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Sony Xperia Z1 Compact versus Xperia Z5 Compact

Guys, I've been bought Z5c to replace my Z1c(I also own a S6). Still very busying to test the z5c now, if you guys got any questions regarding Z5c feel free to ask me in this thread(if there are still any Z1c survivor here...).
My first impression vs. Z1c(and vs. S6):
1. Camera way faster and fixed the annoyed focus issue. The camera launch speed slightly slower than S6 but close to it. The focus speed at low light S6 a bit faster but Z5c already done a good job like 3x better and blow out Z1c completely.
2. Camera details isn't much better than Z1c only little improvements there, yet S6 got better details. Color, WB, AE is accurate than Z1c and S6, however sometimes you'll think that it is just too accurate and not as eye caught as Z1c/S6(they do more tweaking while Z5c towards to neutral side, the overall style still Sony and similar to Z1c).
3. Speaking to camera shutter lag and saving speed. S6 got instant speed in this area, Z5c slower but 3x faster than Z1c again.
4. Sceen is much better than Z1c like next generation with noticeably better color, WB, brightness, viewing angle and more clear. No doubt the 5.1" 2K on S6 is sharper, Z5c is just 720p but an exceptional quality one for this kind of resolution.
5. Support double tap to wake in stock rom. S6 needs root or custom kernel/rom to get this function.
6. Fingerprint recognition looks more sensitive than my S6, no worse than ip6/6s I think.
7. s810 on 720P is extremely fast, the smoothness is around the same with Exynos 7420 on S6. Kicks ass though the s800 on Z1c is already very fast but Z5c performs even much more responsively, no slower than S6 in my opinions. What the drawback on s810 it gets hot during heavy gaming or video recording but manged to an okay level for any s808/s810. If you want to get a cool device, I'm afraid Exynos 7420 is the only choice in 2015 until s820 comes out.
8. Battery life is identical to Z1c but since I've only got it for 3 days, I can't tell much at right now, it takes time to know. But it seems no worse than Z1c of 4.4.4/5.1.1, 2700mAh feed the s810 well. Expected to out perform Z1c when Android 6.0 arrive.
9. Solid build quality but I think S6 and Z1c more premium with metal bumper. Z5c goes to the fashion design, more young and motivative, not the same direction on S6/Z1c.
10. Speaker is superior. To be honest, S6 speaker also sounds out loudly but Z5c got very stereo feeling.
11. MicroSD supports up to 200GB, IPX67 rated, glove mode is still there. Finally no flag usb port with quick charge 2.0. USB-OTG is supported but you have to click USB connectivity to ask it to detect. S6 got an IR blaster which is also useful if you got many electronic devices at home or like to remote the TV in restaurant.
12. Internal storage speed lots quicker than Z1c though can't beat the more advanced emmc used on S6.
13. The front LED is as good as Z1c/S6, that LED notification is bad on Z3c.
14. After rebooting both Z5c/S6 got exactly 1GB free memory on stock rom(currently both of my Z5c/S6 running on stock rom without root) but I'll probably very soon to unlock and root Z5c bcoz I want to try to limit cpu speed to reduce heat.
My Z5c is running on latest firmware(second OTA) and it's been improved much on speed, those reviews on net are dated now. Sony said new camera update will come in this month so we'll see.

My colleague has just bought Z5c and I've got Z1c so I compared these 2 phones
and I've got the same opinion as you - I can confirm each point of the post above, especially:
- screen is better and you know this on the first look
- speakers are better and the stereo feeling is easy to hear
- camera focus is faster
- it's hotter, not only on heavy use
One thing I can add is the look of Z5c: it looks fatter, more bulky - mainly because of bezel shape - but it feels fine when you take the phone in your hand

Davka said:
My colleague has just bought Z5c and I've got Z1c so I compared these 2 phones
and I've got the same opinion as you - I can confirm each point of the post above, especially:
- screen is better and you know this on the first look
- speakers are better and the stereo feeling is easy to hear
- camera focus is faster
- it's hotter, not only on heavy use
One thing I can add is the look of Z5c: it looks fatter, more bulky - mainly because of bezel shape - but it feels fine when you take the phone in your hand
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The size is identical to Z3c but the bezel shape looks like an older WP phone similar to Lumia 920. Especially if you get a yellow model.
Turn on Stamina mode will help but I think the ultimate solution is to lower the max cpu speed plus switch to other governor(waiting custom kernel). It's sure getting hotter but that's happened on every other s808/s810 phone in this year. Exynos 7420 is the only one suffering from this issue, it also warmer than s800/801.
Screen and camera has the major goodness. This monitor got very accurate color and decent viewing angle, both made it finally like a true IPS this time. The speaker is real very stereo. Camera focus at low light S6 still faster and better, I've done some extensive testing about this yesterday but Z5c focus easy beat all older xperia phones.
Other than the heat problem(can be solved after root by reduce cpu I think) and no OIS. I'll say every part got juice and definitely an upgrade for any small phone lover.
I'll post some indoor and night shot I've done last night of Z5c and S6 soon, including FHD/4K. I'll offer all in original size, please check this thread again.

Not impressed by the Galaxy S6 Edge

Hello,
I just want to write a small review of the phone coming from the Galaxy S5 Plus (G901F).
Design: Just beautiful, miles ahead of the plastic used on the S5. The display bezels are much thiner than on the S5. I have the 64GB version so no SD Card slot is not necessarily a drawback. Non removable battery is not a drawback right now for my usage but if I keep it long enough (which I doubt, considering my track record), it will. IP certification is nice to have on the S5, but I usually keep my electronic devices away from water, so not a big loss here.
Display: The higher resolution makes no difference for me. The colours seem to be less saturated or less punchy. The "infinite" display effect is nice but the reflections on it can be disturbing while watching a video/movie, scrolling horizontally is beautiful though.
Battery: Just worse than on the S5 Plus. Not terrible, but just a small downgrade. The standby time is very good though, at least on MM. Both charge blazing fast.
Performance: Strangely, I feel the UI was a little more responsive on the S5 Plus. Otherwise no problems, I dont play games on the phone, nor do any high demanding tasks. I find the camera app particularly fast to launch. Opening the Task Manager is faster now, on the S5 it was painfully slow.
Camera: I was expecting more from the camera to be honest. Both the S5 Plus and S6 Edge share the same sensor, but I thought the OIS and the brighter lens would make a bigger difference. Not necessarily the case here, I must say. Low light shots are nothing to write home about, they are still pretty unusable, the Nexus 5X seems to do a much better job here I feel. The speed of low light shots has definitely improved, the S5 would always take a second or two to take a low light shot (not considering the focusing), on the S6 they are instantaneous.
The focusing speed feels a hair faster, great when there is enough light, not that great on dimmer lighting conditions. To be able to shoot raw and change the exposure time at will is a big plus though, leaves a lot of room to play. Stabilization is definitely improved.
Fingerprint Sensor: I was expecting a big jump coming from the S5, but I must say in my case, the fingerprint sensor found on the S5 was more effective! Maybe I am holding the phone wrong*, but I have to try so many times my fingerprint to be recognized, that I locked the phone several times on the first couple of days. I have even registered the same finger several times to check if that helps, it doesnt.
Overall: I think the feel in the hand and the looks are the biggest differences, otherwise I find both phones pretty comparable.

K,Bye

We have a thread for this already:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6-edge/general/post-personal-s6e-reviews-t3066964

lg v20 performance

I am on the fence between the Pixel LX and the LG V20. I know there are different phones. The reson I am considering these two is for the features and also the root able and Volte.
Any suggestion or comments that will help me in my decisions?
I will be on T-mobil network
Thanks

I love the V20 which has more capabilities than Pixel XL which I also own and am returning.
Just visit and read the Pixel threads to help with your decision.
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V20 is pretty smooth. Not always quite as smooth as the Pixel XL is, but very, very close. I've only been using the V20 for 24 hours, and I miss the Pixel XL in some ways, and not in others.
-The V20 definitely is the more capable phone. Tons of features. The Pixels are just plain boring - they work great, but lack anything special.
-I miss the AMOLED screen, but love having a 5.7" screen again on the V20 (coming from Note7 and 6P) - it's a dramatic difference, exacerbated by the additional top ticker display. If you love, love punchy color that is nowhere near accurate/realistic, the V20 display will disappoint you if you've used AMOLED before. But I actually use my Pixel XL in sRGB mode. The V20 is slightly, slightly more saturated, but extremely cold with its whites. I have to use the night-time comfort view set to medium 24/7 to get anywhere near an accurate, warm white. Personal taste here. Qualcomm is supposed to have some TruPallate thing built in that changes saturation/color temp based on your environment - I've yet to see anything from this.
-Camera comparison is a bit of a wash. The Pixels have much better dynamic range, and better selfie detail, but the V20 typically has more detail overall (due to being 16MP - not always the case though!) The V20 also has the best camera app and manual control, bar none, if you're into that. And it has an always-ready wide angle camera, which few, few people will ever have access to.
-Great sound quality in terms of output and recording. The Pixels are meh. I have audible noise with my $1,000 IEMs on the Pixel XL. The V20 is crystal clear.
-Not much to comment on in terms of battery life. I don't expect much from the V20 with its smaller cell and larger display, but I had bugs on the Pixel causing CPU times to be insane giving me garbage battery life.
-Power button/fingerprint scanner on the V20 is kind of ****, at least how it feels. Without a case, it's hard to find. The button feels cheap when you press it, as do the volume keys. But my Pixel's power button has QC issues too - it sticks, badly. The V20's scanner is mostly just as fast though, which is great. Sometimes it misses or reacts a little slower to the way I land my finger on it, possibly because it's a smaller sensor than the Pixel (and I'm not using a case on the V20 yet which makes it harder to find), but it's probably the best FP scanner I've used other than the Pixel's.
-Haven't really tested sunlight legibility yet, but the V20 will get brighter than the Pixel XL out of the box. If you root and use a kernel to activate the Pixel's HBM, it is brighter than the V20. I imagine the Pixel XL is fairly better in sunlight due to this, and its less reflective display.
-Pixel XL seems to have a better speaker.
-V20 has a much brighter camera flash for pictures, but slightly dimmer flashlight (at least the built in one - could be modified probably with root). The Pixel XL's camera flash is much better for color reproduction and skin tones though.
I really can't decide between the 2 phones. If the Note7 were still around, and actually a good performer, it'd be in my hands still. The V20 would have been perfect to me if it had an AMOLED display. But don't be mistaken, it's a great phone and actually gives you some features for your money. The Pixels are like iPhones... they just work, really really well, and that's about it. And the days of that being a huge advantage are coming to an end with Android OEMs finally maturing with their software optimization.

Settings/Developer Options/Tick on "Force GPU Rendering should make Android phone smoother/snappier!
If root available try L Speed/Entropy/fstrim apps found on Play Store!
LG V20 & LG G5 are snappy beasts and are well optimised with the Snapdragon 820 and is better than Samsung!
I wished that LG could have waited little more that it could have had the Snapdragon 821!
The Qualcomm website states that Snapdragon 821 fixes scrolling performance?
Is SD 820 bad sometimes? SD 810 & SD 808 is of course laggy sometimes!
Can't wait for next version of Snapdragon which might be SD 835 [830 might be skipped] Bring on LG G6 & LG V30! They should give battery life of 5 hours within 5 minutes of charge! Qualcomm Quick Charge 4.0
Also lag free & superior performance!

LG G6 or OnePlus 5 to buy for the same price?

Both phones are around 420€. G6 european version has no wireless charging and DAC. I can't decide which device to buy because I had G5 and it has many hardware problems like GPS, screen retention, camera focus problems and my power button is not functional (fingerprint scanner also doesn't work anymore).
Thanks in advance

unless you are concerned with root, the G6 is much better imo. And root is available for a couple models, too.

If you are not so satisfied of your G5 go for the OP5. G6 is a great phone but it has some problems like battery drain issue and you lose warranty in case of bootloader unlock. So, think at what you are searching for and make your decision. Otherwise wait for the V30.

I have had the same confusion. As LG has quite more reputation than Chinese OnePlus I went for G6. And I am happy that I made that choice because OnePlus frequently lies about almost everything.

OP5 Will be unofficially supported for many years to come due to a strong development community, dorimanx would be the best example of developers who maintain support for years.
Edit Oops dori has OP3T

I had the same confusion. Really happy I went with the G6! Waterproof is a big benefit , finally no need to hide my phone when hiking and rain starts. Also could be cool to use it underwater. The lack of wide angle lens on the OP5 is almost a deal breaker on its own. Plus, the G6 is a beauty
And of course i prefer support for QC rather than Dash.

its a personal choice based on your priorities, if price is not a factor, then i would wait for the upcoming flagships. If the low prices is a factor then i guess its a good time now to buy.
As for me, the wide angle and the DAC make the G6 a better option for me, i would rather sacrifice the slight performance for the better looking device with all that comes with it (HDR 12bit colors, water resistant, better design in my humble opinion)
I have a semi functioning S7 and the color comparisons i've done, the blacks are just as black on the G6 and the whites are purer whites in my eyes, it seems cooler to the s7 and people who are used to AMOLED will say it might look a bit cool(blue) but trying to keep accuracy in mind, i would have to say the G6 seems to have truer whites while the AMOLED is very warm looking semi pinkish when i compare.
i have not checked it in a dark room to see how dark the blacks gets though but i feel it does get really black from memory.
For my Dad, i would recommend the Oneplus5 over the G6 because he likes better quality camera, front camera is definitely better on the OP5 and a comparable rear camera, i feel the G6 gets cleaner photos in adequate lighting compared the Oneplus 5 but in low light the Oneplus is better because the g6 uses such low quality sensors (though this can be mitigated by using Google camera's HDR+), i would think with the lighter skin, more efficient SnapD 835, OP5 probably gets better battery life. So for his priorities, OP5 is a better choice.

dkimmortal said:
its a personal choice based on your priorities, if price is not a factor, then i would wait for the upcoming flagships. If the low prices is a factor then i guess its a good time now to buy.
As for me, the wide angle and the DAC make the G6 a better option for me, i would rather sacrifice the slight performance for the better looking device with all that comes with it (HDR 12bit colors, water resistant, better design in my humble opinion)
I have a semi functioning S7 and the color comparisons i've done, the blacks are just as black on the G6 and the whites are purer whites in my eyes, it seems cooler to the s7 and people who are used to AMOLED will say it might look a bit cool(blue) but trying to keep accuracy in mind, i would have to say the G6 seems to have truer whites while the AMOLED is very warm looking semi pinkish when i compare.
i have not checked it in a dark room to see how dark the blacks gets though but i feel it does get really black from memory.
For my Dad, i would recommend the Oneplus5 over the G6 because he likes better quality camera, front camera is definitely better on the OP5 and a comparable rear camera, i feel the G6 gets cleaner photos in adequate lighting compared the Oneplus 5 but in low light the Oneplus is better because the g6 uses such low quality sensors (though this can be mitigated by using Google camera's HDR+), i would think with the lighter skin, more efficient SnapD 835, OP5 probably gets better battery life. So for his priorities, OP5 is a better choice.
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Thanks! Is there a big difference SOT between both phones? And do you see a difference between sharpness (QHD vs FHD)?

obol2 said:
Thanks! Is there a big difference SOT between both phones? And do you see a difference between sharpness (QHD vs FHD)?
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I had the OP5 and returned it. I found the screen to be lacking when compared to the G6. I prefer the whites on the G6 and the sharpness does make a difference to me.
SOT on the G6 is really good. I get a full day of standby with 4-6 hours of SOT. And it charges fast with any high amp or quickcharge charger. The OP5 has better SOT but I don't feel that I absolutely need it. Plus it charges slowly with anything but the dash charger.
And I'm not keen to buy a ton of new chargers just because.
As to speed, the OP5 is faster but I'm ok with the speed on the G6. It's definitely not lagging. The OS on the G6 is fine too, no reason for me to flash anything else right now. I just hope LG finally figures out how to do monthly updates like Google or Samsung.
Other benefits of the G6, OK Google works with the screen off, not so on the OP5.
The always on display is awesome, doesn't use much battery for me at all.
I absolutely love the wide angle camera.
Considering the low price the G6 is a much better option to me right now.
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Personally I'm really happy with the H870DS. Cost a fair bit less than the Oneplus 5, battery life has been great and the OS skin isn't that far from stock android. Obviously can't root it, but for the money it's a bargain.

S10e upgrade

Hi guys,
Apologies if this is the wrong thread but wasn't sure where to post this.
Quick question....
I currently have the s10e. Is it worth upgrading to the note 10, s20 or s20+?
Main things for me are battery life, portability and performance, not bothered about the camera as I hardly ever use it.
Thanks
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blackrome0 said:
Hi guys,
Apologies if this is the wrong thread but wasn't sure where to post this.
Quick question....
I currently have the s10e. Is it worth upgrading to the note 10, s20 or s20+?
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Just don't get the exynos version.. and get s20>note10
I have the snapdragon s20plus U1
It is fantastic all around.
Only "issue" is face id is not reliable enough and fingerprint is not as good as the 7 pro I came from but works well after you get the muscle memory down.
I had the s10e and hell yes s20 would be nice upgrade imo. 120hz is very nice.
I'd recommend the plus but the regular s20 wouldn't be as big a jump in size for you as the plus would be.
Attached the trade in value on Samsung site.
I got 600 for a pixel 4 I paid 400 for.
Cheers

jasons1004 said:
Just don't get the exynos version.. and get s20>note10
I have the snapdragon s20plus U1
It is fantastic all around.
Only "issue" is face id is not reliable enough and fingerprint is not as good as the 7 pro I came from but works well after you get the muscle memory down.
I had the s10e and hell yes s20 would be nice upgrade imo. 120hz is very nice.
I'd recommend the plus but the regular s20 wouldn't be as big a jump in size for you as the plus would be.
Attached the trade in value on Samsung site.
I got 600 for a pixel 4 I paid 400 for.
Cheers
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Thanks for the reply Jason
The problem is that I'm in UK (London) so here we only have the exynos version. I'd have to import the Snapdragon version from a reputable website seller which I'll need to do research on
I kinda figured the s20 plus would be the sensible choice, but I keep thinking is the extra 500mah on the s20 plus worth the extra £100 from the regular s20
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I also switched from the S10e. Yes, it's bigger but after a few days you'll get used to it. I got the exynos version because I live in Romania, but I do not recommend. It gets pretty hot and the games play better on s10e(real racing 3). Battery life it's better with 120hz display. Tomorrow I'll get the snapdragon and for a few days I will have them both. I opened a thread in "discussion" and I'll post the differences.

Maybe pixel 4xl for you then (do not get regular P4) or maybe a oneplus? I would not get the exy s20 for sure.
I mean....the s10e still good too.

If you're coming from an S10E SD855 version then it wont be worth it unless they make some improvements or if the issues currently bogging people down is software related and will be fixed eventually on the Exynos 990 versions. The SD865 versions of the S20 is pretty much solid from battery life to not heating up as much = in turn not thermal throttling which leads to low fps in games and maybe some hitching/chugging when browsing regularly. If its software related and they can make improvements on it then it wouldn't be so bad.
Portability and Battery sizes are as follows:
s10e
5.8"
3100mAh
note10
6.3"
3500mAh
s20
6.2"
4000mAh
s20+
6.7"
4500mAh

If you don't game, get the Exynos, no issues

If you are still on the fence, here are some things to consider:
1. S20 and S10e are the same width, but S20 is 7% taller (5.97 mm vs 5.60 mm) so you'll have to stretch a little more to reach S20 notification panel
2. S20 display is 7% larger (6.2" vs 5.8")
3. S20 screen pixel density is 29% higher (566 ppi vs 438 ppi)
4. Screen-to-body ratio. S20 88.6% vs S10e 83.4%. That doesn't sound like much difference, but you see the difference when placed side-by-side
5. S20 battery is 29% larger (4000 mAh vs 3100 mAh)
6. S20 has twice as much RAM (12 GB vs 6 GB)
7. S20 camera is better
8. S20 will be supported longer
9. S10e fingerprint reader is better
10. S10e has 3.5 mm audio jack

sublimaze said:
If you are still on the fence, here are some things to consider:
1. S20 and S10e are the same width, but S20 is 7% taller (5.97 mm vs 5.60 mm) so you'll have to stretch a little more to reach S20 notification panel
2. S20 display is 7% larger (6.2" vs 5.8")
3. S20 screen pixel density is 29% higher (566 ppi vs 438 ppi)
4. Screen-to-body ratio. S20 88.6% vs S10e 83.4%. That doesn't sound like much difference, but you see the difference when placed side-by-side
5. S20 battery is 29% larger (4000 mAh vs 3100 mAh)
6. S20 has twice as much RAM (12 GB vs 6 GB)
7. S20 camera is better
8. S20 will be supported longer
9. S10e fingerprint reader is better
10. S10e has 3.5 mm audio jack
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You're right I am still on the fence, but looking at the s20+ now because of the bigger battery
I know it'll be a wider which I'll have to deal with, the tallness doesn't bother me though as I can just swipe down anywhere on the screen to bring down notifications (Nova)
Battery lasting all day is an absolute must
Not bothered about the camera, never really take any pictures of anything
Performance is a big thing, needs to be snappy like this s10e
Will for sure miss the headphone Jack. I was actually just now looking at the LG V60, looks like a sick device especially with that day and a half battery life, but is just waaaay to big
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blackrome0 said:
You're right I am still on the fence, but looking at the s20+ now because of the bigger battery
I know it'll be a wider which I'll have to deal with, the tallness doesn't bother me though as I can just swipe down anywhere on the screen to bring down notifications (Nova)
Battery lasting all day is an absolute must
Not bothered about the camera, never really take any pictures of anything
Performance is a big thing, needs to be snappy like this s10e
Will for sure miss the headphone Jack. I was actually just now looking at the LG V60, looks like a sick device especially with that day and a half battery life, but is just waaaay to big
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There isn't much difference in size between S10e and S20. However, you *will* feel the difference in size between S10e and S20+. The S20+ is noticeably taller and a little wider.
The S20 and S20+ have the same basic specifications. With the S20+ you are essentially paying $200 more for 8% larger display, 13% larger battery, mmWave 5G, and a time-of-flight sensor. Other than that, they are the same phone.
I almost bought a S20, but ended up getting the S20+ primarily for the larger battery. I had a Note 10, and the S20+ battery is noticeably better. It has never dropped below 20% before bedtime.
I also use Nova Launcher, and I set all developer option animations to 0.3x, and Nova look & feel and scroll speed animations to "Faster than light", and the S20+ flies. Multitasking is silky-smooth with 12 GB RAM, no hiccups for freezes whatsoever. I don't play a lot of games, but the games I do have are loaded quickly and I have not noticed any stuttering.
I thought I'd miss the headphone jack with my Note 10, but I got Galaxy Buds and they sound pretty good. I have some USB adapters for my wired buds, but I rarely use them. The Galaxy Buds aren't audiophile-level quality, so if you are a hardcore audiophile, then you probably want to stick with a phone with a 3.5 mm port.
As I mentioned before, the under display fingerprint reader of the S20 is really disappointing. The S20+ scanner reads my FP about 70% of the time. I've rescanned my finger many times, and I also setup the same finger as a "secondary finger", and it still works only 70% of the time. My Note 10 had the same FP reader, and it sucked too. I started using face recognition and PIN on my Note 10, and I do the same on my S20+.
Other than the crappy FP reader and no 3.5 mm port, the S20+ is pretty much flawless imo. I don't miss my Note 10 at all (I rarely used the Spen). I am sure you will enjoy a S20 or S20+. But whether it is worth $1000/1200 (minus whatever you get for your S10e) is up to you.