I'm thinking about migrating to the HTC U Ultra as I've just shattered my A9 screen.
Can the U Ultra be S-Offed or is it required to be? I can't find a definite answer in the threads. I know the A9 required it. Does it just need unlocked bootloader?
Second, buying the Euro version am I able to change the CID and MID to the US one (BS_US001) like I did my A9?
Would really appreciate your help. Thanks.
If you just need to flash custom rom you don't need S-OFF. Just unlocked bootloader is enough. In fact i do not know way to S-OFF u ultra for now.
Any advice about changing the MID or CID? It's been awhile since I did that on my A9 but I think I only had the bootloader unlocked.
On second thought, prices for the U11 are down enough to be reasonable.
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I am coming from Droid Incredible running CM 7.1 on PagePlus for 3 years (Verizon MVNO for those who don't know). So I am familiar with Android ecosystem and rooting.
I am looking to buy Moto X to be used in USA on H2O (AT&T MVNO) because on Pageplus the speed are limited to 3G and most new phones cannot be activated without flashing which I don't want to do.
1) Is there any reason NOT to buy Developer Edition (GSM Networks)? Current price is now the same as AT&T branded version and I am OK with just one color being available.
2) Am I correct in understanding that this version of the phone supports all LTE and HSPA frequencies both for AT&T and TMobile? Quote from the spec:
Networks
GSM/GPRS/EDGE - UMTS/HSPA + up to 42 Mbps - 4G LTE
2G/2.5G GSM/GPRS/EDGE bands
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G UMTS bands
850/900/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B4/B2/B1)
4G LTE bands
700/AWS/1900MHz (B17/B4/B2)
3) Are there any known issues with Moto X that has not been fixed with software updates yet? I am also considering Moto G which would be good enough for me but it has battery issues ("instant" drops from full charge to 1%) that are now investigated by Motorola but no solution yet. For Moto X so far I only found that some people have small cracks on their cases that are fixed by mailing it for warranty work.
1) I too considered the GSM Dev Edition of the Moto X but decided not to get it based on looks. I don't like white phones. The Dev Moto X has a woven white back and I didn't like that. I also have not use for 32GB of internal storage. I didn't even fill the 8GB that was on my RAZR M (previous phone). This was my reasoning, so I went with the MotoMaker GSM unlocked retail Moto X (also referred to as the T-Mobile version).
2)I don't know about the Dev version but if I had to guess I'd say it's like my phone, so yes. I have an AT&T SIM in my Moto X and I get 4G LTE when I'm in town.
3)The only issues I know of are the cracks as you mentioned and the some of the wood backs having a poor finish applied. There may be another that I've yet to read here but I've not had any problem with the phone.
Hikikomori-Otaku said:
1) I too considered the GSM Dev Edition of the Moto X but decided not to get it based on looks. I don't like white phones. The Dev Moto X has a woven white back and I didn't like that. I also have not use for 32GB of internal storage. I didn't even fill the 8GB that was on my RAZR M (previous phone). This was my reasoning, so I went with the MotoMaker GSM unlocked retail Moto X (also referred to as the T-Mobile version).
2)I don't know about the Dev version but if I had to guess I'd say it's like my phone, so yes. I have an AT&T SIM in my Moto X and I get 4G LTE when I'm in town.
3)The only issues I know of are the cracks as you mentioned and the some of the wood backs having a poor finish applied. There may be another that I've yet to read here but I've not had any problem with the phone.
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I don't like white phones either but I want to be able to root. Is what you went with (MotoMaker GSM unlocked retail Moto X) essentially the same as Dev Edition other than color? Or is it only carrier unlocked but not bootloader unlocked?
JoeSchmoe007 said:
I don't like white phones either but I want to be able to root. Is what you went with (MotoMaker GSM unlocked retail Moto X) essentially the same as Dev Edition other than color? Or is it only carrier unlocked but not bootloader unlocked?
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The main differences between the two would be the retail version can be customs made in MotoMaker and when the bootloader is unlocked you loose your warranty. The Dev version only comes in one style but your warranty will still be intact after unlocking the bootloader.
Hikikomori-Otaku said:
The main differences between the two would be the retail version can be customs made in MotoMaker and when the bootloader is unlocked you loose your warranty. The Dev version only comes in one style but your warranty will still be intact after unlocking the bootloader.
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Thank you for responding. So the warranty will be void completely, even for the hardware issues completely unrelated to unlocking bootloader?
Can bootloader on retail version be re-locked to send it in for warranty?
I think I read that each time OS updates are released for Moto X new exploit may need to be found to root/unlock bootloader. Did I get it right or am I confusing something?
Can root be achieved without unlocking bootloader? If I understand correctly unlocking bootloader is really only needed if one wants to try different ROM-s and root can sometimes be achieved without unlocking bootloader. But Moto X is almost stock Android, so I see no point in trying other ROM-s but I do want to have root.
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Thank you for responding. So the warranty will be void completely, even for the hardware issues completely unrelated to unlocking bootloader?
Can bootloader on retail version be re-locked to send it in for warranty?
I think I read that each time OS updates are released for Moto X new exploit may need to be found to root/unlock bootloader. Did I get it right or am I confusing something?
Can root be achieved without unlocking bootloader? If I understand correctly unlocking bootloader is really only needed if one wants to try different ROM-s and root can sometimes be achieved without unlocking bootloader. But Moto X is almost stock Android, so I see no point in trying other ROM-s but I do want to have root.
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Yes, your warranty will be completly void if you unlock the bootloader on any Moto X except the Dev version.
You can relock (and reunlock) the bootloader but because you have to get the unlock key from Motorola, they will know even if you relock it. I believe there is also a line in fastboot that will will indicate if the warrently is void (as a result of the first unlock).
This is true. With any update there is the potential for an exploit being 'removed'. The same is true for most bootloaders but not necessarily for this phone. Even if the bootloader is updated, the unlock code for your phone will still work.
Yes, root can be achieved without unlocking the bootloader but it's a complex method for this phone. It's much easier to unlock the bootloader, flash a custom recovery, and flash the SU binary. This is also the preferred method if it's avalible for your Moto X.
Unlocking your bootloader let's you do a few things. The most common it to flash another recovery image and thus a new ROM. You can also flash kernals, binaries, apps, and a few other things with the bootloader unlocked.
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This is true. With any update there is the potential for an exploit being 'removed'. The same is true for most bootloaders but not necessarily for this phone. Even if the bootloader is updated, the unlock code for your phone will still work.
Yes, root can be achieved without unlocking the bootloader but it's a complex method for this phone. It's much easier to unlock the bootloader, flash a custom recovery, and flash the SU binary. This is also the preferred method if it's avalible for your Moto X.
Unlocking your bootloader let's you do a few things. The most common it to flash another recovery image and thus a new ROM. You can also flash kernals, binaries, apps, and a few other things with the bootloader unlocked.
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So what specific exploit can be removed? For rooting? Or for unlocking bootloader? The way I understand one can always unlock bootloader using code from Motorola no matter if your phone is retail or Dev. Edition, however then root may or may not work? But this contradicts with what you said about if bootloader is unlocked then you can flash custom recovery and SU, so you can still always achieve root. Is there an FAQ or thread on this forum where this is described in details?
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So what specific exploit can be removed? For rooting? Or for unlocking bootloader? The way I understand one can always unlock bootloader using code from Motorola no matter if your phone is retail or Dev. Edition, however then root may or may not work? But this contradicts with what you said about if bootloader is unlocked then you can flash custom recovery and SU, so you can still always achieve root. Is there an FAQ or thread on this forum where this is described in details?
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Any exploit can be removed, so long as they're found and will not inhibit the use of the device. I guess I should clarify a bit. Your bootloader and root access have different ways to get them. The bootloader basically protects the partitions of the phone. The only way to unlock the bootloader of the Moto X is to go to Motorola and get the unique unlock code for your Moto X. The Verizon retail and AT&T retail versions are the only two models of my knowledge that can't be unlocked by Motorola and no exploit has been found for them. How root is achieved by having an unlocked bootloader is as followed; The bootloader is unlocked giving the user access to the partitions of the phone > a custom recovery is flashed > using the new recovery SU binary is added (flashed) to the dormant Android OS. Without an unlocked bootloader, this method is impossible as you can't complete the first step. This is when an exploit in the Android OS is needed. The current SlapMyMoto exploit takes advantage that Motorola lets Moto X users downgrade. Once on a lower version of Android, we can root that and basically 'tunnel' up a path to give ourselves root in they newer version of Android. The unlocked bootloader method is preferred because it's easier and will almost always work (unless Android is given a huge remake). While in recovery, the Android OS is not loaded and thus can't protect itself. This makes adding stuff to it much simpler. When the Android OS is booted though, there are security measures in place that we unrooted can't get past without an exploit.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2603358
This thread has a lot of good info from rooting on both locked and unlocked bootloaders, downgrading, and much more.
Honestly I think you answered your own question. If rooting is your number one priority and you don't mind the white back (which I like actually), then I think the Developer Edition is a no brainer for you.
If you want a custom phone and rooting isn't that important, or you don't care about the warranty, then I'd say get the MotoMaker version.
As far as bugs, the only bug I know of is an exchange bug (which I don't use exchange so I don't even know what the bug is/was), but it was fixed in 4.4.2.
You can root the carrier version ie motomaker. That's all you really need is root along with greenify, xposed, gravity box, and viper4android.
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You can root the carrier version ie motomaker. That's all you really need is root along with greenify, xposed, gravity box, and viper4android.
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Currently there is NO root method for 4.4.2 without unlocking the bootloader.
Got an unlocked Verizon Note 4 today. It has a snapdragon processor as far as i know. I dont have much experience with samsung, so can anyone point out the steps to take to root/ unlock bootloader/ recovery/etc? Thank you.
This is concerning a moto g5s plus US variant, XT1806 32gb, 3gb ram phone.
2 questions I'm curious about.
1: I rooted this phone about a week after I bought it. I then decided to upgrade phones and am wanting to sell this phone now, but I wanted to lock the bootloader. For about 6 months, no matter WHAT I did, the bootloader just would not lock, regardless of what I did. Not sure why or what happened to make it not lock, so I just gave up until recently.
I decided to break out the phone again and give it one more shot, and to my shock and surprise, I think I finally got it locked. Perhaps I was using the wrong firmware, missing a command or something I'm not sure.
Symptoms I have now are
a: no unlocked bootloader nag screen at bootup and
b: in fastboot mode, it says at the bottom oem_locked
So to the question 1, if it says oem_locked, that is referring to the bootloader as locked, and if it was unlocked, it would say oem_unlocked instead, am I getting that right?
2: I am using firmware labeled as 116-64-11. I know they have different variants, and you should use the coresponding variant number. If I recall right the 64 varient is a global firmware, but will work on all variants of this phone, india and US variants alike.
If I again recall right the US variant number should be 116-45-x, 45 being the US variant. So does anyone know for sure what the corresponding numbers are for each one, and am I correct on my assumption?
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This is concerning a moto g5s plus US variant, XT1806 32gb, 3gb ram phone.
2 questions I'm curious about.
1: I rooted this phone about a week after I bought it. I then decided to upgrade phones and am wanting to sell this phone now, but I wanted to lock the bootloader. For about 6 months, no matter WHAT I did, the bootloader just would not lock, regardless of what I did. Not sure why or what happened to make it not lock, so I just gave up until recently.
I decided to break out the phone again and give it one more shot, and to my shock and surprise, I think I finally got it locked. Perhaps I was using the wrong firmware, missing a command or something I'm not sure.
Symptoms I have now are
a: no unlocked bootloader nag screen at bootup and
b: in fastboot mode, it says at the bottom oem_locked
So to the question 1, if it says oem_locked, that is referring to the bootloader as locked, and if it was unlocked, it would say oem_unlocked instead, am I getting that right?
2: I am using firmware labeled as 116-64-11. I know they have different variants, and you should use the coresponding variant number. If I recall right the 64 varient is a global firmware, but will work on all variants of this phone, india and US variants alike.
If I again recall right the US variant number should be 116-45-x, 45 being the US variant. So does anyone know for sure what the corresponding numbers are for each one, and am I correct on my assumption?
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Okay so your device is sanders and not potter. This forum is for moto g5 plus not 's'. Post it in the g5s forum and u might get more help. And yes oem_locked is locked bootloader. And u will get the build version in the g5s section. GL.
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This is concerning a moto g5s plus US variant, XT1806 32gb, 3gb ram phone.
2 questions I'm curious about.
1: I rooted this phone about a week after I bought it. I then decided to upgrade phones and am wanting to sell this phone now, but I wanted to lock the bootloader. For about 6 months, no matter WHAT I did, the bootloader just would not lock, regardless of what I did. Not sure why or what happened to make it not lock, so I just gave up until recently.
I decided to break out the phone again and give it one more shot, and to my shock and surprise, I think I finally got it locked. Perhaps I was using the wrong firmware, missing a command or something I'm not sure.
Symptoms I have now are
a: no unlocked bootloader nag screen at bootup and
b: in fastboot mode, it says at the bottom oem_locked
So to the question 1, if it says oem_locked, that is referring to the bootloader as locked, and if it was unlocked, it would say oem_unlocked instead, am I getting that right?
2: I am using firmware labeled as 116-64-11. I know they have different variants, and you should use the coresponding variant number. If I recall right the 64 varient is a global firmware, but will work on all variants of this phone, india and US variants alike.
If I again recall right the US variant number should be 116-45-x, 45 being the US variant. So does anyone know for sure what the corresponding numbers are for each one, and am I correct on my assumption?
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Oh...kay,
first ur phone lost its virginity, after a while u were dissatisfied so u decided to restore its virginity and u cudnt for about six months, u gave up.
Somehow u fixed it, now u wanna sell it to someone else!
Hmm interesting story eh..
But not here mate! Maybe the folks in the "Moto G5S Plus" forum can help u.
rajeshkoshti said:
Oh...kay,
first ur phone lost its virginity, after a while u were dissatisfied so u decided to restore its virginity and u cudnt for about six months, u gave up.
Somehow u fixed it, now u wanna sell it to someone else!
Hmm interesting story eh..
But not here mate! Maybe the folks in the "Moto G5S Plus" forum can help u.
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Hilarious:laugh:
Where do I find this?
um us samsung on SD doesn't have an unlocked bootloader since like forever?
It's unlocked SIM, not bootloader...
Living under a rock for the past few years, bud?
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Where do I find this?
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Lol...you buy an exynos or HK snapdragon version if you want to find that.
Research first, buy second.
Apologies in advance if this is a stupid question! Sadly I am nowhere near as knowledgeable on this as you guys, hence the question!
I currently have a UK bought Note 9, but I was looking to sell it for ~£400 and then get a s10+.
The one of the samsung website is £899 which is too much for me to justify an upgrade, but on the grey market with sites like this eglobalcentral
They cost around £659, much better.
I would also prefer the snapdragon version to the exynos version which we get here in the UK. Would I be able to purchase this one from the site, the G9750, and flash it with the bootloader of a UK version, such as the SM-G975FZKDBTU (SM-G975f)? Does one know how I could do this? I have realised some US versions you cannot unlock the bootloader, does anyone have more details on this? I can't find anything anywhere. Thanks in advance!
My priority of course would be not to trip Knox or void the warranty etc.
I use the SM-G9730 in Canada with TGY (hong kong) build. It's fine, not sure why you would prefer to change the bootloader.
Once you swap the system language to english, its all good.
Plus the bootloader itself is all in english.
The biggest thing is to make sure all of your bands match up.
A locked bootloader prevents you from installing anything other than the official flavor roms and kernel. So if you wish to install custom Roms like LineageOS or the like a some point you must have an unlocked bootloader or be able to unlock it.
That said you would not be able to install the firmware for the UK model specifically because they use different chipsets (Snapdragon vs Exynos). But rom itself should be basically the same and not need changed you would just need to install the specific apps you are missing. Usually those apps can be found in the play store.
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