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Don't worry, NRGZ28 has no plans to retire yet (I hope ). This thread may get closed or may only get a few replies, but your feedback is appreciated if you would be kind enough to post a few words...
It's not one of the usual "which ROM should I choose threads". I'm experienced here enough not to annoy you all that much!
The problem is that since I flashed my first EnergyROM on my Diamond or TP (can't remember which), I can't divert from them. Great for NRGZ28...that's obviously the desired effect, but I see so many other ROM threads in these fora, and it's obvious so many people choose them over EnergyROMs for one reason or another. Basically, I like the fact that they look great and come "fully-loaded", and a big thing for me is that the latest WM build (currently 23563) is used to cook from. A "stock" or "lite" ROM isn't much good to me as I would just fill it with all the same stuff anyway, only not being cooked in it probably wouldn't all work together so well.
What I'm asking for is what others are using instead of EnergyROM and why.
What I'm most worried about is that I'm so stuck on EnergyROMs that I might be missing something else. I recognise completely that all of the ROM chefs are super talented in what they do and I wouldn't know where to begin in cooking myself. I mean I like to think that I'm pretty well techie-minded, but the thought of ROM cooking hurts my head! All those XIP and SYS and pagepools, lua script & manila files, all the ExtROM stuff that gets constantly updated that I wouldn't be able to get hold of, not being in the right circles. I just can't bring myself to try because I know it could always be better.
But also, I don't like to constantly flash all the time, once a week is enough I think and this is what keeps me from testing other ROMs.
Thanks for reading and I hope I didn't just waste 2 minutes of your life and a few kilobytes on the xda server! I'm sure there are more "EnergyROM addicts" out that are wondering if anything else compares.
Whatever ROM you choose you will be missing something. The right question is:
Can I live without that feature/application/tweak/theme/etc?
Choosing custom ROM over stock has its obvious advantages. Using stock has its advantages also: warranty is not violated, you have support from manufacturer etc.
Custom ROMs are different story. They are made by individuals according to their taste: from eye-candy (or lack of it) to choice of apps and tweaks.
EnergyROMs have nice eye-candy, they are nicely optimized with good app choices. There are ROMs that are faster. There are ROMs that are close to stock look, so you can modify it according to your own taste. There are ROMs with no additional apps so you can install exactly what you need. Some chiefs refresh their ROMs more frequently than NRGZ28, so you get new build faster.
Personally, I stick to the "good old" 21XXX builds and flash only when there is important update in newer build. Something like improvement in speed or some feature that is important to me (battery life, newer Office build, or fix for something that was not working as it should).
EnergyROMs are used by many so bugs and problems are found much faster and, consequently, fixed faster.
I have tried almost all other ROMs but for some reason, EnergyROM on HD2 presents for me, personally, perfect combination of looks, features, stability and battery life.
You make some very valid points...am I right in considering you an EnergyROM addict too?
In fact all of what you have said is completely my way of thinking. Although I use the 23XXX builds. For some reason I have some (un)healthy compulsion to have the latest of everything, which is one of the main reasons I use EnergyROM in the 1st place (and I also why I bought a HD2 when I had a perfectly good TP2, much to my wife's dismay!
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I couldn't go back to having the "Start" and "X" buttons at the top. That's SO 4 months ago!
Anyone else wanna throw anything in?
Admire al chefs but..
Yes, I admit I have a NRG addiction as well.....
I do try other chef's cooking as well, especially because NRG takes the time to release new builds, and others come out with theirs earlier. I find myself time after time going back to his, either 'downgrading' or flash one of his as soon as they come out.
What other ROMs I try?
I would categorize them like this:
1. Eye candy - Some chefs here are extremely talented is combining their own looks, or co-operating with people with high skills of developing beautiful looking screens.
2. Performance - I always look for a ROM that will have no lag , be memory efficient (not that the HD2 lacks any) , and one without bloating.
I think the appeal NRG ROMS has on me (at least) is the combination of the Italian beauty (see the cars they make) and the German precision. On top NRG is here in the US, and it gives him another advantage for me. Not sure if he is on AT&T or not, but until now any recommendation he has (like going back to 2.07 radio) was a great advice.
I try from time to time Miri's , Tom Codon's , IT's (sorry, not on this forum any more, but still a great chef) and Dutty's, even some others. All are great piece of work, and I do want to take the opportunity and thank all of them, but as stated - NRG's are always the ones I finally keep on my phone, and dare travel with..
i think there are some fundamental differences in chefs way of thinking.
I for one (and i know a few others who have stated as much) are cooking primarily for ourselves. we just choose to share the work. I will listen to requests, and if it is valid that it gets taken care of. Of course bugs affect everyone, so they take a priority.
Many other Chefs seem to "cook for the masses" and therefore appeal to a wider audience.
I dont think it is any any way fair to consider one chef over another by something as simple as post count on their rom thread (not saying you do this its just an observation).
If you feel comfortable with a style of rom, there is nothing wrong with sticking to it. but as you say, it never hurts to look, and so you have.
Going back time and again to one chef is more a compliment to that person, and nothing to be concerned over.
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But also, I don't like to constantly flash all the time, once a week is enough I think and this is what keeps me from testing other ROMs.
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I flash every morning (atleast)...sometimes even before taking a crap
Anybody knows any bone diseases I may end up with, please warn me !
On the better side of the thread intention , I for one personally end up with a Clean rom with no extra apps so I can make it my 'own'.
Always two sides to a coin... or many sides to a paper note if you fold it
I just wanted to get a feel/consensus on peoples opinion of the third party rom scene for the EVO. I started my XDA days back with a tilt, and have been loyal to HTC since then.
The EVO is simply the best phone out there at the moment, IMO. But the roms seem to be very lacking in actual substance and it's a bit disappointing.
Almost every rom I've looked at here has been so customized and themed they are really just eyesores. It was normal on all my other devices to have some of the roms that were being produced be like this, but not all. I've been really impressed in the past with HTC roms. Dutty is one of my favorites.
The only 2 current exceptions I've found are CM and Fresh, and since some of us refuse to use sense, it really only leaves one choice.
CM is awesome, and the work that goes into it is really really amazing. There isn't a bunch of customization to the UI, it's left up to you what you want to do for how your phone looks. It's a rock solid foundation to build upon, and it would be awesome to see more roms in that form.
Thoughts? Am I missing something?
This is the wrong section, the General section would be the appropriate section for this.
this should be in general, but i agree it seems that lots of roms out there are just customizations of existing roms, a color change here and there. There really isnt anything major to differentiate between sense roms, except for 3 or 4 big ones, and then there is CM rom, and the roms based of CM seem like just themed version of CM, but who knows i mean im not a developer, maybe theres only so much one can do as far as development.
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The EVO is simply the best phone out there at the moment, IMO. But the roms seem to be very lacking in actual substance and it's a bit disappointing.
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Better get started developing.
What else do you want the ROM's out there to do?:
OC: Check
Undervolt: Check
AOSP Builds: Check
Open Source 4G: Check
De-odex: Check
Wide Variety of Themes: Check
Open Source FM Radio: Check
Wireless Tether: Check
Wired Tether: Check
Gingerbread: Check
AND THE LIST GOES ON...
What I'm trying to say is, unless your speaking specifically about HDMI, there's really not a lot left to be desired that can't be had from these phones until Honeycomb hits.
I mean, CM even supports SIP accounts natively...among the millions of other small details that are so amazing.
Even DLNA can be had through a simple app...what's left for you to want so badly that your phone cannot do already?
My point is, is that most devs are not going start over from scratch just for the heck of it, when something so close to optimum potential has already been reached.
Sent from my 4G-Toting, Lightning Smoking, Gingerfied, Cyanogenmodded EVO: Please stand back!
Itotally disagree. I mean, some, yeah, you're right, but look at the mods done to the more popular roms. Not just theming but tweaks, custome apps, etc.
What more do you want form a ROM?
And while, true, some people are married to CM, some are more into Senseui, some Miui.
Everyone has different tastes, and from what I se eon here, there's something for just about everyone.
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As per your questions, devs make roms based on their personal taste and, in many cases, general feedback from the users. There are many plain, stock rooted roms out there, and many tutorials in case you want to make your own as well. Also, you can easily theme any rom to your liking. I hope this answers your concern.
i think the ROM's on the evo are pretty strong. My criteria is, do the majority if not all ROM's improve upon stock? Yes. Do the majority if not all the dev's support their ROM's and upgrade in a timely manner? Yes Do the majority if not all the dev's have themes/mods available for their ROMS? Yes. Are there more than one style of ROM's to choose? YES 1. Sense 2. AOSP - MIUI 3. AOSP - CM 4. AOSP - Liquid metal
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I just wanted to get a feel/consensus on peoples opinion of the third party rom scene for the EVO. I started my XDA days back with a tilt, and have been loyal to HTC since then.
The EVO is simply the best phone out there at the moment, IMO. But the roms seem to be very lacking in actual substance and it's a bit disappointing.
Almost every rom I've looked at here has been so customized and themed they are really just eyesores. It was normal on all my other devices to have some of the roms that were being produced be like this, but not all. I've been really impressed in the past with HTC roms. Dutty is one of my favorites.
The only 2 current exceptions I've found are CM and Fresh, and since some of us refuse to use sense, it really only leaves one choice.
CM is awesome, and the work that goes into it is really really amazing. There isn't a bunch of customization to the UI, it's left up to you what you want to do for how your phone looks. It's a rock solid foundation to build upon, and it would be awesome to see more roms in that form.
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There are way more. Click my signature and you'll see
my EVO is way cooler than yours
Except your link is broken...
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Yes. MIUI.
the OP ... is expectiong way too much....
you do relize for most.. this is a good little hobby..
so is done around free time...
you want more... you do it! I dont have the skills to even try.
I do appreciate the ones that can... and do.
there are a lot of phones out in the market. and not all phones even have a dev community.. and if they do, it aint that big.
so there are different levels of dev support from phone to phone.
EVO, is way up there in the level of quality devs and community support.
Fixed my sig, forgot i changed the link. But there are a Sh*t ton of choices, my count is at 144 thus far
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+1... this.
I've had 4 Android phones:
Evo
G2
MyTouch 3g Slide
Moto Cliq
This forum has more roms, kernels, mods, themes, etc than all 3 of my prior phones combined. Every time I hit the dev section I'm a kid in the candy store. There's fully functioning roms that work with everything and a few that I'm excited to see get better, like MIUI getting 4g.
There's very few phones out there with this much dev support, my friend has an LG vortex. Go find the LG vortex section of the forums. They don't exist.
My point, you have to do some digging but there's something here for everyone. If there isn't, make it! We could always use another dev to try to topple the big dogs.
Hi, at the risk of starting a massive flame war, please dont, I'm just after information...
Being that the S2 stock ROM is already pretty good and we already have a number of decent ROM alternatives I am wonder what else CYANOGEN is going to bring to the party.
I have read all the spiel so I am not looking for the usual answers, what advantages exactly does it have, will it have, say over COGNITION when COGNITION Is fully working with video, games etc etc and has decent battery life. Doesn't have the CM7 messaging but I prefer K9 stock anyway.
I am also surprised that people are already using CM7 looking at the amount of DEV that still needs done.
I tried a CYANOGEN port on my old HD2 and I was left thinking what all the fuss was about, i'm probably missing something huge here, or CYANOGEN is really for advanced users or something.
Again, please keep this thread clean and calm
Please just go through the threads and read. It's all there. I won't rewrite the book. In short though, think a year from now. Cognition is based on stuff samsung released. What happens when samsung moves on? Cm7 will still be pushing the latest goodies.
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I'm not going to lie I never understood the hype of cyanogen rom. I have also tried with an hd2 and wasn't blew away and didn't see anything special. I think cyanogen mod is for people looking for aosp.
I have much respect for that team though because as far as I know there roms are built from ground up. Unlike most custom roms sgs2 have are really just themed stock roms with a couple tweaks.
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you should probably stop wasting space here and go to cyanogen's site and read what it is about. if it doesnt interest you after that you dont have to think about it ever again. no need for threads like this, it just makes you look bad because you obviously have not spent any time researching and educating yourself before asking this question.
Isn't Android reinventing the wheel? iPhone was here first, and Android is just duplicating iPhone functionality. Google should shut down the Android project immediately.
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i'm probably missing something huge here, or CYANOGEN is really for advanced users or something.
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Bingo!!! Some of us don't want to use crapware installed by the manufacturer who is really not a software expert, just a hardware expert, and want to come as close to the stock Android experience as possible. For me personally, things like hold volume button to skip to next song, switch between percentage battery and analog battery anytime you want, a very advanced OS theming engine which doesn't require you to flash anything to change the theme, always being on the bleeding edge of new Android releases/bugfixes etc. is the icing on top of the cake.
However, it's really about the excitement of checking the commit logs of the nightlies everyday to see what's new.
Yeah I never understood what the hype was all about either, don't get me wrong its a great aosp Rom and I give the devs a world of credit, but it feels like a number of things are just incomplete.
It has a few features that aren't found on most roms and runs quick as Hell, but if your looking for an in depth user friendly experience I would not say that this is the best for that as it lacks a lot of simple things you might be used to if your coming from a sense or some other kind of based rom
All I can really say is back yourself up and give it a try for a day or two and if you don't like it then just go back.
CM has only just come out, and is far from stable, and only really should be used if you are willing to help debug or want to live on the bleeding edge
We want CM for when samsung have abandoned us.
Its always good to have options!
Each rom,whether its a "themed" stock rom, or a ground up one like CM7 offers something different.
The obvious advantage has already been mentioned - once SGS2 goes EOL for Samsung, CM7 will continue to support newer versions of Android till as long as the (very) capable phone hardware can handle it.
There are improvements... for some... e.g. the native Samsung bluetooth stack doesn't work with Wiimotes... for instance... i believe CM7 and know MIUI does...
Its really a case of... pick and choose... no1 charges for these... try...as many... if you like one... say thanks to the Rom maker... and possibly a small donation!!!... and stick with it...
Thanks everyone, thats pretty much what I thought, nothing special compared to a good feature packed cooked ROM but very useful in the future when sammy stop updating, I just thought I was missing something huge the way people get excited about it.
Will stick with COG for now until CM7 is looking fairly complete and then give it s roll.
yeah its all about when samsung abandons the device. in addition, it also is about running a fully open source ROM on your phone. once the cyan rom gets stable, each night it will be updated with a change log, so gives you the ability to constantly be seeing the fixes to the software actually running on your phone. something you dont like? commit to the code, and it may get merged into the repo. its about having total control over the device you are using, seeing every little feature, the code for it, how it works, and ability to modify it if you want.
of course it also has some good features too. but the above is what i think the point of cyan is.
The X doesn't get nearly the love it deserves. It's still a perfectly good device with plenty of untapped potential.
So... what lead you to do that comment?
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So... what lead you to do that comment?
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Just a thought. No need to be snarky.
UbuntuBrandon said:
Just a thought. No need to be snarky.
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Hey, I'm chilled out, I thought you had a problem with a Moto X, such as a brick or something what you expected but it did not happen D:
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Hey, I'm chilled out, I thought you had a problem with a Moto X, such as a brick or something what you expected but it did not happen D:
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Just doesnt get as many people dev'ing for it as other flagships this year. yea its a little old now but still lol
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Just doesnt get as many people dev'ing for it as other flagships this year. yea its a little old now but still lol
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Cause there is no need to. If you switch away from stock, you lose everything, that is special about this phone. I am in love with active display.
Not sure why people crave for every next phone with EVEN MORE cpupower. Dualcore can do everything just fine and who cares if apps load 0,02sec faster o_0
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The X doesn't get nearly the love it deserves. It's still a perfectly good device with plenty of untapped potential.
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this topic has been posted several times over, with the same results. people, in general, love the phone how it is. the only benefits you will receive are through xposed. ROMs are basically non-existent (compared to some devices) although there is a kernel being developed.
my opinion: root/unlock, xpose/hack, done. the phone doesn't need any "help".
The OP is very correct. The Moto X did not receive nearly as much love as most other flagship phones. Now here is where the hate mail and complaining begins. Everyone says you don't need roms it breaks active display. WRONG run Eclipse or any other stock based rom it works fine. It is only broken on Aosp roms and they have their own active display so do some homework. And everyone feels like Xposed and gravity box is the best thing in the world. It hack and slashes your framework. I would prefer to have a dev hard code in the mods so it is much cleaner. But hey I am no dev so everyone will ignore this and continue saying the X does not need anything but stock and xposed and gravity. I am glad some are happy with that.
I'm with Travis. Stock (blur?) Based Roms are better than stock. I'm no fan of xposed either. Adding another framework to Android seems so... TouchPissy (twframework-res.apk anyone?).
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The OP is very correct. The Moto X did not receive nearly as much love as most other flagship phones. Now here is where the hate mail and complaining begins. Everyone says you don't need roms it breaks active display. WRONG run Eclipse or any other stock based rom it works fine. It is only broken on Aosp roms and they have their own active display so do some homework. And everyone feels like Xposed and gravity box is the best thing in the world. It hack and slashes your framework. I would prefer to have a dev hard code in the mods so it is much cleaner. But hey I am no dev so everyone will ignore this and continue saying the X does not need anything but stock and xposed and gravity. I am glad some are happy with that.
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Sure they have an app that works like active display but doesn't use the lowpower-chip that the stock app is using. So your juice will go out the window using it cause for it to work like active display, it has to monitor the sensors, preventing deep sleep.
What's the point in developing, if you can't use AOSP? I know there are stock-based roms, but I wouldn't call that developement. That are merely stripped stockroms with added apps and some tweaks. I like a good AOSP-rom as much as the next guy though. It's a pain to make it work like Slim does and I'd rather just install Slimkat but as I said, I'd hate to lose active display.
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Sure they have an app that works like active display but doesn't use the lowpower-chip that the stock app is using. So your juice will go out the window using it cause for it to work like active display, it has to monitor the sensors, preventing deep sleep.
What's the point in developing, if you can't use AOSP? I know there are stock-based roms, but I wouldn't call that developement. That are merely stripped stockroms with added apps and some tweaks. I like a good AOSP-rom as much as the next guy though. It's a pain to make it work like Slim does and I'd rather just install Slimkat but as I said, I'd hate to lose active display.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. I recommend looking into Eclipse. Highly modified stock based with his own coding for many features. Active display is not lost. And for the record I don't run aosp on this device but love aosp on other devices. But saying a stock based ROM is not developing then you are way out of line!
Do yourself a favor just run stock with xposed lol
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You have no idea what you are talking about. I recommend looking into Eclipse. Highly modified stock based with his own coding for many features. Active display is not lost. And for the record I don't run aosp on this device but love aosp on other devices. But saying a stock based ROM is not developing then you are way out of line!
Do yourself a favor just run stock with xposed lol
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I am no developer too and what I said came from my impression of some glances through the threads. But like I said, I am not able to judge and appologize if I oversteped. Didn't mean to offend.
Maybe many people are held back because of the risks involved in flashing with the Moto X. I own a Nexus 7 and a Defy and never was it such a hassle. Like you can't downgrade or you'll brick your phone and stuff. I guess devs only develop either for the phones they own or phones, that have a high demand for customroms. Neither of which are true with the Moto X I think.
Well developing "stock-based" roms IS indeed development, but it is probably not "original development" based on the XDA documentation. Developing an AOSP-based rom (as the original maintainer and not a derivative of his/her work) would be considered "original development".
The statement that the AOSP-compatible variant of Active Display does not use the "low voltage core" and hence results in higher battery usage than stock active display is correct.
Regardless, all DEVs, whether contributing "development" or "original development" deserve our respect and gratitude. Without them, XDA could not exist.
If anyone wants to read the official clarification between development and original development, see here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/orig-development/original-development-t2456997
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Well developing "stock-based" roms IS indeed development, but it is probably not "original development" based on the XDA documentation. Developing an AOSP-based rom (as the original maintainer and not a derivative of his/her work) would be considered "original development".
The statement that the AOSP-compatible variant of Active Display does not use the "low voltage core" and hence results in higher battery usage than stock active display is correct.
Regardless, all DEVs, whether contributing "development" or "original development" deserve our respect and gratitude. Without them, XDA could not exist.
If anyone wants to read the official clarification between development and original development, see here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/orig-development/original-development-t2456997
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This is correct. But it is also correct that the X didn't get much love from the developer community. That's probably because it is so stock-based. There was very little, at the time of it's release, that people would have wanted other than the stock features.
I had a Samsung Epic 4g before this phone, and it had development even 2 years after it's release. I was running the latest Cyanogenmod 11 on the device even though it was so out of date.
The Moto X is a great phone and yes, it deserves more love, but it's hard to get that when the device is so 'stock' that only a minority of people actually want other options like Xposed, Custom ROMs, etc.
Any Samsung device on the other hand, plenty of people don't like TouchWiz so the developers get right on getting to back to stock android.
Who cares about ROM's or rooting when the phone allows you to do everything you need.
I really don't feel the urge to root mine at all. It does everything I need it to.
I really love the battery life and cool features like Active Display. I always use Touchless Control when I'm in the shower to do stuff lol, also when I'm driving.
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Who cares about ROM's or rooting when the phone allows you to do everything you need.
I really don't feel the urge to root mine at all. It does everything I need it to.
I really love the battery life and cool features like Active Display. I always use Touchless Control when I'm in the shower to do stuff lol, also when I'm driving.
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I am glad you are so happy with your phone. Just because you don't have any needs for anything other than stock does not mean others feel the same way.
Like what??
I seriously can't even think of what else I'd want in a smart phone.
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Like what??
I seriously can't even think of what else I'd want in a smart phone.
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If you have no idea why you would need root or have a custom rom then you should just stay stock. Everyone uses their phones different. The reasons why I bought a dev edition is too long to list. The moto X is a good device stock. But that does not mean that it can not be improved.
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Like what??
I seriously can't even think of what else I'd want in a smart phone.
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The reason most people on this site buy android over apple.
The sheer fact that they can put their own spice on the device and truly make it an experience they love.
Just simple economics, that's why android has such a greater global marketshare of smartphones.
Because the user experience is just hands down better and less locked down, like apple.
And the more you can do with an open source architecture, the "better"
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UbuntuBrandon said:
The X doesn't get nearly the love it deserves. It's still a perfectly good device with plenty of untapped potential.
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Hello,
Indeed, the comment you have posted is right. If you compare Moto X with the other brand like Samsung and Sony then the features and quality in every brand we can see somewhere quite similar. And Moto X has its own name and originality to be in market.
Anybody know of a list of features that do not work on custom ROMs compared to stock TouchWiz?
From the top of my head there are things like:
HDR
60 fps
burst mode
one-handed operations
Air Gesture
...and why are theses issues never listed in OP under "Known issues"?
I don't want to start a discussion which firmware is better, I'm just curious!
Hello,
These are features of stock and stock-based custom ROMs only, CM/CM-based ROMs don't have them since aren't a part of AOSP or CM itself. So, aren't issues.
HDR works also in CM ROMs
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Hello,
These are features of stock and stock-based custom ROMs only, CM/CM-based ROMs don't have them since aren't a part of AOSP or CM itself. So, aren't issues.
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I think, only because Android doesn't support certain features that shouldn't mean that they are not missing if they could be there right? The user should be able to decide if a switch to a custom firmware is worth it.
But I realize it is difficult to decide which functions could be covered by third-party-apps and which ones are not...
HDR works also in CM ROMs
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HDR is working for you? I tried CM and SlimKat and it is not working with Google Camera (but I just found out it works with CM stock camera app). Thanks.
However, the main question is unanswered!
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I think, only because Android doesn't support certain features that shouldn't mean that they are not missing if they could be there right? The user should be able to decide if a switch to a custom firmware is worth it.
But I realize it is difficult to decide which functions could be covered by third-party-apps and which ones are not...
HDR is working for you? I tried CM and SlimKat and it is not working with Google Camera (but I just found out it works with CM stock camera app). Thanks.
However, the main question is unanswered!
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With your main question you mean why they are not listed under known issues?
It's because they are not issues. Developers choose to not support it or have simply more important things to code.
Users still can decide if a custom rom is worth it. If they don't want to try the rom, then they are simply not suited for custom roms.
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With your main question you mean why they are not listed under known issues?
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Thanks but my main question is in the thread title of course: "Is there a list of missing features in custom ROMs" (for the SGS4).
babbeling and generalizing
Lennyz1988 said:
Users still can decide if a custom rom is worth it. If they don't want to try the rom, then they are simply not suited for custom roms.
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I use custom roms for 6 years or so (and love it )but still don't get the concept of: "You have to try it or your not worthy."
If every human had to try everything for himself without trusting the experience of others, mankind would still be inventing the wheel.
We would have to try every single kernel out there and be knowledgable enough to be able to compare them. We would have to test every single ROM out there to be able to make a decision.
When I want to buy, say a dishwasher, I wouldn't test all of them but compare the specs, right? and maybe I'd look for tests and recommendations. I forgot where I wanted to go with this...
...but I think it is not out of the world to ask for a feature comparison so users would be able to do a sane product decision.
(Don't get me wrong: I do not expect it from the devs, that do all this for free, but I would recommend them to do it to advertise their product if they want to spread it. I just don't understand why everyone who asks for some recommendation will be seen as lazy.)
measel said:
I use custom roms for 6 years or so (and love it )but still don't get the concept of: "You have to try it or your not worthy."
If every human had to try everything for himself without trusting the experience of others, mankind would still be inventing the wheel.
We would have to try every single kernel out there and be knowledgable enough to be able to compare them. We would have to test every single ROM out there to be able to make a decision.
When I want to buy, say a dishwasher, I wouldn't test all of them but compare the specs, right? and maybe I'd look for tests and recommendations. I forgot where I wanted to go with this...
...but I think it is not out of the world to ask for a feature comparison so users would be able to do a sane product decision.
(Don't get me wrong: I do not expect it from the devs, that do all this for free, but I would recommend them to do it to advertise their product if they want to spread it. I just don't understand why everyone who asks for some recommendation will be seen as lazy.)
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I understand what you mean but I think you are missing the point.
I remember when Cyanogenmod was ported to the Galaxy S2. It was a big thing to get it to work on that device. The first post from a member was: "What's not working?". The developer replied: "Is that why you are here for?" Using custom roms is not about things that are missing, it is about things that work. People put a lot of work into it and then it's never nice to hear people about things that don't work. Especially with asop roms, everything has to be coded from scratch. It takes time to finish the rom and perhaps the rom will never be finished.
I think that's my biggest objection. Instead of focussing on the things that don't work, you should focus on the things that work.
Lennyz1988 said:
I understand what you mean but I think you are missing the point.
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Thank you for your opinion.
People put a lot of work into it and then it's never nice to hear people about things that don't work.
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Well I deliberately did NOT ask in CM or SK threads for exactly that reason! I am grateful for all the developers work.
I think that's my biggest objection. Instead of focussing on the things that don't work, you should focus on the things that work.
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While your opinion is great, still, my question is valid. I bought an expensive piece of hardware and I am looking for the best [1] system. For that I need to know what I get, and what I do not get (at least compared to stock).
Comparisons never really fit but to paint a picture, Replicant is a ROM that has a great philosophy, but depending on the device model not even Wifi is working. That is a phone feature that I am not willing to miss, because I kinda paid for it, right? So my decision here is: I like the idea of privacy and I really want that, but I don't even need a privacy aware phone when it can't connect to the internet (I am exaggerating here.)
Back to my initial question: Is there a list of features that you will loose with custom roms compared to stock?
[1] best for me.