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Hey, sorry if this is discussed in another thread, but I read a few and couldn't find the answer.
I'm on ATT, but I want to have an unlocked bootloader, so if I buy the Tmobile version for full price online can I just put my ATT sim card in there and it will work? Also will I be able to get LTE?

Pikezer1337 said:
Hey, sorry if this is discussed in another thread, but I read a few and couldn't find the answer.
I'm on ATT, but I want to have an unlocked bootloader, so if I buy the Tmobile version for full price online can I just put my ATT sim card in there and it will work? Also will I be able to get LTE?
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I don't believe it is that easy. YOu either need to get Tmobile to Unlock the phone so you can move it to another carrier or pay someone online to unlock it - I don't think you can just switch sim cards unless you have first unlocked the phone. (I am not talking about unlocking the bootloader - that is something else entirely - TMOBILE probably won't lock theirs like ATT does - but the phone itself is locked to the carrier until you get it unlocked)

mocsab said:
I don't believe it is that easy. YOu either need to get Tmobile to Unlock the phone so you can move it to another carrier or pay someone online to unlock it - I don't think you can just switch sim cards unless you have first unlocked the phone. (I am not talking about unlocking the bootloader - that is something else entirely - TMOBILE probably won't lock theirs like ATT does - but the phone itself is locked to the carrier until you get it unlocked)
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Well if I buy it from Negri online it says it already comes unlocked. So since it is unlocked then is it able to be used on ATT, or is it only unlocked for Tmobile?

Pikezer1337 said:
Well if I buy it from Negri online it says it already comes unlocked. So since it is unlocked then is it able to be used on ATT, or is it only unlocked for Tmobile?
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The unlocked from Negri should work without issues

apascual89 said:
The unlocked from Negri should work without issues
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And I should still have LTE?

Pikezer1337 said:
Well if I buy it from Negri online it says it already comes unlocked. So since it is unlocked then is it able to be used on ATT, or is it only unlocked for Tmobile?
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If you buy it from TMOBILE it is probably locked but there are a bunch of places you can buy unlocked Note 3's - plus yiou can always unlock the MOBILE NOTE 3 either with TOMOBILEs help or thru an online service.

apascual89 said:
The unlocked from Negri should work without issues
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Plus I believe the Negri version is cheaper.

Pikezer1337 said:
And I should still have LTE?
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Yes you should. It has the bands to support it. Keyword should until someone with device on hand confirms it.

I plan on walking in Wednesday afternoon to a T-Mobile store, purchasing two Note 3s at full price (one black, one white) and then immediately using them both on AT&T. Actually one phone on AT&T and the other on AIO Wireless (AT&T network).
My history is with Verizon and Sprint so I'm not 100% sure about all the specifics of SIM cards.
I'd imagine I'll ask if its SIM locked, hopefully they say no and I'll be on my way. But if it is carrier SIM locked, I just ask them to unlock the device? Is this normal? Does anyone see any issues with this?

TerryNova said:
I plan on walking in Wednesday afternoon to a T-Mobile store, purchasing two Note 3s at full price (one black, one white) and then immediately using them both on AT&T. Actually one phone on AT&T and the other on AIO Wireless (AT&T network).
My history is with Verizon and Sprint so I'm not 100% sure about all the specifics of SIM cards.
I'd imagine I'll ask if its SIM locked, hopefully they say no and I'll be on my way. But if it is carrier SIM locked, I just ask them to unlock the device? Is this normal? Does anyone see any issues with this?
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i dont think they will be selling the device alone at full price anytime soon..

i ordered mine from negri and overnighted it so i am hoping to get it wensday/thursday. will post back with results but if it is unlocked fcc confirms which bands it works with so there should be no issues at all.

TerryNova said:
I plan on walking in Wednesday afternoon to a T-Mobile store, purchasing two Note 3s at full price (one black, one white) and then immediately using them both on AT&T. Actually one phone on AT&T and the other on AIO Wireless (AT&T network).
My history is with Verizon and Sprint so I'm not 100% sure about all the specifics of SIM cards.
I'd imagine I'll ask if its SIM locked, hopefully they say no and I'll be on my way. But if it is carrier SIM locked, I just ask them to unlock the device? Is this normal? Does anyone see any issues with this?
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Yeah I believe in-store, T-mobile requires you to have service with them to buy a phone at full price (even pre-paid service). So you'd have to signup for the cheapest one (I think like $30/mo), buy the phone, and cancel right away. However they still charge you for the first month.
However they should unlock it no issues (though you may have to call - don't know about t-mobile).
This was my experience at a T-mobile corporate store, you may have better luck at a franchise store.

dawheat said:
Yeah I believe in-store, T-mobile requires you to have service with them to buy a phone at full price (even pre-paid service). So you'd have to signup for the cheapest one (I think like $30/mo), buy the phone, and cancel right away. However they still charge you for the first month.
However they should unlock it no issues (though you may have to call - don't know about t-mobile).
This was my experience at a T-mobile corporate store, you may have better luck at a franchise store.
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Anyone know where to get the Tmobile version in white? Full price. Negri seems to sell the blk version only.

daraj said:
Anyone know where to get the Tmobile version in white? Full price. Negri seems to sell the blk version only.
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Hopefully Negri gets them in stock eventually.

Pikezer1337 said:
Hey, sorry if this is discussed in another thread, but I read a few and couldn't find the answer.
I'm on ATT, but I want to have an unlocked bootloader, so if I buy the Tmobile version for full price online can I just put my ATT sim card in there and it will work? Also will I be able to get LTE?
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Hi. I think these will precisely answer your questions about 3G/4G compatabilities between all US models (including ATT and TMo) for use in the US and abroad. A lot of people seem to think it has immensely clarified their concerns. It's partially based on FCC filings as well as documents from T-Mobile so is as official as it gets.
[Q] Which USA Note 3 Variant to get?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45794297#post45794297
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45807074#post45807074
Galaxy Note 3 AWS 1700/2100 Users Thread (T-mobile, Windmobile, Mobilicity)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=46032280#post46032280
Best wishes.

Verizon version - GSM Unlocked?

Has anyone tried to use the Verizon variant on a GSM network yet? We've gotten lucky in the past with other Verizon prepaid LTE phones working.

I don't think the XT1609 is GSM capable. It has no 3G UMTS bands enabled, though it does have the full range of GSM 2G/EDGE bands enabled.
So, pretty much unless you're in a VoLTE area, you might be out of luck for voice calls if it is unlocked. I'm not even sure if this phone does VoLTE anyway though.
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somebody has a moto g4 play to try the same method of moto e 2º generation ?? following the steps with Network app to get gsm capable in the phone.

moto g4 play verizon
i bought one moto g4 play verizon and their coming locked i need a imei code for unlock help me

kamelsouki said:
i bought one moto g4 play verizon and their coming locked i need a imei code for unlock help me
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did you try the "network" app and follow the same method than moto e 2° verizon?

best buy have them $64.99 at the moment hurry hurry someone please completely confirm if unlockable to work on gsm lol
http://www.android.gs/sim-unlock-verizon-moto-e-2015/
this is what you mean a possible unlock method?

mrw187 said:
best buy have them $64.99 at the moment hurry hurry someone please completely confirm if unlockable to work on gsm lol
http://www.android.gs/sim-unlock-verizon-moto-e-2015/
this is what you mean a possible unlock method?
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It would probably be a waste of time and $. Someone already bought one in the other Verizon moto g4 play thread and returned it because it looked like a no go. And without unlocking the bootloader, how would you flash a custom or alternate ROM to use the bands needed for GSM (as mentioned above). That's if it's a firmware thing and not a hardware limitation. If we want an unlocked Moto G4 play, the only option looks like we're shelling out $100 to Amazon for the one with ads or $150 without ads.

ryanl2299 said:
It would probably be a waste of time and $. Someone already bought one in the other Verizon moto g4 play thread and returned it because it looked like a no go. And without unlocking the bootloader, how would you flash a custom or alternate ROM to use the bands needed for GSM (as mentioned above). That's if it's a firmware thing and not a hardware limitation. If we want an unlocked Moto G4 play, the only option looks like we're shelling out $100 to Amazon for the one with ads or $150 without ads.
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please show me in the above link where there is any mention of a needed bootloader unlock or custom rom? stop spreading your negative bs without any factual backup other than your negative assumptions

mrw187 said:
best buy have them $64.99 at the moment hurry hurry someone please completely confirm if unlockable to work on gsm lol
http://www.android.gs/sim-unlock-verizon-moto-e-2015/
this is what you mean a possible unlock method?
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yes, i have 2 moto e 2º from verizon 4G LTE and it work completely in Movistar Mexico, but a relative bring a samsung j1 , from verizon too and it can´t be unlocked, the menu "network" is disable and if yiu try to run network app, it close..... so, i don´t know if all verizon 4G LTE can be unlocked to get gsm signal like the moto e 2 , samsung s4,etc.....

mrw187 said:
please show me in the above link where there is any mention of a needed bootloader unlock or custom rom? stop spreading your negative bs without any factual backup other than your negative assumptions
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What link do you need, the link to the product page? Did you even research this phone one little bit before posting or was it a case of post now, think later? What network are you even looking to use this phone on? I'll tell you right now that several of the bands used for other networks are completely missing for this phone (can see this clear as day on any product or spec listing for this phone). Then there's the matter of this phone being carrier locked (it's not as simple as popping in a different sim anymore - Verizon changed their policy this year). People need to stop comparing this to the Moto e from last year because this clearly isn't. What else do you need to know?

ryanl2299 said:
It would probably be a waste of time and $. Someone already bought one in the other Verizon moto g4 play thread and returned it because it looked like a no go. And without unlocking the bootloader, how would you flash a custom or alternate ROM to use the bands needed for GSM (as mentioned above). That's if it's a firmware thing and not a hardware limitation. If we want an unlocked Moto G4 play, the only option looks like we're shelling out $100 to Amazon for the one with ads or $150 without ads.
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EDIT: NEVER MIND. I just realized you were saying they'd need to flash a rom to enable the GSM 2G bands the phone hardware IS capable of. I thought you were trying to say you could magically enable 3g/UMTS bands that it's NOT capable of with a rom lol. Disregard the parts below about enabling bands the hardware isn't capable of, that's my misunderstanding!!
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I don't know what you're smoking bro. It most certainly IS a hardware limitation. You can't just enable bands that the antenna isn't capable of. SOME devices, very rarely, have antennae capable of more bands than are enabled in the radio firmware(NOT the Rom) but those are very few and far between.
Simply put, you can't make a 1609 into a 1607 just by flashing a new radio. If you could, then hell... I'd make every one of my old phones work with all carriers by turning on the bands they don't already have. Sadly, this is not possible.
As I said earlier in the thread, it's capable of EDGE (2g), and some of the GSM LTE bands that CDMA carriers use for data, BUT you wouldn't be able to call/text over LTE and it would fall back to EDGE for voice and sms (so no simultaneous voice and data) if you got a carrier unlock code from Verizon, but most GSM carriers are phasing out EDGE for postpaid accounts so if it's not a prepaid SIM it likely wouldn't register to the network at all for voice calling.
tl;dr unlocking the XT1609 for use on GSM carriers would be a very painful and unpleasant experience on prepaid where calls would go to voicemail when you're using data, and the SIM wouldn't register at all on a contract/postpaid account.

what about international use? is it possibly just locked in usa unlocked international for roaming?

mrw187 said:
what about international use? is it possibly just locked in usa unlocked international for roaming?
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I'm afraid that you're misunderstanding the meaning of "locked" in this scenario. It's probably carrier locked to Verizon prepaid no matter where you take it, but that can be remedied very easily (it was brought to my attention last night in a different forum that there are now unlock codes for these on eBay for around $2.50, so buying an unlock code takes care of that problem). But the real issue is the bands that this phone is capable of using and what is available where you're going and what network you'll be using. I believe the bands Verizon uses are more prevalent over seas, but I'm sure you can find this out with a quick web search.

ryanl2299 said:
It would probably be a waste of time and $. Someone already bought one in the other Verizon moto g4 play thread and returned it because it looked like a no go. And without unlocking the bootloader, how would you flash a custom or alternate ROM to use the bands needed for GSM (as mentioned above). That's if it's a firmware thing and not a hardware limitation. If we want an unlocked Moto G4 play, the only option looks like we're shelling out $100 to Amazon for the one with ads or $150 without ads.
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ryanl2299 said:
I'm afraid that you're misunderstanding the meaning of "locked" in this scenario. It's probably carrier locked to Verizon prepaid no matter where you take it, but that can be remedied very easily (it was brought to my attention last night in a different forum that there are now unlock codes for these on eBay for around $2.50, so buying an unlock code takes care of that problem). But the real issue is the bands that this phone is capable of using and what is available where you're going and what network you'll be using. I believe the bands Verizon uses are more prevalent over seas, but I'm sure you can find this out with a quick web search.
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I see. Need to find out what 3g bands get unlocked if any because according to gsmarena the 4g bands on this model are not applicable in my country and rolling 2g only is not worth it.

agentfusion said:
EDIT: NEVER MIND. I just realized you were saying they'd need to flash a rom to enable the GSM 2G bands the phone hardware IS capable of. I thought you were trying to say you could magically enable 3g/UMTS bands that it's NOT capable of with a rom lol. Disregard the parts below about enabling bands the hardware isn't capable of, that's my misunderstanding!!
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I don't know what you're smoking bro. It most certainly IS a hardware limitation. You can't just enable bands that the antenna isn't capable of. SOME devices, very rarely, have antennae capable of more bands than are enabled in the radio firmware(NOT the Rom) but those are very few and far between.
Simply put, you can't make a 1609 into a 1607 just by flashing a new radio. If you could, then hell... I'd make every one of my old phones work with all carriers by turning on the bands they don't already have. Sadly, this is not possible.
As I said earlier in the thread, it's capable of EDGE (2g), and some of the GSM LTE bands that CDMA carriers use for data, BUT you wouldn't be able to call/text over LTE and it would fall back to EDGE for voice and sms (so no simultaneous voice and data) if you got a carrier unlock code from Verizon, but most GSM carriers are phasing out EDGE for postpaid accounts so if it's not a prepaid SIM it likely wouldn't register to the network at all for voice calling.
tl;dr unlocking the XT1609 for use on GSM carriers would be a very painful and unpleasant experience on prepaid where calls would go to voicemail when you're using data, and the SIM wouldn't register at all on a contract/postpaid account.
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Part of me says that the disabled bands is a firmware thing rather than a hardware thing since it's much cheaper for moto to make "one phone" with different programming, but it's probably just wishful thinking on my part. Either way, I'm sure Verizon locked these phones down so we'll because of the whole moto e thing last year (hordes of zombies flocked to bestbuy to buy $10 Verizon branded phones only to use them on other networks). All it took was a couple of commands in abd from what I remember (there was an ultra long thread about it at the time). Probably pissed off Verizon and I hope they lost their shirts. I'm sure that these types of phones are subsidized in some way since the unbranded ones are almost always double or more in price (especially with verizon- they usually have cheaper phones but more expensive service - great way to hook you).
And I know exactly what you're talking about with using this in stock form on gsm carriers. If you're in need of a laugh, go check out the thread for Verizon moto g4 play over on slickdeals. There was one poster who got this phone unlocked (via eBay) and was going to try to use this for VOIP with Google voice or something (data only I suppose) since he claimed to have excellent LTE in his region. I believe that he's in for an underwhelming experience and constant missed/dropped calls. I guess it might work if you stand in one spot all day. To each his own. Some people would do just about anything to save a few bucks. Here's a link and their username was TheLao :http://slickdeals.net/f/9195543-16g...ipping-free-store-pickup-best-buy-ebay?page=7

Just got off live chat with motorola with 2 different csrs neither knew anything outside of public info on what bands the xt1609 has or it truely has no 3g gsm bands.
may have to wait until someone who physically has this and can confirm what bands it has once unlocked? i tried searching for an app on store that can tell you available bands on the device but gave up after about 4-5 apps.

ryanl2299 said:
Part of me says that the disabled bands is a firmware thing rather than a hardware thing since it's much cheaper for moto to make "one phone" with different programming, but it's probably just wishful thinking on my part. Either way, I'm sure Verizon locked these phones down so we'll because of the whole moto e thing last year (hordes of zombies flocked to bestbuy to buy $10 Verizon branded phones only to use them on other networks). All it took was a couple of commands in abd from what I remember (there was an ultra long thread about it at the time). Probably pissed off Verizon and I hope they lost their shirts. I'm sure that these types of phones are subsidized in some way since the unbranded ones are almost always double or more in price (especially with verizon- they usually have cheaper phones but more expensive service - great way to hook you).
And I know exactly what you're talking about with using this in stock form on gsm carriers. If you're in need of a laugh, go check out the thread for Verizon moto g4 play over on slickdeals. There was one poster who got this phone unlocked (via eBay) and was going to try to use this for VOIP with Google voice or something (data only I suppose) since he claimed to have excellent LTE in his region. I believe that he's in for an underwhelming experience and constant missed/dropped calls. I guess it might work if you stand in one spot all day. To each his own. Some people would do just about anything to save a few bucks. Here's a link and their username was TheLao :http://slickdeals.net/f/9195543-16g...ipping-free-store-pickup-best-buy-ebay?page=7
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I'm sure in some phones it is probably just a firmware thing. I remember some of the early Kindle fire models that were on the low end were really underclocked high end models with a smaller NAND. If you rooted them and flashed a new kernel, you could enable Bluetooth and set the clock speed up to match the higher end model and all you'd be missing is some storage. In the case of the Moto g4 play, though, it's probably cheaper to just leave out the physical antenna hardware for non VZW bands than disabling them via firmware. That's likely just a matter of dropping a step from the assembly process, so it wouldn't cost them any extra... Might even save a few pennies per run. But I'd imagine on high end flagship devices where it's a different model for every carrier, it's just a firmware thing. That's probably the REAL reason some phones have locked bootloaders. Like the LG G4, the only one with bootloader unlock is the international version with all bands enabled. I bet if I COULD unlock the bootloader on my sprint LG G4, I could turn it into a GSM phone.
And LOLOLOL about that link. Dude is going to hate life. When my LG G4 was in for repair and the Moto G4 Play hadn't shipped yet, I was using a LG G Pad F7 LTE tablet with Google voice, using hangouts and hangouts dialer for sms and voice. Missed calls SO many times because it would take too long to start ringing on my end, and I'm in one of the major US markets so LTE coverage is literally everywhere.

Welp, TIFU. I bought two of the Moto g4 play at walmart... got home and found out that Verizon locks 4g phones again. Paid for an unlock, found the phone doesn't allow connecting to GSM networks, but that is because even with a GSM sim in the phone it still only connects to Verizon. With my t-mobile sim in the phone, I make a call and get the "your call is being transfered to a representative who will take your credit card info to complete this call". Leave it to verizon to only allow the phone to connect to their network even after you unlock it...

Xt1609 doesn't have connection of gsm or 2g
Hi! I bought a "Moto 4G play" of Veirzon USA (XT1609). Unfortunately, My network operator in Mexico (Telcel) hasn't compatible with the VoLTE.
The cellphone doesn't have connection of GSM or 2G only LTE 4G. I did unlocked it and use everything, photo, video, WhatsApp. The cellphone recognize my SIM Card and network carrier, but I can't make, or receive, calls.

Shrraga said:
Welp, TIFU. I bought two of the Moto g4 play at walmart... got home and found out that Verizon locks 4g phones again. Paid for an unlock, found the phone doesn't allow connecting to GSM networks, but that is because even with a GSM sim in the phone it still only connects to Verizon. With my t-mobile sim in the phone, I make a call and get the "your call is being transfered to a representative who will take your credit card info to complete this call". Leave it to verizon to only allow the phone to connect to their network even after you unlock it...
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Well, that's what the Moto E 2nd gen did out of the box as well, they removed the setting to swap CDMA/GSM in the menu, but the folks over in that part of the forum figured out that using the app "Network" from the play store, and a sequence of turning on/off airplane mode, they were able to switch it from CDMA to GSM and make it stick. Otherwise, it would keep trying to connect to Verizon just like you describe.
So it doesn't mean anything that you didn't get it to work immediately after unlocking. You probably have to force it off CDMA in a similar fashion. Bigger issue is whether or not the phone will be able to actually access the appropriate bands you'd need, whether because the hardware doesn't support it or because it is disabled in firmware. We don't really know for sure yet. But if you've come this far and have a penchant for torture but don't want to give up until you know for certain, give it a try!

Consumer Cellular - Moto G4 Play - XT1607 - $99

Posting this as a heads-up for anyone looking for a fairly inexpensive Moto G4 Play.
Target carries the Consumer Cellular variant of the Moto G4 Play; XT1607 for $99.99.
It can be SIM unlocked for a couple dollars on eBay and bootloader unlocked through Motorola.
NOTE: 15% off from now until end of Monday, November 28 @ Target.com
(Thanks mrw187!)

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Posting this as a heads-up for anyone looking for a fairly inexpensive Moto G4 Play.
Target carries the Consumer Cellular variant of the Moto G4 Play; XT1607 for $99.99.
It can be SIM unlocked for a couple dollars on eBay and bootloader unlocked through Motorola.
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This is confirmed XT1607 model? I don't want to buy then find out its XT1609.
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Yes, it is XT1607.
It is listed underneath the battery on the IMEI/Serial Number sticker and once you navigate into the bootloader.
I will post pictures later in the day.

A_H_E said:
Posting this as a heads-up for anyone looking for a fairly inexpensive Moto G4 Play.
Target carries the Consumer Cellular variant of the Moto G4 Play; XT1607 for $99.99.
It can be SIM unlocked for a couple dollars on eBay and bootloader unlocked through Motorola.
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Yes, it is XT1607.
It is listed underneath the battery on the IMEI/Serial Number sticker and once you navigate into the bootloader.
I will post pictures later in the day.
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oh cool so you've actually gone through the process? btw its going for $84.99 atm cause they got 15% off sitewide sunday/monday

Here you are Sir!
Just removed a few sensitive details.
I haven't unlocked the bootloader yet but did receive the unlock code from Motorola yesterday.

Any links for the sim unlock I only see the xt1609? Thanks for the info looking to grab 2 for my parents to use on ring +
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Looking to use on TMobile, can I unlock on eBay and have all bands? Target said will work on Tmo but want to confirm also want to make sure I can change carriers if needed later.
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I just put my buddies sim from metro PCS in it worked for one call and then stopped working. I'm betting it's more metro than anything, when he got an unlocked phone it wouldn't work till he called them and gave the imei number. You might not have to sim unlock with this bad boy I have a feeling it already is being that there's no x1607 unlock auctions out there, just the Verizon variant
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udis said:
I just put my buddies sim from metro PCS in it worked for one call and then stopped working. I'm betting it's more metro than anything, when he got an unlocked phone it wouldn't work till he called them and gave the imei number. You might not have to sim unlock with this bad boy I have a feeling it already is being that there's no x1607 unlock auctions out there, just the Verizon variant
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Thank you, went ahead and grabbed the fully unlocked version for a bit more ($130). May as well be as free with my carrier and no speedbumps lol.
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udis said:
I just put my buddies sim from metro PCS in it worked for one call and then stopped working. I'm betting it's more metro than anything, when he got an unlocked phone it wouldn't work till he called them and gave the imei number. You might not have to sim unlock with this bad boy I have a feeling it already is being that there's no x1607 unlock auctions out there, just the Verizon variant
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Since you have one and were considering it for RingPlus, did you check the MEID on R+ device checker - https://my.ringplus.net/device_validation_requests/new
Someone checked on Slickdeals for R+ and Ting and it was not eligible (Ting said GSM, but not CDMA).
So these may not be in Sprint's whitelist database. And if they're not, you won't be able to activate on Sprint or a Sprint MVNO.

Got this CC Moto G4 Play Target deal $85, thinking save alittle cash. However, I think its time to rebox and return now as it really doesn't appear that it will ever work on Sprint MVNOs, despite having the right radio. I tried RingPlus checker and it fails; I guess its not on the Sprint whitelist. I bought an Unlocked XT1607 from Frys BF deal $109 and it passes RP checker as expected. So, for $25 less, you can get this CC XT1607 working on 3 of the 4 US carriers. I had to buy a SIM unlock code on ebay for $2, after which, I tested it successfully with a Verizon tracfone SIM, as well as a Freedompop global GSM SIM and they both worked great. I also had no troubles getting the bootloader unlocked from motorola, TWRP, Root, SuperSU, and finally- Xposed framework. But, in the end, I really bought this phone because of its "universal" radio and removable battery, and with one of the 4 carriers not working, its not worth the $25 savings over just getting the fully unlocked model; at least IMO.

Is it possible to use the native android hotspot without rooting the phone? Or is this hotspot programmed for CS use only? Or possibly even blocked as are some tracfone branded phones? Once in a while I need to use hotspot on the road, but not wanting to root or anything special.

I just tested the tethering function on the CC Moto G4 Play and it seemed to connect and work just fine. Note that my test set was rooted, but I didn't make any changes to enable the tethering. Also, for what its worth, I was testing using a freedompop global SIM, but that shouldnt matter either. Hope that helps- tested just for you, before I return it today!

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Got this CC Moto G4 Play Target deal $85, thinking save alittle cash. However, I think its time to rebox and return now as it really doesn't appear that it will ever work on Sprint MVNOs, despite having the right radio. I tried RingPlus checker and it fails; I guess its not on the Sprint whitelist. I bought an Unlocked XT1607 from Frys BF deal $109 and it passes RP checker as expected. So, for $25 less, you can get this CC XT1607 working on 3 of the 4 US carriers. I had to buy a SIM unlock code on ebay for $2, after which, I tested it successfully with a Verizon tracfone SIM, as well as a Freedompop global GSM SIM and they both worked great. I also had no troubles getting the bootloader unlocked from motorola, TWRP, Root, SuperSU, and finally- Xposed framework. But, in the end, I really bought this phone because of its "universal" radio and removable battery, and with one of the 4 carriers not working, its not worth the $25 savings over just getting the fully unlocked model; at least IMO.
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Did the same thing, I had two of these for my parents and ring plus didn't like the imei. Wound up grabbing two from b and h last Monday and they showed up last night. Ran both through ring plus and they're good to go!
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well, I still have this thing because target return period STILL isnt up due to holidays (my reciept says return thru 1/24!), so I'm trying to fire it up on BOOM! but having troubles. will not connect to the "V" network. Shows my BOOM number when I insert the SIM and everything appears the same in the "cellular networks" menu including the correct APN. PRL version is also the same as my two other working handsets I've swapped the SIM into for test. The other two sets (LG Transpyre, and Moto G4 Play xt1609) are both Verizon branded phones, and of course, this one is Consumer Cellular but SIM unlocked, and bootloader unlocked. So, it seems like I need to update the PRL, or Profile, or APN, or something. Maybe run some #*#* codes? any clues?? I called BOOM but the rep I got wasnt technical.

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Since you have one and were considering it for RingPlus, did you check the MEID on R+ device checker - https://my.ringplus.net/device_validation_requests/new
Someone checked on Slickdeals for R+ and Ting and it was not eligible (Ting said GSM, but not CDMA).
So these may not be in Sprint's whitelist database. And if they're not, you won't be able to activate on Sprint or a Sprint MVNO.
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I wonder how many of these are floating around on the used phone market now, and if there's an easy way to check. I guess just have the eBay seller share the IMEI with you and test it on Sprint's BYOD checker? Would it tell you if it's explicitly not going to work, or only "We can't activate this phone online.", which is ambiguous?

Can't find an unlock service on eBay for CC... at least not any for $2. Does anyone have a SIM unlock code or other method to use this phone on different carriers?
I'm trying to buy these broken phones off eBay, fix them, and sell them.

Important Google-Pixel Information: Verizon (USA) and EE (UK). READ BEFORE PURCHASING

!!! IMPORTANT FOR ANYBODY IN THE UK or USA WHO WANTS TO ROOT A GOOGLE PIXEL!!!
The ability to root is blocked on handsets ordered on contract from EE (the same with Verizon in the USA). The reason for this is to do with the sim lock. Upon putting the EE (or Verizon) sim into the phone, it activates and locks to the network. Google, unfortunately, cannot remove this block due to their exclusive deals with these networks (hence why Pixels on other UK and US networks are sold via Carphone Warehouse and other providers).
So, if you wish to root your Pixel, order one from a third party (CPW in the UK) as, again, EE/Verizon Pixels have the "enable OEM unlock" function disabled, and there is no way past this as of Android version 7.1.1.
(In the UK, if you have already ordered a Pixel on contract direct from EE, you have 14 days to return it for a full refund. At the time of this posting, o2 are doing a deal via Carphone Warehouse on the Pixel, for £35 per month, 6GB data, unlimited minutes and calls. It's a couple of pounds more expensive per month than EE, but you'll be able to root the phone. Not sure about other providers: I went with o2).
If you are unfortunate enough to have already purchased a PIxel on contract direct from either Verizon or EE, you may still be able to root it with the following method, providing it is fresh out of the box (this won't work on handsets that have already been opened, set-up and have an EE/Verizon sim-card in them):
DO NOT PUT A SIM CARD INTO THE PHONE.
Turn the phone on.
Skip the setup.
Do not connect to WiFi.
Go to settings and disable ALL automatic updating (of both OS and apps).
Check the Android build in device settings. If you are on Android 7.1, then be happy: you might have avoided the lock. If you are Android 7.1.1 , 7.1.2, or newer, then unfortunately you won't be able to root.
If you are one of the lucky ones on Android 7.1, then proceed to root the phone as you normally would, without a sim card attached. Avoid all automatic updates and most importantly, keep your boot-loader unlocked. Once you lock it again, it is unlockable (and you may brick your phone if the OS at the time of locking is a custom one).
SUMMARY: Handsets on contract direct from EE/Verizon are un-rootable if your firmware version is 7.1.1 or higher. Check details on how to potentially root a 7.1 or older EE/Verizon contract Pixel. Otherwise, order from third party like CPW in the UK.

I'm kind of confused, I think I heard that Verizon Pixels will work with any network, e.g. T-Mobile, AT&T.
And you are saying they will be locked??
Shouldn't their phones be unlocked by default, like the Verizon Galaxy S4?

Wolf2231 said:
I'm kind of confused, I think I heard that Verizon Pixels will work with any network, e.g. T-Mobile, AT&T.
And you are saying they will be locked??
Shouldn't their phones be unlocked by default, like the Verizon Galaxy S4?
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He's talking about bootloader unlock not carrier unlock. So many of the statements in the OP are incorrect and dis-proven, which is why no one responded to the post, that I'd just ignore it and move on. It was a noble effort but one that is misplaced and misguided.

I had mine replaced two weeks ago under warranty due to a fault by EE in the UK. The replacement device is not bootloader locked and I'm running the paranoid android no problems. This could be a mistake or could mean they are no longer locked oe maybe it came from Google rather than EE stock?

EE has been proven to be carrier lock related to bootloader/OEM switch.
6 months and EE unlock your handset, simple legal smooth

bobby janow said:
He's talking about bootloader unlock not carrier unlock. So many of the statements in the OP are incorrect and dis-proven, which is why no one responded to the post, that I'd just ignore it and move on. It was a noble effort but one that is misplaced and misguided.
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Incorrect. I forgot my password, but I'm the OP. I can tell you with one hundred percent certainty that the bootloader lock on contract Pixel handsets bought directly from EE and Verizon is directly related to the network lock. In fact, the very message which appears under 'Enable OEM unlock' on carrier locked phones is ' feature not available on carrier locked devices".
This is why I had to send my Pixel bought direct from EE, back to EE, and get one from O2 via Carphone Warehouse instead.

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Incorrect. I forgot my password, but I'm the OP. I can tell you with one hundred percent certainty that the bootloader lock on contract Pixel handsets bought directly from EE and Verizon is directly related to the network lock. In fact, the very message which appears under 'Enable OEM unlock' on carrier locked phones is ' feature not available on carrier locked devices".
This is why I had to send my Pixel bought direct from EE, back to EE, and get one from O2 via Carphone Warehouse instead.
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Verizon Pixels (or any other Verizon phones) aren't carrier locked. It's illegal in the US for any carrier to carrier lock their phones. In the US you can buy a Verizon phone and use it on any network you choose to. The only thing needed to do so is a SIM for the network you choose to to use.

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Verizon Pixels (or any other Verizon phones) aren't carrier locked. It's illegal in the US for any carrier to carrier lock their phones. In the US you can buy a Verizon phone and use it on any network you choose to. The only thing needed to do so is a SIM for the network you choose to to use.
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Verizon is no longer allowed to sell carrier locked devices but that's not true for every carrier..

aholeinthewor1d said:
Verizon is no longer allowed to sell carrier locked devices but that's not true for every carrier..
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It's true for every carrier in the US.

aholeinthewor1d said:
Verizon is no longer allowed to sell carrier locked devices but that's not true for every carrier..
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Although Verizon's postpaid devices are not sim-locked, the same is typically not true about Verizon Prepaid phones, as noted in their policies.
http://www.verizon.com/about/consumer-safety/device-unlocking-policy
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It's true for every carrier in the US.
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The Verizon Pixel phones are not sim-locked, but there are lots of phones currently sold in the US that are still sim-locked. My understanding is that if you buy an AT&T phone on installments it will be locked to AT&T. Similarly AT&T prepaid phones can be used with some AT&T MVNOs, but they have to be unlocked for other service providers. Cricket sells locked phones. I think Sprint commonly locks their phones, which is supported by their unlocking policy. The last time I skimmed US Cellular's policies, my impression was that they were not selling unlocked phones. Tracfone brands have been reported to have sim-locks on their iPhones. Anyway, Howardforum and Slickdeals discussions clearly indicate a significant portion of phones sold in the US today are sim-locked to various service providers.

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It's true for every carrier in the US.
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I just switched from AT&T, and I was not able to bring my S7 Active and my wife's V20 would not work either, they were locked to AT&T. Given that, we both now have Pixels. I can see maybe the Active being an issue as it's a exclusive to AT&T, but the V20 is not.

T-Mobile announcement

https://www.t-mobile.com/news/oneplus-6t

I watched the unboxing video by Tmobile and see that it seems to have some installed TMobile apps. Wonder if we get the TMobile version if it will be possible to flash it back to a stock OP rom instead. TMobile has a pretty good deal on it tbh.

Can we unlock it's Bootloader?

I would be yes, TMobile is pretty good about things like this. I'm thinking of picking it up on the 1st through TMobile and if they've pulled something funny, I can always just return it.

From what I've picked up so far, the T-Mo version will have one SIM instead of dual SIM and you won't be able to unlock the bootloader until the device is fully paid for. Since I don't have a device to trade in, it is easy for me to just order from OnePlus. If I had an eligible phone though, it would be a harder decision.

Where did you pick this up from? I do have a device to trade in, $300 for this phone seems like a steal imo considering the trade-in. And honestly the T-Mobile bloat is pretty minimal in my experience. I've got it all uninstalled on my S8+, can't imagine I couldn't do the same on the OP6T.
I'm more concerned w/if I'd be able to get into Google SW beta's w/it like you could w/the OP6.

So, basically, this means that if you're a T-Mo customer and want an unlocked bootloader, you can't take advantage of this trade-in promo at all since it's paid out in bill credits over the 24 month finance period and the bootloader won't be unlockable until the end of those 2 years. That's unfortunate / seems to needlessly spite a meaningful segment of their target audience.

I haven't heard that about the bootloader and payment plan, any source? I have read that the phone will be carrier locked until it's payed off, but that's totally different from the bootloader, and pretty par for the course. My current Z2 Force is still on a payment plan, but I unlocked the bootloader the day I got it. Would really turn me off from this device if I can't unlock the bootloader.

The bootloader question has been answered.

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Where did you pick this up from? I do have a device to trade in, $300 for this phone seems like a steal imo considering the trade-in. And honestly the T-Mobile bloat is pretty minimal in my experience. I've got it all uninstalled on my S8+, can't imagine I couldn't do the same on the OP6T.
I'm more concerned w/if I'd be able to get into Google SW beta's w/it like you could w/the OP6.
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XDA review:
https://www.xda-developers.com/oneplus-6t-review/
The OnePlus 6T is a developer-friendly device. The bootloader is easy to unlock as always. You don’t need a bootloader unlock code from OnePlus. I personally can’t wait to root and install Magisk Modules once more. There’s one notable exception, however. The T-Mobile variant cannot be bootloader unlocked until you pay off the device.
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Forget now where I saw that the T-Mo version is single SIM. I read a bunch of summary articles right after the embargo lifted.

6T for the USA is a gimped variant Single sim and locked bootloader till the device is paid off if you finance..

wtf lol, well that sucks tbh. Not that I've even unlocked a bootloader in years but I just want to be able to flash the stock rom not the Tmobile version.

Does anyone know if you can just pay off the phone immediately instead of paying monthly? Would you just pay the $280 or would you have to pay the full price and then get a $12.50 ($300/24) credit every month?
I've never bought a phone from a carrier so I have no idea how it works.

I'm one of the people that was about to go buy it from OnePlus directly, but the line is absolutely massive right now. The T-Mobile store in Times Square has it but this bootloader thing.. I don't know.
I will be paying outright for it, it's not a problem.. I'm just wondering if I can flash the same ROM's as the normal OnePlus version? Will they be two completely different phones? I don't think so, but I'm also not 100% sure. I don't mind T-Mobile bloat but I just want to be able to flash ROM's eventually.

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I'm one of the people that was about to go buy it from OnePlus directly, but the line is absolutely massive right now. The T-Mobile store in Times Square has it but this bootloader thing.. I don't know.
I will be paying outright for it, it's not a problem.. I'm just wondering if I can flash the same ROM's as the normal OnePlus version? Will they be two completely different phones? I don't think so, but I'm also not 100% sure. I don't mind T-Mobile bloat but I just want to be able to flash ROM's eventually.
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According to this the T-Mobile version is a little different than the one directly from OnePlus.
https://www.xda-developers.com/oneplus-6t-t-mobile-verizon-america-united-states/
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"T-Mobile’s OnePlus 6T Model
The device you buy from T-Mobile isn’t 100% the same as the one you buy from OnePlus.com. The T-Mobile model is single-SIM while the unlocked version is dual-SIM compatible. Also, if you finance the device from T-Mobile, you will be unable to unlock the bootloader until you pay off the device. After you pay off the device, you are free to unlock the bootloader by using this form."
I will be buying straight from OnePlus.

bp328i said:
According to this the T-Mobile version is a little different than the one directly from OnePlus.
https://www.xda-developers.com/oneplus-6t-t-mobile-verizon-america-united-states/
Below is copied straight from the post.
"T-Mobile’s OnePlus 6T Model
The device you buy from T-Mobile isn’t 100% the same as the one you buy from OnePlus.com. The T-Mobile model is single-SIM while the unlocked version is dual-SIM compatible. Also, if you finance the device from T-Mobile, you will be unable to unlock the bootloader until you pay off the device. After you pay off the device, you are free to unlock the bootloader by using this form."
I will be buying straight from OnePlus.
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I'm headed to Times Square now let's see how bad the queues are.
I spoke to a OnePlus customer representative and she told me that the TMobile variant is the same model, but just has the dual SIM feature disabled. But they are the same model.
I don't know how accurate it is but I'm getting a 6T either way today. If the TMobile version ends up being different, I can return it within 30 days since I'm a business customer.

Thanks for the clarification, looks like I will order directly as well...

Is the 256GB model from oneplus have the new 600Mhz band?

yeah the wrinkle I see is that if you trade in and TMobile give you a credit over two years and you pay it off early does that count or does it take the full 2 years b/c of the credit
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well RIP, the credits get applied each month to the balance so the amount due at the start will be the full price, not the "reduced" price.

LuCaniTy said:
Is the 256GB model from oneplus have the new 600Mhz band?
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This is from the OP spec page (https://www.oneplus.com/6t/specs) It shouldn't matter if you buy direct or from Tmobile.
FDD LTE: Band 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/13/17/18/ 19/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66/71
TDD LTE: Band 34/38/39/40/41/46
TD-SCDMA: Band 34/39
UMTS(WCDMA): Band 1/2/4/5/8/9/19
CDMA: BC0/BC1
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz