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pixel xl, slower than One plus 3!?

No offense but I am still waiting for the pixel to become available to purchase mine, but according to this the pixel is slower than the one plus 3!? I already own a one plus 3 now I am bit skeptical if I should spend 600$ on a phone that is slower..

I wouldn't if you already have a Oneplus 3. Especially since a Oneplus 4 shouldn't be too far off, and it will for sure curb stomp the pixel.
That being said, I'm getting the Pixel just for the better camera and daydream. And currently I'm just using a cheap Huawei, because my note7 was recalled

you can get Google Pixel and Google assistant free. if you only want the software experience
work's with any Marshmallow device. with root and custom ROM.
video below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnjMRrRE0jY
OnePlus 3S or 3T coming out very soon with SnapDragon 821 might aswell wait

Pixel is pushing to a QHD screen.... oneplus is just 1080p;

geovass said:
Pixel is pushing to a QHD screen.... oneplus is just 1080p;
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ZTE axon 7 got QHD screen and is twice as cheap.

It may open up some games faster but its not a " faster" experience. You have to remember that these kinds of comparisons are never black and white. If this changes your mind then you're an idiot.

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It may open up some games faster but its not a " faster" experience. You have to remember that these kinds of comparisons are never black and white. If this changes your mind then you're an idiot.
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Why is not a faster experience one plus runs nearly stuck android. One plus is the closes to stock that you will get aside from Google. And it almost outperformed the pixel in every test. I dont want to agree as I will. E leaving the op3 for the pixel due to the quick updates for the pixel phone but is pathetic that Google makes a phone that performs just like a 400$ phone and price it twice as high..

egren58 said:
Why is not a faster experience one plus runs nearly stuck android. One plus is the closes to stock that you will get aside from Google. And it almost outperformed the pixel in every test. I dont want to agree as I will. E leaving the op3 for the pixel due to the quick updates for the pixel phone but is pathetic that Google makes a phone that performs just like a 400$ phone and price it twice as high..
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They are running two different versions of Android, and they have both optimized their software differently. The Pixel very well could have theirs optimized for battery life rather than app performance such as the OP3.. There are too many variables.

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They are running two different versions of Android, and they have both optimized their software differently. The Pixel very well could have theirs optimized for battery life rather than app performance such as the OP3.. There are too many variables.
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There is no rationalizing with folks who are caught up on the price of the Pixel......
I paid $37,000 for a Jeep Wrangler.. Thing has less options and modern amenities than a $20,000 Hyundai.... But it's a Jeep. It is what it is folks... More senseless grumbling, I guess it will subside eventually..
Sent from my Pixel XL

All I know is I've never had an android phone that was buttery smooth all the time like iOS runs on iPhone. The latest android phones i've used before the Pixel were the Nexus 6, 6P, 5X, Note 7, & S7 Edge and those phones always had hickups here and there in different apps so I've mainly been back on iPhone for the last 1-2 years. The Note 7 you could tell was snappy, but jump in the browser and start scrolling and it would 'hesitate' or 'lag' but it was never butter like the iOS browser. The Pixel is as close to iOS smooth that I have seen on an android phone and it is a very welcome feeling.

Like I've been saying: It's not about cold hard specifications. It's about how the WHOLE package comes together as a unit. The Pixel is a great example where the phone is greater than the sum of its parts. Google optimized the **** out of this device -- which is probably one of the reasons why it's so smooth. You could also argue that this optimization also greatly enhanced battery life. These two things together could take away from super-fast game loading which is why it's being beaten at this task by some older/lesser devices.
It's how you look at the TOTAL picture folks... like I said, it's not white and black.

GHII said:
All I know is I've never had an android phone that was buttery smooth all the time like iOS runs on iPhone. The latest android phones i've used before the Pixel were the Nexus 6, 6P, 5X, Note 7, & S7 Edge and those phones always had hickups here and there in different apps so I've mainly been back on iPhone for the last 1-2 years. The Note 7 you could tell was snappy, but jump in the browser and start scrolling and it would 'hesitate' or 'lag' but it was never butter like the iOS browser. The Pixel is as close to iOS smooth that I have seen on an android phone and it is a very welcome feeling.
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What would you chose a Lexus or a Mercedes-Benz?..

Believe me, the OnePlus 3 is not as great as many reports suggest - I can't wait to get rid of mine. It replaced a reliable Nexus 6P four months back and that was one of the worst phone decisions I've ever made. Why? Yes the OnePlus 3 is a very, very good phone in many ways. It's an piece of very solid hardware with a great camera and all the top specs you could want.
However, one of its key features that got my attention was the promise of a stock android experience. My mistake was I assumed that meant everything would be similar to my experience of Nexus phones (I'd had the 6P, the 6, the 5 and the 4 so far).Sure, I guessed updates would be less frequent, but overall I expected the same quality of software as a Nexus. How wrong I was. From the start, there were just so many bugs: for the first two months the on screen nav bar didn't work properly so I had to use the hardware buttons. There were problems with the mobile network connection; often settings i changed kept reverting to default after a reboot; notifications failed, ringtones were too loud; screen auto brightness levels were crazy; there were problems with SIM settings; and the battery drained very randomly. Wth every successive update that OP pushed out, only some of these bugs were fixed but even more new bugs were let loose. I think they've had to release urgent hot fixes for at least 3 monthly updates so far to address major issues. So now I can see why they are selling their phone so cheap: OP are woefully behind the bigger phone manufacturers when it comes to software development resources. For many that's worth it to save so much money, but not me
Worst still, if my own experience of OP's Community Builds programme to showcase and test new features is anything to go by, their stock android promise is about to be broken. They plan to introduce elements of their android software designed for the Chinese market. Think MIUI and you'll begin to get the picture. That's too much for any Nexus fan so guess what? My Pixel XL is ordered and arriving Wednesday and my OP3 is getting sold to my local second hand phone store right after that.
I can't wait to get back to a stable, reliable Google device again, even if the Pixel's pricing is ridiculous.

SpaceGooner said:
Believe me, the OnePlus 3 is not as great as many reports suggest - I can't wait to get rid of mine. It replaced a reliable Nexus 6P four months back and that was one of the worst phone decisions I've ever made. Why? Yes the OnePlus 3 is a very, very good phone in many ways. It's an piece of very solid hardware with a great camera and all the top specs you could want.
However, one of its key features that got my attention was the promise of a stock android experience. My mistake was I assumed that meant everything would be similar to my experience of Nexus phones (I'd had the 6P, the 6, the 5 and the 4 so far).Sure, I guessed updates would be less frequent, but overall I expected the same quality of software as a Nexus. How wrong I was. From the start, there were just so many bugs: for the first two months the on screen nav bar didn't work properly so I had to use the hardware buttons. There were problems with the mobile network connection; often settings i changed kept reverting to default after a reboot; notifications failed, ringtones were too loud; screen auto brightness levels were crazy; there were problems with SIM settings; and the battery drained very randomly. Wth every successive update that OP pushed out, only some of these bugs were fixed but even more new bugs were let loose. I think they've had to release urgent hot fixes for at least 3 monthly updates so far to address major issues. So now I can see why they are selling their phone so cheap: OP are woefully behind the bigger phone manufacturers when it comes to software development resources. For many that's worth it to save so much money, but not me
Worst still, if my own experience of OP's Community Builds programme to showcase and test new features is anything to go by, their stock android promise is about to be broken. They plan to introduce elements of their android software designed for the Chinese market. Think MIUI and you'll begin to get the picture. That's too much for any Nexus fan so guess what? My Pixel XL is ordered and arriving Wednesday and my OP3 is getting sold to my local second hand phone right after that.
I can't wait to get back to a stable, reliable Google device again, even if the Pixel's pricing is ridiculous.
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Valid point, I do agree that they are not very good in the software department.. I am myself getting a pixel I just don't think the pixel is priced right

egren58 said:
Valid point, I do agree that they are not very good in the software department.. I am myself getting a pixel I just don't think the pixel is priced right
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Its the same exact price as the iPhone designed to directly compete with the iPhone. Nexus phones were never meant to be a huge money maker for Google -- the Pixel is, and as such is priced and marketed as such.

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Its the same exact price as the iPhone designed to directly compete with the iPhone. Nexus phones were never meant to be a huge money maker for Google -- the Pixel is, and as such is priced and marketed as such.
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I think the pixel should of been a nexus 6p with a 5.5 inch display and updated specs keep everything else the same including the front facing speakers. Now that I would thrown my money at Google for.

egren58 said:
I think the pixel should of been a nexus 6p with a 5.5 inch display and updated specs keep everything else the same including the front facing speakers. Now that I would thrown my money at Google for.
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The Nexus 6P had a premium feel to it, but was made poorly. Watch what happens on YouTube when you try to bend one. I like the Pixel design much better... no visor/camera hump, much more study, two-tone unique back design, etc.

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The Nexus 6P had a premium feel to it, but was made poorly. Watch what happens on YouTube when you try to bend one. I like the Pixel design much better... no visor/camera hump, much more study, two-tone unique back design, etc.
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So your one of those idiot who actually attempts to bend a phone. Or wait let me guess your one of those who performs 50 ft drop test?!. ????????
Who the heck runs around attempting to bend a phone those reviews are stupid and my opinion. So stupid that prior to iPhone bend gate it dint even exist.
And the two tone is ugly af once mine arrives I will be putting a skin over the phone.

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So your one of those idiot who actually attempts to bend a phone. Or wait let me guess your one of those who performs 50 ft drop test?!. ????????
Who the heck runs around attempting to bend a phone those reviews are stupid and my opinion. So stupid that prior to iPhone bend gate it dint even exist.
And the two tone is ugly af once mine arrives I will be putting a skin over the phone.
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Watch how easy it bends ... He says "my 6 year old daughter could easily bend this phone in half".
You're the idiot for buying a phone that you think is ugly AF lpl

hesitate to return Pixel 2 XL and move back to Nexus 6

I preorder a pixel 2 XL during October 4th event, have been using 2 XL for 2 days now.
Really good battery life : at least 24h battery life with about 8h Screen on time.
Blazing fast: On the latest Oreo, everything is smooth and fast. No stutter whatsoever.
Stupidly great camera: everything photo looks like shot by professional camera.
Squeeze is fun: l start to love to squeeze the phone to launch Google assistant.
I really want to say I love the 2XL, but I really can't. I'm hesitating to whether to return 2 XL and move back to Nexus 6 based on the following reasons.
Hardware issue
1. Screen is a deal breaker:. The color are extremely dull, red looks brown and white looks green. And I had noticeable Burn-In on the bottom of screen for less than 15 screen on times within 2 days.
2. Charing is slow: I experienced 2 cycle of charge that took 2h 30m from 0 to 100%, this result has been confirmed by at least four independent sources, including PhoneArena and Youtuber Jerome Ortega.
Personal opinion
1. Screen on 2 XL is smaller than Nexus 6: On paper, both phones have 6 inches screen, but 2XL is 18:9 ratio versus 16:9 on N6. So you have a narrow a screen with smaller viewing area than N6.
2. Speakers are slightly louder than 2 XL
What's your thought? Should I return the 2 XL?

The Pixel 2 XL was moderately bad at the bend test:
I like my Nexus 6, but I guess it all comes down to your personal priorities.
Edit: Google says that they are considering a software option for brighter colors.

runekock said:
The Pixel 2 XL was moderately bad at the bend test:
I like my Nexus 6, but I guess it all comes down to your personal priorities.
Edit: Google says that they are considering a software option for brighter colors.
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The video you are showing is Pixel 2 made by HTC, not Pixel 2 XL made by LG. They have a very different internal structure.

In my opinion, switch to the pixel 2 or just get a samsung if you are bored with nexus 6.
Even though somebody might say otherwise or hate mw for this, do not ever trust LG made stuff.
It is no surprise to mw that the screen is bad and ita made by LG. Their QC is bad and its that for for years.
Might be confirmation bias fallacy though on my part

Well Nexus 6 is a great device the AMOLED panel with the stereo speakers , not to mention has also wireless charging. Am currently using it as my DD.
But obviously pixel 2 xl has all the latest specs . Personally I will pass on this year's pixel 2 as it's not a compelling phone features wise. I am running Oreo six rom atm. It's fun flashing and using it but yeah at times Shamu can lag or feel slow due apps now being more demanding.

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The video you are showing is Pixel 2 made by HTC, not Pixel 2 XL made by LG. They have a very different internal structure.
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Oops, sorry about that.
As to burn-in, this comment indicates that it isn't permanent:
https://disqus.com/by/xda-c75a8b67d7bb88f3595e8738de86ae2b/?

Nexus 6 is good, but only bad is the camera with 30FPS.... No 720p at 60fps ,1080p at 60FPS, no mods ,nothing!

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Nexus 6 is good, but only bad is the camera with 30FPS.... No 720p at 60fps ,1080p at 60FPS, no mods ,nothing!
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Mine does 4K video on back camera...pretty good for an old Motorola.
Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

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In my opinion, switch to the pixel 2 or just get a samsung if you are bored with nexus 6.
Even though somebody might say otherwise or hate mw for this, do not ever trust LG made stuff.
It is no surprise to mw that the screen is bad and ita made by LG. Their QC is bad and its that for for years.
Might be confirmation bias fallacy though on my part
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you do realize, that LG is one of the largest IPS Panel manufacturers and pretty much every ips panel on any phone is made by LG?
Also pretty much every high end ips monitor (ah-ips at the moment) also has a panel produced by LG.
So i am pretty sure many many people here are using LG Panels without knowing it is from LG and without any problems

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you do realize, that LG is one of the largest IPS Panel manufacturers and pretty much every ips panel on any phone is made by LG?
Also pretty much every high end ips monitor (ah-ips at the moment) also has a panel produced by LG.
So i am pretty sure many many people here are using LG Panels without knowing it is from LG and without any problems
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https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/77m8uv/pixel_2_display_megathread_poll/donkcbx/

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https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/77m8uv/pixel_2_display_megathread_poll/donkcbx/
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You completely missed what they were talking about. He's saying that a lot of the things we use these days use LG panels, and we don't have any issues. By you saying to never trust LG, means you aren't going to be using a lot of tech.

IDK man, i read a lot comments the past few weeks that most of us wants the N6 just with newer specs back, and i think the N6 is the greatest and best looking phone on the planet. Heck if i had the budget i would found a company that builds just the N6 in different sizes (5" , 5.5" and the classic 6") with the newest specs and whatnot, just for the sake of it lel.

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I preorder a pixel 2 XL during October 4th event, have been using 2 XL for 2 days now.
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Lucky you. I preordered the minute that they brought it up on their website, and mine's still more than 2 weeks away!
Must be because I'm in Canada.
Really good battery life : at least 24h battery life with about 8h Screen on time.
Blazing fast: On the latest Oreo, everything is smooth and fast. No stutter whatsoever.
Stupidly great camera: everything photo looks like shot by professional camera.
Squeeze is fun: l start to love to squeeze the phone to launch Google assistant.
I really want to say I love the 2XL, but I really can't. I'm hesitating to whether to return 2 XL and move back to Nexus 6 based on the following reasons.
Hardware issue
1. Screen is a deal breaker:. The color are extremely dull, red looks brown and white looks green. And I had noticeable Burn-In on the bottom of screen for less than 15 screen on times within 2 days.
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Its my understanding that the "dull" colors are a design choice made by google in order to achieve a much greater accuracy. Think back a few years about all the complaints about samdung amoled displays being "oversaturated". Well, now people have become USED TO oversaturated displays, and finding accuracy unappealing.
Its also worth mentioning that Google has added an option for a 10% saturation increase. Its not clear if this software change has been pushed out to production units yet. They've also indicated that they are monitoring complaints and will add more options if needed.
As far as the "burn in" thing goes, something about POLED displays is that they are supposed to be a lot more resistant to *permanent* burn in, than amoled. At least, that's what I read somewhere.
But frankly, I saw lots of complaints from people about the N6 display burning in, and I haven't seen anything on the screen that ever caught my attention.
2. Charing is slow: I experienced 2 cycle of charge that took 2h 30m from 0 to 100%, this result has been confirmed by at least four independent sources, including PhoneArena and Youtuber Jerome Ortega.
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What's the problem? Above you say "at least 24h battery life with about 8h Screen on time."
Don't you sleep?
Plug it in when you go to bed. Wake up and its fully charged and will last you well beyond next time you go to sleep.
Fast charging is also bad for your battery. It creates more heat, and heat is the enemy of batteries.
I NEVER charged my Nexus 6 with more than a 500 mA 5V power supply. No bulging at all (back cover still sits perfectly flat without the flaring up around the buttons that some people have observed), and now even 3 years later, with very light use, it will still run well into the 3rd day between charges. I will reiterate though... very light use for the 3 days. Obviously with lots of screen on time or tethering, it will drop, but its rare that I've put it on the charger at the end of the day with less than 50%.
Personal opinion
1. Screen on 2 XL is smaller than Nexus 6: On paper, both phones have 6 inches screen, but 2XL is 18:9 ratio versus 16:9 on N6. So you have a narrow a screen with smaller viewing area than N6.
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On paper it is actually a smaller screen than Nexus 6.
xl2: 2.68x5.37 = 14.28 sqin.
n6: 2.94x5.23 = 15.37 sqin.
So the n6 is still bigger by 1.09 square inches.
That is on paper.
And that difference concerns me as well. Not so much the absolute difference in screen size, but the difference in width. I've always found on-screen keyboards to be challenging -- my thumbs just don't get along with it, so the N6 was a dream come true in a world without physical keyboards.
But the width of the xl2 is a whole quarter of an inch (8.8%) smaller. I hope that I can adapt to that difference, because there is not a whole lot I can do about it, there are simply not any phones coming from anywhere with a screen as BIG as N6.
And at this point, its time to update. The N6 is a great phone, but without software support, you end up stuck doing it yourself, or hoping that people on the internet can get it right. Well, I'm trying to run Android 8 on it, but the bluetooth is hopelessly broken, and I haven't the time right now to take it on myself. I just can't deal with that, I need the thing to work, so xl2 it is.
2. Speakers are slightly louder than 2 XL
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There are usually ways to convince the software to crank it up a bit higher.
What's your thought? Should I return the 2 XL?
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Personally, I don't see any options. The N6 is off support now, which makes it a liability, and NO other manufacturers make a device that is even remotely usable. I mean you can try a V30, but at the end of the day, its the same phone as the xl2, so all you're doing is losing software support with that one. Samsung? Normally, I would give a manufacturer a second chance, but Samsung is SO bad, that... no. Not ever.

luciusfox said:
Lucky you. I preordered the minute that they brought it up on their website, and mine's still more than 2 weeks away!
Must be because I'm in Canada.
Its my understanding that the "dull" colors are a design choice made by google in order to achieve a much greater accuracy. Think back a few years about all the complaints about samdung amoled displays being "oversaturated". Well, now people have become USED TO oversaturated displays, and finding accuracy unappealing.
Its also worth mentioning that Google has added an option for a 10% saturation increase. Its not clear if this software change has been pushed out to production units yet. They've also indicated that they are monitoring complaints and will add more options if needed.
As far as the "burn in" thing goes, something about POLED displays is that they are supposed to be a lot more resistant to *permanent* burn in, than amoled. At least, that's what I read somewhere.
But frankly, I saw lots of complaints from people about the N6 display burning in, and I haven't seen anything on the screen that ever caught my attention.
What's the problem? Above you say "at least 24h battery life with about 8h Screen on time."
Don't you sleep?
Plug it in when you go to bed. Wake up and its fully charged and will last you well beyond next time you go to sleep.
Fast charging is also bad for your battery. It creates more heat, and heat is the enemy of batteries.
I NEVER charged my Nexus 6 with more than a 500 mA 5V power supply. No bulging at all (back cover still sits perfectly flat without the flaring up around the buttons that some people have observed), and now even 3 years later, with very light use, it will still run well into the 3rd day between charges. I will reiterate though... very light use for the 3 days. Obviously with lots of screen on time or tethering, it will drop, but its rare that I've put it on the charger at the end of the day with less than 50%.
On paper it is actually a smaller screen than Nexus 6.
xl2: 2.68x5.37 = 14.28 sqin.
n6: 2.94x5.23 = 15.37 sqin.
So the n6 is still bigger by 1.09 square inches.
That is on paper.
And that difference concerns me as well. Not so much the absolute difference in screen size, but the difference in width. I've always found on-screen keyboards to be challenging -- my thumbs just don't get along with it, so the N6 was a dream come true in a world without physical keyboards.
But the width of the xl2 is a whole quarter of an inch (8.8%) smaller. I hope that I can adapt to that difference, because there is not a whole lot I can do about it, there are simply not any phones coming from anywhere with a screen as BIG as N6.
And at this point, its time to update. The N6 is a great phone, but without software support, you end up stuck doing it yourself, or hoping that people on the internet can get it right. Well, I'm trying to run Android 8 on it, but the bluetooth is hopelessly broken, and I haven't the time right now to take it on myself. I just can't deal with that, I need the thing to work, so xl2 it is.
There are usually ways to convince the software to crank it up a bit higher.
Personally, I don't see any options. The N6 is off support now, which makes it a liability, and NO other manufacturers make a device that is even remotely usable. I mean you can try a V30, but at the end of the day, its the same phone as the xl2, so all you're doing is losing software support with that one. Samsung? Normally, I would give a manufacturer a second chance, but Samsung is SO bad, that... no. Not ever.
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Thank you for your detailed reply.
Due to the burn in/ image retention, google has offer me to replace my 2 xl. So I move back on the old N6. To be honest, the moment I move back, I starts to remember why I switched at the first place.
I agree that 2 XL despite the obvious screen problem, is THE best phone you can get this year.
I'll keep this thread posted once I get my hands on the 2nd 2 XL unit.

Buyers remorse is just something we'll all need to make at some point. I've had my N6 for more than two years, which is longer than any phone I've owned. Thought about replacing it at some point but the N6 has never failed me. No problems at all.
Unless you need something that faster, better camera, better battery then yes, the N6 has these flaws but the build quality still lives up to 2017. I believe the next phones that are in line would be the rumored OnePlus 5T or the Galaxy S9 which is rumored to come out earlier to combat the iPhone X. So if you can hold on until next year you can decide between the S9 while the Pixel 2 may have its quality control fixed by then.

Gysper said:
Buyers remorse is just something we'll all need to make at some point. I've had my N6 for more than two years, which is longer than any phone I've owned. Thought about replacing it at some point but the N6 has never failed me. No problems at all.
Unless you need something that faster, better camera, better battery then yes, the N6 has these flaws but the build quality still lives up to 2017. I believe the next phones that are in line would be the rumored OnePlus 5T or the Galaxy S9 which is rumored to come out earlier to combat the iPhone X. So if you can hold on until next year you can decide between the S9 while the Pixel 2 may have its quality control fixed by then.
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So zero quality chinese "oneplus", or a worse than zero quality (intentionally crippled) samdung? You aren't exactly proposing any compelling alternatives.

tjxddt said:
Thank you for your detailed reply.
Due to the burn in/ image retention, google has offer me to replace my 2 xl. So I move back on the old N6. To be honest, the moment I move back, I starts to remember why I switched at the first place.
I agree that 2 XL despite the obvious screen problem, is THE best phone you can get this year.
I'll keep this thread posted once I get my hands on the 2nd 2 XL unit.
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LOL the screen burn in on the N6 is way worse than the XL2, so that's a very flawed reason for keeping that whale. I agree it's a fantastic device, but it's amazing you even care about screen burn in after using the N6 for that long
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luciusfox said:
So zero quality chinese "oneplus", or a worse than zero quality (intentionally crippled) samdung? You aren't exactly proposing any compelling alternatives.
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Well I never said they were better, but every single Pixel device has its share of problems. At least Samsung showed its promise with its quality control video after the Note 7 fiasco. Haven't heard any issues with the S8 or the Note 8.

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every single Pixel device has its share of problems.
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That's a pretty bold and unsubstantiated claim. Sounds like you're just trying to convince yourself against one.
At least Samsung showed its promise with its quality control video after the Note 7 fiasco. Haven't heard any issues with the S8 or the Note 8.
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Yeah, because if its in a video, it must be true.
You probably didn't hear about any problems because they're paying people off like they did at the start of the Timb Bomb 7 problem.

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That's a pretty bold and unsubstantiated claim. Sounds like you're just trying to convince yourself against one.
Yeah, because if its in a video, it must be true.
You probably didn't hear about any problems because they're paying people off like they did at the start of the Timb Bomb 7 problem.
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Not going to argue here because were going a bit off topic here, but the point was that the OP should consider other devices if they weren't satisfied.
Now unlike some companies that make mistakes, at least they acknowledge improving their products. Seems to be the opposite for Google, we all enjoy the N6 and the Pixel 2 stuff convinced us that quality control is a step back.
EDIT: Google must of listened but they issued this statement about the issues
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/phone-by-google/FRyoLZZjXvo

Regrets? Overrated?

So, i'm a noob to 1+ devices having got my 6T last November and it being my first 1+ device ever. Overall, I really like the device and it's definitely one of the best I've owned. I just don't feel it has lived up to all the hype. I have two lines and still use my Pixel 2XL and lately I'm finding myself liking my P2XL more than my 6T. Believe it or not I feel like my P2XL is faster and more fluid. Anyone else feel similar? I'm not trying to bash the 6T I'm just curious if anyone else feels like me.

Make sure you're on the latest firmware (9.0.11). The 6T OWNS the Pixel 3, let alone the 2, in just about every area except the camera, which gets better with every update. Give it a real chance, you wont be disappointed.

No regrets here. Absolutely love the 6T. My favorite device I've owned and I've owned plenty.

A little regret because I can benefit from its top specs at all. It doesn't support volte or vowifi in Canada.
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imucarmen said:
So, i'm a noob to 1+ devices having got my 6T last November and it being my first 1+ device ever. Overall, I really like the device and it's definitely one of the best I've owned. I just don't feel it has lived up to all the hype. I have two lines and still use my Pixel 2XL and lately I'm finding myself liking my P2XL more than my 6T. Believe it or not I feel like my P2XL is faster and more fluid. Anyone else feel similar? I'm not trying to bash the 6T I'm just curious if anyone else feels like me.
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I am kind of in similar situation.. I have Pixel 2 XL and bought OnePlus 6T.. Though 6T is faster, I feel my 2 XL is smoother and has better experience overall.. and man 6T kills my apps even after disabling all battery optimizations... I even miss voice calls and WhatsApp calls sometimes... Thinking of returning 6T

I had a P2XL previously and moved to a 6T in November. Unless things have improved lately, I found the 6T to be smoother for me. As stated by others, the only area I think the P2XL was better was in the camera, though I have been quite impressed by the pictures taken on the 6T for its price, especially with recent updates. I know we have the GCam port, but think it's still quite buggy. I would be very happy if somehow the HDR+ algorithm was integrated into the stock camera, though highly unlikely. No regrets here.

The obly regret is camera and camera app. The xamera app is so bad, no video recording options

Overrated imo, Price is too high now for what we get their is better value to be had elsewhere, Mi Mix 3 for example in UK it's the same price, Better Camera sensors/software, Better Display and wireless charging etc. OP3 was awesome for it's low price but OP6T doesn't live up to that, OnePlus hype is over for me probably my last OnePlus device.

liam_davenport said:
Overrated imo, Price is too high now for what we get their is better value to be had elsewhere, Mi Mix 3 for example in UK it's the same price, Better Camera sensors/software, Better Display and wireless charging etc. OP3 was awesome for it's low price but OP6T doesn't live up to that, OnePlus hype is over for me probably my last OnePlus device.
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Well said. The development for Xiaomi devices has been very good, I think that is what I will try next.

No regrets here either, have owned a lot of phones in the past and this one of the best if not the best. Miss wireless charging but the beast battery last forever.

Only had the 6T for a little over a month. Had the OnePlus one, but did not like it. Too many glitches.
They've improved a bunch. For the price, in my opinion, good bang for the buck!
I've owned a LOT of phones over the years. OP6T ranks right up there as far as I'm concerned.

Regrets? Most phones with this hardware are around 1000 euro. Almost every phone factory gets very greedy.

Well the fact that I got this phone for $280 bucks by trading in my s7 edge, I would say is the best deal for any phone I've ever had except for the HTC amaze which I got for free from staples 5 years ago. I would not have paid 580 as I have a brand new note 8 so it was just a back up. It's my 1st and I think it's nice, better then most at this price point.

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Regrets? Most phones with this hardware are around 1000 euro. Almost every phone factory gets very greedy.
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Don't forget OnePlus is a budget phone with flagship SoC, Storage/RAM only rest of the phone is just cut corners to keep the cost low.

Do you tend to own phones for more than two years? If not, you'll see the overall value and abilities OnePlus devices tend to offer over other devices in the fragmentation department. My OnePlus 3 was still going very strong and I only updated because I was a sucker for the 6T. But truthfully, I never had an issue with my 3 slowing down or developing faults. I can't say the same for any LG, Samsung, or Motorola devices I've owned. OnePlus failure rates are some of the lowest in the industry, and it's evident as to why if you see videos of their manufacturing process on YouTube (Linus Tech Tips and Unbox Therapy I believe).
Sure, other devices may have explosive features that OnePlus may not always include. But at what cost? For the price, stability, support and power that you get with a OnePlus is unmatched. The 3 is STILL getting updates and works great. But if you're someone who updates regularly, I can see why maybe you'd feel like you're missing out.

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The obly regret is camera and camera app. The xamera app is so bad, no video recording options
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You know, I thought the same thing but if you take the time to figure out the software its really not that bad at all. Coming from a Pixel 2 XL, I am content with these photos but it seriously took me some time to get used to the camera. Work on your focus, leave HDR on auto; you will be good.
No regrets here.

kidruk said:
You know, I thought the same thing but if you take the time to figure out the software its really not that bad at all. Coming from a Pixel 2 XL, I am content with these photos but it seriously took me some time to get used to the camera. Work on your focus, leave HDR on auto; you will be good.
No regrets here.
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I just cant stand those oil painting finish photos. Its app problem because on gcam photos looks much better, more details and no oil paint effect.
And i cannot use the stock camera app for movies. There are no settings or options. No focus lenght, no white ballance, no controls for manual control.

Well, if anyone cares I can say that the 6t has been the most awful phone I have ever owned. I literally now own a $700 brick. And OnePlus the company should be ashamed of themselves. I am fighting to get this phone running. And customer support has gone 100% silent on me. My last call, I got the perpetu-hold by the agent and I hung up after about 30 minutes of waiting for her to "consult a coworker". It's been so bad that I am trying to social shame them. I have a youtube post titled "Why my OnePlus 6T sucks and OnePlus Support is awful". I would link it, but I'm too new on the forum.
It's why I'm now on this forum trying anything I can to get this phone working.

TheGorf said:
Well, if anyone cares I can say that the 6t has been the most awful phone I have ever owned. I literally now own a $700 brick. And OnePlus the company should be ashamed of themselves. I am fighting to get this phone running. And customer support has gone 100% silent on me. My last call, I got the perpetu-hold by the agent and I hung up after about 30 minutes of waiting for her to "consult a coworker". It's been so bad that I am trying to social shame them. I have a youtube post titled "Why my OnePlus 6T sucks and OnePlus Support is awful". I would link it, but I'm too new on the forum.
It's why I'm now on this forum trying anything I can to get this phone working.
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Well... Why did it stop working?

I have shifted from my iPhone 6s to Oneplus 6t. The main reason for the shift to Oneplus specifically in Andorid is the gestures it offers - switching apps, closing apps etc
After 1 month of usage, I believe Oneplus is the phone, if you want to get things done. Its fast, its battery is amazing. The reason why some people get annoyed is because its just too fast and for this reason it doesn't seem fluid. But trust me, using the iphone for years, I did enjoy the fluidic experience, however, I don't like it anymore and prefer speed, performance and battery life and Oneplus delivers on all these aspects. The teardrop notch and in screen fingerprint make the experience even better

Overall love

Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Huawei P30, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Huawei P30 is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
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The 'If Only' phone of the year.
The things that Huawei have removed in comparison to the pro ruin what could have been one of the phones of the year especially at the price.
I love the reduced size and flat screen but I always get a sense I am using a compromised device when I pick it up. The model that Samsung adopted with the S10 IMO makes more sense.
Shame.

....humm, do you need 10x zoom? in real life No. Time-of-Flight(TOF) for Ultra Boken effect, No. Wireless Charge.... Cool, but No. And IP68: I never broke a smartphone in my life because of water, but broke too much on the ground!!
Saving 200$ USD and I have better battery life, all the main spec of the Pro and I can Hook and use it in ONE hand!!
I compare with Samsung S10 and try it. But, cost me 300$ USD more than the P30 and battery life pain to last one day... No. Hole in the screen not compatible to many app... and Bixby!!!
If someone speak french, there's a link here: youtu.be/5yCJ8o85fXI

I've been using the P30 for a month now.
I need the headphone jack more than wireless charging or 10x zoom. I also prefer the smaler form factor and I drop my phone every now and then and I don't think curved displays like this a lot.
I am coming from a Galaxy S7 so it was a bigger jump and I am completly happy with this phone. Great performance, great screen - but the two most important things are for me - impressive camera and impressive battery life. The Galaxy S10e was an option but then I read about its mediocre battery life, and to my expierience Samsung always looses in this department.
No faults or bugs so far. I've been using Nova Launcher for years so I am not bothered with EMUI. I like the dark mode and the gestures, though. The Huawei software seems a bit too nosie for my taste so I deactivated most of it and I did not activate the Huawei-cloud. But in general I consider this phone the best deal for me at the moment.

tricki said:
I've been using the P30 for a month now.
I need the headphone jack more than wireless charging or 10x zoom. I also prefer the smaler form factor and I drop my phone every now and then and I don't think curved displays like this a lot.
I am coming from a Galaxy S7 so it was a bigger jump and I am completly happy with this phone. Great performance, great screen - but the two most important things are for me - impressive camera and impressive battery life. The Galaxy S10e was an option but then I read about its mediocre battery life, and to my expierience Samsung always looses in this department.
No faults or bugs so far. I've been using Nova Launcher for years so I am not bothered with EMUI. I like the dark mode and the gestures, though. The Huawei software seems a bit too nosie for my taste so I deactivated most of it and I did not activate the Huawei-cloud. But in general I consider this phone the best deal for me at the moment.
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hi!
same situation , s10e was an option, but battery in samsung is something annoying, same with not symmetrical front camera...
p30 is great choice for me!

Just got my P30 2 days ago. It's also my first Huawei phone. No regrets. I absolutely love this. I'm coming from a Pixel 2, and although I prefer stock Android any day, I found it so hard to ignore the hardware innovation from other manufacturers. I didn't want to wait for a miracle and hope Google would design their next Pixel up to modern standards and have more than 4GB of RAM.
EMUI isn't perfect, but it's honestly not as bad as YouTube and tech reviewers say it is. To me, slapping on Hyperion Launcher made it so much better.
Don't even get me started with the battery life of this thing.

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Just got my P30 2 days ago. It's also my first Huawei phone. No regrets. I absolutely love this. I'm coming from a Pixel 2, and although I prefer stock Android any day, I found it so hard to ignore the hardware innovation from other manufacturers. I didn't want to wait for a miracle and hope Google would design their next Pixel up to modern standards and have more than 4GB of RAM.
EMUI isn't perfect, but it's honestly not as bad as YouTube and tech reviewers say it is. To me, slapping on Hyperion Launcher made it so much better.
Don't even get me started with the battery life of this thing.
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Did you notice a blue tint when going into the recents screen? Happens to me when using ANY third party launcher, right now i'm using Smart Launcher. Had to remove Huaweis Launcher to get an older, unaffected recents screen back. Quite annoying.

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Did you notice a blue tint when going into the recents screen? Happens to me when using ANY third party launcher, right now i'm using Smart Launcher. Had to remove Huaweis Launcher to get an older, unaffected recents screen back. Quite annoying.
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Yes, I did notice that. It's likely how EMUI handles app switching, so any third-party launcher we use will always have that effect.
Though I wish it didn't have to happen, it doesn't bother me very much.

Hello,
I got this device for free. I had a Oneplus 6t , and a Mate 10 Pro before.
I can tell, scrolling on this phone is smooth as hell. Compared to the Mate 10 Pro, this is really a complete different level. Oneplus is known as one of the fastest and smoothest phone out.. But really, this phone beats Onplus 6t in scrolling smoothness... Really amazed and surprised after having Mate 10 Pro... Huawei has done its job well! This phone is really fast
The camara is nice and is probably good enough for most of the people out there... but the camara of the Pro model is the way to go if you want to have the best.
I thought battery would be to small for me after having Mate 10 Pro with 4000 mha and Oneplus 6t with 3700. But i m really pleased by the battery life of this phone.. its comparable to the other devices! Nice!!!
Emui isnt that bad as everyone says... And it has improved a lot compared to my Mate 10 Pro. I m sure you wont regret it if you buy this phone, i prefer it over my Oneplus 6t.
Good job!!

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Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Huawei P30, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Huawei P30 is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
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Whats gonna happen to the P30 now with Google pulled out.....Just happened, like today! Google is done with Huawei.....It says the only way to get google on it now is through open source (AOSP) but do this mean we will still be able to sign into our goolge accounts and get play store updates???
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/19/18631558/google-huawei-android-suspension

theeagleeye said:
Yes, I did notice that. It's likely how EMUI handles app switching, so any third-party launcher we use will always have that effect.
Though I wish it didn't have to happen, it doesn't bother me very much.
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Okay. It really boggles me how they implemented it in their launcher. I guess it gets closed by their aggressive RAM management and that causes this issue. Pretty dumb and a problem for atleast a year now. I did contact them though so they know about this issue and explained it as thoroughly as possible. They told me that they don't need any further information for now, maybe they'll have a fix ready for the next update. That's the only downside to Huawei phones for me: Their UI and software changes aren't really done well, causing issues that shouldn't exist.

Between P30 and P30 pro, for me, my biggest concern is losing is OIS which is helpful in night mode. Having 5X optical would be nice, but not at the expense of suffering with digital between. The 3X optical is probably more useful. Gaining the headphone jack is great and I prefer not having a curved screen. And I prefer a smaller phone. Though at that point, I start to wonder if I should get a S10.

I owned P20-pro and P30.
Except for battery life and camera, everything else is better with S10.
Camera quality is good enough, but battery life is not good.
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Well, they are both OLED's and I think the resolution is "good enough". Both are better than my current phone so I guess I wont know what I'm missing. As for one UI vs EMUI, I'm not certain how much it matters. I use nova launcher + lineage right now. I'm unsure how much I'd be affected by the mfr skin. One HUGE thing is that the S10 series can be rooted, the P series can't even be unlocked let alone rooted. So If I don't like EMUI, I can't just install lineage. More importantly, after 2yrs, if it hasnt been unlocked, I won't be able to prolong the life of the phone by installing a newer UPDATED rom. That is probably the big thing that is making me lean towards the S10 series. The other things all seem minor.
But P30 vs P30 pro, its mainly the camera. In reality, I'm not sure how important all the night shooting is to me. I just know that the most frustrating thing about every past phone camera has been its inability to take a phone when lighting is poor so I'm tempoted to go towards the P30.

P30 is probably the best phone I've ever had but it has few downsides. For example scrolling lag in youtube while watching video, while searching for bluetooth devices(probably software bug that will be fixed in near future). That doesn't bother but autofocus is pretty bad compared to my old s8+. I often get blurry images when taking shot on the go sometimes even on steady shots. It's strange that 2yr old samsung phone can do better autofocus. Phone is super fast with amazing battery life(I don't remember ever getting 7hours SOT on 48hours usage with 10% left), the photos that are not blurry are super gorgeous. Call quality, wifi connection.... are excellent. Overall I'm pretty satisfied with my purchase.

Klaudas said:
P30 is probably the best phone I've ever had but it has few downsides. For example scrolling lag in youtube while watching video, while searching for bluetooth devices(probably software bug that will be fixed in near future). That doesn't bother but autofocus is pretty bad compared to my old s8+. I often get blurry images when taking shot on the go sometimes even on steady shots. It's strange that 2yr old samsung phone can do better autofocus. Phone is super fast with amazing battery life(I don't remember ever getting 7hours SOT on 48hours usage with 10% left), the photos that are not blurry are super gorgeous. Call quality, wifi connection.... are excellent. Overall I'm pretty satisfied with my purchase.
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Can u share what is yr phone's setup?

mab71 said:
Can u share what is yr phone's setup?
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128gb, 6gb ram, resolution auto, brightness auto, location on and disabled almost every gestures except do a screenshot with knuckle. System firmware: 9.1.0.178. Mostly using instagram, facebook(and messenger), snapchat, spotify and some not heavy games.

Ok

Do I love this phone? Yes!! It has the performance of a flagship without having an out of this world price. Unfortunately, Huawei support is a cluster****, you need to register your phone with Huawei ID for warranty purpose but there's no link on their Canadian webpage. Also, they advertise support for Huawei Cloud backup but it's unavailable in Canada.

Worst Android device I have owned since 2011, possibly ever

Upgrade P2XL to P5....Pointless?

Just saw the specs of P5....Poor resolution upgrade!
I guess it's pointless and waste of money....what are your thoughts?

Since our security updates will end this month, I plan to upgrade for those and take advantage of the strong T-Mobile 5G signal in my area.

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Just saw the specs of P5....Poor resolution upgrade!
I guess it's pointless and waste of money....what are your thoughts?
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My thoughts?
If you only now just saw the specs you haven't been following the news. You likely also do not understand why Google didn't go with the 865/865+ in the two devices.
For me, it boils down to which features I consider more important. Right now I'm leaning towards the P5 simply because of the aluminum body, but the 4A 5G and its headphone jack is compelling. I think in the end, it's going to boil down to "do I want to pay the extra $200 or not?"

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Coming from the 2XL... The 5 is an upgrade. As far as the ppi... https://www.androidauthority.com/chasing-pixels-810926/ this article from AA is very good and I'm sure I won't notice it much. But I am going to wait for reviews and actually see it side by side

In case you missed topjohnwu's tweets:
https://twitter.com/topjohnwu/status/1311370798267990016
Ive never been one of the sheeple, the people who buy into aspirational technology (people who aspire to own somehting because its new and everyone else has one), so its not even a decision for me. Im a fucntional user, if a device performs the functions i need it to, im happy. The only reason i ever upgrade devices is when one is dead, or very much close to being....
I do not get the "new device every 6 months" buyers...i just dont, i think thats insanity
Personally i look at the lines of sheeple at Apple Stores on every release and weep for humanity, and the planet which gets raped to bring people ovepriced (thanks to Apple - they are the root of all evil, not least because they overprice their products, thereby forcing everyone in the market to follow suit, because to do anythign less is to be seen as inferior, so blame Apple, i do, asshat comapny) devices they dont really need
Pretty much the forumula is: new phone = new camera that takes pictures of an even more distant galaxy, hmm very useful in every day life
Some people in some countries have way too much spare money if theyre buying new phones all the time
Im sticking with what works for me, not a corporations bottom line, thanks

Also this:
https://www.xda-developers.com/google-pixel-4a-5g-pixel-5-great-value-in-us/

I loved the Pixel 5. I think Google made a small decision to stick with full hd resolution simply because you don't notice as such if the panel is good. It's easy on the battery. It will be easy on the chipset and provide consistent performance.
Pixel 5 does not lack anything as such. The only thing i was a bit disappointed was ufs 2.1 storage. Other than that I'm loving the Pixel 5. I'll get it maybe this Christmas or so!

The more I think about it, the more the 4a5g is looking like the better deal. Only differences between it and the five are two less gigabytes of RAM, no 90hz refresh, and a smaller battery, but the battery is still bigger than the 2xl, so battery life should still be an improvement. I've not yet owned a phone that had a 90hz refresh rate, so that's not really a huge deal to me yet.
The big draw toward the 4a5g for me personally is that the screen is bigger, which would make it feel like more of an upgrade compared to the 2XL.
The materials used are also different, but I've never really been a huge fan of glass backs. Plastic was always all right with me, so the 4a5g won't bother me in that regard. It supposedly feels pretty good in the hand even though its materials are "lesser than” the materials used for the 5 back.
Forgot about wireless charging too, but personally I've never owned a phone that had wireless charging, so again, not a big deal for me yet.
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The more I think about it, the more the 4a5g is looking like the better deal. Only differences between it and the five are two less gigabytes of RAM, no 90hz refresh, and a smaller battery, but the battery is still bigger than the 2xl, so battery life should still be an improvement. I've not yet owned a phone that had a 90hz refresh rate, so that's not really a huge deal to me yet.
The big draw toward the 4a5g for me personally is that the screen is bigger, which would make it feel like more of an upgrade compared to the 2XL.
The materials used are also different, but I've never really been a huge fan of glass backs. Plastic was always all right with me, so the 4a5g won't bother me in that regard. It supposedly feels pretty good in the hand even though its materials are "lesser than” the materials used for the 5 back.
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I second your thoughts here. 4a5 is certainly a better handset and not much hard hitting on the pocket too!

So far with lack of reviews and having seen a few of the random videos we can get. The OnePlus 8 Pro is looking better to me. Really need to see some full reviews

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So far with lack of reviews and having seen a few of the random videos we can get. The OnePlus 8 Pro is looking better to me. Really need to see some full reviews
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I kind of agree with you here, except that I am seriously looking at going the OnePlus 8T route.
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So far with lack of reviews and having seen a few of the random videos we can get. The OnePlus 8 Pro is looking better to me. Really need to see some full reviews
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I kind of agree with you here, except that I am seriously looking at going the OnePlus 8T route.
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I am changing my mind to OnePlus 8 Pro too, I can go to swappa.com and get for less price than P5 with taxes. I am seriously considering going back to iPhone. Google has been using the same camera sensor hardware since the Pixel 2 came out. That means if Google ported the sofware algorithms to the Pixel 2 it would take pictures the same if not damn close to being the same.

after being a 4 year pixel 2 xl owner... the pixel 5 feels like a natural successor. Jut my opinion though

i currently use a pixel 3 because i prefer the size but im pretty much done with the pixel series. the cost is far too high and the features are less and less. the 4 had no fingerprint reader..... so i was thinking of getting a Zenfone 7. great size, great amount of ram........ EXPANDABLE STORAGE!!! but after seeing the OnePlus Nord N10, i might change my mind. ill have to see after the first reviews but it has what i want/need in a phone. google is just too obsessed with trying to either win the apple crowd, or become like apple.
maybe if they ever add features like expandable storage ill buy another pixel but the odds of that happening are not good. knowing google, theyll probably give up on the pixel line after the pixel 7 so i plan on holding on to my Panda Pixel indefinitely.

Okay i changed my decision probably.
I don't think i'll be getting Pixel 5 solely because of outdated hardware. Only if they had upgraded the camera sensors i'd have gone for it. The current sensor is at the end of its life.

I can't decide if I want to get a OP8T, OP8 Pro, or Pixel 5.
I prefer the flat screen of the 5 and 8t, the rear fingerprint sensor on the 5, and the telephoto on the 8 pro.

Get rid of P2-XL?
amandeepparmar said:
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I guess it's pointless and waste of money....what are your thoughts?
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Depends on your battery. After October, no more OTA's from Google.
If your battery is good, between updates from Google Play Store and LineageOS, I think the phone
would be plenty secure. I plan to keep using mine for awhile. running LineageOS

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I can't decide if I want to get a OP8T, OP8 Pro, or Pixel 5.
I prefer the flat screen of the 5 and 8t, the rear fingerprint sensor on the 5, and the telephoto on the 8 pro.
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lol Flat screen is such a bliss. My next phone will be a flat screen. I am tired of this curved look and miss touches due to the curve

I went from. The p2xl to the 5, it's definitely an upgrade for me. I love how smooth it feels with the extra ram and 90hs screen, the SD765g has no trouble giving me a great experience on the couple games I do play, (pubg and genshin impact) the battery life for me is about double what the 2xl was and I'm happy to know I'll be getting monthly security updates for the next three years. There are still a couple things I don't like. The top behind the screen speaker is just so-so, far inferior to the 2xl's stereo front firing speakers. However I don't watch or listen to much without headphones or a bt speaker anyways and it does fine for calls. they removed a feature I did actually like.. active edge, I miss sweezing to activate assistant rather than saying hey Google or swiping the corner but still not really a deal breaker for me just so thing to get used to.
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