and updated to the marketplace (everything under the sun has launched and I just want to see them closed.
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I'm curious if this helps you at all - if I run ATK to kill tasks before starting a game, the game launches maybe 1-2 seconds quicker, but actually running ATK to kill the tasks takes 5+ seconds. Once I'm inside a game/benchmark, my fps seems to be identical.
Do you see the same thing? If so, why do you use ATK?
326Mb on i9000ugjg9
same with the international version
Adevem said:
I have the Advanced Task Killer app for my phone (new android user lol) and with autokill set to "Crazy" on screen-off.
so most of the time I'll have ~200mb free ram. makes me feel good with big numbers.
but as i run more applications(settings/whatever), more com services start to run. i'm just wondering if there's a list somewhere (searched the net numerous times) about safe com-services to kill.
all in all... how much free ram do you have on average before/after kills?
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AllGamer said:
326Mb on i9000ugjg9
same with the international version
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326mb as reported by atk ?
AllGamer said:
326Mb on i9000ugjg9
same with the international version
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Sure you're not looking at total RAM available? 'Cause that's the number I see when I go into Samsung's Task Manager (X/326MB).
Also jg9? I must've missed something
Hey guys, what's normal ram usage for you?
Cause to me, what I'm getting seems higher than it should be.
I'm seeing well in excess of a gigabytes used when I'm not doing anything on it, even after I first restart, there's around a gig used. I removed apps I don't use, I'm running the latest release of PACrom, here's a screenshot I just took.
http://imgur.com/w5KGKJF
Also battery usage always seems high, could that be related possibly?
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1.3Gig is usually normal for touchwiz but for AOSP not try changing the Rom and see as for the battery check what apps are draining it
Yeah, that's normal.Mine is using 1 gib and I don't have any apps running.
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1.3Gig is usually normal for touchwiz but for AOSP not try changing the Rom and see as for the battery check what apps are draining it
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My run is AOSP based, and according to the settings, the screen uses most of it.
But I rarely have the brightness up high, and often battery widget says I'm using in excess of 1300mah D:
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I'm using stock ROM with Deodexed and Zipaligned apps, My RAM is 0.8GB when no apps is opened, and it goes to 1GB when few apps are opened
That is NOT NORMAL AT ALL... Using aosp based Roms like pacman and slim bean I have an average of 400mb used and like 1.4 free... I don't think I've ever passed 800mb running an aosp ROM or any ROM for a matter a fact... Check to male sure it doesn't count cached apps cause that takes up around a gig sometimes...
..... its normal if you have some widget running....
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There is no reason to care about ram usage on a Linux system.
In Linux, unused ram is wasted ram.
Using all your ram doesn't mean no more ram is available. It means that the system is storing everything its done recently in ram so its more quickly accessed if you try to use it again. If your ram is full and you need to do something else the system will effectively and efficiently push the lowest priority task out of ram to free up more for the new task.
Using all your ram does NOT slow the system down. It is not like Windows where freeing up ram makes everything run faster.
All this monitoring ram is pointless in a Linux based OS.
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Skipjacks said:
There is no reason to care about ram usage on a Linux system.
In Linux, unused ram is wasted ram.
Using all your ram doesn't mean no more ram is available. It means that the system is storing everything its done recently in ram so its more quickly accessed if you try to use it again. If your ram is full and you need to do something else the system will effectively and efficiently push the lowest priority task out of ram to free up more for the new task.
Using all your ram does NOT slow the system down. It is not like Windows where freeing up ram makes everything run faster.
All this monitoring ram is pointless in a Linux based OS.
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I fully agree with your clear explanations but in my case when I reach low memory level like 100 Mg the camera doesn't fully start (black window).
I am forced to reboot or clean as well.
I feel something is weird in this phone memory managment. (GT9500 model for me)
Skipjacks said:
There is no reason to care about ram usage on a Linux system.
In Linux, unused ram is wasted ram.
Using all your ram doesn't mean no more ram is available. It means that the system is storing everything its done recently in ram so its more quickly accessed if you try to use it again. If your ram is full and you need to do something else the system will effectively and efficiently push the lowest priority task out of ram to free up more for the new task.
Using all your ram does NOT slow the system down. It is not like Windows where freeing up ram makes everything run faster.
All this monitoring ram is pointless in a Linux based OS.
Sent from your phone. You should be careful where you leave that thing.
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Best answer ive seen c:
This takes me to my other question of could this be affecting battery life ?
Ive had the battery go from 100% down to 85% in a space of 20 minutes, with brightness on auto, and only using one app (LINE) :c
I remembered seeing other peoples comments on using only a few hundred meg of ram, and also seeing compliments on the battery life of the rom (PACrom) around those same posts, So im trying to figure out how to prolong my battery life as its pretty important to me, I dont really get a chance to charge throughout the day D:
CountParadox said:
Best answer ive seen c:
This takes me to my other question of could this be affecting battery life ?
Ive had the battery go from 100% down to 85% in a space of 20 minutes, with brightness on auto, and only using one app (LINE) :c
I remembered seeing other peoples comments on using only a few hundred meg of ram, and also seeing compliments on the battery life of the rom (PACrom) around those same posts, So im trying to figure out how to prolong my battery life as its pretty important to me, I dont really get a chance to charge throughout the day D:
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Your question has nothing to see about this thread subject, so be kind to REpost direct to q&A. iT will be a better audience able to quickly answer.
lolo9393 said:
Your question has nothing to see about this thread subject, so be kind to REpost direct to q&A. iT will be a better audience able to quickly answer.
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Will do!
Can anyone of you download advance task killer from the android market/Google Play. Download and could you check how many memory do you have? When I bought my note, I had only 40% of memory available on my phone, which means about 800 MB, and I couldn't take advantage the rest of the 2+GB memory because phone has couple hundred apps preinstalled... Now I started clearing and un installing all these unnecessary apps and now I have about 1.6 GB memory available on my phone, and as a result of that I was able to get two days battery every day. Basically I can't finish my battery in one day regardless of the usage, which is really good....
bishaarcc said:
Can anyone of you download advance task killer from the android market/Google Play. Download and could you check how many memory do you have? When I bought my note, I had only 40% of memory available on my phone, which means about 800 MB, and I couldn't take advantage the rest of the 2+GB memory because phone has couple hundred apps preinstalled... Now I started clearing and un installing all these unnecessary apps and now I have about 1.6 GB memory available on my phone, and as a result of that I was able to get two days battery every day. Basically I can't finish my battery in one day regardless of the usage, which is really good....
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Zip aligning the apps should give you more RAM as well. but yeah, hibernating with greenify and freezing apps really cleans the used RAM footprint up and gives you much improved battery.
bishaarcc said:
Can anyone of you download advance task killer from the android market/Google Play. Download and could you check how many memory do you have? When I bought my note, I had only 40% of memory available on my phone, which means about 800 MB, and I couldn't take advantage the rest of the 2+GB memory because phone has couple hundred apps preinstalled... Now I started clearing and un installing all these unnecessary apps and now I have about 1.6 GB memory available on my phone, and as a result of that I was able to get two days battery every day. Basically I can't finish my battery in one day regardless of the usage, which is really good....
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Don't worry about it, in Android free memory is wasted memory. This is how the sistem works... and it works well.
pedmond said:
Don't worry about it, in Android free memory is wasted memory. This is how the sistem works... and it works well.
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That's true to an extent. However when you have apps sitting in the memory using it all up then other apps will be automatically killed and this will cause redraws and extra time loading the app again. This happened on the 2gb version of the G3 which had a lot of launcher redraws because of all the bloatware. It's still best to get rid of bloatware so it doesn't reside in the RAM and cause apps you actually use to get killed.
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Can anyone of you download advance task killer from the android market/Google Play. Download and could you check how many memory do you have? When I bought my note, I had only 40% of memory available on my phone, which means about 800 MB, and I couldn't take advantage the rest of the 2+GB memory because phone has couple hundred apps preinstalled... Now I started clearing and un installing all these unnecessary apps and now I have about 1.6 GB memory available on my phone, and as a result of that I was able to get two days battery every day. Basically I can't finish my battery in one day regardless of the usage, which is really good....
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My freshly restarted note 4 shows 2.1 used out of available 2.7. There is an extreme amount of bloat and note specific apps running in TW that cannot be easily killed if at all.
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Antutu widget has the memory cleaner. I use only before games like Galaxy on Fire 2 HD, or if I run a benchmark. But debloated android you should leave alone memory unless you need many ram for specific app. Cleaning memory will consume your battery as CPU work harder reloading everything.
Note 4 debloated has much memory requirments. Android design handles that and it works good debloated. Android RAM is never should be in your mind as it works on PC.
Sublation said:
Antutu widget has the memory cleaner. I use only before games like Galaxy on Fire 2 HD, or if I run a benchmark. But debloated android you should leave alone memory unless you need many ram for specific app. Cleaning memory will consume your battery as CPU work harder reloading everything.
Note 4 debloated has much memory requirments. Android design handles that and it works good debloated. Android RAM is never should be in your mind as it works on PC.
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"Cleaning memory will consume your battery as CPU work harder reloading everything" Actually my experience tells me different than what you're saying. When I bought my note 4 my battery was very bad, I could't use it even one day, but now and after I compulutely removed all bul..... apps my phone gives me Two days normal usage or a day of crazy usage.......
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"Cleaning memory will consume your battery as CPU work harder reloading everything" Actually my experience tells me different than what you're saying. When I bought my note 4 my battery was very bad, I could't use it even one day, but now and after I compulutely removed all bul..... apps my phone gives me Two days normal usage or a day of crazy usage.......
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That is so good. I am receiving 24 hour but with 1x mobile here in Phillipines that is good. Very much demand user I am being. Note 3 I only have 12 hour.
But I am referring to cleaning memory on debloated the device. On bloated device cleaning memory is helpful
Just got a new s6 edge+ and absolutely blown away with the phone as a whole.
Only problem/issue is the RAM usage. I'm a light user for 90% of the day and i have barely any apps installed, yet the RAM is always above 50% even when all apps are closed and i 'clean' the RAM. Average RAM usage is 75%. 3GB?!?
Is this normal to all other users? My thought are that it could be a false reading. Or that it could be dummy using RAM and reassigns it to wherever needs it when any high usage apps run.
I am a UK user and the only update applied was a carrier pushed update. (E.g. i havent done any updates myself or messed around with the phone).
Attached is a screenshot of my kernal and baseband versions for anyone interest.
Any thoughts would be appreciated, thanks, Zack.
I see the same on my SM-G9827 phone.It opens around 30 apps in background.If you clean them regularly it kills the battery.Its better to leave them like that.I am getting 6 hours SOT with 3 % left if i leave them as it it.
Ram is ment to be used. To make apps open fast when you need them. A lot of free ram does not make your phone faster AFAIK. So keep those apps running and enjoy a fast phone!
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Joakim_Aronsson said:
Ram is ment to be used. To make apps open fast when you need them. A lot of free ram does not make your phone faster AFAIK. So keep those apps running and enjoy a fast phone!
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I agree.
RAM is meant to be used, you've got 4GB of it. The OS has been optimised to kill any processes that haven't been used if memory is filling up. Forget about saving RAM and focus on enjoying the device.
So I have the 8gb RAM variant unlocked version and looking in developer settings I've noticed a jump in the actual (not average) amount of RAM being used at any point in the day. It seems that a majority of it is system stuff. This stuff is not affiliated with any app as far as I can tell and it's using up a decent amount of RAM even after wiping cache in recovery which I'm worried about seeing down the device in the future. If anything, would the solution be to disable some apps and if so which ones? I've already turned off most gestures and other always on stuff. Is this happening for anyone else? And if so is this normal?
Mine is doing the same. According to the ram stats, System is averaging 3.9gb of usage...
"unused RAM is wasted RAM"...
That's Smart Boost, y'all.