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Picked up the $330 deal from Newegg Ebay. The phone is charged and unmodded / not updated. The software it came with is A2017UV1.0.0B27. There is an update pending but I've not applied it yet. I'm well versed with ADB and fastboot coming from a long line of Nexus phones that I always root...
There seems to be lots of ways forward from here but I'd like to see what people recommend. It appears that an unlocked bootloader will make it so future updates cannot be applied. I've always unlocked in the past but I hope to get wifi calling (T-Mobile) in future updates (from what I understand that's on the way but not out yet?). If a non-stock rom allows wifi calling I'd be game for that as I typically am not a fan of how companies bloat the standard android rom.
Main things I want:
TWRP
(seamless?) root (primarily for AdAway and TiBackup)
Band 12
Wifi calling
Remove any potential ZTE spyware
What do you think? Unlock the bootloader and forget future ZTE updates? Keep it locked?
Thanks!
OTA updates work just fine with an unlocked bootloader. They do not however work if the system or recovery has been modified.
I ran stock for a few weeks. Recently switched to resurrection remix. It adds a lot of additional configuration ability. Most of the settings that were/are available in gravity box. GB is no longer possible until xposed is redeveloped for 7.
I'd say unlock the bootloader first, then either try stock or one of the aosp roms. Been on RR for just two days now, first impressions include bettery battery life and faster UI interaction.
gpz1100 said:
OTA updates work just fine with an unlocked bootloader. They do not however work if the system or recovery has been modified.
I ran stock for a few weeks. Recently switched to resurrection remix. It adds a lot of additional configuration ability. Most of the settings that were/are available in gravity box. GB is no longer possible until xposed is redeveloped for 7.
I'd say unlock the bootloader first, then either try stock or one of the aosp roms. Been on RR for just two days now, first impressions include bettery battery life and faster UI interaction.
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Ahh... understood. Seamless is the way to go for future updates then. I'll unlock and take that route. Thanks much!
Lost Dog said:
Ahh... understood. Seamless is the way to go for future updates then. I'll unlock and take that route. Thanks much!
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My personal experience with Lineage (never tried RR, but I guess it's close to lineage) is overall disappointment. Half of the apps I tried didn't work, especially some 3D games. The stock camera app is unbearably bad IMO, from comparisons I decided to make I hate the overall quality of the photos... ZTE's system is not even close to full of bloatware. The only added out of the box apps are WPS Office which comes in handy, AccuWeather which is kinda questionable, true; ZTE Cares which mostly tells you to reboot your phone if you have a problem (1.14 mb, never open), this WeShare thing that you can ignore completely, and the stock music, browser, etc and Gapps. Even the calculator and some kinda useful apps are all packed on one app, and you can add shortcuts... Can't really say I've seen less bloated phones in the market...
TWRP and root are completely fine on Stock
no idea about band 12
ZTE spyware... The only thing I heard about was the location provider on A2017G which is being changed on the next update. We had Qualcomm IZat (Korea) and we got changed to Tencent (China) so that's kind of a spyware. but you can uninstall that with root
and I understand people who say that the stock ROM is ugly. Just use a launcher.
the only real advantage that I can see is the possibility to use Substratum with a pitch black theme. I could get near to 2 days battery with that stuff.
^^How recently have you tried it?
I'll be out and about tomorrow so will get a chance to play with the camera to see how well it does in RR. I got both the google camera and aosp camera apps installed. We'll see how good/bad the pics come out. I don't expect dslr results out of a cell phone camera anyway so camera quality isn't at the top of the list for me.
Same with games. Can't remember the last one I played on a phone. Most of my use is email/web/navi/voip. Long battery life is at the top of my list. With typical usage, I could go 2 days between charges and still have ~40% remaining. If I get 3 days now with RR with similar usage/sot, I'll be happy camper. Not to mention, the phone is more responsive.
Stock isn't bad until you've tried something else, then you get a feel for how heavy the ui is.
Band 12 is supported on both tmo and att as far as i know. I know i've seen it a few times on att.
Does anyone have an alternative link to the files in this post:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/axon-7/development/wip-axon-7-root-bootloader-unlokced-t3441204
Dev-Host either throws out a ton of spam links or just stalls on the download.
Alright!
I'm on 7.1.1 with backed up stock bootloader and recovery. Rooted with a modified version of Magisk and passing the safetynet check.
So far, signal strength seems good and the addition of wifi calling is fantastic....
I don't have T-Mobile, but I believe the latest update, v. 7.1.1 B19 includes WiFi calling.
ETA: Oops. I guess that's what I get for getting distracted and posting a response an hour after I started it.
Even though I never owned one until now, I've been following the OnePlus models ever since the One was released. I've used CyanogenMod and LineageOS on my previous phones, all of which have been rooted mostly to block ads, remove carrier bloat, and to try custom ROMs.
I'm very surprised with OxygenOS and despite having the T-Mobile branded version I'm not sure I want to go through with rooting it. I'm currently network unlocked and awaiting my unlock token. I'm currently using Blockada to block ads. It works well for the most part but doesn't seem as good as AdAway. Aside being able to run AdAway with root, what other reasons should I do it?
As far as I can tell the only bloat on my phone right now is the T-Mobile app and the T-Mobile unlock app. Despite being network unlocked, the Unlock app remained and just got disabled however using adb shell and the pm uninstall command it looks like that was removed. The T-Mobile app is disabled so that's not too much of an issue for me. I don't use YouTube when signed in so the regular version of YouTube Vanced works fine for me now unrooted.
I had Magisk running on my Nexus 5 which allowed me to be rooted and did a great job passing the safetynet checks. Does Magisk still do that effectively on the OP6T?
I'm thinking of not rooting anymore though I am interested in installing the non-Tmobile-branded OxygenOS. I've seen all the threads however it's difficult to read through hundreds of pages of posts. Will I be able to still get OTA updates from One plus, or at least be able to download and then manually install? Is the "International OOS version" the non-TMobile branded OS? I'm not a huge user of wifi calling, though I like having the option for areas with poor reception. Do I lose that when I get rid of the T-Mobile branded OOS?
Reasons For Rooting:
1) Youtube Vanced (Sign-in is a thing for me )
2) Adaway (In my opinion it's far better than blokada)
3) ViPER4Android (for superior speaker experience)
4) Customizing 3-rd party Kernels to fit your needs (underclock,overclock etc.)
5) Getting custom animations (such as McLaren fingerprint animation) and stuff like that.
I've been updating OOS with no problems. I really don't see a reason why someone would not root their OP6T.
@bassic
Long story short, it's stupid simple to convert. PM me when you have your unlock token and I'll walk you through it. I was extremely nervous at first, but it was honestly a breeze and updating to every released version of OOS was also worry-free. If you want, I'm on Telegram. Same username as here.
I'm on the TMO variant as well, and as far as I can tell the only reason to root is to convert to the international firmware. Out of that, there is no reason for root.
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For me I root because Google is being an asshole by restricting more and more apps that worked perfectly on Oreo. So now that we're on Pie I was actually forced to root in order to enjoy my phone fully. Swift is a big deal for me and I need it so I rooted. Now I can resume to apply my own themes to my apps (and system apps).
With root access I have call recording back. Another ability Google killed on Pie. Titanium Backup was also something I was missing. Being able to DELETE, not disable, ANY app that I want from my phone is just lovely.
I wish I could root but oh no they had to add more steps to do so... Unlock tokens? Seriously lol..... If I could root it would be viper4android for sure probably the best mod I've used since note 3
bassic said:
Even though I never owned one until now, I've been following the OnePlus models ever since the One was released. I've used CyanogenMod and LineageOS on my previous phones, all of which have been rooted mostly to block ads, remove carrier bloat, and to try custom ROMs.
I'm very surprised with OxygenOS and despite having the T-Mobile branded version I'm not sure I want to go through with rooting it. I'm currently network unlocked and awaiting my unlock token. I'm currently using Blockada to block ads. It works well for the most part but doesn't seem as good as AdAway. Aside being able to run AdAway with root, what other reasons should I do it?
As far as I can tell the only bloat on my phone right now is the T-Mobile app and the T-Mobile unlock app. Despite being network unlocked, the Unlock app remained and just got disabled however using adb shell and the pm uninstall command it looks like that was removed. The T-Mobile app is disabled so that's not too much of an issue for me. I don't use YouTube when signed in so the regular version of YouTube Vanced works fine for me now unrooted.
I had Magisk running on my Nexus 5 which allowed me to be rooted and did a great job passing the safetynet checks. Does Magisk still do that effectively on the OP6T?
I'm thinking of not rooting anymore though I am interested in installing the non-Tmobile-branded OxygenOS. I've seen all the threads however it's difficult to read through hundreds of pages of posts. Will I be able to still get OTA updates from One plus, or at least be able to download and then manually install? Is the "International OOS version" the non-TMobile branded OS? I'm not a huge user of wifi calling, though I like having the option for areas with poor reception. Do I lose that when I get rid of the T-Mobile branded OOS?
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A post wouldn't do rooting justice.
I've rooted more phones over the last 25 years than 99% of anyone posting here, and, the truth is, this phone doesnt NEED to be rooted; but, its nice that you can if you feel you must..I havent rooted this phone yet, even though I have had my "token" for weeks now, because, aside from missing Viper and substratum, there is nothing that rooting will enhance for me..
And, If you need to be talked into why you should root this phone, or any other phone, then I would say you dont need to root it..
moodloid said:
Reasons For Rooting:
1) Youtube Vanced (Sign-in is a thing for me )
2) Adaway (In my opinion it's far better than blokada)
3) ViPER4Android (for superior speaker experience)
4) Customizing 3-rd party Kernels to fit your needs (underclock,overclock etc.)
5) Getting custom animations (such as McLaren fingerprint animation) and stuff like that.
I've been updating OOS with no problems. I really don't see a reason why someone would not root their OP6T.
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I sort of agree with all of that, I would root because of all those things and the Stereo speaker mod...
however, I can't be bothered with the instability it brings, the apps that don't work (banking and TV apps in the UK) the lags, the pauses, the stalls, the crashes, the red text that tells you it's been tampered with....etc...etc...
I can do what I want without rooting on this phone, the black theme and being able to get rid of text on icons.
And Oxygen OS is so super fast and stable.
So for those reasons I am not rooting this phone!!!
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My primary reason for probably rooting mine as soon as it pulls 9.0.10 down (still waiting, here in US, stuck on .7) is to be able to backup and restore apps and their data at will. I don't understand why Google hasn't made this a standard functionality. I mean for gosh sakes, how hard would it be?
I unwrapped mine yesterday and wasn't planning on transferring my flag to it (from my rooted 3T) yet, but one thing led to another and here I am. I was able to get some stuff over via Google, some stuff via OnePlust switch, and some things via their own clouds, and other things manually set up. So if I bootloader unlock and root I have to re-set-it-up of course. I have Titanium backups in the cloud of everything on my 3T as of 9 am yesterday so restoring onto a rooted phone is no big problem.
For the record on my 3T I had no problems with instability due to rooting, and banking and streaming apps worked fine under Magisk.
eskimosound said:
I sort of agree with all of that, I would root because of all those things and the Stereo speaker mod...
however, I can't be bothered with the instability it brings, the apps that don't work (banking and TV apps in the UK) the lags, the pauses, the stalls, the crashes, the red text that tells you it's been tampered with....etc...etc...
I can do what I want without rooting on this phone, the black theme and being able to get rid of text on icons.
And Oxygen OS is so super fast and stable.
So for those reasons I am not rooting this phone!!!
:silly::silly:
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Lags, crashes because of just rooting? That's unheard of...
ram4ufriends said:
Lags, crashes because of just rooting? That's unheard of...
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I come from years of rooting HTC phones and they all lagged and randomly crashed after rooting.
Fact not fiction and certainly heard of, Google is your friend.
yep, rooting can definitely cause all of those problems, and, at the same time, rooting can allow you to do things that fix all those problems, so, as with everything else electronic/hi tech, someone may have a different experience than someone else..
in the past, many folks rooted to get rid of bloat, and speed up their phones; with this phone, neither of those things apply, so performance wise, rooting wont do much to make this phone "faster"..
wase4711 said:
I've rooted more phones over the last 25 years than 99% of anyone posting here, and, the truth is, this phone doesnt NEED to be rooted; but, its nice that you can if you feel you must..I havent rooted this phone yet, even though I have had my "token" for weeks now, because, aside from missing Viper and substratum, there is nothing that rooting will enhance for me..
And, If you need to be talked into why you should root this phone, or any other phone, then I would say you dont need to root it..
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Thanks! That's what I'm looking for. I've done my share of rooting and have tried countless ROMs over the years from way back on my HTC EVO which got me started with Android. I typically rooted to remove carrier bloat, change themes, speed things up, etc. Then I discovered the Nexus devices which I fell in love with. There wasn't any bloat to remove but I did need to modify my hosts file. When HD streaming became an issue, Magisk fixed all that for me. When the Nexus line was replaced by the Pixel, it came along with flagship phone pricing which turned me away. Thankfully OnePlus is still available and making great phones. I don't need the stereo speaker mod since headphones (with the @#$%& USB-C adapter!) are sufficient so really I don't have much of a reason to root. On all my previous devices I didn't like the fact that a bunch of apps were always running in the background and phoning home when they had no business doing so, and I had Greenify configured to keep them all quiet. With the battery management and background data restriction options on the OP6T, I've effectively achieved the same functionality without needing to root.
It still bugs me that the disabled T-Mobile app is still present, and I'm not a huge fan of the branded phone with boot animation, but I'm very happy with this phone and Oxygen OS and I don't have any compelling reason to root right now. There's no bloat outside of the T-mobile stuff, the phone is blazing fast, and it just works. I think I answered my question and I'm OK with not rooting.
I am interested in flashing the non-T-Mobile-branded OxygenOS version to remove the branding and to get system updates from OnePlus faster than from T-Mobile, however I have a bunch of settings that took me a while to adjust to my liking and I really don't feel like re-doing all of that. Are there any recommended utilities that would be able to conveniently restore all of my apps and individual settings after flashing the unbranded OS?
I've already made a post about rooting and the 6T but since no one searches and everyone has to be a thread starter I'll clear up a few misconceptions...
moodloid said:
Reasons For Rooting:
1) Youtube Vanced (Sign-in is a thing for me )
2) Adaway (In my opinion it's far better than blokada)
3) ViPER4Android (for superior speaker experience)
4) Customizing 3-rd party Kernels to fit your needs (underclock,overclock etc.)
5) Getting custom animations (such as McLaren fingerprint animation) and stuff like that.
I've been updating OOS with no problems. I really don't see a reason why someone would not root their OP6T.
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1.) Doesn't require root
2.) Doesn't require root
3.) Nice to have and missed but given my personal usage (as I have much better devices to listen to audio on it's not a deal breaker)
4.) Phone has good enough performance and battery life not necessary but whatever floats a user's boat.
5.) Yes need root but fall back to #4
roaduardo said:
With root access I have call recording back. Another ability Google killed on Pie. Titanium Backup was also something I was missing. Being able to DELETE, not disable, ANY app that I want from my phone is just lovely.
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Call recording can be added on a non-rooted phone (jOnePlus Tools in Play Store) as I have it and it restores automatically on every reboot. Deleting vs disabling you don't gain any free space on your DATA partition so not a big deal to me. I will agree that Titanium Backup yes sorely missed.
wase4711 said:
I've rooted more phones over the last 25 years than 99% of anyone posting here, and, the truth is, this phone doesnt NEED to be rooted; but, its nice that you can if you feel you must..I havent rooted this phone yet, even though I have had my "token" for weeks now, because, aside from missing Viper and substratum, there is nothing that rooting will enhance for me..
And, If you need to be talked into why you should root this phone, or any other phone, then I would say you dont need to root it..
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Exactly.
What you will miss with root (if you use said apps) is DRM L1 Windvine encryption. I'm a subscriber to YouTube TV (users of Netflix & Amazon Video will suffer same issues) and you get 720x480 instead of 1280x720 or 1920x1080. The resolution is not a big deal given it's roughly a 6" screen but dropping from 60 FPS to 30 FPS is a disaster for sports and I will not compromise on that one.
Once the bootloader is unlocked you drop to L3. To go back to L1 it's relock of bootloader which means bye-bye root.
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Call recording can be added on a non-rooted phone as I have it and it restores automatically on every reboot.
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Via what method and on Pie?
roaduardo said:
Via what method and on Pie?
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I edited my above post.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.jroot3d.joneplustools&hl=en_US
Install that, jump start the app once on a computer (it'll give you directions when you launch the app) and that's it. Enjoy call recording no Magisk modules nor root required. I'm on international 256GB model 9.0.10 no problem.
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I edited my above post.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.jroot3d.joneplustools&hl=en_US
Install that, jump start the app once on a computer (it'll give you directions when you launch the app) and that's it. Enjoy call recording no Magisk modules nor root required. I'm on international 256GB model 9.0.10 no problem.
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Well that's neat. 6T users who don't wanna root should know about this app. Thanks for sharing!
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moodloid said:
Reasons For Rooting:
1) Youtube Vanced (Sign-in is a thing for me )
2) Adaway (In my opinion it's far better than blokada)
3) ViPER4Android (for superior speaker experience)
4) Customizing 3-rd party Kernels to fit your needs (underclock,overclock etc.)
5) Getting custom animations (such as McLaren fingerprint animation) and stuff like that.
I've been updating OOS with no problems. I really don't see a reason why someone would not root their OP6T.
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Can we not get the Youtube Vanced with sign in without root? Used to have that on my Note 8 without any root. Could you explain this please?
Guys, I need your opinion on something.
I have the 6T for one month now, and on the first day I got it I rooted immediately, but I ran into bootloop after a few hours. So I decided to go back to stock and deal with this following problem when I have some spare time.
I have some free time on my hands now to handle the problem. My bootloader of course is unlocked and everything is ready to just flash magisk.
But I am really annoyed by the message when you start your phone up, that your phone is insecure and that you have to download whole system updates when they get released.
But then, on my previous phone, the OP2, I was all about rooting, and flashing stuff and I'm kind of sad to leave this rooting community.
So what do you suggest, is it still worth it to root on the 6T or should I revert everything back to stock and relock my bootloader?
myloarsul said:
Guys, I need your opinion on something.
I have the 6T for one month now, and on the first day I got it I rooted immediately, but I ran into bootloop after a few hours. So I decided to go back to stock and deal with this following problem when I have some spare time.
I have some free time on my hands now to handle the problem. My bootloader of course is unlocked and everything is ready to just flash magisk.
But I am really annoyed by the message when you start your phone up, that your phone is insecure and that you have to download whole system updates when they get released.
But then, on my previous phone, the OP2, I was all about rooting, and flashing stuff and I'm kind of sad to leave this rooting community.
So what do you suggest, is it still worth it to root on the 6T or should I revert everything back to stock and relock my bootloader?
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I rooted for a couple reasons only and they were to use adaway again and Substratum Swift Black. I'm not a fan of the insecure message either. This is the first time I've rooted in a few years. I used All In One tool to root.
I think the reasons for rooting are minimal, but it all depends on what you want. The thing that I keep hearing from everyone (and I agree with):
Root to allow yourself to block ads (Adaway or Energized) and Viper4Android. If you like to theme your phone, Substratum is also fun to play around with. Otherwise, I'd say it's not worth it. My personal preference for rooting is for the already mentioned, and also because I don't like to be held back by anything I want to do to my phone in the future. If I find an annoyance with the phone, I can almost always get rid of it with some root modification.
I posted a similar question recently.
OMGWTFISTHIS said:
Root to allow yourself to block ads (Adaway or Energized) and Viper4Android. If you like to theme your phone, Substratum is also fun to play around with. Otherwise, I'd say it's not worth it. My personal preference for rooting is for the already mentioned, and also because I don't like to be held back by anything I want to do to my phone in the future. If I find an annoyance with the phone, I can almost always get rid of it with some root modification.
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My main reason for rooting all my prior phones was to install AdAway, Greenify (to manage battery performance and kill background apps), and to remove carrier or manufacturer bloat. With the 6T and the latest OxygenOS, I don't really have a need for Greenify and at least on the non T-mobile variant there's no bloat, leaving AdAway as the only reason for me to root. I'm currently using Blockada along with an adblocking DNS which doesn't seem as efficient as AdAway however it's still effective, leaving me with no real reason to root at the moment, but I feel better knowing that I can easily root it at any time if I need to.
Another downside to rooting is that you lose Widevine L1, preventing you from streaming HD content (netflix, amazon video, hulu, etc.). More specifically, there's no way to be rooted with a locked bootloader, and if your bootloader is unlocked your phone is only Widevine L3 compliant, meaning no HD content. This may not be a dealbreaker (SD content is still very watchable on these tiny screens) but it's another thing to consider.
I haven't rooted in a few years. Once I stopped buying carrier bloated phones, buying direct from a manufacturer, most don't have any bloat or blocked features that I need. With the size of space on the built in SD cards, storage for me isn't a problem. I just block em and that is good enough for me.
As for blocking ads, I just use Adguard premium, which blocks about 99% of ads on websites as well as in app ads.
In "the old days" I would root my phone before even setting it up.
So far the only thing I'm really missing is CF.Lumen without root. It's a real shame that the high quality mode can't be achieved without rooting. Otherwise, I'm using Blockada and it seems good enough (I've whitelisted Firefox and installed uBlock Origin there).
Just wondering why there is no rooting solution, or custom roms for this device yet? I have the unlocked S10+, and don't see much news or progress on a rooting solution. Is there a good source for news of this somewhere else? There are several things I'd like to do, but being able to put custom fonts on it would be a big help. I don't understand why Samsung is so against us putting whatever font we want on these devices.
Thanks for any help.
Wrong section
Next time don't buy a smartphone before root released...
It is a big question if root for s10 will be ever possible, because samsung made some changes to security
Root already happened but there's no "user friendly" method yet, and not many benefits currently.
Keep in mind that Root is losing importance, it peaked around 2014 but the various hostility from banking apps or paying solutions contributed in reducing root users, some employers also don't allow you to have a rooted devices because of the vulnerabiities it comes with.
Magisk Hide was great but hit or miss on different devices.
@topjohnwu rooted his own S10+, you can try to contact him for testing if you like, he's doing an awesome job.
XDA is quite trippy today, my post got submitted twice please delete.
thread should be moved. this is not a release.
and again people asking for root should ask themselves if they bought the wrong phone:
a north American model.
will probably never be rootable(the U, U1 and W are all the same and have a locked bootloader)
the rest of the world's s10's will be rootable. its 100% sure. just need someone to get recovery to be flashable.
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10thDmenxn said:
Just wondering why there is no rooting solution, or custom roms for this device yet? I have the unlocked S10+, and don't see much news or progress on a rooting solution. Is there a good source for news of this somewhere else? There are several things I'd like to do, but being able to put custom fonts on it would be a big help. I don't understand why Samsung is so against us putting whatever font we want on these devices.
Thanks for any help.
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ask a mod to move your post/thread.
also read up on what's the difference between the north american modela and the international ones.
then realise the folly of your question/purchase.
:cyclops:
10thDmenxn said:
Just wondering why there is no rooting solution, or custom roms for this device yet? I have the unlocked S10+, and don't see much news or progress on a rooting solution. Is there a good source for news of this somewhere else? There are several things I'd like to do, but being able to put custom fonts on it would be a big help. I don't understand why Samsung is so against us putting whatever font we want on these devices.
Thanks for any help.
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This is one reason why exynos and snapdragon should be separated. No one gives enough info when posting ANYTHING about what version of S10 they have when they are inquiring about whatever they are inquiring about. It makes all the difference in the world. They are essentially two DIFFERENT phones. Why lump them together. The only thing they really share is a name. The internals are different phones. Nothing firmware wise interchanges. Since the mods wont separate the phones in the forums, everyone should mention what S10 they are asking questions about if you want the correct answer.
I have been here for the past 8 years my old acct somehow got hacked..and all the phones I have had were possible to be rooted, including s7, s8, s9, note 4, etc..For someone to say never hasn't been on here enough although Exynos is way easier to root than snapdragons but is it possible? of course, can it happen? in a couple months. In today's society you don't really need to root your phone as companies are making their phones fully customizable
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I have been here for the past 8 years my old acct somehow got hacked..and all the phones I have had were possible to be rooted, including s7, s8, s9, note 4, etc..For someone to say never hasn't been on here enough although Exynos is way easier to root than snapdragons but is it possible? of course, can it happen? in a couple months. In today's society you don't really need to root your phone as companies are making their phones fully customizable
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I second this, before root was such a necessity to me, in my OP5t I was using it mostly for Titanium backup, on my S10+ I think it is not needed, it is much cleaner to be setting up your device from scratch preventing corrupted app settings to mess with the phone.
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I believe root is extremely important if you are a heavy ROM user and like to install several ROM for testing then I would suggest you to have to have root to make nandroid backups and have Titanium Backup, otherwise really not needed you expose yourself to vulnerabilities.
Root and XDA = Development! Rock on ???
Root is not just for mods. On my Pixel 3Xl, I tweak my kernel with FK manager to get better battery, more efficient memory usage and better CPU rendering. It's also nice to use apps like 3minit battery mod, system-wide Adaway, Titanium Backup and many others. While Samsung has improved on ways to Mod parts of it's phones, these mods are not available systemwide in 3rd party apps. For me, root is essential.
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Root is not just for mods. On my Pixel 3Xl, I tweak my kernel with FK manager to get better battery, more efficient memory usage and better CPU rendering. It's also nice to use apps like 3minit battery mod, system-wide Adaway, Titanium Backup and many others. While Samsung has improved on ways to Mod parts of it's phones, these mods are not available systemwide in 3rd party apps. For me, root is essential.
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I have been here for the past 8 years my old acct somehow got hacked..and all the phones I have had were possible to be rooted, including s7, s8, s9, note 4, etc..For someone to say never hasn't been on here enough although Exynos is way easier to root than snapdragons but is it possible? of course, can it happen? in a couple months. In today's society you don't really need to root your phone as companies are making their phones fully customizable
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Root is not just for mods. On my Pixel 3Xl, I tweak my kernel with FK manager to get better battery, more efficient memory usage and better CPU rendering. It's also nice to use apps like 3minit battery mod, system-wide Adaway, Titanium Backup and many others. While Samsung has improved on ways to Mod parts of it's phones, these mods are not available systemwide in 3rd party apps. For me, root is essential.
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Eudeferrer took the words right off my keyboard. His points are exactly why I have always rooted. And besides all of the vital things Eudeferrer mentioned above, for you guys who think we don't need to root anymore, please explain to me how to put the 1600 fonts file, I normally use, on my new S10+. Because it was as simple as can be on my rooted S7 edge. But can't find a way to put these fonts on my S10+. And I absolutely hate the few fonts that Samsung ALLOWS us to use. Seems really stupid, that we pay over a $1000 for a device, and they limit what we can put on them... Also, I'm tired of having ads pop up on my phone, not in my browser, but right on my phone!!!!! This NEVER happens to rooted devices. Which the underlying MOST important reason to root is TOTAL CONTROL OF OUR DEVICES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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eudeferrer took the words right off my keyboard. His points are exactly why i have always rooted. And besides all of the vital things eudeferrer mentioned above, for you guys who think we don't need to root anymore, please explain to me how to put the 1600 fonts file, i normally use, on my new s10+. Because it was as simple as can be on my rooted s7 edge. But can't find a way to put these fonts on my s10+. And i absolutely hate the few fonts that samsung allows us to use. Seems really stupid, that we pay over a $1000 for a device, and they limit what we can put on them... Also, i'm tired of having ads pop up on my phone, not in my browser, but right on my phone!!!!! This never happens to rooted devices. Which the underlying most important reason to root is total control of our devices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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for the root!!! No root = no smartphone!
Eudeferrer said:
Root is not just for mods. On my Pixel 3Xl, I tweak my kernel with FK manager to get better battery, more efficient memory usage and better CPU rendering. It's also nice to use apps like 3minit battery mod, system-wide Adaway, Titanium Backup and many others. While Samsung has improved on ways to Mod parts of it's phones, these mods are not available systemwide in 3rd party apps. For me, root is essential.
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Eudeferrer took the words right off my keyboard. His points are exactly why I have always rooted. And besides all of the vital things Eudeferrer mentioned above, for you guys who think we don't need to root anymore, please explain to me how to put the 1600 fonts file, I normally use, on my new S10+. Because it was as simple as can be on my rooted S7 edge. But can't find a way to put these fonts on my S10+. And I absolutely hate the few fonts that Samsung ALLOWS us to use. Seems really stupid, that we pay over a $1000 for a device, and they limit what we can put on them... Also, I'm tired of having ads pop up on my phone, not in my browser, but right on my phone!!!!! This NEVER happens to rooted devices. Which the underlying MOST important reason to root is TOTAL CONTROL OF OUR DEVICES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It all comes down to preferences. Only reason why our phones doesn't come out of the box rooted is because it’s an inherent security risk..I have never had any issues with the battery not lasting long enough, low on memory, cpu overheating and there goes the saying..don't fix what isn't broken..As for backups? In today's phone standards backup is stored in apple's icloud or google's server, no need to use a 3rd party app. As for ads and custom status bar? you don't need to have your phone rooted for these. There are plenty of modded apps floating around that disables the ads. Don't get me wrong, I used to be a flashaholic back in the days when I had the htc hd, nexus 4, using NRGZ28's energy roms, there was just a point that I really didn't need to do all that. It is time consuming. Rooting android just isn't worth it anymore. Back in the day rooting android was almost a must in order to get advanced functionality out of your phone but times have changed. One thing I can say is that a lot of things has changed throughout the years and a lot of people lost interest in rooting their phones and have left this website. Look at the pixel 2, 3 xl forums and now compare them to the nexus 4 and 5 forums. You will see the difference..
I beg to disagree with you. This is the same excuse I often see people giving when they are stuck on a device that can't be rooted. They become complacent. The bottom line is, YOU pay for your phone. It should be YOUR choice to root or not. It's YOUR device not theirs. Take the inherent risk if you want to, or not. Everyone who roots understand this risk and takes it willingly. We are not in a communist country to have someone (Samsung or Phone company) tell you how your phone has to look or what you can do with it (as long as it's legal and not hurting others). It's this brain-washing nonsense that never makes sense to me. Android backups on Google cloud DO NOT save data for most apps. For someone like me with over 200 apps installed, this is a pain every time you get a new phone. It's either sit there for hours and log in individually to every app or run Titanium Backup and in 15 minutes you are done. Don't but hit me over the head, but to me the choice is obvious and more than clear. Perhaps if Android ever evolves to there point where you can control these things on your end, then root will truly be unnecessary.
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I've been running rooted Android phones since the HTC HD2, even ran custom ROMs on the T-Mobile Dash before Android existed. The S10e is by far the closest thing to a non-rooted phone I could live with. I would agree that the urgency for root is less than it used to be, but is still very much needed for many of us. I gave the SD855 version a chance, but after a week as my daily driver, I'm returning it & reverting back to my rooted S7. Once the new Exynos models get stable TWRP/root/etc., I'll pick up the G970F, but despite the improvements over three years, I still prefer my rooted S7 to a stock S10e.
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I beg to disagree with you. This is the same excuse I often see people giving when they are stuck on a device that can't be rooted. They become complacent. The bottom line is, YOU pay for your phone. It should be YOUR choice to root or not. It's YOUR device not theirs. Take the inherent risk if you want to, or not. Everyone who roots understand this risk and takes it willingly. We are not in a communist country to have someone (Samsung or Phone company) tell you how your phone has to look or what you can do with it (as long as it's legal and not hurting others). It's this brain-washing nonsense that never makes sense to me. Android backups on Google cloud DO NOT save data for most apps. For someone like me with over 200 apps installed, this is a pain every time you get a new phone. It's either sit there for hours and log in individually to every app or run Titanium Backup and in 15 minutes you are done. Don't but hit me over the head, but to me the choice is obvious and more than clear. Perhaps if Android ever evolves to there point where you can control these things on your end, then root will truly be unnecessary.
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Agreed! Another valuable reason for having the option to root is "freedom" - e.g. you don't have to rely on the phone/OS provider to store all your private data on their backup repository (however incomplete the data they store might be) and hold you ransom because they have what you need, and could have stored locally on your own device. I still haven't been able to fully restore my apps since changing from a Pixel 2XL to a S10+.
10thDmenxn said:
Eudeferrer took the words right off my keyboard. His points are exactly why I have always rooted. And besides all of the vital things Eudeferrer mentioned above, for you guys who think we don't need to root anymore, please explain to me how to put the 1600 fonts file, I normally use, on my new S10+. Because it was as simple as can be on my rooted S7 edge. But can't find a way to put these fonts on my S10+. And I absolutely hate the few fonts that Samsung ALLOWS us to use. Seems really stupid, that we pay over a $1000 for a device, and they limit what we can put on them... Also, I'm tired of having ads pop up on my phone, not in my browser, but right on my phone!!!!! This NEVER happens to rooted devices. Which the underlying MOST important reason to root is TOTAL CONTROL OF OUR DEVICES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What ads? there's no completely random ads like on Xiaomi's "YOUR PHONE IS VIRUS PLS SCAN" if you see any sort of advertising in Samsung apps it's because you agreed to it, go back and opt out of marketing information.
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It all comes down to preferences. Only reason why our phones doesn't come out of the box rooted is because it’s an inherent security risk..I have never had any issues with the battery not lasting long enough, low on memory, cpu overheating and there goes the saying..don't fix what isn't broken..As for backups? In today's phone standards backup is stored in apple's icloud or google's server, no need to use a 3rd party app. As for ads and custom status bar? you don't need to have your phone rooted for these. There are plenty of modded apps floating around that disables the ads. Don't get me wrong, I used to be a flashaholic back in the days when I had the htc hd, nexus 4, using NRGZ28's energy roms, there was just a point that I really didn't need to do all that. It is time consuming. Rooting android just isn't worth it anymore. Back in the day rooting android was almost a must in order to get advanced functionality out of your phone but times have changed. One thing I can say is that a lot of things has changed throughout the years and a lot of people lost interest in rooting their phones and have left this website. Look at the pixel 2, 3 xl forums and now compare them to the nexus 4 and 5 forums. You will see the difference..
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Man, sorry to be a ****, but you are just confused. I've been rooting phones for a very long time, and I have NEVER suffered any security problems. Rooting is NOT an inherent security risk. That is some crap that the manufacturers made up, and the sheep follow their instructions and believe everything they say. And while you must be some ridiculous aberration, MOST people have had terrible problems with battery life, lagging and the such. That's why they rooted! To be able to control the processor, gpu and memory. And why would you depend on the backup of Google or CRapple??? They are ALWAYS crap, and never give you back your setup. AND THERE ARE NOT PLENTY OF NON-ROOT APPS WHICH DISABLE ADS. There are plenty of "BROWSER" apps which help with ads. But what about the ads popping up on the phone itself??? NONE!!! And I see you completely ignored my question about FONTS!!! How the hell do I pay over a $1,000.00 dollars for a device, and THEY DICTATE TO ME WHAT FONT I CAN USE????? We own the phones, not them. So Rooting IS still worth it, and a much better situation than having a non-rooted phone. NO non-rooted app allows you to customize your device, or gives you the control over your device the way rooting it does. Being able to put any one of 1600 fonts on my device, USING TITANIUM BACKUP TO EXECUTE AN EXACT BACKUP OF MY SYSTEM, changing the color of ANYTHING I care to, getting rid of ANY app I don't want on the phone, being able to tweak the hardware to MY satisfaction and having system wide Adaway that works flawlessly are just a few of the reasons to root your device. And if you can't see this, than just get used to saying, "bahhhh bahhhh". Because you've joined the flock of the GIANT CORPORATION!!!
I'm hoping someone can give me the general consensus on whether flashing ROMS for this device vs staying on stock is best. I'm not currently up on the state of Samsung bloatware, if it's gotten better or worse. I found an open box at BB for $300. I'd say excellent condition. I'm getting it for my 12 year old daughter. I suppose the main concern is the general stability of flashing, say Lineage, and the lag that Samsung has, or at least used to have, as they age.
Thanks much!
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I'm hoping someone can give me the general consensus on whether flashing ROMS for this device vs staying on stock is best. I'm not currently up on the state of Samsung bloatware, if it's gotten better or worse. I found an open box at BB for $300. I'd say excellent condition. I'm getting it for my 12 year old daughter. I suppose the main concern is the general stability of flashing, say Lineage, and the lag that Samsung has, or at least used to have, as they age.
Thanks much!
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If I was going to use the tablet myself, I'd certainly flash a custom ROM and get root access. But for a 12yr old girl, I'd stay with stock and know she'd be getting the latest security updates. It's not like this was an 8 or 16gb tablet where getting rid of bloatware would be a major concern. It has plenty of storage and RAM to handle that. Just my two bits.
I only hand my son tablets / phones that can run custom ROMs (Lineage in particular). This way I can control what goes on them, what software, what he sees. I guess you could do similar things with a rooted stock device, but still. The other half of that is, most of the devices I give my son are old enough they aren't getting security updates from the manufacturers anymore. In those cases the only way to get security updates of any sort is to run custom ROMs.
Having rooted my tablet and also installed twrp I would certainly not do it for someone else to use
I would suggest buying package disabler pro and disabling all bloatware and Bixby.
When you use 'disable bloatware' on package disabler, it disables storage on sd card. So you just need to look through the disabled list and re-enable external storage.
Other than that small bug it is excellent.
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Having rooted my tablet and also installed twrp I would certainly not do it for someone else to use
I would suggest buying package disabler pro and disabling all bloatware and Bixby.
When you use 'disable bloatware' on package disabler, it disables storage on sd card. So you just need to look through the disabled list and re-enable external storage.
Other than that small bug it is excellent.
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Have you noticed a performance improvement? I see that it is slow for ordinary use such as social networks, the web and reading books.
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Have you noticed a performance improvement? I see that it is slow for ordinary use such as social networks, the web and reading books.
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I can't really say as I installed package disabler pro when I first had the tablet as I hate apps like bixby.
My tablet has always seemed plenty fast to me
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Not much bloatware on One UI.
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Have you noticed a performance improvement? I see that it is slow for ordinary use such as social networks, the web and reading books.
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I have read books with $29 dollar chinese knockoffs. How long does it take to turn a page? My very first tablet had an Antutu of about 900. This one about 185,000. I was still able to "surf the net" with that first one. They say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'm beginning to doubt that. I think it is in the MIND of the beholder. How anyone can consider this tablet slow for surfing or social networking, just blows my mind. "OH, but my latest and greatest iPad is just SOOO much better."
I can't remember having an Android device since my OG Droid that I didn't root and flash. I'm going to skip that for this S5e, for the first time. Everything I do with it these days, my head isn't bumping into it's 'ceiling', so to speak. My SM-T580 was a different story (thank goodness for @followmsi and @srgrussso among others), and custom paid off very well.
Then again, maybe I'm just getting old.:laugh: :highfive:
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I'm hoping someone can give me the general consensus on whether flashing ROMS for this device vs staying on stock is best. I'm not currently up on the state of Samsung bloatware, if it's gotten better or worse. I found an open box at BB for $300. I'd say excellent condition. I'm getting it for my 12 year old daughter. I suppose the main concern is the general stability of flashing, say Lineage, and the lag that Samsung has, or at least used to have, as they age.
Thanks much!
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I have the Verizon LTE version and even with the Verizon preinstalled apps it doesn't take up a lot of space. I have the 64GB version and I had PLENTY of space for all of my apps. I put a 512GB microSD card in it so I don't have any space issues.
I rooted the SM-T725 few months ago when i got it but this was the 3rd time i had problems booting up and the twrp backup didn't work this time so i just cleaned it and i use stock now and i removed bloatware with ADB. I use only open source software no more google. But that just my way, if you want to root go with it but if its just to remove bloatware just use ADB.
Android 10 coming this june/july and probably android 11 will come to this tablet too because samsung does 2 major android updates to the device they release. If they don't you can unlock the bootloader and install android 11 in the future if a developer make it of course but i doubt it because galaxy tab s6 lite is coming soon so i don't know the future of this tablet.
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OhioYJ said:
I only hand my son tablets / phones that can run custom ROMs (Lineage in particular). This way I can control what goes on them, what software, what he sees. I guess you could do similar things with a rooted stock device, but still. The other half of that is, most of the devices I give my son are old enough they aren't getting security updates from the manufacturers anymore. In those cases the only way to get security updates of any sort is to run custom ROMs.
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Just got this SM-T720 & was planning on putting Lineage 17.1 (OFFICIAL) on it.
Got the firmware, Magisk, TWRP all downloaded.
But on TWRP's site it says you have to root before installing a "rooted TWRP" image?
What's with this?
Not asking for a full tutorial but seriously TWRP can't just be flashed in Odin then vbmeta multi-
disabler, WIPE, then flash ROM + Magisk?
Any help will be greatly appreciated. My posts elsewhere are days old & no replies....
zach
I just got this tablet yesterday. I've had several previous Android tablets and phones and I've always rooted them. So far, I haven't run into anything that makes me want to root this one. I was pleasantly surprised to find that there is a battery protection setting that allows you to limit charging to 85%. Normally, you have too root to do that. I may find a need to root somewhere down the road, but right now I'm hoping to get by with stock and unroofed.
Can you keep dex on other ROMs?
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Just got this SM-T720 & was planning on putting Lineage 17.1 (OFFICIAL) on it.
Got the firmware, Magisk, TWRP all downloaded
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I've done it a few times and I would recommend following the maintainers instructions, LuK1337's Instructions . Dont skip anything, dont add anything, dont wipe anything that isnt listed, follow them exactly.
This tablet is picky. Magisk can be flashed in TWRP, but from what Ive found many modules can't, they will make the tablet fail to boot. Most modules can only be flashed in Magisk. My recommendation would be to get it booting before adding modules or even Magisk for that matter.
I'm using mine as stock, and this seems plenty fast for the 2 weeks I've owned it. Slow to read books? That sounds like an app problem - moon reader on a 2018 Fire HD 8 didn't have a problem reading books. How slow is the Fire 8? If I was in plex, hit the home button, and started netflix it was about 10 seconds from the press of the home button until netflix was responsive.
Besides, do you really want to have to fix your kid's devices when they inevitably have a problem?
**Edit** I also have a question. Are there any security issues when flashing roms or rooting on this like with the phones with KNoX and not being able to use secure folder and such? Im guessing if I flash a ROM I'd also be losing access to this right? (samsung apps and secure folder) Thank you!
Ughh Im kind of regretting buying this tablet now..did I make a mistake? From what Ive seen on here, it sounds like its best not to root it. Ive found that on some newer devices, irts best not to root them to avoid unnecessary problems because some just dont work well with root and magisk, especially if a lot of the modules arent going to work. I mean I dont really have any reason to root this except for not being able to use / change the themes. I cant believe they dont have the theme store on this tablet! I'm so bummed thats one of the good things about samsung phone that I miss.